“He Completely Quit”
November 12th, 2013Vincent Jackson giving up on a route is in Joe’s notebook from last night’s game. It was a deep ball that came his way and Jackson seemingly lost interest.
This morning, former Buccaneer Ian Beckles (1990-1996) was all over the Bucs captain for the effort. “He completely quit,” Beckles said on his WDAE-AM 620 show.11
This was noteworthy to Joe because Beckles is always very delicate when it comes to the “Q” word. Joe remembers Beckles being very hesitant to label the 2011 Buccaneers “quitters.” And there have been other instances of Beckles shunning the “Q” word, as well. Today, however, Beckles had no problem slapping the worst insult in sports on Jackson.
Joe can’t say definitively what happened on the field. But it has been a season of drops and other challenges for Jackson, a definite drop off in play from 2012. Beckles speculated Jackson was reacting to frustration early in last night’s game, born from times he was open deep but Mike Glennon didn’t take the shot.
November 12th, 2013 at 10:37 am
I don’t think he meant he quit as in he quit on the game.
Just the route…its still not good. But like Ian said it was probably a product of being open a lot and not having the ball thrown his way.
He picked a bad time to take a play off. Don’t get me wrong he should be called out for it I just don’t think it’s a sign of any greater problem.
November 12th, 2013 at 10:43 am
For all the people that watch all the Bucs game. It is not ” a product of being open a lot.” for Vincent Jackson.
November 12th, 2013 at 10:46 am
I said this recently, the coaching staff is apparently ok with throwing a jump ball to VJ as evidenced by Free doing it many times- and with success. VJ is VERY GOOD at catching a contested ball and he will almost always make sure that if he can’t get it, the DB won’t either. And, according to Chucky, Glennon his a ‘cannon’. So what is up with the Bucs never throwing a jump ball to VJ? Is Glennon afraid to do it?
November 12th, 2013 at 10:46 am
He didn’t expect the ball to come to him..look at the film, he didn’t Even know it was thrown….and I thought beckles wasn’t watching anymore games?? What a clown he needs to shut up..only 2% of football fans know who he is
November 12th, 2013 at 10:48 am
And talk about quitting, if Mike Wallace was not being targeted, he was TOTALLY USELESS. He was just standing around when the Dolfins were running – he did not even attempt to block Revis. Funny
November 12th, 2013 at 10:59 am
Both Defenders on that play were starting to make a break on the ball
and VJAX just pulled up.
That was the most frustrating Drive of the whole game
He took two plays off and then had the look of
“Maybe that will get me out of this place (Tampa)”…
I wanted to jump through the TV and rip that “C” off of his chest!!!!
AND THEN, to top it off ,
the after game show had him on as the Buc Player of the game ( I assume??)
A 28 yards receiving night player is our Player Representative on the after game show?!?!?
What a joke!!!
He even had a look on his face like he was not supposed to be there.
He was a total A$$BAG last night and DEFINITELY note worthy of the Captain “C”
November 12th, 2013 at 11:01 am
Vincent Jackson is getting serious double coverage with no Mike Will or secondary WR that is a real threat. So it’s not like all of a sudden a pro bowl WR can’t play anymore. He is however reaching that age and he does drop some catchable balls. As he gets older it is increasingly difficult for him to go long and get open which heretofore was his trademark.
With his salary and the need for additional cap space, I would not be surprised with guys like Mike Evans/A&M and Brandon Coleman/Rutgers (do I dare say Rutgers?) available in the 2014 draft, he could be traded to a playoff team for a high draft pick.
November 12th, 2013 at 11:16 am
That series he dropped the 1st down pass that was in his hands, 2nd down he totally quits on the deep ball, then breaks off his route on 3rd down for the interception. He looks disinterested most of the time.
November 12th, 2013 at 11:18 am
Without a dout V-Jack didn’t run out the route. Quit? little heavy handed if you ask me.
I doubt he didn’t know the ball was coming, that’s hid job. That’s like saving the triage nurse is surprised when people show up. nah, something went on with that one.
I’m always certain to pick up V-Jack in FF each year and Glennon has certainly been great for his numbers.
Everyone gets a blown play here and there.
November 12th, 2013 at 11:25 am
VJ looked to be confused on some of his routes. One them, it seemed that he thought he was just supposed to draw the defense downfield to set up something underneath. Who knows… VJ has NOT had his best year, there is no doubt about that… What is concerning me is Glennon’s deep ball throws. For a guy with a “rocket arm”, his downfield throws this year have been awful. He continues to throw sideline fly route passes short and to the inside of the field where corners are able to make a play on the ball and the WR’s end up having to play defense. Even that bomb he threw to VJ in the Falcons game that went for a TD was underthrown and Jackson had to wait for it. In last night’s game Glennon got lucky with a horrible DPI call, he had a fade to VJ in the endzone was way too low 5’3 Brent Grimes knocked it down, and the Dolphins dropped at least 2 picks. Glennon is gonna have to get better if he doesn’t want a high QB draft pick walking into One Buc next year.
