Schiano: “Huge Strides” To Make In Discipline
October 22nd, 2013
Schiano admits his discipline program has yet to fully take hold
The head coach who last month said, “you can’t load the entire roster in a two-year period,” has now made it clear he needs more than two years to craft a disciplined team.
Joe can’t believe what comes out of Greg Schiano’s mouth these days. Hey, Coach. Just how long does the Schiano regime need to produce consistently solid football? Let us all know. Please.
Schiano responded on his radio show last night on WDAE-AM 620 to a Bucs fan who expressed a lot of frustration. One thing troubling the fan was team discipline, and Schiano quickly to the blame-Raheem card.
“Make no doubt. Make no mistake. There was issues on discipline on so many different levels in this organization when we took over. Have we made huge strides? No doubt. Are there still huge strides to be made? Absolutely. And we’ll continue to do that,” Schiano said.
How long did it take Jim Harbaugh to have a disciplined team? What about John Fox when he arrived at the quarterback-challenged mess in Denver? Things aren’t exactly falling apart in Buffalo or Miami? Raheem’s Bucs were pretty darned disciplined to win 10 games in 2010 with 10 rookies seeing significant playing time.
Joe’s not sure Schiano understands the modern-day timetables of the NFL. That’s awfully odd for a coach who insisted he has the “components” in place to win now.
October 22nd, 2013 at 9:43 am
Huge strides to make in your next gig Schiano….you’re done here!!
October 22nd, 2013 at 9:48 am
This is a problem that was developed over the off season. I dont recall penalties being anywhere near as bad as they are this year. Not even close. You can count on at least 1 hold/false start penalty every single drive.
October 22nd, 2013 at 9:48 am
You know things are bad when you start using Obama’s shtick.
October 22nd, 2013 at 9:50 am
This team looks LESS disciplined than Morris’ team. Its pretty amazing when you think about it.
October 22nd, 2013 at 9:50 am
I don’t disagree with his comment about issues being present from the last regime. I do question his ability to change anything for the better. He’s had more than enough time with proven players to implement discipline. And doesn’t this team consist of buccaneer men who have all been captains at one some point in their careers?
October 22nd, 2013 at 9:57 am
I’m not on the fire Schiano bandwagon….yet. But I’ll buy a ticket if we get spanked at home on Thursday. I still don’t see any reason to fire him in season if we go 0-7. Hell, it might be the best thing for the team in the long run to only win 1-2 games. Either way, probably time to start examining our potential draft picks. I like Mariota and Manziel at this point, especially after watching Bridgewater come up short against UCF. Of course its hard to argue against Clowney, and then maybe grab McCarron or Murray in the 2-3rd round.
October 22nd, 2013 at 9:58 am
Meh Says:
October 22nd, 2013 at 9:50 am
This team looks LESS disciplined than Morris’ team. Its pretty amazing when you think about it.
You must have tuned out in 2011. That was some of the worst football I’ve ever seen.
October 22nd, 2013 at 9:58 am
Sounds just like Obama blaming Bush! Take accountability Schiano!!!
October 22nd, 2013 at 9:59 am
I am rooting for the Bucs to lose Thursday as that should signal the end of Schiano here. All the callers to the coaches show were great. This team lacks discipline and has tuned the coach out.
October 22nd, 2013 at 10:03 am
Overcoached.
October 22nd, 2013 at 10:08 am
What do you expect him to say?….”I’m a good college coach that couldn’t make the transition to the NFL”….I deserve to be fired”…hell I’m so bad, I don’t think they should pay me according to my contract….I’ll just go home and retire early”
October 22nd, 2013 at 10:14 am
Just stop it. I am so sick of his rhetoric. Yeah, Coach, we get it…it’s everyone’s fault but yours. #FireSchiano
October 22nd, 2013 at 10:14 am
@ShutTheBuUp:
Statistically speaking Meh is correct. The Bucs currently average more penalties and give up more penalty yards per game than the 2011 Buccaneers did. When it comes to playing disciplined football this year’s team is actually worse.
