McCoy Doesn’t Get Fan Mindset
October 10th, 2013
Gerald McCoy went on a passionate rant last night on the Buccaneers Radio Network explaining a message about his head coach he thinks isn’t getting to the masses.
“He is not a dictator,” McCoy said on WDAE-AM 620.
No. 93 talked about how Greg Schiano meets with captains and listens to them, among other non-dictator-like acts.
Joe loves McCoy, but Joe must say that it is completely irrelevant whether or not Schiano is a dictator, acts like a dictator or smells like a dictator. In fact, fans would absolutely love Schiano’s tough-guy persona if he were winning. It wouldn’t matter if he was a toes-on-the-line, rules-obsessed, temperature-managing coach. That would become endearing. Fans only care about wins.
McCoy clearly felt compelled to defend his head coach, but this is the wrong way to do it. Fans expect head coaches to be angry dictators. Hell, Tony Dungy was bashed in this town because he wasn’t in-your-face with players on the sidelines and visibly fired up.
There’s only one title fans want on their head coach: winner. It’s the same label fans wanted on Josh Freeman but didn’t get over the past three seasons. That’s why he’s gone.
October 10th, 2013 at 8:58 am
Well, maybe he’s backed away a little since his 1st year, but he really needs to remember sometimes that he’s mostly dealing with Grown Men who are respectable and appreciate being treated as so….(and no, free free doesnt count, he was constantly throwing tantrums).
October 10th, 2013 at 9:03 am
Schiano is in the lose, lose conundrum whose only cure is winning.
October 10th, 2013 at 9:07 am
Max, Schiano is obsessed with the process of winning but he has not delivered on the wins.
Let’s not confuse activity with results!
October 10th, 2013 at 9:08 am
In-game decisions. That is currently Schiano’s downfall. That, and stupid penalties and mistakes by his players late in games. Our offense needs to be more agressive and keep the foot on the accelerator when we have the lead. Playing conservatively keeps games tight and gives the other team the opportunity to beat you late. Winning indeed cures all.
October 10th, 2013 at 9:08 am
Theres no confusion on my end buddy!
October 10th, 2013 at 9:11 am
@adamant, yes normally, but that last game, with a rookie at QB, we shouldve been conservative/ran/punt/put it on the defense…..woulda-shoulda-coulda though. Is what it was…hopefully another hard lesson learned.
October 10th, 2013 at 9:11 am
At least he hasn’t lost his team, that’s always a good sign.
So Freeman is #12 now, looks so strange.
October 10th, 2013 at 9:13 am
Couldn’t agree more Joe. If we were a winning football team who put out a respectable product I don’t care if the coach had to wear a bozo the clown suit on the sidelines to get the most out of his players. Who he is and how he does it is irrelevant to me so long as the end result is a winner. When you’re not winning it becomes a question of why and his methods lend themselves to easy scrutiny.
October 10th, 2013 at 9:14 am
Freeman’s BUSTING OUT PARTY spreads doubt, hate and fan uprising.
Look at it all people.
Schiano needs to do better, no doubt, but Josh Freeman and Mark Dominick have done nothing to take this team back to the playoffs.
At least Schiano brought in some Defense and better drafting.
It is not built in one day, and taking away a coach prematurely isn’t exactly the way to lure in other top candidates.
Josh Freeman and Mark Dominick are the reason Chip Kelly turned us down.
Freeman just doesn’t care enough about football to make a difference. What a waste of talent. And, how about that GM that leapfrogged Denver to draft #5, and proclaim “it is all about five”.
We have zero players on the roster from the 2009 draft, but Joe gives Rock Star a passing grade at “D-“. You’ve got to be kididng me.
Schiano has the D playing well, remember the loafing of 2011?
Our offense is right where it was when Brad Johnson left.
Freeman wasted 5 years of Buc football, because of the anomaly of the 2010 season.
Freeman is gone, Dominick should go before Schiano.
Schiano catches the most blame, and he is not the issue, he is part of the solution.
Freeman made 26m dollars for crying, refusing to be benched, not working hard, missing camp/charity/meetings/team meals and overall not taking his position seriously enough.
Blame Freeman, Blame Dominick and then start pinning it on the guy from Rutgers. It is not his fault the Bucs were and still are the “laughing stock of the NFL”…
October 10th, 2013 at 9:31 am
With you on that SteveK….all of this was allowed under his nose….and I still hate the back handed comment he made to Barber before the Jets game.
Im all for letting the new GM (if it really occurs) to make the decision on Coach!
