Gerald McCoy: Midseason All-Pro
November 5th, 2013
OK, OK, OK. Joe has heard the cries of the soccer moms out there demanding Joe write something positive about a team that has won but one game in its last 14 outings. Joe’s already done that today, but Joe can assure you, one has to dig and dig deep to find positives about an 0-8 team.
So Joe spend the good part of the day researching and finally came up with the ice cream needed to give all the little soccer players a reward for showing up to the game on time, despite the fact they lost by nine goals. Bucs defensive tackle Gerald McCoy is a midseason All Pro. Yes, really. That’s what Khaled Elsayed of Pro Football Focus typed. In the same sentence with J.J. Watt, no less.
Defensive Interior – Ends: J.J. Watt, HOU and Gerald McCoy, TB
If you didn’t see this coming you’re not watching enough football. His sack numbers aren’t as high but Watt leads his peers in defensive stops in the run game (23) and quarterback disruptions (41). He’s still the best player in football. When you watch McCoy make plays you forget briefly all about the struggles of Tampa Bay. He’s so good on every down.
Damn that Bucs rock star general manager Mark Dominik for drafting GMC!
If that is not enough evidence for you, consider Ben Stockwell, writing for the same outfit.
For anyone who keeps a close eye on the Bucs’ defense you will know that bright spots are few and far between, but there are some that are extremely bright and catch the eye and two of those did again [Sunday]. Up front, Gerald McCoy was as ever the leading light in the Tampa Bay pass rush proving far too hot to handle for Seattle tackles and guards alike with some eye-wateringly quick pressure that often had Russell Wilson bailing from the pocket before he had set at the top of his drop-back. This was a welcome bounce back for McCoy in the passing game having registered his first negative grade of the season last week recording only one hurry against the Panthers. Six total pressures yesterday matched his season high and earned him his highest single game pass rush grade of his career.
GMC, the best defensive tackle in the game, yet somehow Bill Sheridan can’t take advantage of this to generate pressure from the ends?
Maybe if the Bucs weren’t running so many silly stunts, with GMC’s disruption, defensive ends might be able to bruise a quarterback instead of running around in the flat guarding nobody?
GMC has turned into a warrior. Too bad some folks are actually of the mind he should be cut? Imagine.
November 5th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
So when they discuss his Hall of Fame candidacy they will overlook the fact that he had 6 sacks his whole career because the man had 450 pressures?
November 5th, 2013 at 6:40 pm
@Joseph Mamma,
You are totally missing the point, and you clearly don’t understand the way it works. If a DT gets pressure, he’s not going to get a sack unless the ends can keep the QB in the pocket. How many times this season have you seen QB’s bounce outside without a defender in site? Guess what – that’s the ends responsibility to keep contain. Not even the great Warren Sapp can take down QB’s without any contain. They’ll just run right around him.
As for the hall of fame numbers, he probably won’t have a shot to get in unless he does get some help from the ends (although it’s way too early to even discuss the HOF). But with football being a team game, that is unfortunately the way it goes. For this reason, I wouldn’t blame McCoy for leaving after his contract is up, unless we get him better coaching/DE’s. If he wants to be considered great, he has to have that. It’s not going to happen when he’s forced to loop around with these ridiculous stunts, nor is it going to happen if he has nobody keeping these QB’s in the pocket.
November 5th, 2013 at 6:42 pm
Pretty sure gmc will be in a different uniform once this contract is up if the team doesn’t improve
November 5th, 2013 at 6:58 pm
We’ll Joe I’m sold..can’t wait to get back to ray J and spend $10 a beer to watch our all pro PRESSURE the QB!
November 5th, 2013 at 7:05 pm
Why in the hell don’t the Bucs have a pass rushing DE? I think McCoy is a very good player, ProBowl calibre, yes, but he isn’t a superstar.
In my opinion Superstars like Lawrence Taylor, Simeon Rice, Warren Sapp, Julius Peppers, Michael Strahan, Reggie White, Dick Butkus, Joe Greene, Leroy Selman, to name a few were players that took over games, made game changing plays. They were impact players.
No knock on Gerald McCoy, in this current generation of defensive linemen he is one of the best but he hasn’t been a one man wrecking ball that has turned the Bucs defense into an elite D.
In this passing league, being a guy that plays for a team that is one of the worst in the NFL in rushing and sacking the QB just doesn’t put you in the Hall Of Fame.
