The Josh Freeman Cunundrum
September 15th, 2013
Joe can understand why Bucs fans are so volatile, both positively and negatively, to Bucs franchise quarterback Josh Freeman.
Because his play brings out the ire in us all.
Maybe not as bad as the Jets game, Freeman struggled today. At the time Mason Foster channeled James Harrison in the Immaculate Interception and scored an 85-yard pick six, along the very same sideline and soil that Harrison did in on one of the greatest plays in Super Bowl history, Freeman had but 81 yards passing.
And this was nearly three minutes into the fourth quarter. That is simply unacceptable.
But then, like magic, Freeman, seemingly when the team needed him the most, just like last week, drove the team into field goal territory to set up what could have been the winning field goal.
Unlike last week at the New Jersey Swamplands, Rian Lindell missed, setting up a too-short field for Drew Brees and, well, we all know the rest of the sad story.
Yes, Joe knows there will be Freemanites who will reach for excuses to defend Freeman. How many teams in playoff contention have to make excuses for their quarterback week after week, season after season?
Right now as we sit nearly midnight on the East Coast, playoff hopes for the Bucs are grim. Joe thinks it is the beginning of the end of the Josh Freeman era. It will end in December, barring a playoff berth.
Joe has heard just about every excuse for Freeman there is. If the Bucs lose, it’s the defense, or his receivers, or his line, or his running backs, or the weather or his coaches or Mars is behind the moon, his supporters will say, and have said for years now.
How about just coming to grips with the fact Freeman just may not be all that? His inconsistency really is Mylanta-inducing.
Sadly, after today’s loss, Freeman’s mark vs. teams with a winning record dropped to a dismal 6-16.
September 15th, 2013 at 11:37 pm
Playoffs? You’re talking about playoffs? Playoffs?
September 15th, 2013 at 11:40 pm
Finally. joe is off the bandwagon. Took ya long enough
Freeman. Is. Soft.
September 15th, 2013 at 11:40 pm
Everyone keeps blaming Schiano for being so conservative, but the fact of the matter is he should have never been put in the position to be so conservative in the end. Why? Because Freeman simply can’t get it done. Shut up Raphael don’t even start with me. Once again the Bucs have a great D, a great RB, 2 great WR’s, and an O-line that did a helluva good job today. What’s the missing link? Well QB of course. Everyone else’s stats looked good, but Freeman’s.
September 15th, 2013 at 11:42 pm
Note to the Mike Glennon Mob. In the 3rd qtr Glennon was warming up on the sidelines.<~~~ No lie he was. As for me I'm starting to warm up to him myself. This game might have been the end for Josh. If not this week, then next week for sure. I think the Bucs can beat the Pats even with Freeman in there. I think they will beat them next week with Freeman in there. I just think he will play like shyte again, the D is going to win the game for the Bucs next week and then the Freeman era will be over. I think Glennon is going to get the nod in week 4 against Zona.
September 15th, 2013 at 11:44 pm
Joe I seriously doubt that Freeman makes it to December.
September 15th, 2013 at 11:44 pm
So Joe: when do we start Glennon?
September 15th, 2013 at 11:44 pm
Most elite QBs are field “Generals”…..Freeman is a “Private”…taking orders from the sidelines…so much that he can’t/won’t adjust when the play calls for it. He is totally lost without the voice coming from his helmet.
Maybe that’s what Schiano likes in Glennon….”he’s very intelligent”….maybe Schiano thinks Glennon can think on his feet during the game.
Josh….you could have prooved us all wrong…you have had more than your fair share of chances…..for me now, December is too late to pull the plug on Freeman…I say after the bye if we are 0-4….the fans would support a change.
Then….next year we can spend the money we were going to spend of Freeman on a TE & a 3rd WR….we’ll also be looking at a pretty high draft pick.
There is something very wrong with an offense that targets it RB once, a TE once & a FB once in an entire game. The playcalling needs to change along with the QB play.
September 15th, 2013 at 11:47 pm
Like I wrote in the last post we could trade coaches with the saints and still lose but if we trade QB’s we dominate the game. Our defense now has a longer TD play then out offense. We haven’t sustained a drive in either game. Freeman has no control and judging by the captain status no authority over the offense.
All that said I really really wanted freeman to work out but it’s not looking good. I’m scared to even look at his completion percentage. And like Joe has said before every QB I’m the league would love to have the weapons freeman has. Imagine Rodgers in this offense, Wow!!!
September 15th, 2013 at 11:48 pm
Then who? Glennon? Right. I’d a veteran becomes available ala Brad Johnson I might change my tune but for nowFreeman is our guy.
September 15th, 2013 at 11:49 pm
As was said Freeman’s delays are caused by the helmet situations when an elite QB would call there own play and audible when necessary.
September 15th, 2013 at 11:49 pm
Start Glennon! He can’t be worst…
September 15th, 2013 at 11:50 pm
We have a good team all around. The only wild card is Freeman. I’ll admit, he has plenty of physical talent. However, there’s something wrong with his head. He is not going to be a Buc in 2014. Problem is, who do we have that is better? Nobody. Stinks to have such a balanced team but the supposed head is struggling so much. Tough game. But nothing a tall glass of beer won’t soothe for now.
