Andy Reid Effect Could Help Oust Schiano
October 23rd, 2013
An interesting point was made this afternoon on Pro Football Talk Live, the NBC Sports show hosted by Mike Florio, who implied that the fast turnaround in Kansas City likely will inspire NFL owners to be more quick to fire head coaches of struggling yet talented teams.
As always, owners are always seeking trends that can help their clubs, and perhaps Andy Reid’s revival job with the undefeated Chiefs will inspire quick moves for new head coaches that are less about cleaning house and more about maximizing what’s in place.
Reid walked into a talented roster in Kansas City that won just two games last season. Hmm. That has a familiar feel to it. Ironically, Schiano and Reid are longtime friends, dating back to Schiano’s days at Rutgers.
The topic was raised during Florio’s coaching “hot seat” feature, which placed Greg Schiano as No. 1 on the list. Below him were Leslie Frazier, Gary Kubiak, Jim Schwartz and Joe Philbin.
Whether this theory applies to Schiano remains to be seen. On his current course, Schiano will be fired regardless.
October 23rd, 2013 at 2:04 pm
I don’t believe there will be an Andy Reid available on the coaching market (and please no one say Cowher… the guy hasn’t coached in 7 years), so that may give Schiano another year (if he can salvage something at all from this season, that is).
October 23rd, 2013 at 2:08 pm
Cowher….there….I said it!!!
October 23rd, 2013 at 2:10 pm
I think this team Is the Chiefs east!
With two or three pcs, and a COMPETENT coach and staff- I believe this could be a team fighting for the playoffs.
This team has some talent. Just doesn’t have anyone capable of utilizing that Talent!
October 23rd, 2013 at 2:12 pm
And Cowher works for me
October 23rd, 2013 at 2:14 pm
Rob Ryan
October 23rd, 2013 at 2:18 pm
chiefs are in a crap division except denver and they haven’t played yet!
October 23rd, 2013 at 2:23 pm
Im trying to think of a scenario where Schiano doesnt get fired and I just cant come up with one short of us winning out the rest of the way. maybe, just maybe, 5 to 7 wins could possibly be enough to keep his job or I could just be way off on that one. regardless, even a 5 win season is looking very unlikely at this point, not impossible, just unlikely.
October 23rd, 2013 at 2:34 pm
if/when Schiano does get fired, would like to see us bring in a coach with some actual NFL head coaching experience. we’ve tried the young promising assistant coach route, we’ve tried the college head coach route, its time to bring in someone with NFL head coaching experience.
October 23rd, 2013 at 2:34 pm
Why are people so enamored with Cowher? The guy won two Super Bowls, yes, over a 15 year period, but was still just 12-9 in the playoffs with a 62% win percentage for his career. It’s a good coaching resume, yes, but it was from 1992-2006. I was a great pool installer 10 years ago, but I’ve had a different job since then, so I’m fairly certain I’d be getting sued by someone if I tried to put in a pool today. The game is so incredibly different today than it was 7+ years ago, and the athletes are as well. I’m not saying I’d go cry somewhere if we hired Cowher, but I am just curious why so many people want him here.
October 23rd, 2013 at 2:35 pm
@Andrew 1
I really hate saying this but I think 2-3 games is most likely…..I am just hoping we don’t get skunked….
October 23rd, 2013 at 2:37 pm
Cower is so overrated. I don’t know what coaches are really out there but I know that I don’t want anyone from our coaching staff and I don’t want Lovie or Cower. We need someone that can get some points on the board.
October 23rd, 2013 at 2:41 pm
@ Tampabaybucfan
if 2-3 wins happen, theres no way he’s coming back imo.
October 23rd, 2013 at 2:53 pm
the new coach killer Josh Freeman…..Raheem Morris, Greg Schiano, Leslie Frazier……quite a resume
October 23rd, 2013 at 2:56 pm
Great… Freeman has a concussion.
He won’t play Sunday.
And he earned more excuses. He seriously should just run for president one day.
October 23rd, 2013 at 3:01 pm
I’m going to say Cowher
October 23rd, 2013 at 3:06 pm
i watched that whole game and didnt see freeman get hit one time in the head. Concussion my ass!
October 23rd, 2013 at 3:07 pm
I like Cowher, but, for one he has been out of the game for a while. For two, I think he could end up in NY if they sack Coughlin, or Charlotte if the Panthers have a downturn. He has a house in NC and lives mostly in Manhattan.
Who else?
Lovie? Eh. Not bad but he have seen what he can do.
I’m more excited about getting a badarse GM who comes from a strong franchise, like the Ravens Asst. GM. I’d much rather trust someone like that picking the next coach.