October 10th, 2013 at 9:32 am
I thought we came into this season with no excuses, now all of a sudden Schiano has a long list of them. Dom has given Schiano talent to work with, that’s why Schiano’s defense is doing great right now. The offense has been dead since late last year. Schiano has talent on offense, the team just hasn’t been using the pieces we had properly, hopefully now that Schiano has his preferred QB in the huddle, and some new pieces to add into the passing attack, the potential return of Tom Crabtree, and an extra week of preparation for Sully to make some adjustments, maybe they can find a way to produce at a higher level. They kinda have to, the defense has been rock solid, they need some support and time on the bench.
October 10th, 2013 at 9:42 am
SteveK,
I want to sympathize with you, but you make it hard to do so. You say in your post that Freeman is gone, but yet you mention him 8 times in your post. This thread is about Schiano. McCoy never mentioned Freeman. Joe never mentioned Freeman. Get over this guy man. Dude is gone, never to return. But Schiano is here…….for now!
October 10th, 2013 at 10:06 am
@SteveK
Very good stuff, bro.
Malloy likes it.
He also like Schiano…..alot.
Fans are like little obsessive school-girls sometimes…
…have a little intelligence and insight. Don’t hit the bait
like a 10-pound bass….think before you write.
Schiano is, was and will be exactly what this team needs.
If you really want to dig deeper let me ask you this:
What has been the one common thread since our run of
mediocrity/failing began in 2003?
Be careful if you reply because it’s a very taboo subject.
But it’s quite real.
October 10th, 2013 at 10:06 am
Wait, Joe, you say McCoy went about it the wrong way. I completely disagree. Yes, it contradicts the messages the media has been telling people, but he spoke the truth and the truth is never wrong.
You know, we keep hearing how Schiano has lost the locker room and how his players hate him.
I can understand a player being smart to not speak against their coach in fear of being put in the dog house. But when players go OUT OF THEIR WAY to stand up for their coach, it flies in the face of the lies we’re being told by the media.
So, as I am seeing it, you are saying it’s okay for the media to say whatever, however they wish…but a player should keep his mouth shut? Am I getting that right?
If I’m wrong, explain it. Please.
October 10th, 2013 at 10:07 am
I have never heard a player call him a dictator… what player has called him that???
the media is he only source you hear ths from,its well now they dont like the coach cause he doesnt kiss their butt…
October 10th, 2013 at 10:44 am
Walter and Splengo,
Numerous fans, prognasticators and Joes have been on here saying “Freeman is our best chance to win this year.”
Well guess what, when your “Franchise” (BUST!!!) QB fails to step up your season is LOST.
Freeman is no longer a Buc and thank goodness, WHAT A BABY.
October 10th, 2013 at 10:49 am
The media is hounding for Schiano because they don’t like him.
Schiano is Belichickian with his sharing of information to the press, and it agitates them.
The lockerroom is intact, not “lost”.
The only folks that are truly “lost” is everyone who though Josh Freeman was the “answer”.
Freeman squandered the opportunity of a lifetime, all because he doesn’t have HEART.
5 years after drafting #5, we are right where we left off… mediocre/subpar.
Not even Adrian Peterson can carry Freeman to a super bowl, just wait and see the cream rises to the top. Freeman isn’t man enough to stick it out in Tampa, and had to run away.
October 10th, 2013 at 10:56 am
@Stevek
No one here is even trying to talk about Freeman anymore dude, I think it’s time to let it go.
Also, failing here doesn’t mean he can’t perform well for another team, especially if they allow Freeman to play his style of football, where he can use his legs and stretch plays, he could definitely rebound from what happened in Tampa. I’m sure he wants to redeem himself and prove that he can still be “the guy.”
October 10th, 2013 at 10:58 am
I have no problem with McCoy defending the coach. In fact, I think it’s a good sign. There would be more reasons for concern if the players stayed quiet during the media bashing over the past few weeks.
October 10th, 2013 at 11:05 am
The only reason fans think anything bad about our coach is cause writers and news people put a bunch of crap out there even if there are no real facts just to sell their program, news letters, or website! Shiano has got our defense running like it hasn’t ran sense the Superbowl! Our offense needs work but we are not that far off, we are a score away from being 3-1 instead of 0-4. This fan loves what Shiano has done so far. Building a championship team doesnt happen just after one season. Go Bucs!
October 10th, 2013 at 11:05 am
It is a good sign that he is defending his coach. McCoy is trying to change the perception that he feels is wrong. After all, a Buc legend and Hall of Famer just said he was running the team mafia style. That deserves a response from someone and it can’t be the coach.
Joe is right that the style doesn’t matter, just the wins. I am not a big Schiano fan, but I am happy to hear the rant!
October 10th, 2013 at 11:11 am
Walter,
Freeman is garbage, and his “style of play” is SOFT!
