Sloppiness And Frustration Everywhere
October 20th, 2013
The Buccaneers’ voted captain and decorated Greg Schiano “Buccaneer Man” Vincent Jackson grabbed his defender’s face mask and pulled it to the turf in an effort to get open in the end zone on 1st-and-goal — 1st-and-goal — in the fourth quarter. That was astounding to Joe.
What a heinous display of frustration and sloppiness.
Is there that much angst and unprofessionalism flowing through the Bucs roster? Apparently so.
One must think that 11 penalties today is more evidence of a team whose head isn’t where it needs to be.
October 20th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
Freeman sucks compared to Mike Glennon.
How many awesome passes did he make.
Even the passes which were dropped were awesome. Right on the money.
If Glennon was playing all season we would have at least 2 wins.
October 20th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
Call for 3…twice?
FK u Schiano!!!
This experiment joke has ran its course!!!
CHIRP CHIRP!!!
October 20th, 2013 at 4:18 pm
The “hands to the face” call by the zebras just shows EVEN MORE reason to FIRE SCHIANO NOW!!!!
They HATE him and will continue to come at us like that as long as he’s here!!!
October 20th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
And another disgusting loss by the ironic Schiano and his high school team. Is it really questionable if he’ll be coaching here next year? The answer is obvious.
October 20th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
I’ve never seen a coach lose the fans so quickly. Everybody was on his side in the off-season. 6 games into the season and not a soul believes in him now.
October 20th, 2013 at 4:21 pm
What’s to believe in?
October 20th, 2013 at 4:22 pm
Ok glazers. You can stop punking us. It’s not funny anymore.
October 20th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
Lets just kick field goals from now on!!!
October 20th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
BOOOOO B!TCH….
October 20th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
Agreed, sloppy play and penalties killed us but on the bright side we put up some points in the 2nd half and scored the most points we have thus far this season. If we can clean up the penalties and continue to improve in scoring sooner or later we’ll get some wins (hopefully).
October 20th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
Good news alcohol sales must be up in Tampa Bay as we all drown our sorrows! At least we are helping the economy.
October 20th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
CHIRP CHIRP SHERIDAN!!!! Where in the friggin hell were you? CHIRP CHIRP!!!!
October 20th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
^drowning
October 20th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
Im rowning in hate right now Goodeolebucfan…..and Im only 8 beers in!!!!!
October 20th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
“If Glennon was playing all season we would have at least 2 wins.”
Nope, not with the “monster staff from hell” and it’s egomaniac head still here.
October 20th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
*drowning
October 20th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
I didnt want to believe it before but this team is every bit as bad as our record says we are. We are a Joke. It’s a damn shame.
October 20th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
Schiano is gone…..so is DOM…..Watch and see!!!!!!!
October 20th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
The looks of disgust on our best players faces, tel you how miserable they are playing for Schiano.
Good guys Vincent Jackson and Darrelle Revis both look angry and Nauseated.
I saw each of them talking to Schiano- and they looked angry.
My biggest worry is that Schiano will stay long enough- to cost us our best players!
One bad apple. We have so great players, a lot of good ones.
It’s the coach that’s stinking up the place
October 20th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
Why all the love for Glennon? No, he didn’t lose the game, but he obviously couldn’t win it either. Why all the excuses for him? Dropped passes not his fault? Penalties not his fault? Defense not his fault? But he’s the QB and supposed to overcome all that, why the excuses and acceptance? He gave up 7 points on the fumble. I think there’s too much “hope for a savior” blinding the fans from a mediocre performance enhanced by a great VJ catch of a poorly underthrown ball.
October 20th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
@Couch – Because this team is riculous. Of course people believed in him after improvin the Bucs to 7-9 from 4-12. We Bucs fans were talking playoffs in the offseason. Now look at us. 0-6, most undisciplined team in the NFL, a terrible secondary even though we have Darelle Revis and Dashon Goldson, no running game with Martin, and had a media circus. Wanna hear a joke? The Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
October 20th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
VJax was frustrated after being held and illegally contacted all day by defenders overreacted. I can’t blame Jackson and his dropsies. This is a lack of focus and discipline that is a result of bad coaching. At least the players are fighting and haven’t given up yet, but that day is approaching.
The Bucs’ secondary is terrible, top to bottom, including Revis.
I would seriously start trying to trade off players ASAP. All receivers are slow and the O line is bad.
October 20th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
Looks like we can mark this game as the official point at which the players gave up on Schiano, just like the did Raheem. This time last week I was saying that they should wait until the end of the season to change over everything, but it is already getting really hard to say that now. It’s embarrasing.