November 12th, 2013 at 11:29 am
Beckles is a joke, always has been, let go because he was cancer
in the locker room. all mouth and usually un prepared only knows about
food and skanks
November 12th, 2013 at 11:34 am
@ BUc Neckid: I don’t know why VJ was the guy getting face time either. I was scratching my head on that one. The game just ended on a huge defensive effort. How about giving young Lavonte some much deserved national pub, or Barron who was flying around making plays everywhere, or GMC who just had 2 monster sacks in a row, or Revis who had the game clinching pick? They had all these guys play great games and they chose VJ with 3 catches for 28 yards!?! BSPN makes me SMDH!
November 12th, 2013 at 11:34 am
Bucsrealist,
If he’s open 3 or 4 times a game and the ball doesn’t get thrown to him that is a lot.
And also, open for Vjax isn’t always wide open. One thing Josh was good at (at least the first half of last season) was throwing the ball up and letting Vjax and Williams make plays.
Glennon doesn’t do that…and the times that he attempts it he overthorws by ten yards.
November 12th, 2013 at 11:42 am
VJ had double coverage on that play and I suspect he thought the ball wouldn’t be thrown to him. He should always know where the ball is.
I think Glennon is very reluctant to throw the jump ball to anyone….
What I really don’t understand is how opposing QBs continue to find open recievers over the middle on us with short passes.
This is the gameplan against us. I ask you….How many batted balls do we have this year?….When is the last time you’ve seen one even deflected….It seems if we can’t get to the QB at least our hands should be up!!!
November 12th, 2013 at 11:47 am
need to use Wright more
November 12th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
I listened, did not watch, but on radio color, Dan Fouts remarked that Jackson did not even look for the ball on the deep pass & the next, shorter one; Fouts mentioned it a couple times.He seemed amazed at the lack of effort.
It was obvious in person watching the route. Sad, but true. Again, Joe can’t explain what happened. –Joe
November 12th, 2013 at 12:11 pm
I was in the south end zone… The entire section I was in saw him quit and called him out for it right then! He did quit, plain and simple…
November 12th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
Being at the game last night what really frustrates me was there were numerous plays Vjax was wide open had beaten the safety and Glennon did not see it and hit the underneath route. It drove me nuts and makes me mad cause those are the big impact plays you need to put the nail in the coffin on teams. He’s becoming a check down king. Hopefully he’ll watch the tape today see all the missed shots and get back to work sunday.
November 12th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
I also didnt understand why ESPN chose to interview Jackson after the game. that usually goes to the player that had the most impact on the game. 3 receptions for 20 something yards and he gets the privilege of speaking for the team after the game? it should have been Lavonte David.
November 12th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
That’s not the first time Jackson has quit on routes this year. Something is going on with him. He’s dropping way too many balls and he just seems distracted this year.
November 12th, 2013 at 12:44 pm
Wow…you people can be dense at times, lol.
Jackson was interviewed because it was veterans day and he was raised around the military. They talked about this throughout the game. It was for the benefit of the veterans.
So far as the play, it was overthrown regardless. Perhaps he saw that.
November 12th, 2013 at 12:46 pm
It was disgusting to see
I have always been one of the biggest VJ defenders and supporters.
It was just plain disgusting.
I still support him but that cannot happen again.
Unacceptable.
November 12th, 2013 at 12:48 pm
At it was obvious he didn’t see anything
Cause he wasn’t looking or even running at full speed.
He let up, which is why it went far beyond him.
November 12th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
Maybe the play design was for it to be thrown short, so Jackson could slow to catch it. You really don’t know the play called.
So all this is speculation.
November 12th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
It was clear watching that it was a shot down field and regardless of any speculation or circumstance VJ was not paying attention or even trying.
And it was not just one route last night either.
November 12th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
He’s packed it in and who can blame him and he has lost respect for this offence
November 12th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
And isn’t it always speculation here anytime we converse about the team here?
After all, none of us really know anything when we “opine” about the Bucs.
We are just fans in the end and that argument can be used for anything written on these threads by us.
November 12th, 2013 at 1:11 pm
Who can blame him?
It’s his job, he gets payed for it.
It’s not about whether you like it or respect it it’s about earning every penny of those “millions” you are receiving to play a “game”.
