Marching To Toes-On-The-Unemployment-Line
October 20th, 2013
The thing that really annoys Joe, and what will be the noose around the neck of Bucs commander Greg Schiano is that for a guy who preaches, demands discipline, his team plays so undisciplined.
Schiano, on the Buccaneers Radio Network, spoke about “self-inflicted” penalties that killed a drive that could have pulled the Bucs within seven points late in the game. Disciplined teams don’t do this. Pat Yasinskas of ESPN.com cobbled together some of Schiano’s postgame words.
“It’s been a long time since a team I coached had that same issue,’’ Schiano said. “Put it on me to get that fixed. We had 11 penalties, six of them in Atlanta territory and four in the red zone. I think we do all the right things and it’s worked over the years, yet it’s not working right now. We’ve got to re-examine that.’’
Re-examine? You have, what, 86 coaches on staff and had since the last week of July to figure out how to cut down on penalties and now, in late October, you may have to revisit this? Didn’t you have any time during the bye week to re-examine?
“When teams are having penalties, that’s a collective coaching and playing issue,” Schiano said. “We’ve got to get it fixed. I’m frustrated because I’ve said that standing at this [microphone] before.”
Sadly, both for Bucs fans and Schiano, if you say you are going to correct things, yet those things still occur, yes, it is both a coaches issue and a players issue. One, the coaches, for whatever reason, aren’t getting through players’ thick skulls that they need to use their heads, or, the players can’t figure this out because of aforementioned thick skulls.
Again, Joe can’t see a scenario where Schiano returns for the 2014 season, barring a six-game winning streak. But just as Team Glazer may have a housecleaning of the coaching staff, there may be a third purge of players in the past five seasons.
Imagine you are Team Glazer and you just spent a quarter of a billion dollars — enough to buy an NHL team — on players’ salaries over the past couple of season, and what you get for your massive investment is zero wins in 2013.
Zero!
October 20th, 2013 at 7:55 pm
Today was our best chance for a brief glimmer of respectability. But In his usual manner, Schiano has again seen fit to deny us that small pleasure. So that leaves me still wanting a win and not one in clear sight. Today was ugly. Thursday night against the Panthers with the best front seven in the NFL and Doug Martin out, will be uglier. The Seahawks, with arguably the best secondary in the NFL, is going to be the ugliest. At this point, my best guess is that we get some kind of an announcement following the Monday Night Football game against the Dolphins. Anything longer than that would be considered cruel and unusual punishment!
October 20th, 2013 at 7:56 pm
its coming.
October 20th, 2013 at 7:58 pm
*Panthers one of the best front sevens*
October 20th, 2013 at 8:00 pm
Glazers have to be frustrated beyond belief. Worst return on investment one could possibly imagine! Heads are gonna roll…just a question of when.
October 20th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
This team will keep Schiano until the end of the year
and then clean house, Even Dominik.
There is nobody on the staff worthy to become interim or even consider to take over next year.
Hang in there Bucs Fans
October 20th, 2013 at 8:04 pm
Ok, so now where do we go. Does Gerald McCoy stay? no pass rush, Lavonte is a beast. Dotson is doing well. So Penn is terrible, Davin hurt and old, Nicks NEVER healthy. So we start all over… AGAIN!!
October 20th, 2013 at 8:04 pm
Can come soon enough FlBoy. We are all sick of watching this crap. At least we can start thinking about next season when we bag this bozo.
October 20th, 2013 at 8:06 pm
I looked at this earlier today, we’re last in the league in penalty yards per game. Two things that make me wonder if it really matters:
– Last year the worst team? Baltimore. Pretty sure that worked out ok for them.
– Our place last year was 11th (instead of our current 32nd)
Now, something the numbers don’t show is when these penalties are occurring or what type they are, so maybe we’re committing more dumb penalties that extend opponent drives or kill our own. Certainly one of Atlanta’s TDs today came after they were initially stopped on 3rd down but then a personal foul extended the drive.
October 20th, 2013 at 8:07 pm
ROI = 0-16
Lol
Dom needs to go too.
October 20th, 2013 at 8:11 pm
Mediocre college coach in over his head in the NFL. It is obvious that Schiano was never the first coach and was the extreme backup. We’ve been doomed since Chip Kelly turned down the job. I am sure the fans of Toledo will enjoy having Schiano as their new coach. Look forward to a bunch of 7-9 or 8-8 records…. at least your team will be disciplined…oh wait.
October 20th, 2013 at 8:12 pm
We are left with what we are usually left with as Buc fans….disappointment, discouragement and only a hope for the future…..the season is lost…so we can look forward to a couple of high draft picks and the development of our younger players.
