What Was Glennon-Over-RGIII Take Really Worth?
November 23rd, 2013
NFL.com, CBS Sports and others ran wild this week when noted NFL Films senior producer and film guru Greg Cosell compared the quarterback play of Mike Glennon and Robert Griffin, III, aka RGIII.
“Mike Glennon is so far more advanced than RG3 playing NFL quarterback that it’s not even close,” Cosell said during an appearance on WHFS-FM 98.7. “They shouldn’t even be in the same discussion.”
Joe shook his head.
Cosell, of course, is dialed into the film and decision-making and execution. That’s interesting and worthwhile, but that just doesn’t account for intangibles that make guys winners and, of course, the ability to produce on the ground. Joe remembers what RGIII did to the Bucs in Tampa last year. Through RGIII’s first seven NFL starts (Glennon has seven starts), he had 468 yards rushing with six touchdowns. Glennon can’t do such things. RGIII had passing stats similar to Glennon through those seven games, but a completion percentage over 70 percent.
Joe’s not taking anything away from Glennon’s development and progression, but at some point Joe’s got to put his foot down on stats and film and judge quarterbacks on wins and losses and playoff efforts.
Jimminy Christmas! Can we at least see Glennon beat a team with a winning record first before saying he’s more advanced than a guy now on surgically repaired knees who put a team on his back to the playoffs in his rookie year last season? Can we please see more from Glennon before writing off Johnny Football drafting a QB in 2014?
Yes, RGIII, like Russell Wilson and Colin Kaepernick, seems to have taken a significant step back after a great 2012. Only the Hall of Famers, the greats of the greats, do not. Glennon’s got a long way to go. Joe’s hopeful but can’t get caught up much yet in the Mike Glennon Mob mentality.
November 23rd, 2013 at 1:26 pm
Mike glennons passing numbers at the end of the year will be far superior to rg3’s at the end of his rookie year. His numbers this year will be much better than rg3s. Yards rushing holds no bearing on how good a QB can be. How many rushing yards do Peyton manning, Tom Brady, Eli manning, joe flacco, drew brees, Matt Ryan have at the end of the year? Elite QBs are generally not fragile rushing QBs like rg3. They are pocket passers. I wouldn’t trade glennon straight up for rg3 right now. That’s not an endorsement of glennon, but an indictment of rg3.
November 23rd, 2013 at 1:27 pm
I will cry if we draft the joke that is Johnny Football. Tampa doesn’t need a rookie gunslingin’ Doug Flutie (minus the deep ball touch though)
November 23rd, 2013 at 1:27 pm
Last year during the draft it seemed Cosell’s analysis on qb’s was the gospel as far as you were concerned Joe, now suddenly he doesn’t know jack sh!t? Make a choice here. Glennon is a much better traditional qb than Griffin, that’s obvious for anybody to see. Now, tell me which type of qb has won, well every Superbowl in the history of the game, running qb’s or the traditional guy who can sit in the pocket and make reads? You don’t actually need to answer, everybody already knows.
November 23rd, 2013 at 1:28 pm
Joe, I love Johnny Football as much as you do, and would love to see him land on the Bucs. But, if you are going to bring him up as much as you have already (and the draft is 5 months away!), can you at least bring yourself to mention in one of your posts that it is an almost certainty that if Greg Schiano is still here that Manziel will not be drafted by the team? Off the field issues and not being a Schiano man aside, you know as well as any that the coach prefers tall, pocket passers.
A lot of readers here (incorrectly/stupidly) take what you have to say as gospel, and you’re probably getting their hopes up.
November 23rd, 2013 at 1:30 pm
The problem with QB’s who can and like to run is that it opens them up to the distinct possibility of more injuries and more wear and tear on their bodies in general. While they are fun to watch it can be detrimental to their production in later years and even their longevity in the league. Having a good game managing pocket passing QB who can hand the ball off to good RB’s is fine with me.
November 23rd, 2013 at 1:38 pm
Joe’s not taking anything away from Glennon’s development and progression, but at some point Joe’s got to put his foot down on stats and film and judge quarterbacks on wins and losses and playoff efforts.