October 10th, 2013 at 11:12 am
This is worse.
If this is one big happy locker room then the coaches and players just aren’t smart enough or good enough to win. At least when we thought Schiano’s leadership style was a problem it explained poor performance. I kinda hope McCoy is just trying to put a happy face on it.
October 10th, 2013 at 11:14 am
crazy,
Trading up to draft a BUST of a QB in 2009 is leading to all of our woes.
QB play, more so than ever, is vital to a team’s success in the NFL.
Freeman’s fall from grace, and his repugnant approach to the game is what has this team down.
JF5 is a JOKE! We are in this position because our “Franchise” QB BLEW IT.
October 10th, 2013 at 11:18 am
Winning is all that matters for sure. For example John Wooden started the first practice every season at UCLA by showing the players how to put on their socks to avoid blisters. His practices were super pricise and exactly the same each time.
If Schiano’s team were 4-0 nobody would care the slightest bit about the fact he is a nut case.
But alas, he isn’t, and the product he is producing is just awful. And very unlikely to get any better this year, especially with the moronic QB switch. But, we shall see.
October 10th, 2013 at 11:22 am
@Stevek
Whatever man, keep blaming Freeman for everything. He wouldn’t be the first player Schiano ousted that went on to have success. You’re giving the Head Coach of a National Football League team a pass on the season just because he benched the starting QB.
October 10th, 2013 at 11:23 am
I find it pretty funny that the Team Captain comes out and defends the coach and its blown off and Joe off all people writes how itbwas wrong.
Yet if he would have said anything negative it would have been taking as the holy word. And there would be stories all over about Schiano.
But a story in which the face of the team backs the coach and all the negative reports and its ooo he’s wrong for going about it this way.
October 10th, 2013 at 11:27 am
That’s a bunch of crap. Our offense averages 11ppg. When Brad Johnson last played we were averaging 18.8ppg The Bucs are 2nd to last place in offense. Even if our offense is right where it was when Brad Johnson left that would put our offense in 25th place. Have you noticed offenses in the NFL has changed dramatically in the past 9 years. Our offense is behind the times. Oh, go figure….one of the knocks against Schiano is that his offenses are stale and archaic.
Lastly, I remember 2011 and I remember 2012 when the Bucs were the worst defense in NFL history.
October 10th, 2013 at 11:33 am
In the end – winning will cure all.
I have no doubt in my mind this locker room is behind Schiano.
October 10th, 2013 at 11:44 am
“Belichickian”
That’s spot-on.
October 10th, 2013 at 11:44 am
I like Schiano.
October 10th, 2013 at 11:47 am
Everyone on here was giving Freeman credit at the begining of the year:
“The only way we are going to the playoffs is with Freeman at QB”.
Ok, that was my expectation too. I even called Freeman the “gatekeeper to the playoffs”.
Guess what?
Freeman had the same amount of opposite impact on this team, FACT. Freeman flushed his team down the toilet with his childish ways and lack of commitment to his team, profession and fans.
We are 0-4 largely because Freeman is worse than Tebow.
There is a reason he was untradable, he is Albery Haynesworth awful.
Dominick should be getting the stinky eye more so than Schiano.
Greg’s job is a helluva lot harder with a QB worse than Gabbert, Tebow and the mental toughness of a kitten.
October 10th, 2013 at 12:01 pm
HEY JOE !!!
Didnt chucky the media darling in the bay area do the “A” Train the same or worse than Schiano supposely did Freeman.. Chucky shorten his career and stop playing him and said he could only be ful back as if the Train DIDNT KNOW HOW TO RUN THE BALL..
Difference is “A” train produced and Freeman didnt he was never consistent and that wont allow you to be a winner in NFL
MEDIA = LOVED CHUCKY CAUSE HE SPOKE EVEN IF NOT TRUE
MEDIA= Hates Schiano cause he doesnt talk so they make things up as if they are in meeting and locker room
October 10th, 2013 at 12:07 pm
Hey D-Rome….. Can u tell me how in 2012 that the Bucs were the worst D in NFL history? Don’t think you can prove that line
October 10th, 2013 at 12:11 pm
Personally I find it offensive as an Italian American to see a picture of Mussolini in an artical about Greg Schiano. I found it offensive when Sapp said “Mafia Style” when talking about Schiano. Why is it wrong for Riley Cooper to say things derogitory about African Americans but it’s acceptible for people to say these things about Italian Americans?
October 10th, 2013 at 12:14 pm
Joe my friend
You are wrong.
Way to go McCoy.
When the man is being pushed out of town and attacked everyday about, get this,
not losing but “being a pasta nazi” McCoy has every right to make the TRUTH known.
