“Why Would You Trade For Josh Freeman?”
September 16th, 2013
Former Bucs guard Ian Beckles finds the CBSSports.com rumor of Josh Freeman asking for a trade recently to be completely ludicrous. Credible Jason La Canfora wrote about it extensively Sunday.
Joe agrees. It makes no logical sense. Why would Freeman or his representatives want to paint him as a malcontent? Especially when he’s not one?
Beckles, speaking as co-host on the Ron and Ian show on WDAE-AM 620 this morning, also found the notion of a Freeman trade ludicrous for other reasons.
“Why would you trade for Josh Freeman, who can’t pick up his system?” Beckles wondered aloud about Freeman, who is in a contract year. “Who’s going to give you $8 million to come onto a team and be bad? (You can catch Beckles’ full rant below.)
September 16th, 2013 at 11:58 am
Exactly. Unless you’re doing a sign and trade for him (and who’s doing that), no one is giving up anything of significance for a potential rental. And with how good nexts years QB class is shaping up to be (by my count we could see 6-8 guys go in the first two rounds), Freeman is gonna struggle to find a starters job.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:00 pm
Unless there’s a team out there that believes their system is relatively straightforward and somewhat simple, and they’re badly in need of a QB, it’ll be difficult to get much more than a 2nd-3rd round pick for Freeman at best. He just doesn’t have the intelligence to understand and fully implement a complex offensive scheme. I’ve rooted for him to succeed from day one but I think we’ve arrived at the point where we know who Freeman is and we know his ceiling. Unfortunately it isn’t very high.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:11 pm
Lol @ the haters …. More propaganda ! You guys remind me of really loose women !
Ian is a fat slob
September 16th, 2013 at 12:12 pm
Realizing the truth about a player is not the same thing as hating. Grow up.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
Making up BS is noy being a grown up…get real
September 16th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
Freeman needs to do more. Tebow could do what he did this season.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
Just heard a local station air a clip, just the negative part so it gets responses ….lol. Grow up is hilarious
September 16th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
Ian > Raphael
LMAO!!!
Free deserves a very long free agency period of market correction so he can be humbled for about 2 months, until he finally realizes that he is only worth the veteran minimum.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
Stevek …not a chance . free had some laser throws yesterday
September 16th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
Jason La Canfora is notorious for bad Intel. Lets me play musical chairs, and see what network he lands with after the season…smh
September 16th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
Dumbest person on earth >>> buc fan #238 Your clueless
September 16th, 2013 at 12:22 pm
it truly is about lack of consistency with Freeman. I know most have argued about his lack of consistency in the accuracy department but I agree more so with those that have said he lacks consistency in his decision making. I used to agree to a point before, but last nights game just screamed of it.
case in point, MW flying down the sidelines on a go route. Freeman saw that he was not open but instead of looking for another receiver he tried to force the ball in there.
unless he can get his act together and fast, it doesn’t look good for his long term future in Tampa.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:22 pm
@SteveK
TEBOW-TEBOW (In my Jim E. Mora voice)…hilarious.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
Hey Raphael,
Honest question. Will you be here and a Bucs fan when Freeman is no longer a member of the team?
September 16th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
How does Raphael not get banned? Its clear as day all he does is troll.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:28 pm
Joe,
Are there any other options for trading Freeman at the end of the season or does it have to be before 10/29 or never?
I don’t think the price for another team will be $8 mill because the season will be half over.
There may be a team that would want to trade for him to keep him off the open market…but Freeman would have to negotiate a new contract with them as a part of the deal.
Here is the problem…Schiano doesn’t trust him and I don’t blame him…but he adjusts his gameplan accordingly & it it hurting us. We need to pull the trigger pretty soon to give Glennon a fair chance to develop before next year…if he needs more time we could bring in a veteran FA to buy him some time. If it looks like he may be a bust….there’s always next year’s draft.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:30 pm
“Who’s going to give you $8 million to come onto a team and be bad?”
That is hilarious. Nice one Beckles.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:33 pm
Oil Derrick brooks ….of course I am a buc fan ……I will cheer for Glennon if he plays .
September 16th, 2013 at 12:34 pm
Bucrightoff …. Really ? Check all the post I commented on….