October 22nd, 2013 at 10:20 am
I don’t fully blame Schiano for the penalties, as the players are professionals who get paid to do a job that they are often lacking at mentally. If I were messing up with MY job consistently, my boss would fire me. Schiano doesn’t fully have that leverage as a head coach (none do with certain players). It is going to take the guys like VJ and Williams not false starting, VJ not getting frustrated to the point that he commits a facemask penalty in the endzone, a backup lineman picking a player off the top of a pile, etc. before I fully blame Schiano. Most of the penalties are things that the coach has no control over. They are things that the players have known their entire lives that they are not allowed to do, so I put that on them.
I think it’s a mistake to change coaches every couple of years, so I would like to see Schiano get another year IF AND ONLY IF the team can show some improvement from here on out. Whether there will actually be any improvement, however, I’m not entirely hopeful for at this point.
October 22nd, 2013 at 10:21 am
In 2010 we won all those games against teams with losing records. But t guess people have chosen to forget that part of history.
ohhhh wait we beat new orleans in the last game of the season.
All we had to do was win agaist detroit who was 4-10 and playing with a back up quarterback drew stanton and we lost in overtime.
josh sucked in tampa.
October 22nd, 2013 at 10:23 am
Forget the discipline Schiano. That’s just window dressing. The real issue here is you are running a stale offensive system that fools no one and not putting your top players in a position to succeed. And you aren’t winning.
October 22nd, 2013 at 10:23 am
Yesterday during his radio show he said he was hired to bring discipline to this team. No you weren’t coach, you were brought in to bring wins and championships. If we were 5-1 and the most penalized team in the league I would care less. The problem is you said discipline is your forte, and if that’s the case you need to go cause you can’t even do that well. All you talked about was how well Glennon played, well you know what he was decent but 22 targets to one guy is scary. What happened to Tim Wright this week?! I would love to see us rattle off 10 wins in a row but it isn’t gonna happen we are out coached, out classed, and over matched in every game this year because of coaching. TIME TO GO
October 22nd, 2013 at 10:27 am
mvermulm-I agree
October 22nd, 2013 at 10:28 am
Bucs lost that game in overtime by a FG. Josh had an efficient game that day but if it makes you feel better keep hating on Josh Freeman. Sensible Bucs fans have moved on. He’s not the reason why this team is 0-6 this year.
October 22nd, 2013 at 10:31 am
I couldn’t disagree more with Joe and some of the other fans who claim Schiano will last the season regardless. We’re allowed to disagree except when it comes to Rachel Watson. I’ll never disagree there. Anyway, if we fail at home Thursday in the National spotlight, especially if we fail miserably, then the Glazers will have due diligence to take a stand. The time to make a change may be upon them because all Bucs attention particularly from the fans will be more negative attention and that’s not what this organization is about. Sadly, as anemic as our offense and as stout as Carolina’s defense is, I could see it happening.
October 22nd, 2013 at 10:32 am
Bet he didn’t say that during his hiring interview.
October 22nd, 2013 at 10:34 am
Greg takes pride in blaming others
October 22nd, 2013 at 10:38 am
Drome,
Efficient game? We needed someone to go out and act like a franchise QB take charge and impose his will.
what we got was a loss in overtime at HOME. I was at that game.
not a hater, I am a lover…..I am loving that josh is gone.
schanio is my hero for getting rid of a 6 , million dollar zero.
October 22nd, 2013 at 10:44 am
I guess you dont remember freeman was first and goal from the 1 yard line and could not punch it in.
freeman sucks.
October 22nd, 2013 at 10:47 am
Cmurda, the main problem I have with firing Schiano mid-season is that we don’t have a great replacement here who is going to make any difference.
Sully? – Running an outdated offensive system that isn’t utilizing anyone other than an over-worked Doug Martin and VJ.
Sheridan? – Still hasn’t figured out that Revis should be on the other team’s best WR. (Anyone see Revis walk directly to Schiano towards the end of the Atl game? I’d love to know what was said there.)
Wannstedt? – Probably the best option, but promoting the ST coach to interim tells the O & D coordinators they’re most likely gone at the end of the year as well, and the players that the organization has no faith in the two people in charge of the biggest aspects of the game.
