Unloading Josh Freeman
October 1st, 2013
After talking with a Bucs suit last week, Joe got the distinct impression that the Bucs were content to wait until the trade deadline to move defrocked franchise quarterback Josh Freeman, reasoning that whatever market there was for the Kansas State product could increase.
Additionally, if a playoff contender’s quarterback went down with an injury, that quickly would create a primary suitor.
Apparently, those plans have been scrapped. Ed Werder of BSPN fame keeps his ear to the railroad tracks of the NFL and hears from other teams’ general managers that the Bucs are trying to move Freeman like a telemarketer tries to sell aluminum siding to old ladies.
@Edwerderespn: Source says Bucs have called nearly dozen teams about trading Josh Freeman and indicated plan to reach out to all 32 by end of today
Given all the he said/she said nonsense the past four or five days, it appears the Bucs are willing to eat whatever cash they have to ensure Freeman is gone.
Also, the notion that the Bucs are leaking information to damage Freeman, Joe just cannot wrap his head around that. Exactly what do the Bucs have to gain by making Freeman virtually untradeable? Not a damned thing. It just doesn’t make sense.
Want to find out who may have leaked Freeman’s NFL drug program participation? As always, follow the money.
October 1st, 2013 at 10:40 am
All 32 teams? So they’ll call themselves? Good to know.
October 1st, 2013 at 10:43 am
That locker room is a mess fire greg schiano
October 1st, 2013 at 10:43 am
“Also, the notion that the Bucs are leaking information to damage Freeman, Joe just cannot wrap his head around that. Exactly what do the Bucs have to gain by making Freeman virtually untradeable? Not a damned thing. It just doesn’t make sense.”
Thats what I’ve been saying all along. The Bucs and Schiano have absolutely nothing to gain. The answer is that these people are blinded by their hatred of Schiano, they’re willing to throw logic and intelligence out the window and act like rabid monkeys on adderall.
Cue the “fire schiano” comments
October 1st, 2013 at 10:45 am
Work your magic Dom. Get rid of the bum so he can stink it up for someone else.
October 1st, 2013 at 10:45 am
Is anybody else really sad about this season?
I was so hopeful.
This season and all its drama is just depressing!
October 1st, 2013 at 10:48 am
Joe still needs to publicly apologize to Boomer Esiason for lambasting him and questioning his common sense, integrity, etc, on more than one occasion regarding Freeman’s off-field habits. Esiason, and others, have been proven correct in a MAJOR way through recent events. Joe has been proven wrong. Period. I’m a long-time reader of JBF but when you’ve screwed up you need to own it.
October 1st, 2013 at 10:49 am
Good move. Head off a NFLPA investigation and prevent a possible lawsuit. And above all else, get out of the news and for god’s sake, try to win a game.
October 1st, 2013 at 10:49 am
Awesome … Trade him so he can win with another team.. Lol 1 of 10 passes last year with 4000 yards … Great job ! *sarcasm*
October 1st, 2013 at 10:50 am
You want to know why Joe? You want to know why Dominik is pushing the envelope for Freeman’s trade?
The confidentiality of Freeman’s medical status has been violated, and he and the NFL Players Association plan to take action.
He’s hoping if they expedite a trade that Josh will drop the investigation.
October 1st, 2013 at 10:50 am
Passers
October 1st, 2013 at 10:50 am
Getting the info out there that Freeman is on a proscribed med and not an illegal drug as previously rumoured is very much in the Bucs’ interest, trade-value wise. I get that it took an additional statement from Freeman to clarify the facts. But having the info out there instead of the rumours helps the Bucs get better value and Freeman get a new team. ADHD and seeking treatment looks better than coke fiend for everyone involved. Just saying.
October 1st, 2013 at 10:51 am
I agree it makes no sense for the bucs to release the drug program info.
Neither did hiring a guy from Rutgers and installing him as head coach in the NFL.
But, that is besides the point.