November 12th, 2013 at 1:25 pm
@ BuccaneerBonzai
I had no idea he had family in the military. In that case it makes sense why they interviewed him. did they mention it in the interview and I just missed it? I will admit I was half paying attention. If they didnt then they probably should have.
November 12th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
No A1
Not specifically in that interview no.
November 12th, 2013 at 1:50 pm
I would agree that if you are a Buc receiver, this is an awful offense to play in. It looks as if the run game and short passes to the backs is what the offense is built around. No explosiveness. This season Jackson has not been bringing his A game every Sunday. He isn’t fighting for the ball. He is not finishing his routes. His drops have been magnified by the weak offense which has no room for error.
After the season Bucs will need to evaluate his production. He isn’t paid top 5 receiver money to catch 3 or 4 balls for 40 yards a game. When you see his lack of enthusiasm it does make you wonder if he isn’t buying into the Sullivan-Shiano offense. The drops earlier in the season killed off potential drives. Now he appears to be not giving 100% every play.
For the salary he gets Bucs could get 2 or 3 solid route runners.
November 12th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
@BuccaneerBonzai……great points!!!! Some football IQ is refreshing on here.
November 12th, 2013 at 2:05 pm
Regardless of taking a play off, if in fact he intended to loaf, I still respect him overall. VJAX has mad talent still and has been a classy player on and off the field. I would take a great player who takes a couple of plays off than to have a sucky player who runs hard every play. Just saying.
November 12th, 2013 at 2:14 pm
And as always we still have the Freeman lovers that can’t let him go. Jackson may get open at times but Glennon has been under pressure most of the time and made the smart throw to pick up positive yards. Gruden showed what he said are long balls. Gruden gives him high marks and thinks he will go far. I think he kows more than anyone here. The idea is to eat up clock and keep the other offense off the field. not score fast. He got lucky with the flag? Oh poor baby. Let’s cry. Because another team never got lucky with that flag on us. .Of course you know that was not a come back route. Jackson 1 is getting double covered and 2 is pissed they got rid of Freeman. We are 1-8 he wants out.
November 12th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
Please BECKLES thinks his words are stone. Stick to talking about good and a birthday challenge contest that only 3 people enjoy listening to unfortunately they all work at station. I saw beckles take plays off oops maybe it was just the DLINEMAN beating him again during his playing days which no one in NFL CIRCLES REMEMBERS
November 12th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
I no longer listen to 620 for any commentary so I didn’t hear the comments, however, I do agree, VJax quit on that route and the next one as well. He leads the team in targets and drops by a far margin. He also leads the team in dollars per check on the team. He does well on jump balls but doesn’t create enough separation to make it easy on the qb. Freeman and Glennon had to hit such small windows on passes to him on a regular basis. This team is in dire need of some outside speed and a slot guy that runs precise routes and catches everything.
November 12th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
I was right behind the bench. He didnt give up on that route. He didn’t even see the ball. He did great all game especially some blocks he picked up. I think our linebackers carry this defense. Thy were pumped up on the sideline. Casillas was loud! Gary Sheffield kept getting on him it was pretty cool to see that.
November 12th, 2013 at 10:22 pm
That’s right IAN BECKLES, everything you say is supposed to be gospel because after all…. you played the game, blah blah blah, I can’t tell you how many times he brags about blocking John freakin Randall and getting the best of him , and wanting to apologize after the play, what-ever! (his claim to fame I guess).
VJax will be fine, he doesn’t have the luxuries he had last year, and for Booger to claim that he is faster than VJ, the dude consistently has a high per catch average, so what does that signify, if he’s slow, then he’s running some damn good routes! I swear, these radio personalities (Steve Duemig included) love to rain on the Bucs parade after a win(remember his Trent Dilfer vendetta), never fails, there’s no question there is an agenda behind it, but who gives a rats a$$ anyway, we won and it felt good for a change!
November 13th, 2013 at 12:07 am
I have to admit and agree with the label on him for that series. He doesn’t even look for the ball ? he is the #1 option, He should ALWAYS be ready for the ball to come to him all game long. The very next play he breaks his route and the ball gets intercepted. I’ve noticed this about Jackson a bunch this year. for a man making 55 mill and being the captain of the team, he should NEVER EVER take a play off. That is the problem with this team. they are stuck with a losing mentality and don’t give it their all play after play. I also noticed Glennon did not even attempt a pass his way again after that. So it’s hard to say that even the QB thinks he wasn’t trying very hard at that point in the game.
No excuses. you make that much money and represent yourself as the Elite WR you are. You play to the fullest every down and stop letting your emotions get the best of you.
November 13th, 2013 at 7:12 am
@ButIt941
Glennon just plain threw it behind Jackson. I didn’t see any point where Jackson made a mistake unless he was assuming Jackson would sit there and wait for the throw.