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So you think after 7 games and a 2 game win streak that its the proper time ot put your foot down? Lol
November 23rd, 2013 at 1:38 pm
I don’t want to draft Johnny football not because of Glennon but because Johnny football is too erratic
November 23rd, 2013 at 1:45 pm
As far as Glennon beating teams with a winning record, with a banged up secondary plus RB corp and largely, excluding Vjax, 2nd and 3rd string WR’s to throw to it’s really not fair to expect miracles from the kid. I’d like to see what he could do with 3 or 4 top flight receivers to throw to and all our running backs healthy. Until then we have to keep our expectations realistic.
November 23rd, 2013 at 2:03 pm
RGIII is Mike Vick part 2… injuries included.
November 23rd, 2013 at 2:10 pm
RG3 played in a gimmicky offense last year though and it’s showing this year. Teams can shut down those offenses once they plan for them.
Glennon isn’t doing anything that can be shut down with more tape on him. He’s just showing really good ability to move between the 1st and 2nd read and make a quick decision. Even guys like Peyton Manning didn’t have that in their rookie season. That’s something that won’t be shut down if he’s the starter next year. He’s just going to keep getting better and better at reading defenses and making decisions.
RG3 is still a bit behind in that regard. He has a nicer throw than Glennon, better mechanics, more accurate, better athlete, but he is just behind in the mental aspects of the game, and that is not due to his injury problems.
November 23rd, 2013 at 2:17 pm
People have lost their minds if your talking about Glennon who until last week was a checkdown king and like Josh Freeman in 2010 has had multiple dropped interceptions. The fact that he makes claim of this magnitude of saying RG3′ is behind Mike Glennon is in fact a farce.
November 23rd, 2013 at 2:23 pm
wins. that should be the basis off of which Glennon is judged by from here on out. if he can win the majority of the games left in the season then I think you give him a chance at the starting gig next season.
November 23rd, 2013 at 2:27 pm
Why is everyone comparing Glennon to option QB’s. WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY????
November 23rd, 2013 at 2:28 pm
Comparing Glennon to RG III is not a fair comparison because they’re 2 different QBs in terms of style. Besides that, RG III’s resume is longer than Glennon; he’s helped get his team to a division title and playoff berth. Glennon’s career is just starting out.
November 23rd, 2013 at 2:31 pm
I also don’t think the lack of talent around Glennon should be used as an excuse either. I remember one episode of hard knocks where a back up QB was cut and was extremely pissed off about it because he felt like he couldn’t properly show what he could do playing with the rest of the buck ups. he ask the coach who cut him ” what was I supposed to do, make chicken salad out of chicken sh!t?” and the coach said ” that’s exactly what you were supposed to do, make chicken salad out of chicken sh!t.” I think that sums up perfectly how a QB is supposed to be judged. wins, no matter what happens.
November 23rd, 2013 at 2:31 pm
I believe RG3 was the better college QB by far, however Glennon’s more traditional style translates better to the NFL.
November 23rd, 2013 at 2:35 pm
But the true test will be what does Glennon do in his second year.
November 23rd, 2013 at 2:37 pm
Me thinks Joe thought Gradkowski was a good QB LOL If you based a good QB on a winning record and playoff and super bowl victories you would have to say Trent Dilfer was a good QB and we all know here that as great a guy as Dilfer is, a great QB he was not, even with a super bowl win and a winning record overall.
November 23rd, 2013 at 2:38 pm
Well isnt glennon making chicken salad out of chicken shizt? I mean we’re on our 4th string rb. Lost all pro lg. No te. No 2nd or 3rd wr.
Hm. I wonder what he could do with Williams Martin. A TE and 3rd wr?
November 23rd, 2013 at 2:40 pm
Joe – Surprised you didn’t take another opportunity to lobby for your draft favorite and actually chose to picture someone currently on the roster in this post. Thanks for throwing our qb a bone
November 23rd, 2013 at 2:43 pm
One read and run qb’s never win a Super Bowl and they never stay healthy- give me Payton and Brady’s all day
November 23rd, 2013 at 2:44 pm
@ Chris
so far, yes he is. but there is still 6 more games left, lets see how many he can win the rest of the season. if he wins the majority of them, then give him a shot to be the starting QB next season.
November 23rd, 2013 at 2:46 pm
Right any rookie QB should be able to win in this league having only 1 option in the passing game. Makes perfect sense.