October 20th, 2013 at 4:32 pm
*ridiculous
October 20th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
“6 games into the season and not a soul believes in him now.”
The reasons are pretty obvious. 6 straight games lost in a most pathetic fashion. What is it now Joe, 11 of the last 12 lost ? ( Correction invited). No matter what you feel about Freeman, his ouster was handled in a piss poor manner, not to mention that, if he hated Free so bad, he should have done it before the season even started. Anyone got anything else ? Schiano could win out ( like that’ll happen ) and I’d still feel the same. Can we get ‘Father Dungy’ back ?!?!?! Please!!!
October 20th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
That guy in the picture needs a hug right about now. I’ll bet though that he has no ill feelings, after all this is what he wanted. And he’s a big guy, he can handle it. Even said so in his last presser – he has no trouble sleeping at night.
October 20th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
Glennon played well enough to win and looked better than any other Buc today besides David.
October 20th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
If that display of play calling at the end (2 field goals) by Greg didnt SCREAM “HEY, I GIVE UP”…..then WTH else should be done? Sciano announcing he quits while at the podium? Well, thats what he SHOULD do!!!
October 20th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
And for the record, Im happy with Glennon…..and he was robbed of a TD!!!
October 20th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
the next coach will have a pretty stacked team and excellent draft picks
October 20th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
The Bucs showed no comeback ability. Too slow, ran the clock out with no sense of urgency. Tick Tick Tick
October 20th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
Glennon will make a great backup – i.e. Ryan Mallett
October 20th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
fatass Donald penn = a joke
October 20th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
Doesn’t matter what Glennon “looked” like. He had some good throws, some bad throws, some drops by receivers same as all QBs. What he couldn’t do was give us a lead in the 4th, which our previous QB did regularly (including this year). If Glennon did that, you could possibly blame any other aspect of the team you want, but he doesn’t. Ooh, he’s got fire, passion, desire… So what? He can’t get us the lead. For being the guy that gives us “the best chance to win now”, I sure felt like we had a better chance against the Jets and Saints with the lead late in the 4th. Same last year against the Giants, Skins, Falcons, Eagles, etc. Now it feels like there’s no chance, like 2011.
October 20th, 2013 at 4:53 pm
Glazers do us a favor. You guys choose the GM and let the GM choose the coach!!!!!!!!! Dom = joke
October 20th, 2013 at 4:54 pm
He’s showing more than Freeman did already BamBam
Get over it
It’s not hard to see a QB playing well within a losing team and a QB playing awful within a losing team.
And yes your boy Free was awful compared to Glennon this season. What’s worse? Is that Free has over 50 starts compared to Glennon’s 3…
Atleast we can get a touchdown and hell, a firstdown now.
We get it, you love Freeman, good for you.
October 20th, 2013 at 4:55 pm
Blah blah blah
Glennon sucks
Blah blah blah
Freeman’s the best QB ever
blah blah blah
October 20th, 2013 at 4:55 pm
Maybe we can get lucky and Schiano will pull a Patrino and
Just quit. I can dream can’t I?
October 20th, 2013 at 4:55 pm
Glennon played the 31st ranked defense in the league, then he played a bunch of 3rd string scrubs on the leagues most injured Squad.
And HE LOST TO BOTH OF THEM.
Quit being an apologist. A good QB would beat those horrible teams. If he can’t beat them- who can he beat?
October 20th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
Time to bench every player that commits a penalty at least one play.
October 20th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
And on and on and on you go lol
October 20th, 2013 at 4:57 pm
Did more than Free would have done 😉
October 20th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
Glennon has shown that he can lose every game he starts, with 3 or 4 of Freeman’s jilted ex “Friends” hanging from his Jock.
Losing every game you start doesn’t get you an invite to next years camp.
Good rookie QBs win. Period.
Glennon has lost all 3. That won’t do, mister! Not at all
October 20th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
I could give two shits if Glennon is here next year
Apologist my ass
But I won’t here without saying anything while the Freemanites CONTINUE to make excuse after excuse after excuse.
Having the audacity to criticize ANY qb after the shiite Freeman put on the field week after week.
Doesn’t matter what you have to say about Glennon, because it still better than Freeman. Glennon’s shittiest game would be better than anything Free displayed on the field going back to last year.
October 20th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
I could give two fuks if Glennon is here next year
Apologist my ass
But I won’t here without saying anything while the Freemanites CONTINUE to make excuse after excuse after excuse.
Having the audacity to criticize ANY qb after the shiite Freeman put on the field week after week.
Doesn’t matter what you have to say about Glennon, because it still better than Freeman. Glennon’s shittiest game would be better than anything Free displayed on the field going back to last year.