October 23rd, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Ive been saying that I feel we are the Chiefs of 2012! We need a competant coaching staff and draft another QB and see who seperates themselves!
Problem is, there aren’t a possible coaching canidates that I love! I’m willing to go just about any route at this point though!
October 23rd, 2013 at 3:08 pm
Mike Zimmer will be a hell of a head coach for someone
October 23rd, 2013 at 3:09 pm
I’ll take Gruden back (of course if he wins a Super Bowl, you jerks will all say he did it with Schiano’s team).
Here’s what you do – you bring Gruden back, and let’s face it: the only reason why he was fired was because the Broncos were talking to Raheem to be head coach and the Glazers feared losing the next Mike Tomlin. That’s why it took so long to fire Gruden, they flipped out.
Now Gruden’s back… you PROMOTE DOMINIK to VP of Football Operations and his job is to manage the CAP – AND THAT’S IT. The guy can’t pick a winner in a 1-horse race, but I’ll give him credit: his cap management with Jackson, Revis, and Nicks has been second-to-none.
Then you hire Scott Pioli as your GM in charge of Talent Eval. The guy put the Chiefs together, save one FA QB and a coach. That’s what you need to manage the draft.
Now you have a heirarchy.
October 23rd, 2013 at 3:19 pm
I Believe Cowher won one SB…the courtesy one vs. Seattle. I’d personally prefer Billick…I think he deserves another crack at NFL coaching.
October 23rd, 2013 at 3:21 pm
Bill Polian for GM? I know hes been out of the league for a couple of seasons, but hes been very successful.
October 23rd, 2013 at 3:22 pm
Viking Fans seem all to happy to have Ponder back after just 1 Freeman start. To funny
October 23rd, 2013 at 3:34 pm
Jonbuc, you’re correct. I meant two SB appearances; one win. Billick was supposedly black-balled for being an egotistical jerk (sound familiar). I like him as a talent evaluator and coach though if he were ever able to get back into the league. Guy never had a QB, but always was right there. Another year or two though and he may be in Cowher status as being out too long.
October 23rd, 2013 at 3:40 pm
I am so glad this is getting the press it is now getting !!!!
Absolutely !!!! This is a very talented roster, much like the 49ers with Mike Singletary to Harbaugh and now the Chiefs Crennel to Reid change.
Why they thought a .500 coach from a second tier football program in a third tier conference would be “the man” is baffling in the first place. Lets have Schiano run us into the ground, we are fighting with Jacksonville for that first QB next year.
October 23rd, 2013 at 3:42 pm
mvermulm:
I’ve heard the same stories about Billick as well. I sense he’s been humbled a bit ( no way of knowing for sure ) in his broadcasting style…perhaps as has Gruden as well. I think going to the college coaching well is more of an outhouse for the Bucs ( K. Sumlin is intriguing, however ). Leeman Bennett thinks Schiano is a bad coach and Ray Perkins thinks he’s a jerk it’s gotten so bad. 🙂
October 23rd, 2013 at 3:43 pm
How can you tell if Freeman had a concussion? Over thrown balls? Unaware? Generally confused? Heck he may have had a concussion since after the 10-6 season.
October 23rd, 2013 at 3:56 pm
Charlie Strong and draft Bridgewater
October 23rd, 2013 at 4:00 pm
lol there’s even a fire Schiano website.
October 23rd, 2013 at 4:15 pm
No top coaching talent on the radar will be coming to Tampa in 2014. Take it to the bank.
October 23rd, 2013 at 4:15 pm
What I want to know…. is what coach will make the Dungy/Raheem loving Gruden/Schiano hating fans happy?
October 23rd, 2013 at 4:24 pm
@DomsAdvisor, you’ve got the fans split down racial lines there, champ.
Ironic because this team went in the can as soon as Obama went in office.
October 23rd, 2013 at 4:26 pm
There are some good candidates out there now, but there will be even more later in the year. What if Coughlin leaves or gets fired? The Glazers better fuel up the jet and go get him. Jay Gruden will most likely be a hot candidate. You just never know who is going to end up being available. Won’t happen, but what if Mike Tomlin becomes available? I think Kubiak may be gone. I just don’t want the coach to be named Schiano, or be a college coach.
October 23rd, 2013 at 4:27 pm
@DallasBuc
So, you think the Glazers, after firing Schiano, would hire Charlie Strong? Another college coach with even less NFL coaching background than Schiano had coming in, from the same college conference?
Somehow, I just don’t see that happening.