October 1st, 2013 at 10:51 am
@FLBoyInDallas
Apologize? Joe wont even acknowledge he was wrong about Freeman getting benched this season. Do you really expect him to apologize? LoL
October 1st, 2013 at 10:51 am
I believe the info was leaked to justify them washing there hands of Josh. I find it hard to believe that Glennon gives da Bucs the best chance to win. The offense is so predictable the league has caught up to what we’re doing & we have no answers for it.
October 1st, 2013 at 10:52 am
Elijah …. Too late .. Nflpa is all over it … I do wonder if Ahmad black had something to do with it… Funny he was cut and was playing a lot ..?
October 1st, 2013 at 10:52 am
Glazers told Dominik to accept best offer and TRADE HIM TODAY.
They must hate this negative publicity.
October 1st, 2013 at 10:52 am
If I was paranoid I’d call the leak and Freeman response a collaborative PR effort on behalf of the team and his agent. Or maybe I should quit watching xfiles reruns.
October 1st, 2013 at 10:52 am
Tennessee Titans called, offered some old Johnny Cash CDs
October 1st, 2013 at 10:54 am
Joe….in your opinion has Schiano destroyed the Team ?
October 1st, 2013 at 10:54 am
I just figured out why Josh relesed the info on his drug program. Lets look objectively if we can. Either it was the team, or it was Josh.
1. Does it make sense for the team to release the info? I would argue no, releasing the drug program enrollment without any supporting details torpedoes his Trade value. Why would a team want to torpedo their own trade value?
2. Why would Josh release this info on himself? Well for starters, its actually a non-issue. he’s taking ADD medicine (which should help with his concentration and alertness). Also it percieves to damage his trade value. Josh doens’t want to wait to the trade deadline, he wants out now. ESPN is now reporting he’s asked to be released. Why release him when they can trade him? Well, if the trade value is gone, then releasing the cancer is the only option. If Josh waits to the trade deadline, he’ll certainly be a backup somewhere. If he can get released now, he can sign somewhere and have enough time to be a started for the new team.
You so the math
October 1st, 2013 at 10:55 am
@raph
@Edwerderespn: Source says Bucs have called nearly dozen teams about trading Josh Freeman and indicated plan to reach out to all 32 by end of today
There’s your proof. I guess Dominick WASN’T fielding any calls. He is making them.
Saying the Bucs leaked anything is just the same excuse laden drama that we have heard from the Freeman folks. Golden boy has yet to make a mistake.
The sooner he is unloaded the better. Every single one of them can take their ball on move on to the nexts teams website.
October 1st, 2013 at 10:55 am
Chris Mortensen’s report is sourced by “league and player sources with knowledge of his status.” It is entirely possible, and much more probable, that a team interested in acquiring Josh Freeman found out his status and leaked it to Mort, hoping to knock down any possible asking price for the quarterback. Although, it is always possible that Greg Schiano is just that big of an a**hole.
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I’ll go with the later reason. This guy still thinks he’s coaching in the Big East. Not to mention, the more garbage he and his minions spread about Freeman, the less the focus is on him and the pathetic job of coaching he’s done since he got here.
October 1st, 2013 at 10:57 am
@mrpatrick
While it’s offensive to ol’ Johnny, I would still take it!
October 1st, 2013 at 10:57 am
^^^ works for me …. Josh will be in the playoffs …
October 1st, 2013 at 10:57 am
I wanna know what exactly did Josh do or didn’t do to deserve this BS!? Mark needs to step down & Schiano needs to be fired for the way they have handled this.
October 1st, 2013 at 10:58 am
@jb
That’s the thing. Releasing the info does nothing to help him and his staff. Wins are the only thing that will do that.
But, by all means, carry on with the witch hunt.
