“He Can’t Help It If The End Doesn’t Do His Job”
October 28th, 2013
Gerald McCoy is a consensus star defensive tackle. For those who missed it last week, Warren Sapp said McCoy may be better than he was.
Joe’s asked the question a few times; if McCoy is so good, then how bad must the Bucs’ defensive ends be if they can’t get sacks, despite a disruptive beast of a tackle inside of them?
Longtime Bucs tight end Dave Moore, the Buccaneers Radio Network color analyst, defended McCoy today on the Ron and Ian Show on WDAE-AM 620.
In the segment audio below, Moore also explains in detail that McCoy’s explosion and disruption can’t be denied. “He can’t help it if the end doesn’t do his job.” Moore concluded.
Earlier, Moore talks about Adrian Clayborn losing “contain” on pass rush games, as another example of what’s ailing the Bucs’ anemic pass rush from its front four.
Former Bucs defensive end Steve White, speaking on WHFS-FM 98.7 last week, also offered harsh criticism of Clayborn. White’s take is that Clayborn has somewhat given up on his edge rush moves because they’ve been unsuccessful.
It’s a sad commentary on the state of the Bucs. Rock star general manager Mark Dominik invested heavily in Da’Quan Bowers and Adrian Clayborn, including waving goodbye to Michael Bennett as part of that investment, with very little to show for it. The Bucs can’t generate a four-man pass rush.
October 28th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
Again- both coming off injuries, both basically second year players, both drowning in Schianos scheme of looping stunts, or both DEs drop in coverage on passing downs.
It’s an insanity to expect much out of anyone on the team- with the lil pasta Nazi calling the shots.
Both of our DEs will be tremendous- with another year of recover/experience.
Plus a REAL coach and DC.
October 28th, 2013 at 1:10 pm
Based on Bennett’s comments last week and what he signed for in Seattle, it’s more likely that he said goodbye to the Bucs.
October 28th, 2013 at 1:13 pm
Maybe Clayborn’s knee isn’t 100%. It’s one of the many themes of this season, relying on players coming back from serious injuries, Clayborn, Revis, Joseph. Along with Bowers not panning out and failing to sign pass rush help, it’s safe to say the GM and coaches missed the mark on their player evaluations.
October 28th, 2013 at 1:16 pm
I think there are about 6-7 starting players that have given up on both sides of the ball. I haven’t narrowed them down yet, but Clayborn is one of them.
October 28th, 2013 at 1:16 pm
We need to bring in Gholsten & Means and give them an opportunity to play instead of Teo….who is not performing.
October 28th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
Ian Beckles later went on to say he respectfully didn’t agree with Dave Moore’s assessment. I would think Ian would know since he played guard and faced a lot of DT’s, but it’s odd that the rest of the world seems to disagree with him.
October 28th, 2013 at 1:26 pm
Beckles disagreed pretty strongly.
I would aligned myself with Beckles.
I would dispute he is a consensus star DT.
October 28th, 2013 at 1:37 pm
I hate to say it but this year the “Rockstar” is looking more and more like a terrible GM. Freeman, Bowers, Clayborn, he brought in Eric Wright, MRSA infected Nicks and these are just his failures in the last year or so. In the offseason he was trying to pickup Carson Palmer who is almost as interception prone as Freeman was. Dominick needs to go, his name is all over this train wreck and Schiano should go too. This is a coaching and General Manager complete failure. This team has talent and we completely stink.
October 28th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
Someone might want to explain why we disassembled the #1 defense against the run in the NFL. McCoy was a pro bowler with that line. Somebody guessed wrong!
October 28th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
pretty much the whole team is under performing, especially the DL. I dont know how you can attribute that to anything other than coaching. our coaches are not getting the best out of these players, and its probably for a number of reasons. I can agree that we are lacking in some talent at the DE positions, the combination of Teo, Gholston, and Means are not getting it done. but I dont think that should be used as an excuse.
October 28th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
the only two bright spots on the team that I can see are Levante David and Jonathan Casillas, and maybe Mike Glennon.
October 28th, 2013 at 1:54 pm
What im wondering is how schanio thinks you can contain with your de running a inside stunt blame the scheme u lost contain when u sent your contain man inside that jow leaves your dt to get his outside shoulder upfield an contain but to expect mccoy to chase newton to the sideline an win that battle then your really on the good stuff lmao cam newtons td run go look at the tape the one where he walked n the in zone clayborne stunts n an its up to mccoy to contain because the corners are man to man an plauong off by the wau so I hope u wrrent expecring the guy ten yds off the ball with a reciever blocking between him an the ball carrier to hold containment. … all I want is a coach who places us n a position to succeed
October 28th, 2013 at 1:54 pm
To Clayborn’s defense, on that TD run to the left by Newton, he was executing that damn DE stunt to the A gap. How was he supposed to keep contain when he’s told to shoot to the interior? Coach said it was poor execution, but the tape shows it was just a busted play call that put us in that situation.