October 23rd, 2013 at 4:31 pm
If they even interview Charlie Strong, there should be riots on the streets of Tampa.
October 23rd, 2013 at 4:36 pm
Ill take Ken Whisenhunt please!
October 23rd, 2013 at 4:38 pm
Stv Dpg will not tolerate Jay Gruden.
But he sure loves Rich Bisaccia and the late Raheem Morris.
October 23rd, 2013 at 4:41 pm
Whiz was outstanding in Arizona without a qb for most his time there. When he had one the team made the playoffs and the Super Bowl. He goes to the San Diego and rechargers(see what I did there) Phillip Rivers. This guy could be the guy. Bring in a good d coordinator draft a franchise qb(no matter what that qb will be better than what he had in Arizona, hell Glennon is already better than anyone he had in Arizona) and let Whiz take care of the rest.
October 23rd, 2013 at 4:42 pm
Joe Philbin would have been nice out of those. With our luck Rex Ryan will be our next coach.
October 23rd, 2013 at 4:42 pm
I can’t wait for JBF, the Joes, to get their own radio slot on sports radio.
October 23rd, 2013 at 4:43 pm
The only college coach I would take right now is Shaw but I do t think he is leaving Stafford right after signing a new contract.
October 23rd, 2013 at 4:46 pm
I’d like to see an offensive-minded head coach with solid NFL experience. Greg Roman, Ken Whisenhunt, Pete Carmichael, Pep Hamilton, and Tom Clements all come to mind.
October 23rd, 2013 at 4:47 pm
I’ve been preaching this since the first loss this season. The Bucs have too much talent to be this bad. Look, I have nothing against Greg Schiano the person, and I’m not ruling out success for Schiano either, I just don’t see it happening with the Buccaneers. Bring in an experienced NFL guy and let him bring in his own GM if he wants (again, nothing personal Mark Dominik, loved your last couple drafts, appreciate the talent you brought it, but a season like this calls for a full house cleaning.) and this team will turn it around next season. I don’t know if Glennon will be the guy to help lead the turnaround, but with the right coaching staff, this team will be dangerous, and not MRSA dangerous, which is sadly about all they are at the moment.
October 23rd, 2013 at 4:47 pm
If the Giants are dumb enogh to fire Coughlin…I want him. He may even like the idea of taking Schiano’s job.
October 23rd, 2013 at 4:49 pm
Ken Weisenhunt my azz.
October 23rd, 2013 at 4:56 pm
@Illuminati Ill take pretty much any one of those. Though I’m not completely sold on Carmichael though
@DomsAdvisor if you really are his advisor that would explain why you wouldn’t want Whiz. The man took a team to the Super Bowl that had no business being there. Got them to the playoffs a few times and was fired because quarterbacks that were awful were expected carry them to the playoffs. Terrible management not coaching in Arizona during his tenure.
October 23rd, 2013 at 4:58 pm
Zimmer, Bevell, Roman, Whiz that’s the short list.
October 23rd, 2013 at 5:04 pm
Alex smith has a lower pass completion percentage than mike glennon.
Smith TD to int = 7-4 in 7 games.
Glennon TD to int = 5 – 3 in 3 games
I will take glennon.
October 23rd, 2013 at 5:06 pm
You clowns have all the answers.
Replace Glennon with Matt Schaub and now replace Schiano with Weisenhunt.
October 23rd, 2013 at 5:07 pm
@jo mama,
Nothing more to say, except LMAO!!!
October 23rd, 2013 at 5:28 pm
We should have hired Andy LAST YEAR after Philly released him. But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO………..
October 23rd, 2013 at 5:29 pm
Because the Jim Harbaugh effect helped get him the job in the first place.
Funny, that winning is something that others want to copy.
October 23rd, 2013 at 5:48 pm
Hell No to the Weis
Full steem ahead with Cowher (who gives a damn how long he’s been out)
Like he forgot how to coach lol please
OR
Beg for forgiveness and throw Chucky another massive deal he cannot refuse
OR
Mooch
DO NOT even sniff the collegiate level, not after Schiano
October 23rd, 2013 at 5:55 pm
Startin’ to feel a little bad for old Gregory Schiano. Saw his NFL Network session and he had a depressing face on and all the comments were riddled with the usual “FIRE SCHIANO” comments, but then some others were pretty harsh about making fun of the guy and coaching and all that. Its gotta be tough being on death row in the NFL, Schiano has to know that his days as the head coach are numbered and if tomorrow night goes awry (which is very likely), he’ll have to face all the Bucs fans (if any show up) at the Ray Jay. The last home game loss did not go over well with the Bucs faithful, and if the Bucs go to 0-7 it’s going to be a lot worse. I still want Schiano gone, this team is terrible in a major part because of him, but this fanbase has turned on him in a nasty way.