November 5th, 2013 at 7:12 pm
GMCs best chance at the hall is staying with LVD and Mark Barron. Win some games and the accolades will come quickly, especially considering the history here.
GMC has been dominant this year, sad the rest of the line can’t take advantage. David is a better player than Brooks was at that age. I would say the same about Barron vs. Lynch, but I would like to see a little more consistency. And truthfully, Lynch was not that good his first couple of years. Big hitter, but missed a lot of tackles.
The big thing holding them back right now is the killer instinct, believing that they can go win the game. Sapp and Brooks would end games, LVD and McCoy aren’t ready or able to do that yet.
November 5th, 2013 at 7:14 pm
I believe you, Joe, but who says he should be cut? That’s….that’s retarded. What should be cut is the frontal quartex of those people’s brains. A full on lobotomy.
November 5th, 2013 at 7:17 pm
Plus as a leader he does things that leaders do. like lead and be a leader of men that need leaded. That’s just what a leader of the defense does in order to be a leader in this leader needed team. Did he mention he’s a leader? Because if the leader didn’t mention he’s a leader just rest assured. The leader that he is will be sure to tell you he leads this team in a leadership kind of way.
November 5th, 2013 at 7:19 pm
Ahh, the cluelessness!
If you don’t know anything whatsoever about football- PLEASE don’t make stupid comments about one of our few great players
Gerald McCoy is the best Defensive tackle in Football. It isn’t close.
If both of our DEs weren’t still recovering from injuries( as unbelievable as that is!!), McCoy would have 8 or more sacks- or our DEs would have them. The guy is an explosion in the center of the offensive line.
If you actually watch, you’ll see that most QBs have been automatically moving left or Right. That’s because they know the center of the line will be collapsed.
I would never say this lightly- because Watching Sapp work is some of my fondest football memories. But What Sapp said about McCoy may be True! McCoy is a beast! I can’t imagine how much press he would be getting- if we had a real DC, and healthy DEs. He would be a constant topic on NFL shows
And he is the nicest, classiest, fan friendly guy in the league.
He deserves much better than this freak show!
Lavonte David is moving in to Brooks status, McCoy is Already playing like a big Sapp.
Now if Clayborn/Bowers can heal- and become our next Simeon Rice
November 5th, 2013 at 7:20 pm
Kalind,
If some to me that they wanted McCoy cut, I would immediately hit them in the head with a sock full of pennies.
November 5th, 2013 at 7:24 pm
@Ed,
Either you skipped my post, ignored it, or don’t understand it.
You are comparing him to 3-4 LB’s, DE’s, a MLB, and DT’s with great DE’s. How is that comparable? HE DOESN’T HAVE THE ENDS TO KEEP THE QB IN THE POCKET!!! Get it? It’s not a difficult concept. Is it easier to tackle a Qb who is contained in a 5 foot space, or in a 40 yard space??? You really believe Warren Sapp would be able to chase down Russell Wilson with no contain? If so, I suggest you put down the alcohol.
November 5th, 2013 at 7:26 pm
I feel like I need to draw a diagram or something for people to understand a very basic concept.
November 5th, 2013 at 7:28 pm
Who the hell says GMC should be cut. Point them out so we can belittle them or maybe you can just ban them so they don’t infect us all with stupidity.
November 5th, 2013 at 7:32 pm
I pointed it put during the live thread, but did anyone notice that our ends were rushing the passer in the First Half ?
Wilson was constantly forced to scramble.
Then, inexplicably- we went back to the same dumb crap we’ve done all season at the start of the second half. Both Ends dropping in to coverage on passing downs( Singley the stupidest defensive maneuver I’ve ever had the misfortune of watching!!!), huge looping stunts, and telegraphed blitzes!
I was mystified to see is abandon our successful rush- and go back to playing our failed system.
And I thought we didn’t make second half adjustments! And Schiano adjusted Offensively too! He suddenly had a play sheet in his hand, and what appeared to the QB Mike on his head!
Way to adjust!!
November 5th, 2013 at 7:35 pm
Where’s my McCoy post?