November 23rd, 2013 at 2:46 pm
Markie Mark, Glennon has had wayyy more dropped receptions than dropped interceptions…. If all of those passes were caught, he would be over 80% completions with like 14 td and maybe 6 interceptions. Better numbers than almost all of the elite QB’s rookie seasons. Don’t hate, bruh
November 23rd, 2013 at 2:49 pm
Joe – You are completely wrong on QB rushing being an asset. The winning QB of the last 12 superbowls has run for an average of 76 yards for the whole season. There is no proof that a QB’s mobility or rushing ability contributes greatly to a winning record. If your goal is to provide casual-fan-analysis, then you are certainly spot on. It is becoming apparent to me that your QB assessments are steeped in a bias that favors entertainment/popularity over quality. It should also be noted that RGIII is now 12-13, a losing QB.
November 23rd, 2013 at 2:57 pm
@ Couch Fan
harsh, I know. if you ask me its not fair, but thats the NFL.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:13 pm
Thats not the NFL. Thats your unrealistic expectations of a rookie QB.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:15 pm
To me Glennons rookie year is reminiscent to Russel Wilson’s. Wilson struggled in his first 6 starts then progressed and took off. Starting to see that with Glennon right now.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:18 pm
What Jordan said.
Running QB’s just can’t take the sustained pounding in the NFL. I’m not at all opposed to what a mobile QB can bring, anything you can do to counter the rush and move the chains is understood.
But designed rushing plays for NFL QB’s usually mean an injury plagued career with no Lombardi.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:21 pm
@ Couch Fan
or better known as excuses.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:25 pm
I think you have to look at what we paid (3rd rd) for Glennon vs what the Skins gave up for RG3…..multiple draft picks….I think when you make that comparison, the choice is clearer.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:29 pm
@ Andrew 1
Intelligent, rational and well thought out excuses.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:30 pm
Russel Wilson didn’t take a significant step back this year. Also Wilson and Glennon are miles ahead in going through their progressions and making reads, than RG3, because they both were in a pro style offense in college. Not so with RG3, he barely had to read anything with the offense he ran in college and the offense he ran last year with the skins.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:36 pm
I got a hunch that Joe won’t be talking about ‘ol Johnny Boy nearly as much if Glennon lights up the Lions tomorrow. Boy, that would be something to watch.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:40 pm
I was about to say the same thing Chris and Glennon’s last game reminded me a lot of Wilson’s game vs Miami last year, both had 16 straight completions in that game. Joe your right about RG3 and Collin Kapernick regressing this season but your wrong in saying Russell Wilson has, that guy has been having a great season. We don’t need a QB that can put up 500+ rushing yards in a season, I am more than happy in having a pure pocket passer and I am sure the Patriots, Broncos, and Saints are as well an no I’m not saying Mike Glennon is Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Drew Brees but if we are going to compare him to QB’s lets compare him to pocket passers.
I really think we should give Glennon more than 1 season before writing him off and saying he can’t be a franchise QB. A lot of Franchise QB’s didn’t have a good rookie season and Glennon is actually having a good season with a depleted offense. Remember Matt Ryan’s rookie season which was considered really good for a rookie well Mike Glennon is only 5 TD passes away from matching Matt’s total in his rookie season and Mike has only played 7 games compared to Matt’s 16. What I find funny though is Matt Ryan’s passer rating in his rookie season was 87.7 and Mike Glennon’s passer rating so far is also 87.7
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:41 pm
This is a pointless arguement at this point, It’s much too small a sample size for Glennon without knowing how much the coaching staff is or isn’t putting on his plate. Glennon looks to me like he is playing risk management football for the most part and letting the guys around him make plays. He’s hitting WR’s in stride and he’s taking care of the football. He’s dng what is needed of him right now.
“Franchise QB”, that’s turning out to be impossible to diagnose in no less than five years worth of film.
Robert Griffin and Colin Kaepernick are the latest in the media’s mistake in rushing to crown the young guys as saviors ofthese franchises. Time will tell and Glennon to me has earned more time beyond this seaon.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:47 pm
I disagree, Russell Wilson isn’t digressing, he seems to be the real deal
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:54 pm
RG3 will have a short career. Give me a pure pocket passer any day of the week. The one thing that is impossible to judge with these QBs coming out is there ability to handle the NFL speed. Glennon looks very comfortable and the game is not too big for him. I say we give him another year (along with a full offseason where you know he will bust his ass to progress) and draft some DLine help. If he sucks next year then at least you know what you have. Be careful what you wish for Bucs fans.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:56 pm
Progression is key for a rookie
And so far he has done just that.