October 23rd, 2013 at 5:55 pm
I’d LOVE to see Lovie Smith in tampa.
A long with the number 3 pick Marcus Mariota
October 23rd, 2013 at 5:56 pm
Not counting Harbaugh for obvious reasons as he was an NFL QB… when was the last coach from college successful?
Seattles coach doesn’t count either as he was once with the Pats.
October 23rd, 2013 at 5:59 pm
@DomsAdvisor, Jimmy Johnson?
October 23rd, 2013 at 5:59 pm
@Walkdaplank
Tampa fans suck.
October 23rd, 2013 at 6:08 pm
I’m sure Jim Harbaugh’s brother… but he is still a Harbaugh… and he isn’t doing much since Ray Lewis retired and they traded Anquan Boldin.
October 23rd, 2013 at 6:19 pm
Guys, GRUDEN IS NEVER COMING BACK! The Glazers could get down on both knees and beg him to come back and he’d probably tell ’em to take a hike! And Cowher is done coaching, don’t think he’s gonna want to come out of retirement to coach this sorry team. I’d like to have either one of them, but it just ain’t gonna happen people.
October 23rd, 2013 at 6:22 pm
Exactly walkdaplank.
And not only that… the media would try to run him out of town from day 1.
Is there a guy that the media and fans want? At all?
October 23rd, 2013 at 6:29 pm
Butch Davis’ contract with UNC may be up in Dec….and with Wannstedt on board…it is possible that a loss tomorrow night may be the end of Schiano….not likely, but possible.
The Bucs will be a more attractive team to a new coach than ever before….we have young talent on the team, a high draft pick and not much will be needed to overcome this year’s failure.
We also will probably be able to offer a GM/HC position…that may attract a higher caliber coach.
October 23rd, 2013 at 6:32 pm
Thank God, Andy Reid is doing good. Otherwise, zero wins wouldn’t be a good enough reason to fire Schiano.
October 23rd, 2013 at 6:34 pm
One of the Joes asked Duemig, “What good would it do to fire Schiano right now?”
I can answer that. This fan base has suffered for what seems like a very very long time. We are dying for a good team to cheer for. This season so built up so much that the fans really did have hope. Until the team took the field. And took all hope away. I’ve never seen a fan base turn so quickly on a coach here. What good will it do to fire Schiano now? It would give the fans that are left a reason to hope. A reason to continue to watch.
I gotta believe the Glazers spent all that money on Free Agents along with buying up season tickets because they believed they were going to put out a half decent product this year…. They can’t be to happy about this. It’s clear that Schiano’s time here is counting down.
The Last few coaches they fired they took forever to pick the replacement. They are smart business men so I hope they see the mistake they made. Fire Schiano now. Put in an interim coach, doesn’t really matter who. Might as well suck for the rest of the season. Take your time and make the right choice. No waiting til the last seconds when all the other good coaches are scooped up.
October 23rd, 2013 at 6:37 pm
Touchdown Gus- wow, you’re right! Ken Whisenhut would be a great choice. Mike Zimner also brings good smarts to the table.
There are a lot of good people out there- who could turn this team around quickly- IMO.
Excited for a good one to get here.
October 23rd, 2013 at 6:39 pm
Rob Ryan!
October 23rd, 2013 at 6:42 pm
Josh Freeman has a concussion, Vikings may turn back to Ponder (OR MAY HE JUST SUCKS)
October 23rd, 2013 at 6:54 pm
How about Lovie Smith ?
October 23rd, 2013 at 7:04 pm
LOL Washington of course they have to come up with something
He was THAT horrible ahahaha
And course a certain someone would say bring in Weis lol
October 23rd, 2013 at 7:07 pm
Lovie Smith… :-/ because he did so well in Chicago.
Only way you bring Lovie in is as a defensive coordinator.
October 23rd, 2013 at 7:14 pm
Zimmer was and still is my choice.
October 23rd, 2013 at 7:16 pm
Please oh please no more college coaches…. We need someone used to coaching men with families and contracts, not kids….
October 23rd, 2013 at 7:23 pm
Agreed PRBucFan. To add to that I have to wonder if any NFL team will go the college route again anytime in the near future. The problem is that college coaches succeeding in the NFL as head coaches are the exception rather than the norm. The Buccaneers have become a case study as to why teams, in general, should stay away from college coaches.
October 23rd, 2013 at 7:30 pm
No Cowher. No Gruden. The Bucs needs an offensive minded coach. David Shaw with Stanford would be a better candidate. No retreads please.
