College “Issues” Following Glennon
October 23rd, 2013
NFL Draft guru and color analyst on Thursday Night Football, Mike Mayock, has put in loads of homework on Mike Glennon, including watching every throw of the Bucs’ quarterback this season.
Speaking on WDAE-AM 620 this morning, Mayock said he needs to see more of Glennon before labeling him a bust as a starter or a franchise quarterback prospect. Mayock said Glennon’s performance has been predictable — rookie mistakes mixed in with positives.
“The two big issues for him now are exactly what they were coming out of N.C. State: lack of mobility and a release. How quickly can he get the ball out of his hands,” Mayock said. “It’s one thing when you’re Matt Ryan and you can’t run fast but at least you can slide and move in the pocket. That’s what this kid has to show he can do.”
In three games, Glennon has two intentional grounding calls against him and one pass over the line of scrimmage. Clearly, he’s uncomfortable on the move. Somehow, the Bucs must find a way to coach those mistakes out of him. It’ll be interesting to see if Glennon can evolve and grow faster than defenses adjust to him.
Mayock’s full interview is below. Mayock also explains that he sees absolutely no quit in the Bucs on film.
October 23rd, 2013 at 10:11 am
If he were running more they would say he has to learn how to stand strong in the pocket, and that running is every rookie’s first choice as the pocket starts to break down. Yada yada yada.
October 23rd, 2013 at 10:12 am
“No Quit”….that’s a good thing…but I don’t know how long that can last without a win.
October 23rd, 2013 at 10:23 am
He had a great extension of a play towards the end of last game when he rolled out left, then looked like he was going to run out of bounds, but turned his shoulders, hugged the sideline, and through a completion. Pretty sure that play was called back due to a penalty though, since that’s what we do. He’s a third-game rookie, so I’m just enjoying rookie mistakes, rather than 5th-year vet mistakes.
October 23rd, 2013 at 10:25 am
Even being a rookie with only 3 starts he still plays better than Josh Freebow
October 23rd, 2013 at 10:36 am
He has 2 3rd and 14’s (i think that 2nd one was 3rd and 15) that he eluded the rush and scrambled to get first downs. Immobile QB’s can’t do that. I’m not saying he is a burner by any means but the guy can move when he needs to. A statue he is not.
October 23rd, 2013 at 10:38 am
Lets not expect this staff to improve or “coach up” anyone including Glennon. Our defensive guru coach has already been figured out by opposing offenses. For the second week in a row the Bucs opposing QB has even awarded NFC Player of the Week. It’s just pathetic
October 23rd, 2013 at 10:42 am
For a rookie 3rd round pick playing in only his 4th NFL game; I think he’s doing O.K. Not lighting it up, but at least giving us a chance to win. Seems more accurate than Freeman ever was so give the kid a chance defense and I think he’ll deliver.
October 23rd, 2013 at 10:45 am
Please stop with the Glennon excuses. I don’t blame the kid he’s a 3rd round quarterback so I don’t have high expectations for him but to pretend he’s going to develop into some stud franchise QB is naïve & foolish. He has a few tools and several glaring holes (long delivery, accuracy issues, too deep of drop backs, inconsistent deep ball, lacks mobility, trouble reading & reacting to defensive shifts). At best he’s a marginal NFL starter, more likely he’ll serve as a good to above average back up QB. Please Bucs fans let’s not fall victim of making excuses for the new guy because he’s not the old guy. Glennon isn’t our long term solution at QB, he’s merely a stop gap. I’m rooting for him but keeping perspective, the Bucs need to draft a legit QB in the 2014 draft & hopefully with a “non-red faced dictator cliché face coach” but a new innovative offensive coach to develop under. Go Bucs!
October 23rd, 2013 at 10:51 am
Nobodies making excuses for him, if anything after 3 games people are making excuses just to get rid of him. Kind of like your post.
October 23rd, 2013 at 10:57 am
Mike Mayock is only half right. Glennon has been mobile. He leaves protection all the time. He has run and attempted first downs. He has scrambled right and left. He has stepped forward.