October 20th, 2013 at 5:03 pm
I only care about The Bucs QB.
That’s Glennon, and he’s lost every game he’s started.
Time to show him the bench, and see if Dan O can get’er done!
October 20th, 2013 at 5:03 pm
Doesn’t matter, still better than anything Freeman could put out there 😉
By the way you suck at keeping you word.
Whats the matter you don’t know how to post without getting defensive and personal over your obi Freeman Captain Tim
October 20th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
For what it’s worth, Alex Marvez & Gil “The Godfather” Brandt talked about the likely Bucs coaching vacancy on Joe endorsed Sirius XM NFL Radio. Brandt is well thought of in NFL circles. He seems to think the Tampa opening will be a good one and coveted. Many of us(me included) are so battered right now we just don’t see it. Here’s hoping The Amish Boys get it right this time.
October 20th, 2013 at 5:05 pm
I should have known that would never happen Ahahaha.
October 20th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
If we are going to win a game anytime soon, it’s going to happen on Thursday. Thursday games give coaches very little time to prepare and game plan, which we don’t really do anyway.
October 20th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
Wow, Pr- Freeman hurt you, didn’t he?
Let without calling. No note, no flowers. Nothing.
Guess you are feeling pretty used.
Well, that’s sad. But I wish you’d take it to a post for the broken hearted, and quit carrying on with with your lil” I hate a Josh” campaign here.
It’s a football post, not a whining spot for the lovelorn
October 20th, 2013 at 5:10 pm
P.S.
Keep praying for the benching, but that’s all it’s going to be.. prayers.
It won’t become a reality like Freeman getting benched and cut was.
Maybe we’ll go a different direction AFTER this season but if he keeps progressing I doubt that will happen. If we do though, there’s plenty of options that would be better than what Free provided for us. Namely, EVERYBODY.
October 20th, 2013 at 5:11 pm
We should trade a 7th round pick for Josh Freeman, then he can be Glennon’s career backup.
October 20th, 2013 at 5:11 pm
Capt Tim & PR Buc Fan,
No QB is going to win with Schiano as HC. Not Freeman, not Glennon, not Brady, not Manning, not Montana, NOBODY. Despite him being called Dungy 2.0 by Psycho1987, he’s more like Perkins 2.0. The scheme is terrible, the adjustments are terrible, the in game coaching is terrible, the playcalling is terrible, the Rutgers personnel is terrible. Other than that, he’s fantastic. Let’s let him finish out the season, so we can get more guys hurt and disinterested.
October 20th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
Keep it coming Captain Tim aaaahahahaha
Very sad indeed 🙁
Shoulda known you were so wishy washy.
October 20th, 2013 at 5:14 pm
But wait what was I thinking?
I forgot you become a child once someone talks ill of your boi Free Free.
My bad.
I won’t make that mistake again.
October 20th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
That may be true Hawaiian
But atleast your able to recognize and have admitted that Freeman was playing piss poor.
October 20th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
We have much bigger problems than worrying about Freeman. Let it go. Everyone.
October 20th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
But I digress I have been amused enough by Captain Tim wishy washy ways.
Man that was a good laugh.
October 20th, 2013 at 5:21 pm
@Hawaiian
Do you honestly think that the Glazers will make the move.
I want to believe they will, but I think we may be stuck with this coaching staff till next year 🙁
October 20th, 2013 at 5:31 pm
@PRBucFan,
I think with a bad showing on Thursday they probably will. Being embarrassed on National TV would be really bad. However, I don’t want that to happen. I can’t cheer for us to lose. But if you ask me if I want to lose like the Jets game or like a Raheem Morris-like defeat, I’ll choose the latter. My heart can’t take much more of this.
October 20th, 2013 at 5:33 pm
I agree
October 20th, 2013 at 5:33 pm
Hmmm… let’s see if it’s better than Freeman?
Last year in Atlanta, we lost 24-23. Freeman went 19-30 for 256 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT. Glennon (a rookie) goes 26-44 for 256, 2 TD, 0 INT, 1 FL returned for TD in a 31-23 loss. Pretty similar.