October 23rd, 2013 at 7:40 pm
Rob Ryan
October 23rd, 2013 at 7:41 pm
This conversation was boring in 2011/2012; it is still boring now. Come on Schiano, wise up so we can stop talking about who we hope replaces you.
October 23rd, 2013 at 7:42 pm
Bring back Dungy.
If there is a change to be made in our administration, then bring back Dungy, Lovie and draft Clowney or Mathews.
October 23rd, 2013 at 7:44 pm
Lovie Smith went to a Super Bowl, and got fired after a 10-6 season. He went to the Super Bowl with Rex Grossman as his QB!!!! He should get an honorary trophy just for that. Is Chicago setting the world on fire since he left? Last I checked the answer would be no.
As for Shaw, perhaps in a normal situation I would go for him. He does have NFL experience, albeit as a position coach. However, after our last two coaches, I want a sure thing with NFL coaching, or at least coordinating, experience. I’m not even thinking about Super Bowls, I’m thinking being able to be respectable again. No more swinging for the fences, because we keep striking out. Would anyone here like to continue getting top picks in the draft, or would you rather be one and done in the playoffs? I’ll take one and done any day of the week. Obviously that’s not the ultimate goal, but I’m tired of losing like this. I’m tired of dealing with coaches that are so obviously incompetent at their job that it is actually uncomfortable to watch. We haven’t had a coach that can even get the right personnel on the field since Gruden. That was 5 years ago!!! Enough is enough. Give me some experience and stability, I’ll deal with getting to the playoffs and getting knocked out early. That’s a far cry away from where we are now.
October 23rd, 2013 at 7:47 pm
Hell, bring back Rah all I care as long as I don’t have to listen to this piece of sh!t talk any longer. I doesn’t get any worse than 0-6…
October 23rd, 2013 at 7:50 pm
And I love how people say Gruden would never come back, as if they are sleeping with him every night. You don’t know anything. In my opinion it’s very unlikely, but you never know. We don’t know what his relationship is with the team, nor do we know if and when he really wants to coach again. I believe that he wants to coach again, but he’s going to wait for the right situation. He’s got a nice, comfy gig right now, so there’s no rush. I do believe, however, that if he believes we have enough talent to win and the money is right, he would at least consider it. Why not? He wouldn’t have to move, and he would be much more appreciated, since we’ve been subjected to amateur hour for the last 5 years. It’s absolutely worth the effort. Maybe he could even convince his brother to be the OC. One can dream.
October 23rd, 2013 at 7:56 pm
It’s sad not even half way through the season and these are the topics but ok….
1.To be a franchise quarterback means you have to have some kind of deep ball accuracy which he does not
2 he looks good because everything about the offense has changed even sully being in the booth…you think they would have realized last year that it’s better I mean seriously unless your the hc like Sean Payton their up in the booth…interesting timing
3. Schiano is garbage so as long as he’s here with his gang of goons calling plays we’ll never know how good the defense or glennon will be.
4. We’re in the nfl and the idiot coach keeps saying his program…I’m tired of him reverting back to what he did in college to prove his points. Aka delusional/clueless to how bad he sucks
5. The changing the culture crap is just another excuse from Schiano, how is it possible to have to instill more discipline than last year? The culture changed when they brought in veteran playoff tested players like revis.
6. Did I mention Schiano sucks?
October 23rd, 2013 at 7:59 pm
That is an awesome post buc4lyfe!!!!!
October 23rd, 2013 at 8:02 pm
Um, Rah went 0-7 in his 1st year.
And yes, 0-7 is worse than 0-6.
October 23rd, 2013 at 8:09 pm
And furthermore there’s a much longer list of haters for Schiano than Freeman. Josh Freeman, probably every player on the roster that didn’t attend Rutgers, glazers, dominick for putting his job in jeopardy, even the damn replacement refs went on live tv to dog Schiano, front office, ticket office, season ticket holders, players wives this guy just doesn’t get it. Josh Freeman saved Schiano’s butt last year in that second game with two last second touchdowns, vjack and Clark…..speaking of vjack does anyone see glennon throwing enough accurate deep balls to mike Williams almost 1000yards and vjack like 1,200 plus more trips to the probowl? If not we gotta draft a qb, if glennon was getting 50% of the snaps all summer then Freeman should have been gone before game 1
October 23rd, 2013 at 8:11 pm
Um, Rah had perhaps less talent, no? Nothing against Derrick Ward, Michael Clayton, Geno Hayes, Sabby Piscitelli, and Chris Hovan, but I’d venture to say Doug Martin, Vincent Jackson, Lavonte David, Dashon Goldson, and GMC are slightly more talented, wouldn’t you? In fact, you can go just about every single position except probably TE and argue that we are considerably more talented. Vince Lombardi couldn’t have won with that group.