October 1st, 2013 at 11:00 am
Given the mass of awful press coming out on the Bucs in the past month, I would say there is someone who has it out for Greg Schiano and/or Mark Dominik. This mess has done nothing but make Freeman look like a train wreck, Schiano like an incompetent craven, and Dominik like he’s completely lost control of the organization. For any of their camps to leak this info, they would have BADLY miscalculated the consequences. Schiano is looking more and more like a goner.
October 1st, 2013 at 11:00 am
So let me get this straight, everyone is wrong EXCEPT Freeman?
Glazers?
Dominick?
Schiano?
Sullivan?
I was wrong. It’s not Dominick that’s teflon. It’s clearly Freeman.
October 1st, 2013 at 11:01 am
Oil Derrick Brooks
If wins are so god damn important then why didn’t Himmler keep Josh in to play against the crappy Cardinals?
October 1st, 2013 at 11:03 am
This is why Tampa will always be a bottom league team, everytime we get good talent we run them off. Once again we’ll start over lookin for a franchise QB.
October 1st, 2013 at 11:04 am
Using the Schiano hater/Freeman lover logic in reverse:
Josh Freeman leaked the drug information on himself so that all of the Schiano/Dom haters would blame them and sympathize with Freeman.
That makes as much sense.
As for getting rid of him, I still wait until the deadline. His earned salary is less and something may happen to create the need. Just deactivate him…send him home like Keyshawn.
October 1st, 2013 at 11:06 am
This sounds like either Freeman’s camp releasing the info to make the Bucs look bad (ala Tynes’ wife smashing them when Tynes can’t even prove he wasn’t patient zero), or a local reporter telling Mort to make Schiano look bad as a way to help get Schiano out and give them more access. Neither would surprise me, and I don’t really care. I just want this mess cleaned up ASAP so the organization and fans can move on.
October 1st, 2013 at 11:08 am
Oilderrickbrooks …, teams were inquiring a few days ago …waning they were looking into it ..
October 1st, 2013 at 11:08 am
FIRE SCHIANO!!!! I LOVE JF5!!!!FIRE SCHIANO!!!! I LOVE JF5!!!!FIRE SCHIANO!!!! I LOVE JF5!!!!FIRE SCHIANO!!!! I LOVE JF5!!!!FIRE SCHIANO!!!! I LOVE JF5!!!!FIRE SCHIANO!!!! I LOVE JF5!!!!FIRE SCHIANO!!!! I LOVE JF5!!!!
October 1st, 2013 at 11:08 am
I hate this organization, there’s no real leadership. We want Buccaneer Men here which is another way of sayin we want yes men. I want Josh to stay but I hope he goes somewhere & shows his a@s off! So once again we’ll look like a stupid team.
October 1st, 2013 at 11:10 am
@elijah
Ohhhhh, I don’t know…..maybe he looked at his 21-35 record as a starter?
Or he looked at his terrible passing accuracy? Or how he stares down his first option without progressing to 2, 3, etc?
Or the lack of touch on screens and swing passes?
Or not getting it to guy’s in space so they can get YAC’s? It’s always up high or in the dirt.
Or maybe he looked at his commitment to being great. Was he watching film on last Tuesday, his off day? (no, that was the rookie doing that).
Or he noticed his franchise QB slept though the team photo? Or that he didnt show for the first day of his own youth camp?
So, w-l record, stats, and off the field. But, I’m sure those three areas aren’t enough for you.
Did Glennon make mistakes? Sure, it was his first game? Will he improve faster than a 1st rounder with 56 starts under his belt who is still inconsistent? I guarantee it.
October 1st, 2013 at 11:14 am
Who gives a fck about the past. Josh would have beaten the CARDS. We would be 1-3 NOT 0-4 ^^^^
October 1st, 2013 at 11:14 am
A no fault mentality is the best course of action right now. Cut or deal Freeman TODAY!
This debacle is ripping our team apart.
October 1st, 2013 at 11:14 am
Oil Derrick Brooks Says:
October 1st, 2013 at 10:58 am
@jb
That’s the thing. Releasing the info does nothing to help him and his staff. Wins are the only thing that will do that.