Butch Davis? – Hasn’t he been Schiano’s right-hand man since last season? Why replace Schiano with the guy he’s supposedly turning to for advice?
This is why I say we just let Schiano ride it out and hope for the best. If nothing changes, then we absolutely find someone else next season, and I won’t argue one bit.
October 22nd, 2013 at 11:00 am
I agree with Schiano
It takes more than two years to install discipline
It takes a couple years just teach them where to put their toes, how to eat Linguini. What Temperature the Ac has to be set at( 71 damn it!!! 71!), how to stand on the sidelines, how to attack a victory celebration . . Etc
Heck- you don’t even have time to get to football, for at least 2 years
Plus you get new guys every year, so ya got to start over.
Oh yeah, it may be 10 years or more- before we can get around to Football
Discipline is HARD!
October 22nd, 2013 at 11:04 am
That’s all he can do at this point is blame as losers do and the ownership are nothing but cowards for not shedding any lite on there man that they support
October 22nd, 2013 at 11:04 am
Jo momma
Um, why are you so concerned about the Vikings QB?
This is a Buc site. You are on the wrong post.
Us Buc fans have enough trouble of our own! We haven’t come close to winning a game yet!
October 22nd, 2013 at 11:06 am
This coach is not going anywhere he has the owners full support and he will be here next year so forget about a new coach
October 22nd, 2013 at 11:45 am
The excuses are falling of deaf ears at this point. Schiano makes it sound like he was asked to take on a monumental task by implementing discipline to an undisciplined team.
We all know the team was undisciplined under Raheem. Changing that culture shouldn’t have been all that difficult. He just needed to tell the players what’s expected of them on and off the field and ask them to work hard and commit themselves to winning. Anyone that doesn’t buy in would be replaced. All the micromanaging and toes on the line nonsense might be a bit overboard. He’s taken the team from one extreme to the other, which might be his downfall.
Bottom line, the team isn’t disciplined on the field. It hasn’t been fixed in 6 games. This should tell Schiano his way of doing things isn’t working.
October 22nd, 2013 at 11:47 am
Private Tim,
Didn’t you post about freeman yesterday?
this is a buc sight, but because freeman was wasted on drugs playing football, he put our coaches in jeopardy.
October 22nd, 2013 at 11:51 am
That’s quite an accusation. Who else is on drugs on the Buccaneers? After all, they’re 0-3 since Freeman’s release. Who else is putting the coaches in jeopardy?
Personally I blame MRSA and the media……yeah…..that’s the ticket!
October 22nd, 2013 at 11:53 am
Ok, fire Schiano. Then what? Who is going to come save the day? Heres a hint… NO ONE. Name me a few top free agent prospects who would choose to sign with Tampa over other teams? Maybe you missed the stories about the NFLPA investigations, MRSA, oh and the whole Freeman soap opera. What top coach prospect in the right mind would take the job? Don’t be delusional.
October 22nd, 2013 at 12:13 pm
The people talking down on 2011 team, go back and watch tape there were about 6-7 games Bucs lost in closing seconds to field goals that could of been wins with players like Revis and Goldson so I say hell yes Morris looked way better then Schiano in his years of coaching. There’s no team with Schiano matter of time before the defense calls it’s quits you can already see it happening from the Pats game bring in a offensive minded head coach defense will do what they do with anybody
October 22nd, 2013 at 12:22 pm
It’s not about some coach saving the day. The season is lost. Anybody with a sane mind knows that. The hiring of a true, competent coach may take some time. Fine, but the circus that is still occurring and the shame that Schiano has given to us has to be removed. the whole culture of ineptitude needs to be done away with. Now, according to Bucs players, that locker room is lost. According to their actions on the field, I question that. It’s the horrible way the Freeman release was handled, the MRSA, the same tired excuses for losing. All unacceptable. Action needs to be taken for the owners to gain control back of their franchise. If we again get out-classed on Thursday at home, heads need to roll. Accountability must take place and it starts with the Head Coach.