Raheem was a terrible coach with considerably less talent. However, his winning percentage is still higher than Schiano, who has essentially gotten everything he has wanted since he stepped foot in Tampa.
October 23rd, 2013 at 8:22 pm
Rah is 100 times a better HC than Schiano is, his problem was not commanding respect from his players which in part is Dominic fault for not giving Rah the players he requested giving the impression to the players that Rah didn’t have any say on the team.
Rah lost games because the players quit on him, not because he got out coached every game, besides this is not Schiano 1st year and for some odd reason he thinks it’s ok to be 0-6… “Everything will be fine”, “hang in there” my @ss…
October 23rd, 2013 at 8:22 pm
“As for Shaw, perhaps in a normal situation I would go for him. He does have NFL experience, albeit as a position coach. However, after our last two coaches, I want a sure thing with NFL coaching, or at least coordinating, experience.”
Amen Hawaiian
Free4Lyfe
Quit bitching about Freeman and get over it
He sucks
Who cares who has more haters?
He still sucks
October 23rd, 2013 at 8:24 pm
And Lovie would be a good option too.
October 23rd, 2013 at 8:48 pm
Gruden is not coming back. how many times have you seen a coach go back to the same team that either left or was fired from? the only coach I can think of is Josh Mcdaniels and thats it. its just not going to happen.
October 23rd, 2013 at 9:00 pm
@Andrew 1,
There’s a first for everything. Joe Gibbs did it though. Dave Campo and Gunther Cunningham too, but not as a head coach.
October 23rd, 2013 at 9:05 pm
Rah is the worst coach in Bucs franchise history. The absolute worst. I don’t care what the win/loss percentages are, he was the worst.
Schiano’s team hasn’t quit on him.
Raheem used to tell the press that he would regularly spot “loafs” on the field.
If I had one game to win, I don’t want a coach who can’t spell:
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c179/heyitsadam/ScreenShot2013-10-14at74101PM_zps2628eab5.png
October 23rd, 2013 at 9:13 pm
@ Hawaiian
there is a first time for everything, I can agree with that. but for the coaches that we named, thats over a long period of time. so over, say… a 15-20 year period, its only happened a handful of time. thats a low number considering how many different head coaches have come and gone during that same time span. my point was that it very rarely happens.
just though of another one… Art Shell.
October 23rd, 2013 at 9:14 pm
*thought
October 23rd, 2013 at 9:24 pm
given all of that, imho its not going to happen.
October 23rd, 2013 at 9:24 pm
Buc4lyfe,
In his first three games of last season (when he supposedly made VJ and Williams look so much better than Glennon ever could) Freeman had a 51% comp percentage, 491 yds passing and 14 yds rushing, and had 5 TDs and 3 INTs. 47.7 QBR and 72.5 QB rating. He won one of those games, which was the opener in one of the worst games I’ve ever been at (UCF vs UM a couple years ago takes that award).
Glennon in his first three games EVER has lost all 3, yes (without much help around him). However, he has a 58.5% comp percentage, 722 yds passing and 32 yds rushing, with the same 5/3 ratio. 41.9 QBR and 77.1 QB rating.
I’m not saying that Glennon is going to be a hall-of-famer, or even that if we find someone next year who is obviously better that we should pass up the opportunity to acquire them. All I’m pointing out is that a lot of people like to remember only the stretch of 5 or 6 games where Freeman looked like the best QB in the league last year, and they’re not truly giving Glennon his due for what he’s done so far. Let’s just let it play out a bit before we start anointing people as failures and start looking for replacements (something the Bucs have done FAR too many times throughout this franchise’s history).
October 23rd, 2013 at 9:26 pm
Adam L is obviously very young, and doesn’t remember the 80s and early 90s. The Eagles quit on Andy Reid last year, does that make him the worst coach in Eagles history? Hell, the Bucs quit on Jon Gruden too. Sorry, but that was a stupid point.
October 23rd, 2013 at 9:27 pm
@Andrew1,
As I said, I don’t think it will happen either, but I find it funny that people say it isn’t going to happen as if they are laying in bed with Gruden talking about his life plans. None of us know, but I know that it is absolutely worth putting in a phone call to inquire if I’m the Glazers. You’ll never know until you try.