Educated comments…unlike yours ..
September 16th, 2013 at 12:35 pm
Sully is going to have to call the most QB friendly playbook that he can find. a lot of plays are run at or near the line of scrimmage might help. running the ball 60% of the time is a good start, but the running game has got to be more efficient than it was last night for that to work. sure we ripped off some big runs but as soon as we got into bucs territory the running game did not work. idk Sully has got his work cut out for him. all I know is that 7 points on offense is not good enough.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:37 pm
Freeman getting traded isnt smart on his behalf. He would have no time to learn another system. And he probably won’t get an extension so he’d just be wasting his time not sticking it out.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:38 pm
I’ll tell you who would trade for Freeman. A team that would take him and get him out of the pocket, let him roll out on play action fakes and use his legs to get yardage if he sees an open lane like he did on the one run yesterday. He throws better on the move and he is not a pure pocket passer. He stares down his receivers in the pocket. When he is moving he tends to look over the field much better. A team that would play to Freeman’s strengths and not his weaknesses could benefit from that trade. Schiano and Sully only allow Freeman to throw 22 times because they don’t trust him to carry the team. In doing so they become very predictable on offense like running the ball 100% of the time on first down. I don’t care who they get as QB, without more imaginative play calling we are never going to put up a lot of points. You have to keep a defense off balance or they just anticipate the plays.
Would I like to see the Bucs get a mobile, accurate QB? Sure. Know of any that are on the market?? Freeman is our best bet right now. I think he is being set up to fail and in Mike Glennon I see a Freeman clone. Makes all the throws but lacks good decision making at critical times. I’m almost to the point where I would like to see Glennon just so we can put all this nonsense about him being the savior of our season to rest. Glennon is NOT mobile….at all. He has all the potential to be a good QB but I don’t want to see him get thrown in the mix before he is ready and he is NOT ready.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:40 pm
“I will cheer for Glennon when he plays.”
Sure Raphael… sure you will.
Again, Ian Beckles knows more about football than you could ever dream to understand. Even the average Buc fan can see how sorry Josh Freeman is as a NFL QB.
Too bad “Your clueless”… LMAO! It is you’re dips!t.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:42 pm
You’re right Raphael. I point out Josh Freemans last 5 games feature 4 TDs and 15 turnovers (a fact…), you call me a hater (I guess scientists are haters too since love to use facts). I point out his 45% completion this year, you tell me its all because of drops (because of course Josh Freeman is the only QB in the NFL whose receivers drop the ball). As long as I have facts, you have excuses.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:53 pm
Comical someone who usually says nothing more than “LMAO @ the haters” is calling other people trolls. Then say he posts are educated comments.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:54 pm
That’s all you got bucfan238 ???
September 16th, 2013 at 12:59 pm
I’d trade Freeman for a pickle and a free pass to Oz.
September 16th, 2013 at 1:00 pm
Raphael,
I admire your loyalty, but Freeman stinks, dude. I am sorry. It is true.
September 16th, 2013 at 1:00 pm
In all honestly Freeman was not responsible for the loss yesterday.
People know that I’m not a Josh fan- but freeman reminded me of Trent Dilfer yesterday. It was a typical Dungy-ball gAme that came down to the final minute.
The problem with Josh is that the coach doesn’t trust Freeman to get the basics done – its really that simple. What the team needs is a QB they have faith in – a fighter and motivated QB.
Realistically Glennon won’t be that much of an improvement than roer coaster Josh. Why not bring in a proven winner/leader who will get the player to achieve their most?
Tebow is available
September 16th, 2013 at 1:01 pm
The S.S. Freeman is sinking fast. Most onboard have abandoned ship, but the captain (Raphael) is gonna ride it to the bottom of the ocean.
September 16th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
The fact people are suggesting Tebow and my immediate reaction isn’t outright mockery but actual consideration should pretty much sum up how far Freeman has fallen since 2010. Each passing day makes that season look more and more like an anamoly.
September 16th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
Bucrightoff … Glad your not the GM .. All you do is spew your dislike for freeman here and on pft …
Freeman is not responsible for the 2 losses this year … Ask steve white if you don’t believe me .