But, by all means, carry on with the witch hunt.
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Which witch hunt are you referring to? The one Schiano started in the offseason re: Freeman? No one’s saying Freeman is blameless at all! BUT, Freeman’s not the one that keeps losing the close games where we’re on top with 2 minutes to go, only to lose because of the head coaches cluelessness re: NFL play.
Go ahead and keep backing up this loser! Nothing’s going to really change until there’s a complete housecleaning @ One BUC Place anyway!
October 1st, 2013 at 11:15 am
It is entirely possible, and much more probable, that a team interested in acquiring Josh Freeman found out his status and leaked it to Mort, hoping to knock down any possible asking price for the quarterback
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Makes much more sense than anything I’ve read so far.
October 1st, 2013 at 11:23 am
@elijah
“Who gives a fck about the past.” LOL.
Yes, it’s a one game season. You are totally right, GM’s and coaches never look at a past players performance.
Honestly,
There’s absolutely nothing that could happen that could change your support for him, is there? You are ALL in for Freeman, correct? Seriously. Is there absolutely anything that Freeman could do on or off the field that would change your opinion of him? Arrest? Suspension? 6 pick game? 35% completion average? ANYTHING?
I had my doubts when he was drafted. But, his second year gave me hope. But, since then, I just can’t take the up and down nature of his play. I expect more from the franchise QB. I also expect more off the field. I want a leader. Not a guy who likes to hang out. (especially if you are not lighting up the competition).
And, even up to this season, even though I had doubts, but I was really hoping he would change. But, you know, at some point in life, you realize that you are what you are. I’m not sure your age, so, maybe you haven’t had enough life experience to recognize this.
So, that’s my take. But, like I asked, I wonder if you would ever consider pulling your support for the guy?
October 1st, 2013 at 11:23 am
If anybody believes the spin coming out of the Freeman camp, I’ve got some swamp land to sell you.
October 1st, 2013 at 11:25 am
@jb
I never said anyone else is blameless. But, Schiano’s has been here a season and a quarter. The defense is already vastly improved.
This is Freeman’s 5th year. I have seen enough by now. I will give everyone at least 2 years. Freeman got double that.
October 1st, 2013 at 11:27 am
OIL
No he’s gone my support is for who is now our starting QB. But just because he’s gone doesn’t mean that I act like a complete @ss and run him into the ground. Himmler has gotta Go.
FIRE SCHIANO!!!! I LOVE JF5!!!!FIRE SCHIANO!!!! I LOVE JF5!!!!FIRE SCHIANO!!!! I LOVE JF5!!!!FIRE SCHIANO!!!! I LOVE JF5!!!!FIRE SCHIANO!!!! I LOVE JF5!!!!FIRE SCHIANO!!!! I LOVE JF5!!!!FIRE SCHIANO!!!! I LOVE JF5!!!!
October 1st, 2013 at 11:30 am
@Elijah
I am not sure where I might have guessed you were young in age. You seem quite mature. This was a very deep and thought provoking discussion with lots of background data to support your general feelings.
Keep up your complex analytical style. It will take you everywhere.
October 1st, 2013 at 11:32 am
The other 31 GMs in the league today have notified their secretaries “if Mark Dominik calls, I’m not here”.
October 1st, 2013 at 11:33 am
Why?
First, Boomer didn’t say who told him this info. That is hearsay and gossip, nothing more.
October 1st, 2013 at 11:33 am
“doesn’t mean that I act like a complete @ss and run him into the ground. Himmler has gotta Go.”
Also, the fumes of irony are overwhelming in here.
