“He Doesn’t Have A Big-Time Arm”
October 24th, 2013
Is Mike Glennon a potential franchise quarterback?
He’s missing a key component to get there, says former Bucs quarterback Shaun King.
King, one of three QBs to lead the Bucs to the NFC title game, had plenty to say about the future of the Bucs today during his interview on WDAE-AM 620. King reiterated his take that Glennon is playing ok and as expected given the circumstances he walked into. But King isn’t seeing the basic tool needed to be a premier quarterback.
“He doesn’t have a big arm,” King said of Glennon. He has good velocity on the intermediate to short throws, but when he’s asked to push the ball down the field, he doesn’t have a big-time arm. And that worries me about a guy that can’t move, a guy that’s not going to extend plays. You know, it’s always going to be kind of that methodical dink and dunk. As I told you last week, it’s hard to put 10, 12-play drives together consistently in this league. You’ve got to be able to take advantage of your down the field shots.”
This is something to watch for tonight against the Panthers. Glennon underthrew two deep balls to Vincent Jackson in Atlanta — one was caught.
October 24th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
“Hello, Pot? This is Kettle. You’re black.”
This is hilarious coming from Shaun King. More dumb analysis. And more evidence for my argument that NBC keeps this tool around simply to stir the pot. (Pun intended)
October 24th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
Point of Order!….what does Shaun King know about being a franchise QB? I mean come on….he sucked as our QB. I’d take Freeman back before I would take King.
October 24th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
Well the “takes one to know one” theory comes into play here, that’s for sure.
But I can’t disagree. Glennon’s deep balls are REALLY lacking. His TD to VJAX last week was underthrown and was basically a wrestling match.
October 24th, 2013 at 5:05 pm
Your Shaun King hate is just stupid
October 24th, 2013 at 5:11 pm
Alex Smith is faring pretty well without the deep ball. Just sayin’
October 24th, 2013 at 5:11 pm
I don’t value King’s ability to judge QBs because he was so wrong about Josh Freeman.
Also, what does Shaun King know about strong arms and deep balls anyway? That dude had a weenie arm.
October 24th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
Go to his college tape
Clear evidence he can hit the deep ball.
King is a Freemanite, what do you expect?
October 24th, 2013 at 5:13 pm
You’re right Shaun….he doesn’t have a big time arm like you did…he isn’t mobile like you were but he could probably win if he had your defense.
Maybe if he ate a few more pork chops…he would develop some armstengh like yours.
“Shaun King, one of two Buc Quarterbacks that lost a NFC Championship Game when his defense gave up 11 or fewer points.”
October 24th, 2013 at 5:17 pm
shaun king and duemeg proably write love letters to josh everynight. Dear Josh,
I’ll protect you from the big bad man at one buc place!
October 24th, 2013 at 5:20 pm
I think Shaun Kng is a total tool but I can’t say I disagree with his analysis here.
What I’ve seen from Glennon so far is very good accuracy on the short and intermediate passes but not much touch on his deep balls.
Tha’s not exactly earth shattering news from King.
October 24th, 2013 at 5:22 pm
If you watched the last two games Glennon deep throws are all under thrown not to mention that if he sees an open deep receiver and an open short one he will take the short target. I guess he knows what he can do.
@ShutTheBucUp
C’mon KC and SF didn’t win because Smith. Those wins are product of good coaching, so the comparison is not valid because we clearly don’t have an NFL HC…
October 24th, 2013 at 5:23 pm
But if Alex Smith was our QB for the entire season we are 4-2 at worst right now. He plays winning, if unspectacular, football.
October 24th, 2013 at 5:27 pm
All the draft experts including Mike Mayock were wrong when they said he had one of the strongest arms in the draft, yeah right. King has no idea what he’s talking about and his opinion just makes for a good laugh.
October 24th, 2013 at 5:28 pm
No, if Smith was here we would’ve been 0-6 Smith released and Glennon starting cause the bad coaching
October 24th, 2013 at 5:29 pm
Saying he had one of the strongest arms in the draft is not the same as saying he has a strong arm. Maybe everyone else didn’t have a strong arm…
October 24th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
For all the crap that is put out you know what counts? KING, Freeman, Glennon,(who has only played 3 games) Matty Ice, Newton. They are all equal. Long ball or not NONE have a Super Bowl.