October 23rd, 2013 at 9:31 pm
@Adam L,
If you have to win a game, what in the hell does whether or not the coach can spell have anything to do with your criteria? I think you’re looking at the wrong things my friend.
October 23rd, 2013 at 9:34 pm
@ Hawaiian
heck yea we should put in a phone call. the Glazer’s would have to swallow their pride a little bit, but sure, put in the call.
October 23rd, 2013 at 9:43 pm
Maybe the Glazers have already been working the phones.
October 23rd, 2013 at 10:26 pm
Clowns. All of you!
October 23rd, 2013 at 10:58 pm
buc4lyfe,
Speak for yourself. Freeman cost us this year, last year, and the year before.
Schiano is not cutting it, but half of that problem was Gosh Freeman.
Dom’s seat should ride with Schiano’s at this point.
Glennon doesn’t look like a super star, but he has gotten better with each game. A win on Thursday Night Footall against the Panthers, while stopping the bleeding, would be huge!
Dating back to 2012, we lost our last 5 games (not counting week 17 meaningless win at ATL), and our first 6 in 2013. Of the past 11 games, Freeman has screwed the pooch in 8.
In all honesty, we better draft BPA this year, and I think a lot of people doubt Glennon because Freeman broke their trust.
October 23rd, 2013 at 11:35 pm
@SteveK,
I think most people don’t trust Glennon because of many reason, one of which is possibly Freeman. First of all, he was drafted in the third round for a reason. There aren’t too many Russell Wilson’s out there, and most people know that. He has made several completely bone head decisions in every single game he’s been in (including preseason). While accurate with the short and intermediate throws, he has looked absolutely awful throwing down the field. His lack of mobility and flashiness isn’t going to make too many fans feel he is the next superstar NFL QB. I think most fans can agree he has looked better than Freeman (which so has Brandon Weeden, so that’s not saying much), he hasn’t looked great at all. Until he does, nobody is going to trust him, nor should they.
October 23rd, 2013 at 11:46 pm
@ SteveK
Freeman nard-swingers doubt Glennon because he replaced Freeman. Schiano haters doubt Glennon because he’s “Schiano’s guy”, and they therefore have a huge confirmation bias against Glennon because of their blind hatred for Schiano.
There are still others who will doubt Glennon for no other reason than he wasn’t taken until the third round, and in their mind, there’s no way a good QB would last that long in the draft, even though history proves that theory incorrect.
Us more pragmatic fans simply see Glennon as a promising rookie who already looks better than Freeman, but who will have to show a lot of progress over the season, and have to improve his deep ball accuracy, before being anointed a “quarterback of the future”-type guy.
Whether or not Schiano is still here (which looks increasingly unlikely) come draft time, we will still probably need to draft a QB in April. At least then we can have a legit QB competition next TC/preseason between Glennon and a new kid, and may the best man win.
Unless Glennon ends up looking like a world-beater by season’s end, which might give us the luxury of using our highest draft pick to address other needs.
But Glennon could play lights-out (by rookie standards) and still not save Schiano’s job, because rookie QBs rarely carry a team on their own, and Schiano’s job rests on wins, not just Glennon’s development.
October 23rd, 2013 at 11:58 pm
Let’s not get overly crazy about the Chefs just yet. They are undefeated sure, but it’s a long season and post-season is a completely different level. If 7 regular season wins were all that mattered, Dungy and Gruden would never have lost their jobs or even Sam Wyche.
Owners are stupid though, so it probably has made a lot of owners question struggling coaches.
October 24th, 2013 at 12:00 am
@Hawaiian Buc
The guy was an idiot. I’m sure he was in the locker room trying to talk up his players and he’s trying to get words out of his stupid mouth that don’t make any sense and they were just eye-rolling him.
And I’m NOT “very young.” I moved here in 1980. I lived through the double-digit losing years because the miser Hugh Culverhouse figured out that he can make money with a losing team. He didn’t want to pay Doug Williams. He ruined Bo Jackson’s baseball eligibility by flying him to Tampa (illegal for college players). I remember the Bucs botched a drafted pick, realized they botched it, traded back up into the first round…. for Booker Reece.
I got laughed at in my neighborhood because I rode the Orange Bucco Bruce bicycle from Montgomery Wards (purchased across the street from Tampa Stadium) when all my friends hopped on the Dolphins bandwagon because of Dan Marino. I drove back from COLLEGE for what I thought was going to be the LAST Bucs game in Tampa because we thought the Bucs were moving to Baltimore… and guess what? Despite the nostalgia, they STILL got booed because Trent Dilfer got blown out and Barry Sanders ripped off TWO 80 yard runs.