Glennon, Owusu, Banks, Wright, Page, James Spence…..maybe further development of Johnson & Gorrer….Demps
We need to start playing Gholston & Means
Joe keeps saying we have all the “ProBowlers”….the only one I see out there is LVD and he hasn’t gone yet.
October 20th, 2013 at 8:13 pm
it’s funny dave wannstedt who isnt the greatest coach but has more experience than alittle in the nfl is sitting on the roster and people are saying he cant do better as if to say schiano has done anything worth speaking of. he tried install discipline on a team without leaders then the dummy brings in playoff caliber LEADERSHIP type talent and continues to overstep his bounds as a coach and not giving the players room to be creative. who says he cant do better than schiano, he could atleast call a better defense than bill sheridan
October 20th, 2013 at 8:16 pm
And… The great Case Keenum outperformed our stud QB against one of the top defenses in the league while our guy “played well” against a mediocre/bad defense…. Wow, the future looks bright…
October 20th, 2013 at 8:23 pm
might have to change my 5-11 prediction. have nailed it every year except Raheems fluke year for the last 7 years.
October 20th, 2013 at 8:24 pm
You watched that game, too, huh BamBam? Was thinking same thing.
October 20th, 2013 at 8:25 pm
Revis is the only corner on our roster who can consistently cover people. Banks will be good in a few years we need to actually bring in TALENTED corners. There is a reason Leonard Johnson went undrafted Dom.
October 20th, 2013 at 8:28 pm
Keemun couldn’t get a block to save his life. The Texans O line is worse than ours. Keemun was rock solid at UofH and better than any QB we have had, just too small for some. The Bucs want 6′-6″ cavemen that wear a knee brace for no reason and throw to imaginary places where receivers seldom travel.
We suck and shouldn’t. Reminds me of the 49’rs under Singletary.
October 20th, 2013 at 8:29 pm
Hay guys, what we all need to do is what we did in the past. write to the glazers by email and letter even call one bucs and demand the release of coach. The glazers always listen to the fans. remeber we did it to gruden, morris and Father Dungy. we wanted all them out and they listen. what do you guys think? can history repeat its self?
October 20th, 2013 at 8:31 pm
It’s back to the old days of roaming around the stadium, checking out the women and drinking profusely. I do have a driver scheduled for Thursday because the Panthers defense will destroy us.
October 20th, 2013 at 8:35 pm
the only thing I hope for now is that we dont go 0-16. please, whatever it takes to get just 1 win, do it.
October 20th, 2013 at 8:36 pm
,,,, and if Josh lights it up on national TV tomorrow, Schiano AND Dominik are dead men walking………….
October 20th, 2013 at 8:36 pm
Let them keep losing keep Schiano. Of course that will raise up the salary of the next coach to fix this laughing stock. They will get #1 overall though so that might interest the new coach. Call Schotty and have him ready, just don’t leak it. Let Schiano play this out. I’ll suffer it out to get the first pick in this year’s draft. Just make sure the rock star is not making the selection.
October 20th, 2013 at 8:37 pm
Its going to be a tough offseason. So many unanswered questions. We are probably going to have another overhaul to get rid of Schiano and his college of coaches, which sucks considering we just did that less than 2 seasons ago. This time Dom does not avoid the chopping block. While he has gone out and gotten us some talent and had some pretty good drafts he has yet to give us a consistently good coaching staff. He didn’t hire Rah, but did bring in a bunch of failures at other coaching positions. As well as hiring this generation of coaches. Its still very questionable why he hired Schiano over other candidates like Marty Schottenheimer, and I’m sure the Glazers are ready to wash their hands of him and these past 5 years. A new coaching staff and probably a new QB. Glennon hasn’t done a bad job, but he hasn’t been spectacular, but I will say he had a good game today. Whoever we hire will probably want to mold their own QB and with so many talented guys entering the 2014 draft its hard not to see the Bucs drafting one of them. However, if Glennon continues to show promise its very possible he could start next year considering it will only be his second year and he can still be developed. And the Jags will probably go with a QB with their 1st pick, I don’t see Clowney as the missing piece to that jigsaw puzzle of a franchise.
October 20th, 2013 at 8:39 pm
This is the NFL and penalties I would imagine are 100% on the players. If they understand the game then it should be a no freaking brainer that its a penalty to hold, jump off sides, face mask, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. How does a coaching staff convey their message, please don’t commit a penalty? I mean these players have to understand the game and rules, right??
October 20th, 2013 at 8:39 pm
Andrew what it takes is a game with the penalties are cut in 1/2 and the crucial ones at the wrong times. I’m starting think the players might be giving up on the coach. Maybe not all of them, but all it takes is a few.
October 20th, 2013 at 8:40 pm
1979 I have done that on my weekly survey as have many season ticket holders. Believe me they know how we feel. The Glazers hate losing but as Joe said, they’ve spent so much time and money rebuilding that it may take a little while to straighten things out.