He’s 2-5 and has a chance to finish out a strong season as ROY.
Good thing is that when it comes down to it only the Bucs opinion of Glennon matters.
And they love him.
Gotta think the Glazers are happy with finally having a QB who can read his professions and do more than go 3 and out lol.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:56 pm
Joe prefers to draft an O-lineman with the Bucs first round pick. Don’t let these article fool you. Right Joe?
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:58 pm
“Mike Glennon Mob mentality”
I try to stay on an even keel on this topic. I think it’s over the top to compare to RG3, but I didn’t write it so its just another opinion in the NFL world.
I like what I see so far, and the only thing I really take from the article that has already come to fruition is that he is playing like a 1st round pick, and so far has been a steal in the 3rd round.
He still has to get better, and continue to progress, and that is all on him. I think he will. Keep building that foundation Glennon, may have something with him.
Josh Freeman was a bust in Tampa. The Glennon Mob was right about that. He got his 3 games to prove himself this year, and really shouldn’t have played any this year. Same thing all over again with him. VJ, and MW carried that guy throughout his career in Tampa.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:58 pm
@Tony – I agree except I think drafting anyone on the defensive side high is a mistake. Even if they have truck loads of talent, the league is trying to take the defense out of the game. Draft a top flight OL or WR
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:01 pm
http://nflphilosophy.com/qb-purgatory/ <———-Worth a read
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:06 pm
@Buc1987 – One of Johnny Boy’s teammates on the O-Line by the name of Matthews is pretty darn good. He’s the Aggie I want on our team.
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:13 pm
All Glennon seems to be missing is the wheels. It should be noted that neither Tom Brady nor Peyton Manning have ever been considered threats to run. I think they’ve done OK. Glennon seems to have the right mentality, work ethic, and the respect of teammates and coaches. He also has all the arm he could need, and is a student of the game. The suggestion by Joe or anyone else on the board that a rookie QB needs to show he can hoist a team on his shoulders to win, is outlandish/ridiculous/preposterous. That has never been the standard for a rookie QB and is pretty unreasonable. Glennon has played very well and will only get better.
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:14 pm
@Patrick
I thought they same thing after I posted that. If we could get Mathews for Watkins I would love that. Pick up a pass rusher in free agency
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:19 pm
Another important thing to consider in Glennon’s development is Greg Schiano’s job securtiy. As of right now, Schiano is still on the hot seat IMO. He’s only won 3 games out of his last 16, that’s 3-13, which is BAD. Now he has won his last two games and all of a sudden some people are back on the Schiano bandwagon. But let’s face it, he won two games against one mediocre team in Miami and one bad team in Atlanta. If he can beat Detroit in their house, that’s saying something. I would love to see the Bucs win out and go 8-8 or 7-9 or maybe even 6-10 considering how ugly we looked the first 8 games. Some people are back on his side now, but what if we start losing again? We still got 6 games left, and they ain’t cakewalks either. The Bucs could easily finish the season 0-6 and fans would jump ship back to the #FireSchiano bandwagon. I just want what’s best for my team, and if that is or is not Schiano, so be it. But if he is not here next year that highly effects Mike Glennon, and possibly the draft.
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:30 pm
Joe loves Johnny football and I like him as a college qb. But I don’t think he translates to the nfl. If I’m taking him or mariota it’s round 3. Raw as nfl passers.
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:31 pm
I think RGIII needs another year to heal/rehab that knee before making a judgment. He is throwing off balance because that knee is just not where it needs to be.
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:38 pm
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November 23rd, 2013 at 4:53 pm
Point is we can’t keep drafting a quarterback every year. This team is built to win NOW and I think now that we have got glennon we stick with him next year and try to make a run for the playoffs over the next 3 years. If not we start the cycle again.. That’s life in the NFL. Nothing is guaranteed even though you have a great team, look at last years 49ers and broncos teams.