November 5th, 2013 at 7:36 pm
I like the sarcasm regarding Mark Dominik. As if drafting GMC excuses all of the other bad picks (i.e Da’Quan Bowers, Josh Freeman) or his bad decision making on FA’s. Letting Miller and Bennett walk, not signing Abraham or any other D-Lineman available, overpaying for Eric Wright, not signing Brent Grimes, David Carr, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, or any other CB’s in the past two years to help the Bucs horrid pass defense, yeah he signed Dashon Goldson who is good but gets penalized every game, he traded for Revis who can’t play 100% after several months and a preseason of rehab and rest, and drafted “stud” Johnthan Banks who hasn’t played like a 2nd round CB and was also infected with MRSA. Where’s the depth? Danny Gorrer? Undrafted Leonard Johnson? Shorty Michael Adams? What about on offense? Yes, VJax is awesome and Mike Williams was a steal but again where’s the depth? Tiquan Underwood and then…? Hopefully Crabtree can become a good TE for us and that Tim Wright continues to make good catches.
Is Dom all that bad? Is he evil? NO! But he has had too many chances to put a decent team on this field, players and coaches included. 5 seasons, only one fluke 10-6 season, no playoff appearances, and he’s about to go through his second staff overhaul and 3rd head coach. How many GM’s get to work with 3 head coaches on the same team over the span of 5 years?
I loved the 2012 draft, but the negatives outweigh the positves for Dom’s tenure at Tampa Bay. The NFL is a business, and a win-now business. The Bucs have a record of 24-47 from 2009 to today, haven’t won a game since last December, almost a YEAR. 0-8 and still in a fatal nosedive. Tough being a Bucs fan right about now.
November 5th, 2013 at 7:42 pm
@Capt. Tim,
Wait a minute, are you saying that perhaps Clayborne shouldn’t be covering WR’s? Schitler and Sheridan would disagree. It worked at Rutgers (except it didn’t), so it has to work at the NFL level, right?
Schitler wastes the talent we have on this team like I’ve never seen from a professional football coach. He runs constant wheel routes to our Pro Bowl RB, despite the fact that he never caught one (nor should he). He puts our #1 WR in the slot about half the snaps (which is not his strength at all). We have one of the best 3 Techniques in the game, and he makes him run 2 mile looping stunts. He puts our first round monster 4-3 DE out in coverage. He puts the best CB in football in zone (I know, I know, he’s hurt). I’m sure there is more, but I think you get the point. We have no idea how talented we really are if we keep trying to force square pegs into round holes.
November 5th, 2013 at 7:51 pm
Very difficult to fault a GM for NOT signing players. We have no idea what happened behind the scenes. Maybe the player refused to sign there. Maybe Schiano refused to coach a player. Maybe we were outbid by another team. Maybe the player was a complete arse over the phone. You just don’t know.
He can be blamed for some bad free agent signings, but he’s also had some really good ones. Free agent signings tend to be bad more so than good, and Dominik’s right about the average.
Revis was not signed to be here for just one year. We all knew he may take a full season to get back to his old self. It was a deal done with the long term in mind. But again, when exactly has he played poorly. He gave up 2 receptions for 8 yards last week, 1 of which was in zone. I’ll take that every single day of the week.
I can’t blame him for Banks getting MRSA. Maybe you can, but I can’t. Everyone knew Bowers was a risk, which is why we were even able to get him in the second. Nobody was unhappy with that pick, so don’t even try it. Not like we’d even know how good he is, because he never gets in the game.
He has, however, been very successful getting some really good late round or undrafted steals. Dekoda Watson, Mike James, Mike Williams, Akeem Spence, Eric Lorig, just to name a few. I do think he has a lot of talent in that. He hasn’t hit enough home runs yet, but he’s hitting a pretty good percentage.
All that being said, he did hire Schiano, which is enough to fire him in my book.
November 5th, 2013 at 7:53 pm
Why guys like Suh and Atkins are 10X Better? They make the players around them better. McCoy, I honestly, do not see make any significant players. Cincinatti did squat when Atkins went down Thursday night up front to the point Miami’s poorous Oline looked respectable. McCoy does not do that for us. He does not take Double teams well. The 5 sacks he got last year? Carolina 1- Poor interior line and it was a coverage sack. 2 Philadelphia: One of the worst olines in the league. 2 Dallas: Same as philly.
The 2 sacks he has this year? Saints forgot to block him. And Cardinals poor oline . McCoy, I Said it when he was drafted, was a run defender who would be best suited as a 5 tech in a 3-4 because he’s very good against the run. Same with Adrian Clayborn.
November 5th, 2013 at 8:12 pm
If you listen to certain former players, you would swear the GMC is a bum. When I see the guy, he is always the first guy in the backfield unless there is a stunt of unblocked blitz player. Many times he is just blowing up the middle and the RB is running away from him. That tells me that contain is horrible.