A couple differences though. Glennon’s first TD was completely underthrown to VJ, who makes a great catch for the score (that was a “bad” thing for our former QB). 2nd TD was a whopping 23 yard drive setup by a muffed punt recovered by Watson. Glennon’s longest drive was 55 yards that led to a FG and we never held a lead in the game. Now, last year, we opened with an 81 yard TD drive including a couple 20+ yard completions. We also had an 82 yard TD drive that overcame a couple penalties, and included a 39 yard completion. That drive gave us a lead early in the 4th quarter 20-17 which we later improved to 23-17 with 10:30 left in the game. Now doesn’t that seem like a better chance to win than being down 31-17 in the 4th and only being able to get a couple FGs, not being able to move the ball more than 55 yards, not being able to overcome a few penalties or drops to keep drives alive…
Oh, but Glennon’s only a rookie, he “looks” good and has a “fire in his belly” that Freeman never had. I find that a bit humorous though when Freeman repeatedly brought the team from behind to take leads in games (only to lose a significant number of those late in the 4th quarter), and Glennon hasn’t come close to leading a come from behind, game winning drive, yet he has more “fire in the belly”…
Again, Freeman’s gone, Glennon is our QB…. that’s fine, I’d love the team to win with the guy we have, but Glennon is NOT the long term solution to anything. My goodness, Josh McCown was 14 of 20 for 204 yards, Thaddeus Lewis was 21 of 32 for 202. The great Chad Henne was 23 of 36 for 318. Lewis even got the win. Glennon isn’t in the top 20 of QBs in the league in any category broken down by average per game or attempt. His rating has him at 30th.
October 20th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
My big fear is that we are going to end up having some really good players put up some really bad film for the next coach, and they will be gone. I mean, if I’m the new coach, how can I be OK with Revis making $16M to cover a team’s 3rd WR? How can I be ok with a player like Goldson who has more personal foul penalties than splash plays? Why would I want to keep anyone on this OL? Why would I want to keep an invisible Mike Williams? Why keep Bowers (who I still think may end up being great with the right coaching, although I’m probably an idiot for feeling this).
October 20th, 2013 at 5:36 pm
Hawaiian, you nailed it. No QB will play well in this scheme. Which is why I go back to our former QB and say… If put in a different scheme, better suited to the individual QB, which QB gives the team a better chance to win now – Glennon or Freeman? If the answer is Freeman (in the right system), then the problem all along has been the coaching and we are now forced to not only change the coach, but probably draft a new QB which may require some time to build around and grow. This debacle has set us back at least one, if not more years.
October 20th, 2013 at 5:37 pm
I don’t think it’s possible for any of us to evaluate anybody on this team as long as Schiano is at the helm.
October 20th, 2013 at 5:37 pm
And you may be right. Glennon may not be the answer. We dont know that yet. But what we do know is that Freeman was not the answer…. Let it go. Glennon is his own guy. If you are so in love with Freeman. Then go cheer the vikings on to victory.
October 20th, 2013 at 5:41 pm
Again, I think you’re right Hawaiian. Improperly coached, improperly utilized players don’t give a new staff much positive to look at. This is why I’d love to see us go to an interim coach now. Change the schemes now. I don’t know how much of a difference it will make, we still have an O-line that is over-rated, a hurt RB with no real backup, no true #3 receiving threat. Our D may improve even more with a scheme change and using Revis and others better, but I don’t know how many wins that will translate to. Then we assemble our real staff for next year when the season ends, draft our future franchise QB and hopefully scheme to our players strengths. Maybe some of these guys will be able to show just enough to stick around and then return to form next year.
October 20th, 2013 at 5:49 pm
Couch, that’s just it… I’m not going to another team to cheer, I’m a Bucs fan. What I’m getting at is we HAVE to change this before we ruin anyone else. Freeman could have been the answer (we don’t know, but we do know that nobody is the answer in THIS system). We also know that Freeman was good enough to almost overcome this horrible offense and defense system multiple times in the two years he was here.
How many more players are we going to flush down the toilet that MAY have ended up being good players for us. Do we destroy Doug Martin by continually running him head on into a 1000 lb. meat grind behind the line of scrimmage play after play after play. Do we frustrate GMC or LVD to the point of having them leave for a “good” team when FA comes around?
The ONLY reason I keep bringing Freeman back into the conversation is because he is the latest player (following Bennett, Blount, Talib, etc) to leave this team that may NOT have been the problem. THIS is what I’ve been fighting about ALL off-season. Not that Freeman is the greatest player of all time, but that he was good enough to almost overcome a horrible system. What could he do in a good system???? We won’t find out here, but we better not wait so long to change that we lose other players as well.
October 20th, 2013 at 5:50 pm
*** two years he was here IN THIS SYSTEM***
October 20th, 2013 at 5:56 pm
BamBam, Hawaiian,
I think we need to be delicate with PR.
The way he mentions Freeman in every post- it’s obvious there’s some hurt feelings / heartache there. Monday night is gonna be really hard on the lil fella.
As for those of us who aren’t “emotionally involved”.
I think we can all agree that Schiano sucks. His schemes suck, and watching these good players try to win despite that sucks.