Besides I can throw a football 40 or 50 yards ..you couldn’t throw one to the end of the driveway …. Hater
September 16th, 2013 at 1:16 pm
Tebow is a born leader. You can’t teach that. You never know, he may not be a good QB but if he can raise the level of the offense as a whole… that may be all we need for playoffs.
September 16th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
Id take that kid from FSU…….
Wheres Gronkowski?
Hedberg?
Goldstein?
Terry Hanratty?
Spurrior?
Paydirt Dickerson?
Hell bring back Garcia and his wife.
September 16th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
You gotta believe Raphael has at least one framed copy of the Josh Freeman “Thriller” pictorial somewhere in his house. Likely on the roof above his bed.
September 16th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
@Bobby
You killed it man. Dead on.
It really doesn’t matter who the quarterback is as long as the coaches refuse to even remotely tailor the game plan around the quarterback. (Or any player really.) Unless you call not giving it to your QB, unless you have to, a game plan literally AROUND the quarterback.
We had a run game all day but how many snaps did Freeman take out of the shotgun formation with zero threat of the run? Come on, that is just stupid. We should have ran play action on just about every pass. Instead we were in shotgun. Would really like to see the numbers on play action versus shotgun formation.
Doesn’t matter though, everybody overlooks the piss poor game day coaching and blames it all on the quarterback.
It won’t matter if/when Glennon comes in. It won’t matter when we draft one next year. Schiano is afraid to give the ball to his quarterback with the game on the line and always will be. (Has nothing to do with Freeman and everything to do with his bad philosophy of playing not-to-lose instead of playing to win.)
I hope he doesn’t get three years to run this team into the ground like Raheem did.
September 16th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
@MrLucky…You had me right up to the word “Tebow”. There is a reason no team wants him. His best bet is to head over to the CFL and see if they can develope him.
I am a recent convert to the Glennon mob, but it is not becasue I think Freeman sucks and cannot win. It is becasue Freeman sucks here, has lost the coach, has lost his team, and does not appear like he can win here. Maybe different coaches with a different scheme will work…like someone above said. A team that plays to his strengths. Whatever, the offense needs something to spark some life into them, let’s see if Glennon is the guy.
September 16th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
I would like to think that people in TAMPA BAY would have more faith for their QB than the phonies they are! MeIAN Beckles has points but doesn’t do enuff homework to back up his mouth. Whats sinking S.S. Freeman is the coaching staff and 1/3 himself! The head coach is not what he thinks he is! If he allows the OC to call HIS game Freeman would be in the top 10 every week. HC is playing to conservative and not playing to win the game. A good coach knows what his players are capable of doing.
September 16th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
So I was just looking over the stats on our Franchise QB since I know how much “real fans” love stats here. Josh is the 30th best QBR in the NFL. The worst guy? The rookie who out performed Freeman in week 1.
Josh’s 45.3% completion percentage is 33rd in the league. 30th in yards per game. He’s pretty much in the bottom 5 of every major stat there is… Except Ints.
Glad we have this guy on our team.
September 16th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
If a trade happened, I would think it would be initiated by the team, not Freeman. There are many reasons why a trade wouldn’t happen, but one very big reason why it could. QBS are coveted and not often available via trade. All it takes is one team that believes he can be their guy going forward. A deal could happen if they want him and don’t want to risk losing him to another team in free agency. The question would be compensation. This is all hypothetical, but not completely out of the question.
September 16th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
Lets give it up on this Tebow nonsense! Enuff now!!!!!
September 16th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
Every major stat there is for QBs is what I meant.
September 16th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
Wait,Couch, are you telling me he is 33rd, so there is a backup that is ranked higher than him?
September 16th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
Yes. Apparently Jacksonville has started 2 QBs this year so far. And both have a higher completion percentage.
September 16th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
Couch…Amazing. How is Glennon gooing to do any worse than that. I know I have argued the other side with you for a while, but I was wrong. It is my crazy Buc fan faith that got in my way, as well as the potential shown on occasion from Freeman. I am not sure Glennon can do any worse than Freeman is right now.
September 16th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
Even if you credit the 4 drops to his completion percentage.. he would be 31st in the league. LoL. He is just plan awful.
September 16th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
A team has to reshape their entire offense for Tebow. I don’t see that happening in Tampa.