Personally I prefer a more traditional QB like glennon than a manziel having said that if he was available later in the draft I would take him as a backup. We need a TE, WR, OL and DE more than we need a QB. I think this team is starting to click so why mess it up. BTW I would keep Meredith in next year, it’s no coincidence that the run game has improved when our starters are out… Which mean the backups are better. I also would keep schiano and dominik. They have a good eye for talent and it’s takes at least 2 years to build a team and a culture.
Just my thoughts, and I’m sure there will be many who Will disagree. Each to their own I guess. Go Bucs..
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:55 pm
Hahaha let’s go Bucs. Playoff bound
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November 23rd, 2013 at 5:07 pm
Touchdown Gus Says:
November 23rd, 2013 at 1:38 pm
I don’t want to draft Johnny football not because of Glennon but because Johnny football is too erratic
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Everyone is allowed to have an opinion, yours is terrible. Congrats. Manziel is going to win back to back heisman trophies. And will be the first player in history to do so. Even if Jameis Winston wasn’t feeling all “rapey” (allegedly) Manziel has superior numbers and does more with a lot less. Dude WTF, you don’t become the best player in college football by being erratic. Jesus..
November 23rd, 2013 at 5:12 pm
Chris Says:
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:30 pm
Joe loves Johnny football and I like him as a college qb. But I don’t think he translates to the nfl. If I’m taking him or mariota it’s round 3. Raw as nfl passers.
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Manziel is not Tim Tebow guy..There are a lot of NFL scouts that think Manziel will be great in the NFL. There are NO questions about his throwing ability. Seriously, do some of you even watch the games. I’m astounded at how clueless some of you are
November 23rd, 2013 at 6:01 pm
Glennon has been a breath of fresh air after freeman. Even if he gets better and better we still need to draft a qb next year. I didn’t watch bradys or mannings rookie season but I don’t see the next brady or manning. I see a guy that’s good enough to win. That’s great but I want an ELITE qb, not somebody that’s good enough to win. Glennon could turn into an elite qb but he will probably settle below that.
If we end up with 5th or 6th pick, mariota bridgewater and manziel probably won’t be there. that case, I like the idea of us trading back picking up a few picks and filling a need. Then grabbing a qb in the 2nd round. Regardless, whatever qb we draft they will have to beat glennon
November 23rd, 2013 at 6:20 pm
I see LSU slamming Manzel now! Manzel cant even Put up a td against sorry lsu
November 23rd, 2013 at 6:29 pm
Regardless, Manziel will not be wearing a Buc uniform anytime soon.
He’s got a child’s mindset and the Bucs FO spent enough time and money ridding themselves of that type of player.
They won’t spend a draft pick on a locker room question mark especially when they just went to hell and back because of a player with similar problems.
November 23rd, 2013 at 6:32 pm
PASS Manziel 8-22, 151 yds, 1 TD
November 23rd, 2013 at 7:06 pm
So far, LSU seems to be handling ‘ol Johnny Boy just fine. Mettenberger’s not playin so bad either.
November 23rd, 2013 at 7:19 pm
ooh, terrible throw by Johnny Boy on third down. Aaron Murray played better against LSU with less talent lol.
November 23rd, 2013 at 7:45 pm
Joe, you should point out that nearly all Heisman winning QBs over the last 20 years could be categorized as “busts”. Torreta, Ward, Wuerffel, Weinke, Crouch, White, Leinart, Smith, Tebow. Even Bradford, Newton, and RGIII are still sub .500 QBs. Using the Heisman as a qualifier of future NFL success is not a wise move.
November 23rd, 2013 at 7:50 pm
Hey Joe are you watching Johnny right now? Johnny vs any defense with NFL caliber players he can sucks…. He will not be able to out run most LBs in the NFL, let alone be able to reverse field 3 times and throw a jump ball…
as far as the meat of the post, I think it’s funny your willing to bash Glennon to push the johnny agenda, Glennon is a better pocket passer than RG3 and is more NFL ready, now that doesn’t say much to how their careers will end, but in its context the statement was true.
November 23rd, 2013 at 8:11 pm
That was an NFL caliber interception their! Can we draft manziel now before anyone notices how great he looked in this game
November 23rd, 2013 at 8:22 pm
@ Buc 89
Exactly what I’ve been calling for….,.,we will pick 5 or 6…..we can either trade down if a good deal is there to pick up another 2nd rounder….then draft for need in 1st and take a QB in the 2nd round…there should be several to choose from.