Reps are trying to put a positive spin on things, but even they are having difficulty defending this mess. They also refuse to use the word “Rebuilding” because it was supposed to have been rebuilt already. I feel bad for the Glazers, with all their effort to follow a plan that ended up in the toilet.
Never should have fired Chucky. They should have clipped his wings and given him a new GM other than Allen. This is so embarrassing for them.
October 20th, 2013 at 8:40 pm
Toes on the airplane steps.
October 20th, 2013 at 8:42 pm
“I think we do all the right things” – Yep, that’s why you are winless
October 20th, 2013 at 8:43 pm
@87
The players are getting beat….or they are trying to impress…that penalty from McCray & Scott come to mind.
I also get the feeling that the refs watch us closer because of our history.
October 20th, 2013 at 8:45 pm
@ Buc1987
thats part of the problem, I agree. all Im saying is that even if we have to pay another team a kings ransom to lay down for 1 game, then please do it lol. whatever it takes to not go 0-16. that would be just to devastating.
October 20th, 2013 at 8:45 pm
I like Mike Zimmer, Rod Marinelli, Rich Bisaccia and Wade Phillips. Just my choices. I like Lovie but don’t want him as a HC unless he can bring Marinelli as a DC. I wanted the Bucs to promote Bissacia to HC when they gave it to Raheem. So much of it is chemistry and motivation. Schiano doesn’t get it and it looks like players are playing for pay checks right now.
October 20th, 2013 at 8:49 pm
I’m guessing that if we lose to the Panthers next week and then the Seahawks the following week then the Glazers will step in and appoint an interim HC (Wannstadt?). At that point the best the team can go is 8-8 with probably no chance at the post season. If we win even one of the next two games then Schiano probably gets to the end of the season and the Glazers will evaluate the team as a whole then. There have been a few bright spots to build on in the future, but it’s a Win or pack your bags business.
October 20th, 2013 at 8:50 pm
I like coach but we need to win so time to change things up , good luck at some small collage coach, …..I dungy avalible?
October 20th, 2013 at 8:52 pm
I like Clowney but he worries me a little. He takes a lot of plays off but when he shows up he shows up huge. I think we’ll have a shot at him. The Jags are for sure going QB. At some point in time we have to draft a new LT and give Penn his walking papers. Our O-line may need more help than our D-line. Maybe Richardson from Tennessee. I don’t know…with our luck we’d pick Clowney and he’s tear his ACL the first day of mini camp.
October 20th, 2013 at 8:55 pm
911 – yes, penalties occur when players make mistakes. Players make mistakes when they aren’t coached better in the fundamentals, or the scheme is bad. For example, if a blocking scheme is set up for a player to block to his left, but at the snap, a defender is blowing by him on the right it is perfectly normal for a blocker to reach out and “hold” the defender because the scheme dictated he be out of position. We also have issues with a new signal caller and a different cadence. This can lead to false starts and can be minimized by practicing situations with a hard count, or audible, or hurry up, or silent count with the new signal caller. Some of the penalties will be because we have no depth and are putting 3rd string guys in to play and they’re trying to make an impression and doing too much. If they hold back, they’ll be back on the bench, if they don’t hold back they get a penalty and are back on the bench. Tough spot for them to be in. But at least some of these guys want a job with the new coaching staff when they arrive…
October 20th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
If I’m the Glazers I keep Schiano till the end of the year for one reason only…I don’t want to mess up the progression of Mike Glennon. I think this kid was a great pick in the third round and he’s showing a lot of progress in the 3 games he’s been in. I’m hoping we don’t have to draft QB next year and if Glennon continues to mature we can go after some other players we need. Keep Schiano and the rest of the staff till the end of the season and then bring in a new staff.
October 20th, 2013 at 9:00 pm
You guys need a GM?
October 20th, 2013 at 9:05 pm
Trust me, Im a Gamecock, we DO NOT want to waste a pick on Clowney…..he doesnt play well in the heat (go back and watch the tape if you dont believe me)
Taylor Lewan or Jake Matthews (I’d like both, but thats just not possible)
Lewan is mean though, nasty mean!!
October 20th, 2013 at 9:07 pm
why should we still even care
October 20th, 2013 at 9:08 pm
Here’s some veteran players who I like to stay: Gerald McCoy, Dashon Goldson, Darrelle Revis, and Vincent Jackson
October 20th, 2013 at 9:11 pm
Its a good point Bobby. Def interested in seeing what we have in Glennon. I think he has played some soft Defenses and hasnt had the run support but for a rookie he’s looked pretty decent. We’ll see…
October 20th, 2013 at 9:12 pm
Andrew 1,
A piece of low hanging fruit just popped back on the tree. Though I wish nobody harm, Sam Bradford was carted off and it doesn’t look good. Even with Bradford, they were not playing well. It’s the second to the last game, by then we may be better. Somewhere along the line, I think you get your one win. Modest of you I must say!