October 1st, 2013 at 11:35 am
The Bucs had nothing to gain throwing out the “drug program” to the press. Josh had nothing to gain either, which is why he came out with his statement for damage control. This had to be somewhere else, either another team looking to acquire Josh on the cheap, or someone inside the Bucs organization that might benefit from Josh being gone. I have no idea who “leaked” the story, but it would actually make sense that a rookie QB might make the rookie mistake of letting someone in the press know about the drug testing being done, not thinking of the consequences to the team or Freeman, not thinking it would hurt anyone, just a comment… oh and he’d benefit from absolutely no competition at the position for the remainder of the season as well. That rookie QB would not know why Josh is regularly going in for testing as he wasn’t around the past 5 years (other players may know of his condition and not say anything… because they know what’s up). I’m not even saying anything was intentional. But rookies do make mistakes, and talking to the press could be one of them. This is all speculation (as is most of the reporting these days). I’m not throwing anyone under the bus, just posing another possibility.
October 1st, 2013 at 11:37 am
Our d is worlds better josh was a mistake , let’s move on And win some games. Coach is good enough. And so is gm go bucs
October 1st, 2013 at 11:38 am
JAX needs a QB bad. A late round pick and Bucs paying half his salary should do the trick…just sayin.
October 1st, 2013 at 11:40 am
“Being able to reason is what makes a person smart.”
Even more irony. Please continue hanging yourself with your own words.
Please don’t quit posting. This is horribly entertaining. Your “reasoning” is totally killing it today!
Whereas, I just mashed a bunch of words together. It’s not like the meaning behind them was anything less the non-nonsensical, amirite?
Please, enlighten us more with this “reason” you possess.
October 1st, 2013 at 11:40 am
“Why?
First, Boomer didn’t say who told him this info. That is hearsay and gossip, nothing more”
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Joe,
Chris Mortensen didn’t say who told him the info either. You said last year Esiason was misguided, but you didn’t say that about Mort yesterday. What’s the difference?
Mortensen didn’t spread any disparaging rumors about Freeman. How do you not see that.–Joe
October 1st, 2013 at 11:45 am
Joe,
Esiason didn’t spread any rumors either. If something is true, it’s fact. How do you not see that?
You really need to go back and see what Boomer said. –Joe
October 1st, 2013 at 11:46 am
Joe ,
Has Schiano destroyed the team ? Opinion please ..
When the team stops playing hard, then Joe will have an answer for you. -Joe
October 1st, 2013 at 11:47 am
I can’t figure out why some people immediately turn to name-calling simply because someone doesn’t share the same opinion as them. Do you call your wife/girlfriend/boyfriend names because they don’t agree as to when you should take out the trash? Intelligent arguments go much further around here than simply cursing at someone and accusing them of things.
October 1st, 2013 at 11:50 am
@mver
Some people bring a butter knife to a machete fight. It’s all they have.
October 1st, 2013 at 11:52 am
Schiano doesn’t want to lose
The locker room that why he’s
Painting freeman as the cancer
October 1st, 2013 at 11:57 am
Listen to you guys. Thats all you do is call JF5 names. You people are the dregs of society when all you can do is sit here all day and trash JF5 like he’s some kind of monster.
October 1st, 2013 at 11:58 am
Youngbuc, Freeman had already lost the locker room, hence the team not voting him a captain. Schiano could care less about making friends, and that’s why people think he’s such a bad guy. The guy cares about winning, and that’s all. Have you heard anyone stand up and defend Freeman?
October 1st, 2013 at 12:00 pm
BS^^^^If thats the case then why didn’t he start Freeman over the Cards with a more sophisticated game plan than the watered down crap he gave us with MG8
October 1st, 2013 at 12:07 pm
elijah, tonytwobits, tupac shakur wannabe…blah blah blah
October 1st, 2013 at 12:11 pm
crap, here, not HEAR. Not like he would catch it, but, I do.
October 1st, 2013 at 12:12 pm
lightningbuc, Richard Chase, Jeffrey Dahmer, Albert Fish, Dennis Rader, Ted Bundy wannabe…blah blah blah
October 1st, 2013 at 12:14 pm
And, you are hear to decide how everyone else should see it too, right?