October 24th, 2013 at 5:31 pm
Tape doesn’t lie
He hasn’t suddenly forgot how to hit the deep ball.
Watch his college tape, or is the college field shorter???
Lol riiiiiggght
October 24th, 2013 at 5:33 pm
Shaun “Burger” King critiquing a NFL quarterback…wow…Rex Grossmans opinion on QB’s holds more weight than this bonehead…
Note to Shaun, you suck dog, period; 1 of the best defenses in NFL history is what lead the Bucs to that NFC title game; NOT you…
and as I recall Mr. KiNg “one of three QBs to lead the Bucs to the NFC title game” never even reached the endzone that game so Shut up Fat Boy; I cant believe they pay this guy to spew this garbage…everything that comes out of his mouth is pure garbage…this is the same idiot that said we shoulda paid Freeman…Smfh…
October 24th, 2013 at 5:38 pm
I don’t doubt he has a strong arm but a strong arm with no touch is useless.
If you watch his college tape yes he made some deep throws but many of the throws the reciever has to slow down to catch the ball or come back to the throw.
Many of the deep balls that he completed in college would be picks in the NFL.
Im not saying that he won’t learn to be a better deep ball QB but so far in the 3 games we have seen he hasn’t shown that he can complete the long passes save for one spectacular catch by VJax.
This is not opinion… it is a fact based on what is on tape so far.
October 24th, 2013 at 5:46 pm
Exactly d-money most of those deep throws he made were to wide open receivers with little pressure as well where in the NFL you may get 3 of those per year…
And to those that bring the college stuff (sound like a HC I know) why do I have to watch the college throws when I have NFL throws to watch. He is playing in the NFL isn’t he?
October 24th, 2013 at 5:49 pm
Yes cause he’s thrown a plethora of passes deep these three games.
And it is definitely your opinion that they would be picks in the NFL lol.
Same field length.
P.S. those long passes you described sound a lot like Freeman’s deep balls lol
Yet our receivers still were able to stop and win the jump ball battles.
We have two of the best at that, and last week was evidence of that. How many times have our two guys done the same thing in the past?
Numerous times while Free was QBing.
October 24th, 2013 at 5:50 pm
Way to early to say he cant throw the deep ball. Like PR said, his college tape shows he can launch it with the best of them. The deep ball will come with more time and chemistry with the receivers.
October 24th, 2013 at 5:50 pm
It’s Sully’s fault that people think he can’t throw deep. He isn’t calling for the deep passes nearly as much now that Free is gone. When Sully first got here he was scared to call for the deep throw and Josh would either check the ball down or make a horrible pass on a slant route. But when Sully started letting Freeman throw it deep last season, we got on a roll! Free was hitting VJax and Williams with deep balls that came up huge for us and got us some wins last year, then we collapsed and finished 7-9. Sully has to start calling for throws down the field just a little more. We won’t have Dougie tonight so unless Mike James can come up big (he has the potential) then the offense will rest solely on Glennon’s shoulders, and Sully’s calls.
October 24th, 2013 at 5:53 pm
@PRBucsFan
You do realize that he has not completed many, right?
October 24th, 2013 at 5:54 pm
Its the defense that I’m worried tonight. How to stop Cam Newton, DeAngelo Williams, and especially Steve Smith. We stopped ’em last season on the ground but that was when we had Quincy Black and Michael Bennett on the front-7. We also had some success against them in the air, still lovin’ the hit that Barron made on Smith in the opener, if that same exact play happens tonight, though, watch out for the yellow hankies because Roger Goodell has made this a league for softies.
October 24th, 2013 at 5:56 pm
Hey fat boy has a point he doesn y have the deep ball arm strength and accuracy we’ve all seen that decent back up is what I see I agree with kings take even though I hate king opinion an view points because there mostly bias anyway but he hit the nail on the head on to the draft bridgewater mariotta, or hundley id b happy with either 1 plus a brand new coach superbowl or bust baby or at the least the playoffs sram so much brighter then this turd they call a season so im all game BUC IT IM OUT!!!
October 24th, 2013 at 5:57 pm
You do realize he has not thrown many right?
And that was my point lol.
Point also being that the “type of pass” described “if it were true” would be no problem cause that exactly how Freeman’s deep balls were lol.