Many problems on the line but GMC aint one of them.
November 5th, 2013 at 8:14 pm
Draft Clowney with first pick … Give GMC some help. Fire the coach. Dom here or not GOT to improve the D line and change the scheme.
November 5th, 2013 at 8:17 pm
Easy now with the Teflon Dom praise for drafting GMC…who’s become a hell of a player. It was pretty much consensus that McCoy was the pick there…need met quality player. Where a good GM earns his loot is making great picks later on beyond the top 5. He’s shanked so many 2nd round picks…and 3rds…and 4ths ( Luke Stocker x 2) off the side of his foot that we’ve lost count. Signing free agents at a price way higher than the market dictates isn’t exactly a skill either. John Idzik is sending Dom a Christmas bonus for the 1st & 3rd he dished the Jets ( was any other team even remotely in he mix?) for Revis while getting his 12 mil off their payroll ( yes..The Domer bumped that up to 16 mil because a mil per game sounded cool…or something.)
November 5th, 2013 at 8:20 pm
Chris,
I give up. You obviously don’t get it, and probably never will. Not going to bother repeating myself.
November 5th, 2013 at 8:22 pm
@JonBuc,
Have you ever once considered that you have to pay more to bring a player to Tampa? If a player receives the same money, they are usually going to choose whoever has a better coach, and a better chance to be a winner. If you are a lesser organization (let’s face it, we are with Schitler running the show), you have to overpay. Besides, it’s not like we are over the cap or anything.
November 5th, 2013 at 8:32 pm
Hawaiian Buc:,
I will challenge your premise and offer up a counter. With the great weather, no state income tax, a great grass field ( yes…it matters some)- players should want to play in Tampa and have in the past. I can’t argue the Shiartano obstacle…that’s a pisser but soon to be over hopefully. Under the cap or not…that isn’t a reason to over-pay. Savings can be rolled over and one day there might be a qb worth throwing some $ at…although at this point I’d prefer to draft one.
November 5th, 2013 at 8:44 pm
I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again: zero credit for drafting McCoy. If the Lions took McCoy we would have taken Suh. We were drafting DL regardless, just a matter of who the Lions took. I know many including me wanted Suh to fall to 3, but obviously now its much better having McCoy. He’s not a lock for a 15 yard penalty a week.
November 5th, 2013 at 8:51 pm
No one is calling for him to be cut. Joe is just employing the old “some people say” trick that is a prime indicator of lazy journalism.
Damn that “rockstar” for knowing we had to go DT with the first pick and taking the leftover of Suh and McCoy. What guts! What moxie! What a…..(clutch your pearls, Joe!)…ROCKSTAR!!!
November 5th, 2013 at 9:01 pm
@JonBuc,
Those are definitely reasons to choose Tampa, but not real big ones in my opinion. Players want to win games and be successful. They want to be in the limelight. That doesn’t happen when you play for a team that isn’t any good. There are other grass fields in the NFL, many of which are much greener than ours. NFL contracts aren’t guaranteed, so these guys want to win and win fast, and be put in the best possible situation to succeed. If you were a good player entering the free agent market and Tampa and New England were offering you the same amount of money, which would you choose? Smart money says to go with NE, no? Of course it does. If you were a free agent WR and you had GB and TB offering you equal contracts, where would you go? I like Glennon, but I’d take A-Rod over him. Players don’t often care too much about the city itself, because they don’t have to live there in the offseason.
As for free agents wanting to come here in the past, that’s only true during our glory years. It’s been well documented to prove that. Tampa was where careers came to an end. Once we stopped winning, free agents stopped wanting to come here unless there was big money involved, and even that didn’t always work. Go ahead and let me know the last free agent that was dying to come to Tampa and play under the last 2 coaches.
November 5th, 2013 at 9:04 pm
The real story is that 3 TB players, all on defense made the cut. And yet we suck.. Scheme problem is obvious..
I like our defense core. Banks will be fine next year, Revis will also be in form.. Barron is playing better this year but don’t look too much at the stats because all the tackles means that we get no production from our dline and not much from our LB, except for LVD who’s the best at is position. Spence is good too.. i was hoping for Te’o to have a breakout year but he’s not the player I was hoping he becomes.. Goldson is still expandable in my opinion but we just signed him so we’ll have to stick with him for a year or 2. Foster is flat since the 2 last games, hopes he get its groove back
Glennon is doing good so depending on who’s on the board if we are not in the top 3 pick and assuming he continues to improve, I would draft a quality DE.. Let’s face it, bucs are a defense first team and I’m fine with it..