If someone else “calls it like they see it”, then they are a “dreg of society”, but, just not you. You are able to decide who deserves it, but, just not anyone else.
You have the logical ability to surmise who can be called names, and who should be protected from name calling? (example: Josh Freeman) But, everyone who disagrees with you is wrong?
That’s a sound argument if I ever heard one.
October 1st, 2013 at 12:15 pm
When you crap all over a person they end up smelling like crap. That’s what all of you insensitive morons are doing to JF5 future career. All of you act like, Well if we don’t want JF5 nobody can. He’s gone, quit crapping on him.
October 1st, 2013 at 12:21 pm
“When you crap all over a person they end up smelling like crap.”
Take your own advice to heart. Step aside from your feelings for just a moment and reread your own posts in this thread. Write down who called who names. Then reflect. Tell me if you notice anything.
What names did I call Josh? Himler? Dreg of Society. Tell me what these absolutely horrible names that Josh Freeman has been called.
And, now, what names did you use?
October 1st, 2013 at 12:22 pm
“BS^^^^If thats the case then why didn’t he start Freeman over the Cards with a more sophisticated game plan than the watered down crap he gave us with MG8”
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I have absolutely no idea what this means in response to my post. The only thing I can assume you’re referring to is that Freeman gave us less of a chance to win, to which I would reply that Freeman would MAYBE give us a better chance for one game (I say maybe because he has not proven that is a given to this point in the last 8 games). However, Freeman had already lost the locker room (look at VJ’s body language, Mike Williams’ comments regarding Glennon being the most prepared QB he’s seen, and the previously mentioned fact that the team didn’t vote Freeman a captain for proof).
Therefore, Freeman was not the long-term answer at QB for the Bucs, so the ENTIRE ORGANIZATION made the decision to bench him. That’s the point many fans are missing here. Schiano and Dom sat down with the owners of the team, who agreed that Freeman was done, and then the captains agreed it was the best move as well. So everyone needs to quit trying to pick sides here and just support the team, and hope it gets resolved in a quick manner so that this drama can be finished, allowing the team to move forward.
October 1st, 2013 at 12:28 pm
“I have absolutely no idea what this means in response to my post. ”
You have no idea how hard I just laughed.
October 1st, 2013 at 12:39 pm
you said,
The guy cares about winning, and that’s all.
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I said,
If thats the case then why didn’t he start Freeman over the Cards with a more sophisticated game plan than the watered down crap he gave us with MG8″
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You said,
I have absolutely no idea what this means in response to my post.
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I say,
Do you get it now?
October 1st, 2013 at 12:44 pm
By the way all of you trolls that like to remain on the back pages to snipe peoples comments in privacy should bring your pansy @sses up to the front page. Cowards
October 1st, 2013 at 12:46 pm
Dude, he already answered all of that in the response. Did you stop reading after the first sentence?
I know you get all bent out of shape with words, but, until we develop some sort of telepathy, this is what we are stuck with: English language words.
He responded about the best chance to win, etc.
October 1st, 2013 at 12:47 pm
You responded to one sentence of the entire first post (which I answered in the second post), and then you failed to comment on the two paragraphs written in the second post. Well said again.
October 1st, 2013 at 12:47 pm
Again, name calling bad for everyone else. But, ok for you. Not hypocritical at all!
October 1st, 2013 at 12:50 pm
Did you read what mvermulm said @ 12:22?
He responded directly to what you said @12:09
You never said anything about what he posted at 12:22? You simply reiterated what you previously posted.
GET IT NOW?
October 1st, 2013 at 12:57 pm
If Diminik called me about Raheem jr.
“Straight to voicemail”
Then I would call my phone company and have h blocked or change my number. No one will take this guy off our hands.
October 1st, 2013 at 12:58 pm
hmmm…what does the team have to gain by leaking information about Josh Freeman? Perhaps you have a member(s) of the Glazers who dont believe Josh Freeman could possibly be as bad as the head coach is describing…therefore the head coach sets about using the rough parts of the beginning of the season to make it appear the QB is worthless.