Also, some of these teams drafting QBs will be letting some QBs go…we may be able to pick up a vet to help Glennon & back him up without using a pick on a QB
November 23rd, 2013 at 9:01 pm
Manziel, Marriota, sucked today. Blake Bortles in the 2nd round. Better NFL QB potential than M&M.
November 23rd, 2013 at 9:25 pm
Im still all in on the Murray bandwagon, even though no one else is. He’s making an SEC team look like an FBS team on Senior night. Bucs can get a DE or O-Lineman with their first pick, then Murray in the 2nd. Speaking of FBS teams, did you see what happened to Florida? They got beat by a team that didn’t even complete a single pass. Talk about embarrassing.
November 23rd, 2013 at 9:31 pm
Sorry I meant FCS not FBS.
November 23rd, 2013 at 9:32 pm
Even if Glennon tanks we won’t draft Manziel. He won’t be able to handle the pressure in the NFL. I’d prefer Bridgewater but Jacksonville will get him. There really is no QB I’d like to see us go after in round one, even if Glennon falls apart which I don’t believe he will. He just seems to be a man on a mission and very mature for a rookie QB. His upside is probably higher than his physical skills indicate just because he’s smart and he’s a hard worker.
November 23rd, 2013 at 9:36 pm
@tampa2 erratic in the sense of his plays come from improvisation. This doesn’t work as well in the nfl with bigger and faster athletes. I don’t give a shit about a college award. Tebow is considered one of the greatest college players of all time and how far did that heisman trophy take him…..
November 23rd, 2013 at 9:37 pm
@tampa 2 would you like a list of players that won the heisman and went on to do next to nothing in the nfl….
November 23rd, 2013 at 10:27 pm
@CoachG that was indeed a good read and I’ve been saying that for years. You have to be terrible to really get a chance at a quality QB in the draft. Atlanta and Carolina both sucked to be in position to get Newton and Ryan. New Orleans just got lucky.
November 23rd, 2013 at 10:32 pm
I find it funny that people like Brian Baldinger, roc Gannon , Greg Cossell , all who know more than Joe, say bucs got an absolute steal in glennon. However Tampa media , joe included, still see him as a long term back up. Joe glennon is a rookie. He’s not going to be playing like Tom Brady. Tom Brady wasn’t playing like Tom Brady til about 4 years in as a starter.
November 24th, 2013 at 12:05 am
Peyton Manning year one 3-13. No wins vs. Winning teams.
Troy Aikman year 1. 1-15. No wins vs. Winning teams.
Current NFL mobile quarterbacks over 30 who are starting= 0
Last mobile quarterback to win a super bowl Steve Young
November 24th, 2013 at 12:09 am
Guess you forgot about Brett Favre.
Or Big Ben.
Or Aaron Rodgers.
Just a few guys who are mobile and not statues since Steve Young in 1994
November 24th, 2013 at 12:25 am
You should all know where I stand in regards to Glennon by now. If not, it’s simple. He’s a good guy to have for a backup QB. I’m not on the Johnny Football bandwagon, but do think we need a QB with more upside and skills. Glennon should be able to win a few games when needed. Until we know more, I’ll refrain from debating more as I find most arguements ridiculous and most excuses comical she they’re supposedly legit for Glennon, yet hold true over the past 3 years… No matter the QB.
November 24th, 2013 at 1:00 am
Brett Favre, Roethlisberger, and Rodgers aren’t statues, but in terms of being mobile QB’s I wouldn’t put them in the same boat as Michael Vick, RGlll, Johnny Boy, Newton, or Kaepernick. Those 3 are more like guys that know how to extend plays with their legs if they have to, like when they get flushed out of the pocket. The others are more run-first QB’s whenever they run the ball, because they have an Option related offense.
November 24th, 2013 at 1:30 am
You also thought Little ole Free Free was more than a back up…
Look at where that ended up…
November 24th, 2013 at 2:00 am
Hottest topic since Freeman.
Good stuff.
MGM 4ever!