November 5th, 2013 at 9:12 pm
@HawaiianBuc – Some good points there, but I don’t agree with all of them. 1st, I don’t fault Dom when it comes to Banks getting MRSA, that has nothing to do with him. However, he did draft him in the 2nd round and he was thrust into a starting role, and so far has underperformed. One pick, through 8 games? He also gets burnt too, not sure if the MRSA effects his play that much, but he’s playing.
When it comes to not signing players, the GM is at fault. Yes, players can refuse to sign, or they can be swayed to go elsewhere. However, we are not talking about 1 or 2 players, we are talking about quite a few, including the FA’s I listed that could’ve added crucial depth if not starting roles had they been signed. Did all of them turn down a potential offer or get offered more elsewhere? The Glazers opened the checkbook for Dom and the only corners he got from FA were Eric Wright and Michael Adams. Really? How about getting no defensive lineman despite John Abraham and others being availabe.
As for failure to resign players, Michael Bennett is the obvious one. However, I think we under-appreciated the role Roy Miller played in Tampa. Wasn’t it GMC himself that said Miller was a crucial part of the D-Line? No he wasn’t a Pro-Bowler, but he had such great chemistry with GMC and the rest of the D-Line that he helped them performe better. Could’ve resigned him on the cheap, but no. His trades haven’t been spectacular either. Trading Winslow, Talib, and Blount for almost nothing. Winslow and Talib needed to go because of their baggage, but Dom failed to find suitable replacements before trading them. With Winslow it was Dallas Clark (good, but not long-term), and with Talib it was the Fearsome Foursome (Gorrer, Johnson, Lewis, and Biggers). So far Mike James has bailed Dom out for trading Blount. I remember Joe writing multiple times that it was a foolish trade considering the fact that Martin could get injured (which he did). They have all found suitable roles with their new teams.
As for the drafts, Dom was pretty good in 2012. He either has an eye for talent, or some good scouts. But a lot of picks haven’t been as good as GMC or Lavonte David, or Doug Martin. Look at Josh Freeman (1st rounder), Brian Price or Arrelious Benn or Da’Quan Bowers (all 2nd rounders), 3 rounder Myron Lewis, or Luke Stocker and Kyle Moore (4th rounders). The entire 2009 draft class was a failure, also trading a 2nd rounder for DJ Toes on the Line. Most of the picks past the 4th round have failed as well, save for Erik Lorig and Dekota Watson who have been serviceable but not great. I hope for the Bucs sake that James continues to develop into a good RB, so when Martin comes back we can have a 1-2 punch we’ve never had before.
Again, how many GM’s get to work with 3 head coaches on the same team over only 5 years? He didn’t hire Rah, but he did hire the other coaches, including Greg Schiano. We had an overhaul in 2011 firing all the coaches, and only 2 seasons later we are looking at another overhaul to get rid of Schiano and his college of coaches. Look, if Dom were a terrible GM he’d be gone already. He’s done some good things. Maybe the Bucs should pull a McKay type deal with him, im not sure. But we haven’t sniffed the playoffs since BEFORE Dom was here, since the Gruden days. I used to say that 2010 was no fluke, but clearly it was.
November 5th, 2013 at 9:19 pm
Hawaiian Buc:
You make some valid points and appear to be a smart if not a tart poster. Certain players aren’t going to line up at One Buc vs wanting to be part of The Patriot Way. That doesn’t change the fact that it’s part of Dom’s legacy. You defend him yet want him gone…I think. Maybe it’s more of a desire to be a master-debater :)… you engage early and often on this blog. When one looks at the Eric Wright signing, Nicks signing ( bad luck but potential bust nonetheless) and Revis trade thus far…the results are less that stellar. His draft history is pretty sub-par as well.
November 5th, 2013 at 9:22 pm
Joe,
McCoy sucks. 2 sacks LOLz.
Our whole line sucks.
I’ve never heard so much love spread on a guy for almost getting there… Only counts in horseshoes hand grenades and darts.
Gmc=bad pick
November 5th, 2013 at 9:26 pm
@Walkdaplank,
I don’t disagree with much of anything you wrote. Those are some strong arguments for sure. I’ve said this many times on this site, if Dominik gets fired, it’s justified. Bottom line is we haven’t won. I don’t believe it’s due to a lack of talent, but more so a lack of coaching. However, Dominik hired this fool, so that’s on him.