Screw the media’s agenda.
That’s my opinion, I could careless what rebuttal you come up with.
October 10th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
Lots of creepy stuff going on in Buc-land.
Follow the dollar signs: There you will find the truth.
October 10th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
All of you guys blaming the media for fans not liking the coach are dead wrong. Joe is 100% correct. 0 – 4 is why the fans hate Shiano, if the Bucs were 4 – 0 everyone would talk about how great Shiano is. The fact is the team’s offense went from 9th to 31st, and the defense went from 31st to somewhere in the low teens. The defense is doing their job but the offense is not. Last year when the table was turned you heard about how great Sully was and the great job Shiano was doing with chyanging the culture. This year everyone is bashing Shiano and a pretty good size group is bashing Sully. At the end of the day winning is everything, why do you think Andy R is not coaching the Eagles, but he is winning at another team who love him right now. Joe nailed it on this point.
October 10th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
Blah blah blah when I stop hearing everyday about how terrible coach is because he is a “pasta natzi” than this argument would be valid.
It’s a convenience thing really.
People harp over and over and over about how the man is a dictator and how “he’s lost his locker room” than it get’s shot down and than they claim that it was never about that.
LOL than shut the hell up about it if it doesn’t matter?
October 10th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
Malloy, stop with the soccer talk, it is old and tired no matter how you try to stelf it up.
I am not a Shiano fan, but if he starts winning I predict I will become one. Greg needs to cut Sully lose and let this offense open a big can of whoop arse on the Eagles. The team seemed to lift a little with Glennon in the huddle, and I predict we see more of that this week.
October 10th, 2013 at 1:57 pm
PR, my point is not that the media is being a nasty. I for one do not buy into everything the media says about anything, and by your posts over the years I do not think you do either. The fact of the matter is that if the team was winning the media would be talking about how great he is and so would the fans, but not because ESPN of the NFL network told us to…it is becasue everyone loves it when you are winning. Why is that a BLAH BLAH BLAH moment? I do not agree with Joe on GMC going about anything wrong, but I do agree that Shiano has a hot seat based on his record, and that is just a fact of life in pro sports.
October 10th, 2013 at 2:25 pm
I hear ya, and I agree that that fact cannot be disputed.
I just cannot stand how even for a second the stand McCoy took for his coach can be downplayed, especially after so many have been pointing to players not making a stand for their coach as evidence to why he must be in fact a dud coach.
Nothing against you, my bad, just a heated moment. My apologies.
October 10th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
Soccer?
No comprende.
Any brave souls with ideas about why we’ve consistently
sucked since 2003?
Those goddarn franchise QB’s are expensive and the
fans are not that bright.
Also:
Where is our depth?
Why would we let Michael Bennett, Talib, Blount and Trueblood
all be good performers for other teams?
There was always a rub too:
Every one of those guys had a major rub that got harped on
and harped on in the media, yet becomes insignificant when
they go somewhere less dysfunctional.
Yeah, Methinks the lady doth denieth too much.
October 10th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
Malloy…Gotcha, I thought you were refering to money and the united…my bad.
PR…We are in agreement, and no worries. I am not a Shiano fan right now, but it gives me hope that McCoy is standing up for him. I am also a USF Bull, so Shiano running my beloved Bucs was a hard pill. Anyway, I am not a fairweahter fan to the team, but apparently I am to the coaches and players. I was on Freeman’s side up to his third game this season. I was happy he was benched, and they really just needed to part ways with him.
I am off to Melbourn for the weekend, you guys have a great weekend! GO BUCS!
October 10th, 2013 at 6:53 pm
Likewise bro, be safe.
October 10th, 2013 at 8:00 pm
Agree with bucfan999, if we’re going to be forced to live in an overly sensitive politically correct society that sometimes seems to go out of it’s way to find racism around every corner then I believe Sapp owes Schiano an apology for the way he phrased his opinion. Fair is fair.
Also, if a respected Bucs team captain and high motor player like GMC says Schiano’s not a dictator and the locker room is fine then that’s good enough for me unless proven otherwise. Finish the season and then let’s judge Schiano based on his record and how the team is playing eafter he’s had at least 32 NFL games on his resume.
October 11th, 2013 at 8:39 am
@NY Buc
Lol..no doubt
If Schiano is Italian then Sapps comments are absolutely racist.
Funny how no one seems to care about Sapps blatant racism.
(although Sapp is pretty awesome otherwise)
Also (Lol) apparently Joe can block specific ip’s from viewing certain
posts. Better than getting blocked from the whole site I guess (Lolly)
Joe has no such capability. –Joe
I’ll steer clear of the taboo.
I’m done with it.