October 20th, 2013 at 9:14 pm
It amazes me how “bad” looks “decent” when everything is “horrible”…
October 20th, 2013 at 9:18 pm
who agrees with my last comment?
October 20th, 2013 at 9:27 pm
Why bother speculating about the draft? When you mention Clowney take a look at Bowers and Gaines Adams. Take a look at how many highly rated defensive linemen have failed, or are out of the league. Have you heard or seen Claiborne in the last few games? Is he hurt, or has the opposition figured him out. Did Bowers get on the field today? Does the bully have it out for him now?
The same would apply to a QB. I would rather spend the money on an experienced, proven FA QB than some college kid.
I believe in playing for some pride. Do you really think it would hurt if an interim coach took over? Fire him and have a meeting to get undiluted feedback from the players. Let them have some say on what they want done in the systems they play under. For example, as many have advocated, if Revis is able let him play head on against the best receiver. Look at what the exiled Talib did against the huge Graham from the Saints.
I hate to say it but I was hoping we would lose just to get this guy fired so that we can start on the right track. I have been a loyal fan for a long time through thick and thin, but enough is enough. Furthermore, Glennon is not the answer. He only has the tools to be a caretaker QB, or a dink and dunk QB like Gruden always seemed to have.
October 20th, 2013 at 9:32 pm
If Freeman shines tomorrow inMNF, it’ll proof that Schiano is to blame for all our problems, and he definitley will have to go
October 20th, 2013 at 9:32 pm
@ Macabee
given the circumstances, can you blame me!!! I take not pleasure in saying that and it just flat out sucks thats its come to this, but 1 win seems realistic right about now.
October 20th, 2013 at 9:37 pm
@coach80m……I don’t know how you figure Glennon isn’t the answer. He’s getting better every game with an O-line that just flat out sucks. It’s not like we’ve seen his ceiling or something. He’s just getting started. I like what I see so far.
October 20th, 2013 at 9:38 pm
Get us a new coach at the end of this sh!t storm (Schotty I hope) a new GM and the #1 overall pick in the draft! The Jets get the Bucs 2nd rounder though right? They need to get one of those back, trade someone.
October 20th, 2013 at 9:39 pm
O’Leary for the Noles is a pretty decent TE.
October 20th, 2013 at 9:40 pm
F U “rock star”.
October 20th, 2013 at 9:42 pm
@87, its the 3rd….but we also gave up a 4th or 5th for Carimi (stupid stupid stupid DOM!!!!)
October 20th, 2013 at 9:44 pm
BamBam,
Yup. 3 straight loses. No realistic chance of winning any of the Three.
Against bad or badly wounded defenses.
And he looks good?? Lol. And I thought Schiano was delusional!
October 20th, 2013 at 9:46 pm
Tony dungy head coach and jon gruden assistant head coach for the bucs next year. More likely than winning a game with this coach.
October 20th, 2013 at 10:18 pm
I was glad to see they changed up the OL . It did start working better the longer they worked but put DJ’s ass back on the bench. We were better off without him last year. Also note we did not have 5 false start flags against our center. We are scoring more points with Glennon. What the hell has happen to this defense?? This offense kept Matty Ice off the field alot of time only to have the defense let him come on and go fly down and score. I am not saying the offense is perfect. Glennon’s fumble was bad. But a defense that was giving up 13 points now allowing this is mind blowing.
They did fire a lot of coaches after last season didn’t they?
October 21st, 2013 at 12:55 am
“It’s worked in the past”…yeah, on college players who had nowhere else to go (i.e., Rutgers), in a mediocre conference on a mediocre team. This was the problem from day one—Schiano applied “Rutgers Boys” rules to “Buccaneer Men”, & is reaping the expected rewards (i.e., nil). Always remember the Glazer boys have done pathetic since they took over full time for daddy.
October 21st, 2013 at 2:12 am
Well, a quarter of a billion $$$ leaves out the salaries doled out to TWO former Buccaneer 1st round draft picks STARTING for two different teams in the NFL…not to mention the 24 coaches – the largest coaching staff IN the NFL – to not a single game in 2013 (so far)!
Can you imagine how the owners will feel when they see Josh Freeman START for the Vikes on Monday? How do you think they’ll feel if he does THERE what he did HERE in his very first NFL start?
Wonder if they’d be pi$$ed enough to hold the guys accountable who talked them out of the investment in time and money they’d sunk in Josh to that point?
Wonder if they do it DURING the season – you know – since a few of those who staff that 24 man coaching staff actually have head coaching experience?
I know I’ll be cheering for number 12 on the program, but number 5 in my heart…
Ah Greg, we hardly knew ye….