Yet our receivers still caught the balls.
October 24th, 2013 at 6:00 pm
That and “Revis Island” has looked more like “Revis Sandbar” lately because Sheridan won’t let the guy play some man coverage, then lies about it everybody despite the film. If he can’t play man because of his gimpy knee then he shouldn’t be covering Steve Smith tonight, either that or stick the safety on him just in case.
October 24th, 2013 at 6:00 pm
Yeah and most of them are under thrown including the one he completed to V-Jax…
October 24th, 2013 at 6:00 pm
Damn I hate the Panthers…
October 24th, 2013 at 6:02 pm
Matty Ice threw that long ball real well last week. But then again look who he threw against. If not for our own stupid DC calls and Banks again they would have lost.
October 24th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
I think the only people that like the Panthers are Panthers fans. Them and their dumb “Super Cam” and “Yes we CAM” and “CAMOLINA!”….idiots.
October 24th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
Lol Actually if anything they were over and out of bounds lol where the defender had no play on it. 😉
Deep, high, under thrown, jump balls are Freeman’s forté
October 24th, 2013 at 6:05 pm
“most of them”
October 24th, 2013 at 6:10 pm
PR doing his daily teasing of the remnant Freemanites. Lol
October 24th, 2013 at 6:15 pm
Most of his deep balls have been out of bounds because his recievers were covered. I think he has been fearful of laying the ball up.
I noticed he hit a few deep passes in preseason. I think he will become more aggerssive as the season moves forward.
October 24th, 2013 at 6:15 pm
Ahahaha You know it Couch.
Relentless
October 24th, 2013 at 6:16 pm
Glennon’s arm strength and mobility look to be on the same level as Brad Johnson, and as I remember he won a Superbowl here
October 24th, 2013 at 6:17 pm
TBBF Exactly
Which is why I pointed out they were over and out of bounds “where the defender had no play on it”.
October 24th, 2013 at 6:20 pm
Glennon’s arm strength, accuracy and mobility look to be on the level of Brad Johnson, and as I recall he won a Superbowl here
October 24th, 2013 at 6:22 pm
I can’t stand looking at Mike Silver he’s all giddy like he’s enjoying the demise of a numb being.
I want him gone but the extreme of the RIPPING is extraordinary.
It’s kind of sad, reminds me of high school gossip
October 24th, 2013 at 6:22 pm
human* not numb ahaha
October 24th, 2013 at 6:25 pm
People have questioned lots of QBs’ deep ball accuracy, including Stafford and Ryan. Those guys were able to make adjustments and improve that area of their game.
Plus, deep passes are low-percentage plays anyway. So, except for the truly elite passers, most QBs deep ball accuracy is inconsistent from one season to the next.
Glennon’s deep ball accuracy will need to improve over time for him to be viewed as a true franchise-caliber QB. But to say, after three games, that he simply lacks the ability to complete deep passes is ridiculous.
Just a couple of seasons ago, Vince Young had the third-best deep ball percentage in the league. Where is he starting now?
Glennon has already broken the league record for most pass completions by a QB in his first three starts. He’s also tied Andrew Luck for the record for most TD passes by a QB in his first three starts. So, it seems like there might be something to build on.
As for tonight, I hope Sullivan works a lot of designed rollouts into the game plan for Glennon. This will help neutralize the pressure from Carolina’s front seven, and Glennon is very accurate throwing on the move.
October 24th, 2013 at 6:55 pm
For Petes Sake. Since when did Shaun King start to know what the hell he is talking about. I like Shaun but he is plenty wrong, quite often. Not to mention this guy has had his BUCS hate hat on for quite some time.
Glennon has looked like an above average rookie for 3 games. Is he the answer, who knows… Those saying they “know” are full of spit or trying to sell you something…
October 24th, 2013 at 7:05 pm
Add Gruden and Greg Cossell to the list of those vouching for Glennon’s arm strength. The deep ball needs work though.
October 24th, 2013 at 7:16 pm
Again I will point this out since even Joe does NOT watch film or go back and see the 59 yd TD to Jackson. Jackson was NEVER, I repeat NEVER behind the defender. The defender was in behind Jackson with his back turned to the ball.