October 28th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
Word all we need is a chance hell if we still suck im fine with that but we lose just by having the assclown take the podium afyer each lose an say he needs to get better. …..no shit sherlock but do us all a favor get better elsewhere we dont havr time for u to learn on the go maybe if u had wins we’d b more incline to tolerate your shortcummings but when your n conversation with the jaguars then your doing nothing but beating a dead horse an thats like tough talking a dead guy u get no cool points for that 2014 or bust hey bridgewater just try to keep that throwing arm healthy will ya thanks n advance
October 28th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Let’s also not forget that George Selvie, who the Bucs cut, is doing extremely well in Dallas
October 28th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
As I’ve stated many times, Dominick is a terrible “football guy”, evidenced by the reoccurring theme of “reaching” for players that ultimately underachieve and end up hurt. While I believe Schiano will need a winning record for the remaining games to keep his job another year, Dominick is the source of his PR misery. Those two have been butting heads from Day 1 that Schiano was brought in. Have you noticed how hard the players continue to play yet there’s this “tyrant” perception about Schiano. That doesn’t add up. The more and more we realize that none of Dominick’s moves are even remotely decent, the more of a “tyrant” Schiano becomes. Everyone talks about the “bold” moves Dominick made, yeah they were splash moves but we have ZERO DEPTH on this team and are overpaying for mediocrity on the O-LINE, D-LINE, AND SECONDARY AS WELL AS WR’S. Just because you pay the most for a player doesnt mean you necessarily made a great move, it means you HAD to PAY THE MOST TO GET THEM TO COME TO YOU.
October 28th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
You know what seems to be forgotten?
The “story” that got leaked to the press about how the reason Bennett wasn’t offered a contract because he played last year injured. Hmm… Bennett injured… leaked to the press to explain some strange move the Bucs front office makes. And Freeman’s medical information seemed to find its way to the press as well.
Something is very moldy at 1-Buc and I’m not talking about the locker room conditions.
October 28th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Same ole same ole story, didnt we hear how much the new secondary would help our the dline’s pass rush this offseason? I like McCoy alot but he’s no Sapp at least until he gets some stud edge rushers apparently
October 28th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
glad we spent premium picks on b price, d bowers , clayborn, m lewis!!!! and our starting d end d teo couldn’t start on any other team. sad!
October 28th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
I can’t stand how everyone keeps trying to find something good in this shit sandwich the glazers are forcing us to eat by keeping schiano, Sullivan, Sheridan and crew.
October 28th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
It’s the coaching, for several reasons. It’s really bad, the scheme is ineffective in the NFL, and Schiano is such a dictator- that the players don’t particularly want it to succeed.
Don’t blame them
Yeah- let’s get Gholston and Means some playing time. The most valuable thing for them is experience. This is a good year to get them time!
October 28th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
McCoy simply hasn’t lived up to his draft position and I would not be opposed to letting him walk when his contract is up.
2010: McCoy and Price
2011: Clayborn and Bowers
There is a good chance all 4 will come down to being flops. Clayborn is solid, but he’s not an edge rusher. He’s the Greg Spires type. Good against the run and can get you 5-8 sacks a year.
McCoy is not a dominate DT. He’s good against the run and decent pass rusher. He can’t shed double teams. I wouldnt rank him amongst the top 5 DTs in the league.
1. Atkins
2. Suh
3. Justin Smith
4. Nick Fairly
5. Kyle Williams
Mark Dominik hasn’t drafted well.
October 28th, 2013 at 8:04 pm
McCoy is an ELITE DT and if you’re saying otherwise. You are wrong. The problem with McCoy is he has NO help at all. Clayborn hustles but just isn’t technically sound and we play Te’o so much even though he has been absolutely horrific this year. McCoy can handle a lot but he is seeing double teams and to expect him to shed all double teams is unrealistic.
October 28th, 2013 at 10:45 pm
imagine what the bucs would look like he we signed no free agents??
we would be 0-17 sorta like turn it up to 11
October 29th, 2013 at 1:59 am
Nothing personal bucnasty, but could you put some periods at the end of the sentences you write so that I can understand what you are trying to say. The older I get the less patience I have; going on 70.
October 29th, 2013 at 9:34 am
Agree Coach80m, that’s absolutely painful to read. I think he might have some valid input but I get a headache reading it. No offense Bucnasty.