September 16th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
Schiano has taken one of the worst defenses in the history of the NFL from last year and turned it into the #13 defense after only 2 games. Yeah, let’s get rid of that bum for the sake of keeping the mentally fragile, unskilled Josh Freeman in the hopes a 3rd head coach can wake this whack job up!
Last year, in the few games JFro actually played OK, everyone was talking how Sullivan was so good. Now, it’s Schiano’s fault, not Sullivan’s, when JFro is back to crapping himself? Funny how you goobers work.
September 16th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
It’s all good. I just like to pester people. I really did hope I was wrong but my eyes were telling me I was right and I’m still not seeing anything yet that tells me I was wrong.
September 16th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
Gabbert played week 1 but got hurt, so Henne played week 2. So yes, Josh isn’t even one of the 32 most accurate QBs in the NFL at present. He’s not even one of the 3 most accurate QBs in the state of Florida.
September 16th, 2013 at 2:04 pm
Since the Bucs are not using Banks anyways can’t they trade him for some teams backup? I’m sure Raheem would love to have Banks in Washington. They do have Kirk Cousins. I even liked their 3rd stringer they used against us in preseason more than Freeman right now.
September 16th, 2013 at 2:05 pm
The ironic part of people wanting Schiano fired (and especially those who want Freeman to stay) is that Freeman is gone even if Schiano gets fired. Whoever the new coach will be will want his own guy at QB, and unless we’re re-hiring Raheem a new coach will draft his own QB.
September 16th, 2013 at 2:07 pm
Even I can throw a laser.
September 16th, 2013 at 2:07 pm
It is a sad day in Tampa Bay…
September 16th, 2013 at 2:11 pm
Secondly…I don’t care what’s coming out in next years draft. I would prefer not to start a rookie next season. There has got be someone out there in the offseason that can just manage the game for this defense. We could have had Palmer for little for basically nothing. Oh well we fans don’t call the shots. I just wish that Dom would have brought in someone else besides a rookie back up and Danny O. He could have traded that 3rd rnd pick for someone. This team is stacked and ready to go. All that’s missing is a decent QB, even someone half decent.
September 16th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
Lastweek I wanted Shiano fired…that was emotion. His defense looks pretty damn good…Oh, and we are using Banks, just not in the number 2 slot. he will be there at some point this year I bet. You have a good point, Freeman is gone even if Shiano goes. I think Freeman is probably ok with that, I have not spoken to him but there is allot of drama. I bet he cannot wait to land somewhere else. I wish him well and am ready to move on. I do not see Freeman leading us to the playoffs this year, so I do not see a reason we cannot give Glennon a shot. he surprise all of us.
September 16th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
Schiano is going nowhere because as of right now I see a 7-9 or 8-8 team this year and will all get pinned on Freeman. The team is stacked with 2 missing ingredients to put on a display of great football and that’s a QB and a reliable TE.. All the while VJax is not getting any younger.
September 16th, 2013 at 2:20 pm
I can remember back in the Dungy days when I felt so bad for the defense that gave everything they had and left it on the field. Only to have the offense lay a crap on them. I felt that way last night walking out of RJS. It was like deja vu.
September 16th, 2013 at 2:21 pm
Were not stacked, except with mediocre players and crappy coaches. Oh and a lousy GM.
best case scenario 4-12, more like 2-14.
Could even be a marinelli-Detroit 0-16. Then we can be the only team to go winless twice. One for the pinky.
September 16th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
I give full credit to Schiano, Sheridan, and Dom for turning around that defense but it is his game day coaching that is killing us. Prevent defenses and incredibly conservative playcalling on offense if we are not down by more than one score. If we would just turn the offense over to Sullivan and stop playing so damn scared we could win a few games.
By the way, when your quarterback only throws it 22 times he is not going to eclipse 200 yards passing. For some perspective, Drew Brees attempted 46 passes. That is exactly three times as many passes as Freeman and keep in mind the Saints had a small lead most of the game.
September 16th, 2013 at 2:31 pm
We had more possessions last night than Josh had completions….
September 16th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
“That is exactly three times as many passes as Freeman”
HUH?