Glennon threw the ball so all Jackson had to do was make an adjustment to the ball and catch it. If Jackson would have been running behind the defender and had to come back to the ball I would agree it was under thrown but that is not the case. It was actually overthrown a bit. It would have been better if Jackson could have just crossed over and remained in front of the defender to make the catch but he had to get behind the defender to get to the ball. Still, it was thrown to a place that only Jackson was going to get the ball. When a defenders back is to the ball the QB throws as though he’s not even there because essentially, until he turns around to see the ball, he’s not. It was a good throw by Glennon. Not perfect, but good. As far as the other throws…I have yet to see a receiver running free with space between himself and the defender that Glennon overthrew. The throw to Martin that Martin got injured on was a beautiful throw. Again…only Martin had a chance to make a play on the ball.
As Glennon gets more confident in his chemistry with the receivers I know you’ll see more deep balls but right now he’s more concerned about turnovers than anything. We start winning he’ll loosen up.
October 24th, 2013 at 7:32 pm
Prbucfan, Bobby
Mike Glennon doesn’t have a big arm, and can’t throw the deep bowl.
It’s Josh Freeman’s fault!
October 24th, 2013 at 7:33 pm
If Glennon was our Quarterback instead of King during those years we would have more than 1 Lombardi trophy.
October 24th, 2013 at 7:38 pm
Glennon’s arm strength, accuracy and mobility are on the same level as Brad Johnson, and as I recall he won a Superbowl here
October 24th, 2013 at 7:41 pm
PRBucfan,
In the spirit of fairness, I actually believe Glennon is a better overall quarterback than Freeman already, he just has better pedigree. But the question is how special is he and can he be a solid starter. However, can he be special?
I really like Glennon and I don’t care about King assessment because he didn’t have a Big Arm. Brady doesn’t have a big arm and Brees arm isn’t big but he makes all the throws. Point is we are in a great situation overall. Just need to end Schiano tenure.
Freeman actually looked very helpless and I can’t understand what and why he regressed but anyhow he looks inadequate. Sad but oh well…
October 24th, 2013 at 7:42 pm
Glennon’s arm strength, accuracy and mobility look to be on the same level as Brad Johnson, and as I recall he won a Superbowl here
October 24th, 2013 at 7:46 pm
Shaun King was a QB?
October 24th, 2013 at 7:48 pm
Because you say so? Tape disagrees with you, So does Gruden..
I thought you were done crying about Freeman?
I gave you too much credit I guess.
You clearly still can’t stay quite when someone talks about Free Free in a way you don’t like.
He still sucks 😉
October 24th, 2013 at 7:50 pm
When you look at arm strength, accuracy and mobility, I think Glennon compares to Brad Johnson. And as I recall he won a Superbowl here
October 24th, 2013 at 7:53 pm
He’s better than Free Free 😉
Than again I guess that’s not saying much.
Every QB is right now lol.
October 24th, 2013 at 7:57 pm
I think Mike’s arm strength, mobility and accuracy are comparable to Brad Johnson, and I recall him winning the Big One here
October 24th, 2013 at 8:10 pm
@MR. Patrick….is there an echo in here????
October 24th, 2013 at 8:16 pm
@d-money
“If you watch his college tape yes he made some deep throws but many of the throws the reciever has to slow down to catch the ball or come back to the throw.”
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Just like 75% of the deep balls thrown on the NFL level. The receiver almost always has to adjust. Just how often do you see the deep ball caught in stride? How many of the throws to Calvin Johnson are just jump balls that he goes up and gets? The QB’s job is to get the ball to the receiver in a vicinity that he can make a play on the ball with low risk of a pick.
October 24th, 2013 at 8:18 pm
Classy, PRB. You berate fans in advance of the MNF game for what might be said IF he performed well in one game, declaring it doesn’t count unless it’s a whole season… Yet you continually harp (after one game) about how bad he is and how right you are. We’ll see, time will tell. Regardless, Freeman and Glennon have an equal # of wins this year.
October 24th, 2013 at 8:36 pm
Brilliant analysis, Burger King. surprised you could get that out between mouthfuls. Brad Johnson didn’t have a bigtime arm either. I guess he turned out okay. Have another fried pie, chunky.
October 25th, 2013 at 1:11 am
Shaun just keep assaulting the buffet lines acroos Tampa. Your opinions are worthless