My biggest thing with Dominik and defending him is that I don’t know how much power he really has, and how much Schitler has. None of us do. If the Glazers have given Schitler all the power as to who he signs and gets rid of and all Dominik has to do is make the deals, then I don’t think you can pin that on Dominik. If Dominik just goes along with whatever Schitler says and he has the power to veto, then he needs to be out the door right there with Schitler. That would make him a very weak GM. I just don’t know if that is reality. I don’t think it’s too far fetched to believe that the Glazers gave Schitler the keys and are just having Dominik just chauffeur him around. Schitler seems like the kind of guy that would demand that from the start. But again, I don’t know.
November 5th, 2013 at 9:31 pm
@JonBuc,
I don’t know if I want Dominik gone. I debate that within myself all the time. I KNOW I want Schitler gone. If we have to fire the cooks in order to get rid of Schitler, then I’m all for it.
I disagree strongly with the Revis being a bad trade. The guy has locked down everyone he’s had a chance to lock down. Where was Steve Smith against us? Fitzgerald didn’t touch the ball for an entire half. He completely shut out his man against Seattle. Santonio Holmes got nothing. He’s given up one TD to Fitzgerald (top 3 WR in this league), and one to Deshaun Jackson where he clearly was expecting or supposed to get help. Hell, the rest of our corners give that up in one game. Who would we have gotten in the first round this year that would have done that? And he’s getting better every single week. Revis could be twice the player he ever was and I really don’t think it would matter with Schitler, because we would screw it up in the end anyway.
November 5th, 2013 at 9:49 pm
@hawaiiian buc everything you just told jonbuc is spot on. Revis was a very good trade. This team will get it together. Starting to remind me of the 96 season. And we all know what happened the next season.
November 5th, 2013 at 9:54 pm
Massachusetts has practically the highest state income tax in the land. The major reason why there is so many Massholes in Florida. I can see the $$$ benefit to a FA wanting to play in Florida (no state tax) over NY or Mass (extremely high).
November 5th, 2013 at 10:03 pm
Watch Schiano go on a 6 game win streak to close out the season and piss everyone off entirely. That sh!t would be hilarious. The Bucs lose that high pick and the Glazers retain Schiano for 2014. Ha ha ha ha. I’d laugh my ass off if that sh!t comes true. That would be just our luck.
November 5th, 2013 at 10:10 pm
Don’t forget he’s been really good despite the lack of talent around him on the line. Swap Atkins with that crazy talent around him and you will see McCoy’s numbers bounce.
November 5th, 2013 at 10:25 pm
Hawain ,
It was posted in an nfl article back in the winter. Dominik has final decisions on FA , trades, draft and the final 53 man roster. Basically schiano only has power of his scheme and the active game day roster.
It’s obvious Dom and schiano are not on the same page. Why? Dom just brings in players not working with schiano on how they fit the scheme.
November 5th, 2013 at 10:43 pm
Chris- when you know in your heart, that you don’t know anything about Football, PLEASE don’t post bad opinions about our players.
I wrote a McCoy post. But it’s vanished, so I’ll rewrite.
McCoy is the best DT in football. It’s not close. If our DEs were healthy and experienced- McCoy would have 8 sacks right now. If you watch- he is like an explosion on the offensive lines. On any pass play that takes 2+ seconds- quarterbacks have all learned to move right or Left. It’s just become standardly acknowledged, that the center of the line will be pushed backward every play.
I am hesitant to write this. Some of my fondest Football memories are watching Warren Sapp work. But I think his assessment was correct. McCoy is like a bigger Warren Sapp. His explosiveness is unique to today’s game
Lavonte David is becoming an Elite Talent. He’s everywhere! Sideline to sideline. A destroyer in both run and pass defense.
He reminds me of another player that I used to love!
We never had a Darrele Revis.
Now if just Clayborn/Bowers can get healthy- and grow into a Simeon Rice type!
November 5th, 2013 at 10:46 pm
Hawaiian,
“I don’t think it’s too far fetched to believe that the Glazers gave Schitler the keys and are just having Dominik just chauffeur him around.”
This is what I believe is what is happening. The reason I believe it is because in that “laughing stock” video Schiano said, Nobody in the league has a better working relationship than him and Dom. I don’t think Schiano is the type of guy that would have the best working relationship with some one that said “No” to him.