That doesn’t do the trick, so he changes the teams vote for captains – to make it appear that Josh’s teamates have lost faith in him.
Even that’s not enough, the owners keep talking about how much money they’ve invested in a QB that just before YOU arrived coach, this guy 26 TD’s and 6 INT’s, last year became the first QB in Bucs history to have a Top 10 Offense, and first EVER to throw for 4000 yds…
…so he spreads rumors that when Josh missed the team photo, he seemed a little “high”….and suddenly, the national sports media somehow gets a story about NFL teams being skeptical about trading for Freeman due to drug allegations…
…thats how it happens – he’s used to working this way – see in college, you don’t trade a lot of players…you just set the QB up for failure and when he fails, you make sure everyone knows he was late, or you saw him peeing in a cup, oor you talk to their professor about making sure the QB loses academic eligibility, and you can pick brand new QB’s – every season – some seasons you can have TWO (i.e., fact: Schiano had 7 starting QB’s in 6 years…
You ask why the embicile of a HC would do something like this? Because someone didn’t listen to him the first time he demanded to bench Freeman – so he created the atmosphere necessary to prove to the fans and someone so powerful they could keep him from getting what he wanted.
I think you’re going to find out that not even Schiano thought he would get anything for Freeman – he expected Freeman to set on the bench till the end of the year and move on as a free agent – Schiano had nothing to lose. He doesn’t care if he gets anything for Freeman!
As a matter of fact, it would serve Schiano BEST if Freeman went to a team so far behind the Bucs that he wouldn’t be a threat to you.
He’s a control freak, who interprets any denial for something he wants as an attack on HIS authority and control.
So, pretty soon your colllege coach has thrown so much crap out there – not even the owner wants to keep Freeman anymore…especially when Freeman figured out what was going on and decided to go on camera and say he wanted a trade…
You will not see Freeman moved – Freeman knows his best chance to restart his NFL career comes from him doing his OWN free-agent search.
Besides, why would any team trade for Freeman? The only teams willing to trade now….are the ones with the highest draft picks…
Oh…and remember when Chucky benched Keyshawn Johnson….? It’s all been done before. The media is just against the player this time – not the coach…
October 1st, 2013 at 1:10 pm
“therefore the head coach sets about using the rough parts of the beginning of the season to make it appear the QB is worthless.”
So, if some are to be believed, Schiano is on this ice. You are saying he is purposely tanking things, ergo, putting himself on this ice. Yes, that seems likely.
“That doesn’t do the trick, so he changes the teams vote for captains – to make it appear that Josh’s teamates have lost faith in him.”
No more proof to that then the Josh Freeman drug rumors. I don’t believe he cooked the vote.
“…so he spreads rumors that when Josh missed the team photo, he seemed a little “high”…”
Is it a rumor if it happened? He did in fact miss the photo, and hasn’t more than one media broadcaster and others said he sounded like he was on something? If he sounded lucent, how is it an issue?
Regardless of what happens with Schiano, you guys are delusional if you don’t think Freeman did this to himself. He throws the bad passes. He has the option to come in and look at film. He wakes himself up and shows for the team photo (or not). He’s a grown man.
And, you think he won’t be traded? Interesting. I’m sure Dominick’s just felt like chatting up all the other GMs in the league.
October 1st, 2013 at 1:27 pm
That’s exactly right. I’m glad you opened your eyes. Schiano is the 800 pound gorilla in the room. Fire!!! Schiano!!!
By the way, we’ve all moved up, so you can stop sniping comments on the back pages like some kinda I gotta get the last word in troll.
October 1st, 2013 at 2:22 pm
“By the way, we’ve all moved up, so you can stop sniping comments on the back pages like some kinda I gotta get the last word in troll.”
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Says the guy who keeps coming back to make the last comment? Some of us are still having a conversation. It does not end simply because you are done. Quite frankly, some of us are glad when you are done.