I’ve FORGOTTEN more about the Bucs than you’ll ever remember so step off.
October 24th, 2013 at 12:03 am
You are probably right there Illuminati. Glennon is getting judged too harshly or too easily depending on which side you are on (Schiano vs. Freeman). I’m kind of an opponent of both, so hopefully that makes me more fair:)
I can’t help but be biased about the third round thing, but he backs it up by looking like a third round pick at times. But just by the eye test, he looks like a good backup QB to me. He seems pretty smart, accurate, and tough, but he doesn’t flash elite skills (at least in my uneducated opinion). I certainly wouldn’t feel great about him coming in and starting our 2014 season with him as the starter (based on what I’ve seen so far).
If we draft a QB early in April, there won’t be any competition. Just get that out of your mind right now. Fair or not, the NFL doesn’t work like that anymore. If you are drafted in the first round or early second, you are going to be starting quickly, especially on a bad team. Dollar dollar bill y’all!!!!!
October 24th, 2013 at 12:11 am
@Adam L,
Exactly how do you know how much Buc knowledge I have? That’s a mighty big assumption, even if what you say is true.
To say Raheem was worse than Ray Perkins, Richard Williamson, and Leeman Bennett is completely false. How many 10 win seasons did those guys have, regardless of the competition?
You can tell all the stories you want, but it’s still a ridiculous statement. Maybe it’s revisionist history, or you’ve just forgotten those coaches, but it’s just not true. Sorry your panties are in a wad, but it is what it is. But I’m going to step off now, because I obviously can’t compete with your Bucs knowledge.
October 24th, 2013 at 12:35 am
@ Hawaiian Buc
I have to disagree. The days of $100 million rookie QB contracts are over. You have to look at it in terms of the total money allocated to the position. We can easily pay a high draft pick’s salary and Glennon’s salary at the same time, regardless of who starts.
I mean, if Green Bay could carry Favre’s and Rodgers’ contracts before the current rookie salary structure was in place, we can easily do that with two QBs now, neither of whom would be making anything close to Favre-money.
October 24th, 2013 at 1:09 am
Seriously, with the current rookie contract scale, money is no issue. And the QB position is critical to a team’s success. We cannot build a “dynasty” team without a “franchise” QB.
Here’s how any Bucs’ GM (Dom or his successor) could become the most cutting-edge, brilliant decision-maker in all of sports:
We end up with a top-five draft position this year (which looks likely). However, none of the current college QBs looks like guaranteed out-of-the-box day-one starters. So, we move down a little. Take the best remaining QB, which will still be one of the top three QBs. Then we package the extra pick we got with a pick we already had, and move back into the first and get the best remaining QB again. That guy would still be one of the top 5-7 QBs in the draft.
So, now we have two of the top QB prospects in the draft, along with Mike Glennon. We have a no-holds-barred QB competition, keep the best one, trade the second-best one off to a QB needy team (and there are always a few of those), and keep the third-best as our backup.
If we don’t end up with a true franchise QB out of that scenario, I don’t know what to think. And, we would pick up another good draft pick in the trade for the second-best guy.
October 24th, 2013 at 2:41 am
@Illuminati,
I apologize, I did a poor job of explaining my point. You are absolutely correct about the contracts. However, that’s not what I meant (I put the stupid dollar bill comment to try to be hip, lol). Nowadays, QB’s are expected to come in and start right away, especially high first round picks. The days of Aaron Rodgers are over. There has been too much success lately for rookie QB’s, it’s a QB friendly league, and teams and fans are just less patient nowadays. Teams aren’t allowed 4 or 5 years to rebuild anymore (too bad the Bucs didn’t get that memo). Teams are going to throw their QB’s in the fire right away. I don’t necessarily think it’s right, but it’s just the way it is.
As for your theory of picking 2 QB’s early, it has its positives and negatives. First negative I can think of is that you can’t always tell right away who is going to be the best QB. I think we all fell in love with Freeman in his first game, right? Second, most teams aren’t usually looking for a QB at that point. They have already gone through training camp and are hoping for the best for what they have. Third, doing that doesn’t address the other needs we would have on the team (that year). The idea is to get better right away when you have a roster like ours (where so many players are in their prime). Finally, that theory eliminates the skill of scouting players. If a GM does his job, he will find the right QB for the team, and doesn’t need to grab 3 just to find one. If he has to do that, then most likely he’s not good enough, and none will work out.
October 24th, 2013 at 8:29 am
Hire Whisenhunt or Zimmer or Shaw (he’s ready, he’s Harbaugh lite) and draft Mariota, Tampa instantly becomes a playoff contender…