November 5th, 2013 at 10:59 pm
Forget about drafting a quarter back in the draft – the perfect storm has arrived for the Buc’s – Draft Jadeveon Clowney!! guys 6’6′ 274 runs a 4.46 http://tinyurl.com/m986ndj If they do, Then you will see McCoy with some Big sacks…just keep losing Buc’s and watch out for Atlanta! The closest team to the Buc’s right now who would draft him….We do not want Donald Penn trying to Block this Guy! – Lose Bucs Lose!! – sorry to those who feel winning is necessary – believe me, it isn’t…
November 5th, 2013 at 11:06 pm
Capt. Tim is neck deep in the Captain Morgan right about now:) I wish I could share the optimism. After a decade + of mostly mediocre to bad football…I’m dubious at best. Comparing McCoy and David to Sapp and Brooks is still tough for me to grasp. I know Sapp came on Thursday night football and gave McCoy unbelievable props ( un-Sapp like humility..I was proud of # 99 ) and David has some impressive stats piled up to this point in his career… I just think the comparisions and longing for yesteryear are a bit much. Blackmagic says this year feels like ’96… I sure as hell don’t see 6 wins coming and Greg Schiano is no up and comer like Tony Dungy was…they just don’t and shouldn’t be compared.
November 5th, 2013 at 11:06 pm
I also believe it because coincidently the drafts and overall talent have gotten better since Schiano got here. I really think Schiano should be a GM. So he cant coach. But he’d be a great GM if he could ever just get over himself and give a HC enough power to do their job.
November 5th, 2013 at 11:21 pm
Capt. Tim,
I know nothing about football, yet I only played the sport at the high school and college level. Only watch football, read scouting reports, etc. in my spare time. Yeah I don;’t know squat.
You say McCoy is a bigger Warren Sapp? Lol. Warren Sapp is about 15-20 Lbs heavier than McCoy and was faster and stronger.
McCoy has not lived up to the hype. His “explosions” off the line have come against weaker o-lines. That Seattle OLINE, who was beat up, I did not see McCoy in the backfield once, EXCEPT hitting Russell wilson in the helmet. Where was he Sunday because the entire line was invisible. He has his moments, but how does McCoy make others better? You have YET to explain this to me. How? Do Tell.
November 5th, 2013 at 11:23 pm
Also, you think Geno Atkins, JJ Watt, Ndamkung Suh don’t get Double Teamed? Come on. Suh has simply made Fairly look like a pro bowler next to him. Yet, we continue to complain how bad McCoy’s supporting cast is.
It’s laughable to say McCoy is better than Geno Atkins.
November 5th, 2013 at 11:27 pm
Capt. Tim,
You say Bowers and Clayborn can just “grow into a Simeon Rice type LOLOLOLOLOLOL. Neither even compare. If Clayborn is anything, he’s a complimentary DE, AKA Greg Spires. Bowers cannot even beat out Teo Neisheim, or however you spell it.
And you tell me I know jack. You compared McCoy to the Great Warren Sapp. LOL. This guy was great before Rice. Please just shut up.
November 5th, 2013 at 11:31 pm
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000211489/article/whos-ireallyi-in-charge-nfc-south-squads-seek-balance
Here you guys go. Dom has final say WHO makes the roster. Which is why clowns Benn, Lewis, and Freeman stayed longer than they should have.
November 6th, 2013 at 12:20 am
Good coaches find ways to utilize the best talents of players. You don’t forcefeed schemes. You build a scheme that best suits the talents that you have.
Any coach that forces a scheme on players won’t be employed for long. (Lou Tepper is Joe’s favorite example.)
Hell, Bill Parcells, a run-first coach if there ever was one, was throwing the ball 40 times a game when he had Drew Bledsoe in New England.
November 6th, 2013 at 12:24 am
Joe the guy was the 3rd pick in the draft. How much credit do u get ?
November 6th, 2013 at 12:51 am
A few comments.
Moving to Tampa Bay, Florida. Too hot and humid in the summer.
Too many old people and too many Canadians, and too many Republicans, and too many guns. 🙂
Terrible school system; some players are married and do have children. I have to assume that their wives have some say??
A long, losing tradition, and absolutely lately no stability or quality HCs. They must overpay to get good FAs. Sometimes I think these FAs are overrated because not enough consideration is given to who plays beside or around them. Would Sapp, or Rice been as good if one or the other was not playing. Another example is Sidney Rice with the Seahawks. In my opinion, Brett Favre made him. What has Rice really done lately. When you look at Revis you must be impressed because he is so smooth that he is almost gliding. He may not be worth $16 million a year, but he is superb football player.