November 24th, 2013 at 2:21 am
Joe – You looked smart liking Matthews, guys almost a shoe in for a 15 yrs with his genes and a number of pro bowls – I suggest stay on that path and get off the Johnny football one – makes you look less enlightened my friend..
November 24th, 2013 at 2:34 am
bucthis:
Matthews, yes. Johnny Football, no. Unless the NFL types Joe has spoken with/read are all dead wrong about the guy.
November 24th, 2013 at 2:36 am
Plank:
Johnny Football is a thrower who can run. Just look at his numbers.
Vick, Newton and Kaepernick were all runners before passers.
November 24th, 2013 at 2:37 am
Ding!
November 24th, 2013 at 2:39 am
Chris:
Have you seen Glennon rifle a pass and hit a receiver in stride streaking down the sideline yet?
Joe hasn’t. When Glennon can do this, then Joe will be sold.
Look, Glennon may be the surprise of the draft, and he is still the No. 4 QB in the division.
November 24th, 2013 at 2:41 am
Get a hold of yourself. That’s Kentucky he was lighting up. And, yes, virtually every team makes them look like a Division i-AA school. If you are beating your chest that Kentucky (football) is an SEC team, guessing you also own a Myron Lewis jersey?
November 24th, 2013 at 2:43 am
tampa2:
There is some clown that keeps Twittering Joe that Manziel can only throw jump balls at receivers.
/facepalm smh
November 24th, 2013 at 2:45 am
Gus:
So you would automatically scratch a guy off your list if he won a Heisman???
You’d be sweeping floors pretty soon with than mentality.
November 24th, 2013 at 3:16 am
Joe, do you think the “Rockstar” is really going to draft a QB in the first round though? His previous history would suggest no. Look at Freeman’s rookie year, he was thrust into a starting role in the middle of the season just like Glennon. Not only did Freeman play less games than Glennon (assuming Glennon finishes the season having started 13 games), but his stats weren’t even as good as Glennon’s so far. The very next offseason, the Bucs have the No.3 pick and with Bradford off the board, Dom and Rah had 3 great college QB’s available. Heisman Trophy winning, 2-time National Champion Tim Tebow, all time win leader in the NCAA (at the time), Heisman Tropy runner-up and National Champion runner-up Colt McCoy, and impressive Jimmy Clausen who didn’t get any fancy awards but put up good numbers at Notre Dame. All had great college careers.
Dom didn’t draft a single one of them. He had a chance to grab Tebow in round 1 before he was off the board, Clausen in round 2 (the Bucs had 2 2nd round picks), and Colt McCoy in round 3. The Bucs did not draft a QB that year, put all their faith in Freeman. Of course, as it turned out none of those QB’s panned out, including Freeman, but nobody knew that back then they just came out of college. And Dom passed on all of them to get GMC, Brian Price, Arrelious Benn, and Myron Lewis because Dom believed that QB was NOT the Bucs’ biggest need. In fact, it wasn’t even a necessity at all to him, seeing as how he didn’t even draft one with 9 picks.
If Glennon continues to play well, do you think the “Rockstar” is going to take a chance on a college QB when he has an impressive 2nd year QB, rather than draft a good O-Lineman or DE that we desperately need? Sure, after watching Freeman fluke not just a couple games but an ENTIRE SEASON you can’t be completely sold on Glennon, but how can you be sold on a guy that hasn’t taken a snap in the NFL yet? If I were a betting man, I’d probably take the 2nd year QB that as a 3rd round rookie put up impressive numbers with a banged up offense and choke happy defense, rather than a QB that was great in college put hasn’t proven anything in the NFL yet.
November 24th, 2013 at 3:35 am
Joe you can choose to write about Manziel as much as you want but your only going set yourself up for utter disappointment when the man boy ends up not wearing a Bucs uniform.
Oh and I would stick to not defining a mans career based off of 7 games.
Really you can tell Glennon is a back up already?
Doesn’t give you much credibility.
Oh and NFL types have been wrong about many a player before lol.
It’s not unheard of.
November 24th, 2013 at 6:08 am
Russell Wilson taking a step back? Do people put their finger in the air, hear but one or two pundits, & make a definitive call like that? Especially one who has the biggest Bucs website in the area?