October 22nd, 2013 at 12:23 pm
Correction: According to Bucs players that locker room is NOT lost…
October 22nd, 2013 at 12:28 pm
@Shutthebucup. Are you kidding me? Forget all the drama this year. That’s on Schiano. A Head Coach candidate isn’t going to care about that. Having a plethora of Pro Bowlers, a high draft pick, living in warm, sunny no State Income Tax Florida. They will care about that. This is practically the keys Gruden was handed when he won the Superbowl. Granted, the defense is nowhere near that point, but it has amazing potential and much better talent on offense.
October 22nd, 2013 at 12:37 pm
It takes more than 22 games JOE! Did you not watch the 2011 season???It was disgusting! I went to everyhome game and Ive never been so embarresed to be a Bus fan. At least this team is playing hard andthey are in just about every game this year. After feeling the way i did in 2011 being 0-6 is nothing compared to that season.
October 22nd, 2013 at 12:42 pm
I’m working on my discipline too coach. Its all I can do, to not the throw the remote control thru my tv while watching this piss poor coached team.
October 22nd, 2013 at 1:00 pm
I do not agree. It does not take more than 22 games to see positive progress. There is very little (if any) this year that is superior to last year. Well run organzations build progress year after year unless they are rebuilding.
I’ll call anyone a liar to their face if they believed this year’s Bucs were a rebuilding team.
October 22nd, 2013 at 1:02 pm
replacing Schiano mid-season will not find a good coach, BUT BUT it will show the fans that the owners will not stand for this SH*T. And maybe just maybe our team will be a little more relaxed. We may not win a game with an interim but at least from a player and assistant coach situation we can evaluate what we have in both areas, start searching for a new coach and hit the ground running come week 17! I personally think the micro managing really hurt Greg and not treating these men like men has as well. If freeman was that bad and coach new to replace him no one would’ve worried if they had his respect and knew it was best for the team. But now all he can talk about is how good Glennon is, which I get but hey coach our defense is starting to slip. We haven’t had a sack in two weeks, we don’t utilize our players correctly, in my opinion. Just time to change
October 22nd, 2013 at 1:06 pm
Jo momma,
So, Schiano is in trouble, because of Freeman??
Um, we are worse statically, since he left- 3 games ago.
Schiano had no plans to us Freeman this season.
Mike Williams said in an interview, that Glennon had been getting half the reps with the first squad, since training Camp!!
And Schiano was a .500 coach at Rutgers. Freeman was one of the 6 picks that didn’t go to Rutgers.
Schiano sucks, and will get fired, because he is a lousy coach – who is in over his head- as I said the week they hired him.
It’s got nothing to do with any of the Vikings QBs.
October 22nd, 2013 at 1:13 pm
I can think of a lot of Coaches who might come here. This team has a lot of great players.
Plus, the big thing. A top 5 pick, in a QB heavy draft.
Billick, Cowher, Shottenheimer, Lovie Smith,
Each of those guys command respect- and would bring a competent staff with them. And what’s really cool- they have been to the playoffs!!
I can’t remember what that’s like- but I remember it was cool.
October 22nd, 2013 at 2:58 pm
Capt, it’s true that Schiano’s record at Rutgers, the worst program in college football when he got there, was 68-67. However, the first two years that he spent cleaning up the program they were 3-20. Then he was finally able to recruit some players and went 9-14 during the next two years. After that he was 56-33, including 5-1 in bowl games (not top bowl games, but considering Rutgers had been to one bowl game in 130 years before that, it’s something). I’m not saying Schiano is going to do the same thing here, but he hasn’t even been here for a season and a half yet.
Cowher hasn’t coached in 7 years, Billick has been black-balled for being an ego-maniacal jerk (not saying I agree with it), and Marty is 70 years old. Lovie is the only one I remotely agree with there. Great coaches don’t just grow on trees, and situations like Andy Reid and KC don’t happen that way most of the time. Let’s at least see what happens with the rest of this season before we tell the Glazers to eat 3 years of salary to bring in the third coach in five years.
October 22nd, 2013 at 3:03 pm
thats the biggest load of garbage i ever heard from his mouth so far, stop using the culture change issue to hide the fact that you cant coach.