I have read many comments about people not knowing anything about the game from those that claim they do. What are your credentials? Where and what level have you played? I played football, but I find some of these articles, like the one by Steve White, to be very educational and it teaches me something about the game at the professional level. Fortunately, I am able to re watch games so that I can concentrate on certain things.
What I would like to see more is opinions from coaches, and I don’t care if it’s HS, college, or whatever. I’m not talking technical information like teaching fundamentals. To me, the key to coaching at any level is handling players, treating them with respect, and not embarrassing them publicly, or on television. The VILE BULLY that the Bucs have for a coach possesses none of these traits in my opinion. He is an arrogant, stupid, mean, low self esteem person; just some supposed tough guy from New Jersey. He does not have the balls to discipline his better players. I despise him, and the sooner he gets fired the better. Wait until the MNF game.
November 6th, 2013 at 7:40 am
Blame Ian Beckles, who because he “played the game” and was right about Gaines Adams, feels McCoy is soft because he let a guy push him in the face.
I like Beckles, I really do, but sometimes his ill preparation and opinions irritate me.
November 6th, 2013 at 8:05 am
@chris
Thanks for that link. So, Dominick has full control of the roster.
Interesting, veeerrryyyy interesting.
November 6th, 2013 at 9:35 am
Ok so joe you build a scheme around the players you have. You keep bringing new players that don’t fit , how do you build continuity?
November 6th, 2013 at 10:18 am
@ Chris……you really are clueless. Sports writers don’t have any skin in the game when they say McCoy is the best 3 technique in the game. If we had any defensive scheme that would use him correctly and if we had DE’s that we’re doing their job and keeping the QB contained McCoy would probably have double digit sacks by now. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen McCoy blast through the line only to have the QB casually roll out of the pocket and away from the pressure because their was no pressure coming from the outside, only the interior. The reason Simeon Rice and Sapp worked so well together is if Sapp flushed the QB out of the pocket Rice was their to make the sack and when Rice kept the QB from leaving the pocket Sapp was there to get the sack. You have to have good TE’s for even a great DT to get sacks. Hawaiian has been trying to explain this to you but you just don’t get it. And by the way…Suh only has 1.5 more sacks than McCoy. 10x better???? Are you challenged at math too? I’d take McCoy over Suh all day long. McCoy is much better at his job and a much better person.
November 6th, 2013 at 11:48 am
Annnd the Bromance continues! lol. We get it Joe, you REEEALLY like “Rock Star”, and he HAS had a few hits on draft picks and still fewer on free agent signings, but let’s look at his overall body of work. I think he should be kept and promoted much like McKay was in Atlanta. Hire a REAL football man to run the evaluating side and let Dom control the contract side.
November 6th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
Bobby weren’t you clueless when I explained josh freeman to you? Believe so pal.
November 6th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
McCoy wasn’t even a dominate pass rusher at Oklahoma. What makes you think it’s just the scheme? If he played in a different scheme he’d be a double digit sack guy? Too many what ifs my friend.
November 6th, 2013 at 12:40 pm
Hawaiian-agreed. This team has talent. It is the bull headedness of this Staff that is the problem.
And they don’t learn!!
November 6th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
Chris- lmao!
All that claimed education, and none of those halls of higher education taught you how to read!
I said I agreed with SAPP’S assessment of McCoy. He stated, In a post here at JoeBuc, that McCoy is a bigger version of him- same skill set
Sapp was barely 6′. McCoy is 6’5
Sooo, who do it believe. The Great Warren Sapp, or a clueless dumbass that can’t read??
Lol! Not so hard!
November 6th, 2013 at 2:11 pm
Bobby,
Geno Adkins, Ndonkeykong Suh, Henry Melton.
^^ All more productive, and better, 3 techniques.
November 6th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
McCoy is nothing like sapp. So mccoy is taller. Big deal. He wasn’t a dominate pass rusher at the college level. So it’s the scheme that prevents him here? The scheme isn’t great but I highly doubt with better coaching he’s the beat DT in this league.
Like Stevek said above. Those guys are better and handle double teams much better.
Also sapp didn’t have rice his entire career and still dominated before he got there.
November 6th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
Where’s the Revis and David love? They both made the mid-season PFF All-Pro list as well.