But Mike Mayock is right about Glennon holding onto the ball too long. In his first game he had quick releases…and threw two picks. I suspect he was warned to be “safe” with the ball, which has caused him to hesitate too much.
People complained that Freeman held onto the ball too long. Glennon does it about 2-3 times longer at times. I’m not saying he can’t fix it, but it IS an area that has to be addressed.
The problem is he’s holding on because Sullivan has likely put the fear into him. “Whatever you do, don’t turn the ball over.” type of stuff.
That’s fine, but for a rookie who just watched Freeman bite the dust (who he was close to), it’s only natural he’s over compensating in his efforts to avoid turnover. It’s making him nervous. Which is leading to mistakes as well (fumbles).
His other weakness, and it’s a big one, is the lack of accuracy on long passes. He has got to fix that if he’s going to succeed. Teams won’t worry if he goes long if he cannot connect. They’ll keep the box loaded and come at him hard, knowing he’ll hold onto the ball too long.
October 23rd, 2013 at 11:01 am
Matthew, nobody is expecting him to be a franchise QB. The NFL is littered with QBs whom no one thought would be starters, so I think that immediately saying he has no chance of being a franchise QB after 3 fairly solid games is the bigger mistake. How is “too deep of drop backs” the fault of Glennon first off? Second, his accuracy has been very good, just not on deep balls (so you’re right on one out of two there). I don’t think his delivery is too long; it’s about average (not Byron Leftwich, and not Peyton), and that can be worked on. Finally, I don’t see him having problems with the defensive shifts, and even if he did, I’d cite his 3 games of experience as a part of that anyway. All most people who are rooting for Glennon are saying is to give him some time and see if he can continue progressing. If not, I don’t think anyone is going to argue against a new QB whenever that person comes along.
October 23rd, 2013 at 11:05 am
Matthew Says
“…he’s a 3rd round quarterback so I don’t have high expectations for him but to pretend he’s going to develop into some stud franchise QB is naïve & foolish.”
Never say never. I’m skeptical as well, but you never know. It’s the lack of patience that costs franchises the elite QBs. Look at the Bucs and Steve Young, the Falcons and Brett Favre, etc. Teams, media and fans give up WAY too soon.
The Falcons played Brett Favre in 2 games. He had 4 pass attempts and two were picks. Green Bay took him and the rest is history.
I’m sure Falcons fans swore Favre would be a bust when 50% of his passes were picked off. no completions (unless you count the picks). He was even sacked once in those 4 plays. So 2 picks, a sack and an incompletion. If that happened to Glennon in Tampa he would be shown the door by every fan around.
So…you never know.
October 23rd, 2013 at 11:08 am
Mind you…I am not saying we should put all our eggs in one basket. I think we should draft a first round QB either way. Or get hold of a solid vet that unexpectedly comes available (Schuab).
October 23rd, 2013 at 11:27 am
So if Mike Glennon has accuracy issues, what does Josh Freeman have? Glennon is right around 60% which is what is considered average for a QB. It can definitely improve but I’d hardly call it an issue. Now Freeman in the low 40’s? There’s an accuracy issue.
October 23rd, 2013 at 11:54 am
Yards per attempt is a great indicator of QBs, 32nd is Mike Glennon 33rd is Josh Freeman
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/yardsPerPassAttempt
October 23rd, 2013 at 11:58 am
I never said to cut Glennon. Let him try to develop as a back up after we get a real QB. I took issue with people saying Glennon looked good. He looked mediocre vs 3 of the bottom half of the league defenses two of which were at home. Newton, Luck, RGIII, Russell Wilson is what I’d classify as looking good as rookies let’s not be so loose with our superlatives.
October 23rd, 2013 at 11:59 am
A first round QB is never a sure thing(Leaf, Carr, Freeman, Russell, Sanchez, Gabbert). I’d feel more comfortable with an established vet like a Rivers or Schaub who’s at least seen NFL defenses so other than verbiage and getting timing and familiarity with the receivers, you won’t have the steep learning curve. I’m not giving up on Glennon though. He’s played progressively better in each game and still has 10 games left this season as a dress rehearsal. He may be the guy, but time will tell.