White Tiger and Elijah,
All Oil Derrick and some of us are saying is that there is no reason to over react and think that the entire team is against Schiano. Glennon, by all accounts, has said he loves Schiano’s approach. The problem is simply that Schiano and Freeman have completely different personalities when it comes to how the daily parts of being a professional should be handled. Schiano does not believe that the backup QB should be the one that guys like Mike Williams are amazed by when it comes to work ethic, and Freeman was apparently doing just enough to get by as the starter (which would have probably been fine if he was playing great and winning games). Blowing up the entire organization right now would most likely have a devastating effect on the future of the Bucs, whereas replacing a QB who was playing sub-par football and missing team functions is easy to do.
October 1st, 2013 at 7:35 pm
Anyone who’s ever interviewed Buc players, has always commented on Josh’s work ethic, and film study.
I do NOT think the player leaked his private information – otherwise the NFLPA would NOT be conducting their own investigation. I can tell you THAT news sent a shockwave through 31 other organizations who don’t want ANY scrutiny from THAT particular organization.
Further – the drama that seems to be dumped daily now, no matter from WHERE it’s coming, illustrates to the fan base that there is a serious loss of control. I can tell you that the schedule will NOT be forgiving to the 3 round rookie QB – he faced his last “easy” team – and in the waning moments of the game he helped cause us to lose the game. As I think back to Josh Freeman’s debut, I am reminded that he had this funny knack of overcoming setbcks by rallying the Bucs to come from behind and WN games (i.e., HIS first game in the NFL). As a matter of fact, it began to be understoodthat BECAUSE of Josh Freeman’s penchant for the come back – you could never count the Bucs out.
Succesful NFL coaches in the NFL adapt their systems to the talent THEY HAVE – they do not, NOT change their top talent. Take a look around – when Belichick transitioned from Bledsoe to Brady.
The Patriots SIGNED Bledsoe to a (at the time) NFL record $103 million contract. Bledsoe was injured during the season, Brady stepped in and Bledsoe never STARTED another game. He DID however SAVE their Super Bowl season when Brady went down to an injury – Bledsoe was asked to step in. He did so by throwing the winning TD.
He was traded – to division rival Buffalo – at the end of the season.
See, this drama STARTED when some folks inside the organization conspired to cheat this kid out of something.
They would not been out a DIME if they’d treated him with resect and resigned him. They could have gotten a LOT more for him if they let him come off the bench to step in for an inured Glennon (due to his style of play and O-Line woes – this is a virtual LOCK to have happened) and no one would have, or could have, argued with the decision.
Even I would have conceded that the GM/HC have the right to change their team any way they want – so long as they treat the guys who hav taken it on the chin are treated with respect. I may not like it, I probably would have argued for Josh – but if you’re honest with the fans and respectful to the player – you could have won me over.
Instead these keystone cops completely trashed the player, disrespecting him in every way possible, and then expecting him to stick around and do whats right for his (soon to be former) teammates and organization.
If they don’t want the kid – then make the case that the team wants a pocket passer and doesn’t want the old QB to be a distraction to the new guy – then either bench him till the end of the season (and let him sit wherever the HECK he wants to sit), or cut him, don’t disrespect him – or those Buc fans who happen to also be Josh Freeman fans.
I spew vitriol because that regardless of intent – this fine young man has had his reputation attacked, he has NOT been treated as a former leader that the team has decided to move away from – he’s been kicked to the curb and disrespected – by two guys who are supposed to be LEADERS.
This was THE key guy in offense – whether they liked it or not – they owed THEIR reputation on treating HIM with respect. Let him leave with dignity – not kicked around.
I am left to conclude this was a job-saving, money-saving move. That EVERYTHING Dom and Schiano SAID they stand for is BOGUS.
This is also the takeaway the team will have very soon – like when the INT’s and the losses start mounting…again.