Russel Wilson QB rating—
2012—100.0 11-5
2013—105.0 10-1
I’m sorry, it just reminded me that the “narrative” was that Cam Newton regressed last year—
2011—84.5 6-10
2012—86.2 7-9
2013—91.8 7-3
Mike Glennon didn’t have the entire offseason & the training camp taking #1 snaps like RGIII did. While in the long run I’d pick RGIII over Mike Glennon (& I’m a Johnny Football fanboi too, though I didn’t see today’s LSU debacle), the fact are this—
Mike Glennon 2012—87.7
RGIII 2012—83.6
& supposedly RGIII isn’t quite the do-gooder/great leader we were all sold last year, according to some recent reports.
Yes, RGIII has the better career rating & winning %, & I think Cosell sometimes doesn’t look at intangibles & just goes off standard scout stuff while watching film…but right now, Glennon’s having a better year, & RGIII has 25 starts to Glennon’s 7.
November 24th, 2013 at 6:11 am
2013 comparison, obviously. Sorry bout that
November 24th, 2013 at 6:57 am
Joe Says:
November 24th, 2013 at 2:39 am
Chris:
joe included, still see him as a long term back up.
Have you seen Glennon rifle a pass and hit a receiver in stride streaking down the sideline yet?
Joe hasn’t. When Glennon can do this, then Joe will be sold.
Look, Glennon may be the surprise of the draft, and he is still the No. 4 QB in the division.
Have you seen any wr get that seperation? Not even Vincent Jackson is. Besides v-jax glennon is making chicken salad out of chicken $h!t. Come on joe. Your expectations are too high for a rookie.
Johnny football can be a good nfl qb but he’s not the passer nor is he on a maturity level of an nfl franchise qb. He’s a one read tuck and pull or scramble around until he sees a guy open. If his first option isn’t there very rarely he finds a 2nd progression.
Besides Bridgewater I’m not sure I take any qb over glennon right now. Derek Carr impresses me but I see several screens and slants and a lot of YAC.
Joe I suggest you watch nfl playbook for glennon a break down.
Also did you see Tom Brady or Peyton manning make those throws their rookie season ? No one saw the great Peyton manning til about year 3/4 when it all clicked. Brady had the benefit of a great defense until he became the prolific passer.
If you think glennon is going to be this all pro over night expectation you’re nuts. He’s done everything to give himself a chance at being the franchise guy.
November 24th, 2013 at 7:01 am
Joe Says:
November 24th, 2013 at 12:09 am
Last mobile quarterback to win a super bowl Steve Young
Guess you forgot about Brett Favre.
Or Big Ben.
Or Aaron Rodgers.
Just a few guys who are mobile and not statues since Steve Young in 1994
Joe you think Aaron Rodgers is a mobile qb? He’s a pure pocket passer with excellent feet in the pocket and buying time is something he’s good at. By no means is he a running qb.
Roethlisbuergrr is a different type of qb than the likes of RG III and kapernick. Ben used his legs sure but he also developed into a good pocket passer.
November 24th, 2013 at 7:04 am
Haha joe any qb we draft will still be number 4 in the division. Btw Glennon outplayed Matt Ryan. What are your thoughts? He had all season without a #2 WR. No TE , no 3,4,5 wrs that are capable of a nfl roster. Ryan still has Gonzalez and white. Better coaching staff. Hm.
November 24th, 2013 at 12:57 pm
@Tampa2
Everyone is allowed to have an opinion, yours is terrible. Congrats. Manziel is going to win back to back heisman trophies. And will be the first player in history to do so. Even if Jameis Winston wasn’t feeling all “rapey” (allegedly) Manziel has superior numbers and does more with a lot less. Dude WTF, you don’t become the best player in college football by being erratic. Jesus.
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Sorry my friend but please look up Archie Griffin from OSU.
I totally agree with Joe and draft a Texas A&M player. Matthews or Evens.
Also I have a question, would we be arguing Glennons play if was drafted in the 1st instead of the 3rd round?
November 24th, 2013 at 1:11 pm
Look, Glennon may be the surprise of the draft, and he is still the No. 4 QB in the division.
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and when we draft Manziel he will still be the 4th best QB in the division. Nothing will change accept you wont be labeling him as such.
November 24th, 2013 at 1:11 pm
i should say if we draft Manziel.