We need a new GM, New Coach, new staff.
Are we all pretty much in agreement
October 20th, 2013 at 6:05 pm
@Capt. Tim,
yes, total agreement.
October 20th, 2013 at 6:10 pm
I’d agree, cap. I don’t even think Glennon has to be very good to win if they change the systems. With a solid D using Revis properly, and better use of Martin I think Glennon could be good enough. He seems to have some chemistry with Wright as a 3rd option and Underwood was one of his preseason targets as well. We may miss out on Clowney, and even the top QB prospect, but we’d see a change of culture and players could get a sense of winning before we finalize our staff early next off-season.
October 20th, 2013 at 6:25 pm
BamBam, I think it is unfair to be too harsh on Glennon. He’s a rookie cast into his third game, with no starting reps in camp or prior to now as the backup. Now I agree that Glennon had no business playing now and the fact that he has been thrown into it is a colossal failure of Mgmnt. Dom and Schiano should both be cast off for this. I fear Freeman is going to light it up, but his inconsistency will manifest again soon.
This scheme sucks and if Peyton Manning was our QB, he’d throw it out the window on day 1.
I actually think Glennon is doing way better that Freeman did this year because Josh obviously didn’t want to be here. Is that Schiano’s fault? Somewhat yes, but as a pro getting big bucks, you have to be responsible and give max effort regardless of your feelings. Creme floats to the top and idiots tend to weed themselves out in time.
My number one gripe with Freeman is they got nothing for him. He had value still and could have brought a good pick if the Bucs were patient.
Our Team is the laughing stock of the NFL. A complete joke.
October 20th, 2013 at 6:26 pm
Oh the irony of your statement
I’m the one emotionally involved?
Says the one who turns into a child the moment someone says the truth about your man Freeman.
I will continue to include him in my posts as long as others continue to talk him up or others down as if he would be any better.
As clearly he’s proven he couldn’t do 😉
Again, you’ve proven your words carry no weight. Your wishy washy
All it took was a mention of Freeman in a way you didn’t approve for you to break your word and go right back to you childish ways.
No integrity. But i will keep to mine. No qualms with you Cap.
And that’s that, you can continue to give me all this attention though…
But I would rather you not. It’s quite easy to ruffle your feathers though ahahaha
October 20th, 2013 at 6:31 pm
BMA
You’ll soon learn it really wouldn’t matter if Glennon was putting up Manning-like numbers.
They still wouldn’t acknowledge it, cause they are still holding on to the fact that their favorite player got released.
It’s pointless lol.
But really this time. I’m out of this thread. For good ahahaha.
October 20th, 2013 at 9:12 pm
Quite untrue… if Glennon were lighting it up, leading us to wins (or even to a late 4th quarter lead that the defense gave up in the last seconds for a loss), I’d wouldn’t be on his case. (and I’m not really “on his case”, I just think he’s playing about as expected for a rookie 3rd round draft pick that wasn’t expected to do much).
I think the whole Freeman situation was handled poorly, and that if the coaches would scheme to the players strengths instead of stubbornly force the players to fit their scheme, we’d be doing better as a team, we’d see some wins, maybe a lot of wins. It’s not just Freeman getting stuck in an offense that forces him to turn his back to the defense on a play action every pass play, only sending two WRs out in routes to “sell” the run against 3 or 4 DBs and being expected to make it work anyway…. it’s Revis playing zone or playing man up against a rookie brought up from the practice squad last week instead of having him shadow the opponents best WR (in this case, the teams #3 WR that torched us for over 140 yards). Does Douglas’ numbers indicate Revis is a bad CB and should be benched, traded or cut? No, it means he’s not being used properly and the coaches aren’t scheming correctly to use his skills best.
Schiano has cared more about taping the players on the sidelines during games than practicing cadence and blocking adjustments and proper tackling during the week to avoid penalties during the game. He’s more worried about a bunch of school kids at practice than he is about what went wrong and how to fix it. I bet when he says “I’ll have to watch the film” it’s the sideline film to see who’s going to run gassers on Tuesday…
October 20th, 2013 at 9:35 pm
You morons do realize FREEMAN BEAT THIS TEAM LAST YEAR….and set a franchise record for passing yds…But this kid fumbles the ball away on his first play.. is somehow the savior!?!
October 20th, 2013 at 9:38 pm
Its possible to have a bad head coach and QB, that very well may be the Schiano – Freeman story.
I believe the next order of housecleaning should be Dominik-being a Glazer errand boy can only go so far.
I’m not thrilled about another regime change bc year 1 is usually an adjustment (meaning 2015 b4 hope) but I just don’t see how Schiano can recover from this.