September 16th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
Not being a dick but three times 22 is 66, not 46. I get your point that if Freeman threw more his results would be better, but thats better as a whole. When you look at the numbers on the basis of efficiency, thats where Freeman looks bad.
September 16th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
My bad, that is twice as many pass attempts. Typing so fast I didn’t even think about it. Still twice as many pass attempts with a lead all game is pretty significant.
September 16th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
LOL, *about* twice as many.
September 16th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
WestCoast…2 times as many passes as Freeman.
September 16th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
I’m sorry but looking into my crystal ball here. I don’t see much of a drop off with Glennon in there. It is sad I know. The saddest part about it is Glennon might not get in there until week 10 or so. Since I’m one of the ones that has faith in Schiano, I trust him to make that decision when it becomes time. It might be made sooner than I or others might think. I hope sooner rather than later, because if it happens sooner then I will really have faith in Schiano even more.
September 16th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
^^^ It’s either that or Schiano, Sully and McNulty know the Bucs have nothing in Glennon already.
September 16th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
So let me ask you this Buc1987: Do you think the conservative playcalling at the end (run the ball for three straight downs, prevent defense, etc.) had less of an impact on the outcome of this game than Freeman did? Do you really think if Glennon was in that Schiano would have trusted him to convert a first down at the end there?
Schiano wants a game manager in a time that play makers are needed at quarterback. He WANTS to trust his defense and running game MORE than the quarterback. It has nothing to do with Freeman’s ability (or lack of ability as some of you would put it). If Glennon showed the ability to be a pro bowl talent he would have still ran the ball three times and attempted the field goal. That is just who he is. He plays scared football.
September 16th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
I know I’m posting like crazy right now, but thoughts keep coming to me. If the staff has made up their minds that Freeman is the best option for 2013 then all of us fans have a ticket aboard the Six Flags Express. I myself had these 2 games marked down as wins on the schedule, before the season. I saw a 10-6 or 11-5 team. Now I’m hopeful for an 8-8 or 7-9 team. That will not get the Bucs Bridgewater.
September 16th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
WestCoastBucsFan … I think it was a good call to make. Look at it this way. On 3rd and 6 if the pass goes incomplete the clock stops. A run keeps the ball moving closer to FG range and the clock rolling. The FG should have been made. Schiano was trusting his kicker, his RB and the clock more than Freeman.
September 16th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
Of course we all would have liked Freeman to pick up the 1st down and the game is over, but that’s a roll of the dice when it comes to Josh.
I saw on 4-5 separate occasions throughout the game where WR’s were wide open and Josh never even looked there way. Maybe you saw something on TV that was different but I was there. I was not the only one that noticed this. The fans in my section did as well.
September 16th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
September 16th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
Oops, lol. Closed that blockquote wrong.
September 16th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
Martin was our best weapon last night. Why not put the ball in his hands in the biggest play of the game? Freeman had 2 turn overs AND is turnover prone. Running the ball and kicking the FG and trusting your defense (who was dam near dominant on the night) to stop them from scoring a TD was the right call.
September 16th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
Man I could not get back into the site for like 10 minutes. I thought for a second there that Raphael gave the site a virus.
September 16th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
With 3 minutes left on the clock and faced with 3rd and 6. Yeah I think he would have went with the pass. With it being down to what under 2 minutes or what was it a minute 40 secs to go. He made the same call I would have made. Keep the clock rolling and kick the FG. Then squib kick back to the Saints forcing them to make a return and have more time off the clock.
September 16th, 2013 at 4:05 pm
When Steve Young played his two years with the Bucs he threw for 11 touchdowns and 21 interceptions. In his first year with the Niner’s, under Bill Walsh, he threw 10 touchdowns with zero interceptions.
Nah, coaching has nothing to do with the success of a quarterback.
My logic here isn’t trying to say Freeman would ever be great but he would be a heck of a lot better if he had a coach that knew something about professional football. When John Lynch says Pop Warner teams are better coached than the Bucs, something is very, very, wrong.
September 16th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
A team could want Freeman if they lost their starting QB for the season and they are a cusp of the playoffs type team. He might not be better than even a few starting QBs in the league, but he is probably better than most backups.
September 16th, 2013 at 10:14 pm
Maybe Raheem could pull some strings and we could do a free and a fourth for Kirk cousins.