“There was issues on discipline on so many different levels in this organization when we took over.” this guy is throwing everyone under the bus, what a piece of poop he is. hey guy news flash, they had a laid back buddy coach but your saying the entire organization lacked discipline well i dont remember anything happening but losing under raheem morris, but somehow mr toes on the line has managed to be worse than raheem with more talent. the glazers just spent millions of dollars to bring in talent AND leadership. culture change excuse is over. all your leaders are back almost all new team captains, they highest paid players isnt a captain. should have kept ronde barber another year but you screwed that up to so stop trying to blame losing on discipline issues your just a college coach playing in the nfl with college coaches on your staff who are doing less than you are…little bastard you suck schiano….its over for you like toes on the line ready to get thrown in hillsborough river with cement shoes
October 22nd, 2013 at 3:13 pm
glazers spent too much money for us to be rebuilding….so we cant have it both ways is what schiano is saying….what kind of program is that. this isnt college, there is no instill discipline THEN start winning. i seem to remember baltimore changing offensive coordinators in the middle of a playoff run last year and ended up winning the superbowl. i seem to remember the jim bates experiment then raheem morris taking over play calling duties and defense getting. raheem morris did far more with less than you ever did. firing his offensive coordinator before his first season ever began THEN eventually taking over defensive coordinator duties mid season. schiano has an army of coaches but one person is making decisions, thats just stupid so why do we need to wait to find out what we already know. if you cant win in college you’ll get killed in the nfl, like freeman if your inaccurate in college it tends to follow you in the nfl.
schiano is worst than he record says he is. stop worrying about the attitudes of the players and let them go play. gushing over glennon like he has some kind of man crush…the same guy that can throw deep downfield, the same guy that got doug martin blasted…he’s got nothing else to say about any of his other players, idiot even took tim wright out of the gameplan for atlanta…what a dumb arse
October 22nd, 2013 at 3:21 pm
Rah win % = 35.4%
Greg win% = 31.8%
October 22nd, 2013 at 3:46 pm
Chef Paul
Wow. That’s the most hurtful and depressing stat I’ve seen so far. Reading that was like taking an uppercut to the chin.
Mvermulm- well, that’s some good points about those coaches. Lovie is an improvement. But feel like we need an offensive mind here.
But that was just a few playoff coaches. There are lots of great assistants also.
It would be hard to be worse
October 22nd, 2013 at 5:15 pm
Man Timmy, how many user names are you gonna come up with just to post some drivel about Schiano?? Do you think we don’t notice new names posting your ol spiel?
Anyway, about Schiano. If this team ever does play a complete game of disciplined football, we will win…I don’t care who we play. This week it will be a battle of defenses. I think we will put Revis on Smith and I’m not worried about the run. They will stack the box and make Glennon pass but that could bite them in the butt because they are opening the playbook more with him and if they let him audible he can pick them apart when they bring 8 and 9 up front. Should be an interesting game.
October 22nd, 2013 at 5:18 pm
Hey buc4lyfe…..sorry about your lover last night. Just wanted to offer my condolences.
October 22nd, 2013 at 5:18 pm
Im hoping we go for Mike Zimmer…..He can be HC/DC and then all we need is a great OC mind.
October 22nd, 2013 at 5:18 pm
I think the best thing for the Bucs head coach to do is let the guys have fun….NOT DURING THE WEEK…but on game day. Keep the discipline, run a tight ship…but on game day let the men play football. Go out and have fun. Warren sap said ” They paid me to come to practice…they paid me to work during the week and prepare for sunday….come Sunday….it was time to have some fun!!!” That and let Sullivan take full control of the offense and fire Sheridan and Schiano take over the defense. I would like to see how the team plays the rest of the year under those circumstances!
October 22nd, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Can we please forget about the 10 win season? It was against a schedule of soft butter.
Kind of like the butter teams we just lost three in a row to. –Joe
October 22nd, 2013 at 10:52 pm
10 wins in the NFL is 10 wins. I’m not going to dispute that. However, that was the last we saw of good Josh other than a 6 game stretch last year where he must have doubled up on the adderall or something.