October 23rd, 2013 at 12:03 pm
People really need to stop mentioning Philip Rivers. Unless the Bucs are giving up the RGIII package to get him (basically an offer the Chargers cannot refuse), he is going nowhere. He looks like a top 5 QB again with mediocre WR options, so why would the Chargers trade him? Schaub is terrible on a Freeman level so why would we want that again. The veteran QB market sucks this offseason, its either Glennon or a drafted QB who will be starting next year.
October 23rd, 2013 at 12:12 pm
The first round isn’t a guarantee you are right. Nothing in the NFL is a guarantee but in the last 30 years 12 of the 17 NFL QBs taken first overall ended up as Pro Bowlers. 5 won super bowls and 4 are sure fire hall of famers. It might not be a guarantee but it’s the best odds of you finding the solution at QB when no viable trade is available. An bucrightoff is correct you aren’t getting Phillip Rivers, the time to offer a trade for him was this last off season.
October 23rd, 2013 at 12:19 pm
Schaub is having a down year, but terrible on a Freeman level he’s not.
Schaub career- 64.3 Comp 23,496 Yds 128 TD 79 INT 90.9 Passer Rating
Freeman- 57.6 Comp 13,724 Yds 80 TD 67 INT 77.8 Passer Rating
October 23rd, 2013 at 12:23 pm
I’m just not that sold on the upcoming QB class also. There aren’t any safe bets like a Manning or Luck, so it’s a crapshoot. The one saving grace if they get a QB high is the rookie scale so youre not committing $60 mil guaranteed to a guy who hasn’t played a down yet.
October 23rd, 2013 at 1:52 pm
I think he’s doing ok.
My biggest concern, is that he has been terrible in the 4th quarter. Needs to improve that.
We will see how he does, when pressured. No one has had the players to pressure him so far.
Carolina, on the other hand- brings heat.
Will cross my fingers!
October 23rd, 2013 at 2:05 pm
Geees…doesn’t it just feel like every national talking head is picking on the BUCS right now about everything.
If a third round QB put up the three games that Glennon did but for the Eagles or Rams, they’d be like “better than we expected.” Instead, people are hating.
He was a third round pick. The fact that he has looked OK should get people off his back for the year.
God we need to start winning and shut these people the F up…
October 23rd, 2013 at 3:08 pm
Better then we expected? I’d say he’s playing exactly how most of us expected, like a 3rd round draft pick mediocre rookie. It’s not a criticism it’s just who he is. He’s 32nd in the league in yards per attempt, a QB rating under 80 at 77.1 and a completion percentage below 60%. All while facing bad defenses two of which were at home. We’ve been beaten down as Bucs fans so much it’s sad what passes as “Good or Better then expected” QB play these days. Alex Smith led his team to an NFC championship and lost his job because a better more talented QB who could make plays came along. We have to stop settling for mediocre in this case Glennon & get our first ever franchise QB.
October 23rd, 2013 at 8:16 pm
This is a straight up hack job from joe and duimeg.
these two clowns hate schanio, so they are both rooting for schanio to fail.
this is not something you would expect from local media, unless of course anger drives up listener’s and page views.
don’t fall for their BS.
Freeman is why we are 0-6.
I see us winning tomorrow night. 3 tds no ints from glennon.
freeman will be cut by Minnesota and never play again.
October 24th, 2013 at 7:06 am
Freeman is why we are 0-6
I’m, you know he’s been gone for 3 games- right?
You read he Mike Williams Quote, that Said Glennon was getting half of the snaps with the the first string offense , since OTas and training camp- right?
Then, you think he has a Buc Voodoo doll, that he’s stabbing with needles- right? All the way from Minnesota-right?
No. Greg Schiano is the reason we are 0-6. He’s the reason we are 1-12.
No one player causes a loosing streak like that- and it’s rather laughable you would blame a player who has been gone a month.
The players hate Schiano. And have tuned him out. He’s an ass. I’m with them 100% on this.
Where ever , or whatever that other kid is doing- has no effect on this team. He’s gone
Get it thru your head. And get over it