September 15th, 2013 at 11:51 pm
Freeman doesn’talenit past the bye. 6 losses, 7 games and can’t crack 50% passing. Jamarcus Russell was better than this
September 15th, 2013 at 11:52 pm
Trade jfro to the dolphins for moore. I doubt they would go for it…
September 15th, 2013 at 11:52 pm
Joe…
You know I love ya brother….but you have done a complete 180 on the #5 issue in less than a month.
That says emotion. I know you are a fan but damn man…..chill.
I am starting to think schiano may be the problem…..the coaching staff seems very unorganized to me
September 15th, 2013 at 11:54 pm
I’m resigning from my position as he VP of the Josh Freeman Fan Club as of tonight. Raphael of course is the President of it. Anyone want my old position? Perhaps tony2cents? Take it man…you can have it.
September 15th, 2013 at 11:56 pm
Perhaps Sam?
September 15th, 2013 at 11:56 pm
When you watch his two mistakes, they were things rookies do. Throwing off the back foot, looking down receivers, holding on to the ball too long. Its his 4th year as starter, this cannot still be happening. Opposing defenses know the book on him and know how to confuse and scare him.
September 15th, 2013 at 11:57 pm
Watch the tape again joe. Freeman didnt fall down on third down or drop balls on third down.
September 15th, 2013 at 11:57 pm
I’m a Freeman supporter, but I can understand the frustration with his play and inconsistency.
However, we don’t have a better option. Fans who think Glennon can step in and do better than Freeman are out of their minds; he’s a project that won’t be ready until at least next season. We need to rally around Freeman and try to salvage the season, starting with a win next week!
September 15th, 2013 at 11:58 pm
I just chugged a few gulp of vinegar. My stomachs still in a knot.
I agree Joe that Free is gone. But I believe it’ll start a chain reaction including Sully and Dom, who most Glennon Mobsters dont like either.
Schiano will gunn for that GM spot…. Whatelse do u expect from a dictatorial control freak with a massive Ego.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:00 am
archive this ’87,
Schiano will be a HC/GM in 2014. Sully & Glennon will be gone. McNulty will be the OC.
…….and we will be Rutgers South. all talk, no results.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:00 am
@Buc1987
Lol damn, we’re both off the bandwagon by week 2. That’s depressing.
Oh well, who knows, maybe by some miracle we’ll find a franchise QB some day.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:01 am
Never thought I would see the day where I was pleading with God above for a Bucs QB who passed for 50%.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:02 am
Hey it’s me. The guy that made a 20- 25 ft banner for the Ravens pre-season game that read. WE BELIEVE IN JOSH!. It took me 2 hours to make it and 20 bucks in cash. I held it up high and proud. I surrender. It’s not the coaching. The D did great, the O-line did great, the RB did great, the WR’s did pretty good, the QB sucked. Everyone else played good once again, but Freeman. No more excuses from anyone. Schiano would have never had to BE conservative in the end if he just had a decent QB throughout the game. That’s a fact Jack.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:05 am
tonytwocents Says:
September 16th, 2013 at 12:00 am
archive this ’87,
“Schiano will be a HC/GM in 2014.”
I have no problem with that whatsoever.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:07 am
This reminds me far too much of Tony Dungy’s early years with Dilfer and a great D.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:09 am
I’ll take it ’87.
But Free only suceeds if Schiano is gone and Sully is the HC. (which is a long shot)
For the record, Freeman pisses me off with his issues, because he has so much upside. And I believe the only person who can bring that out, this season, is Sully. Schiano is cancerous, and his team will give up on him soon enough like they did last year in Dec. (The Falcon game was a fluke. They didnt have any reason to play hard and risk injuries)
Sully for HC.. Its the only option we have if we want to salvage this season, which would set us up for a 4-5 year run.
Schiano couldnt even win the Big East. And he had a plethora of NFL talented players.
Sully for HC. Save This Season! Or Stick with Greg, and welcome to Rutgers South.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:13 am
I’m not a freeman supporter per say. I’m a buc fan. If Glennon plays we are done. I am extremely encouraged by the d and the running game. Jackson had 2 bad drops but made up for it. #5 didn’t do enough to win the game…but I shocked at how joe has turned on him this quickly. Actually he is a k state guy which means I Should hate him but c’mon the guy passed for 4k last year.
For those that hate him….how did he lose this game? The int? The fumble? Same number of turnovers as the other guy. Wasn’t his call to run 3xs and kick field goal?
2 games in a row he has put us in fg position to win.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:14 am
tonytwocents…you’ve been saying that about Schiano for a week now, but what do you really think is going to happen? Sully for HC or do they keep Schiano? I think the latter. Unless your last name is Dominik or Glazer.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:14 am
* Sully & Freeman will be gone.
as far as Schiano as HC/GM, I have a huge problem with that. He would have total control, go after mediocre players he couldnt recruit (Glennon).
September 16th, 2013 at 12:16 am
You guys are really ignorant to what even happened today. Jackson screwed freeman with 3 drops (all on 3rd down) also falling on his face 2 other times!
Freeman didnt line up in the wrong spot like 2 other buccaneers did today. One calling back a bomb TD pass. Without that mental lapse alone freeman would be a hero. The bucs offense is not in sync and that starts with freeman but the entire offense is screwing the pouch.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:16 am
Sam …I think the Bucs D is by far better than the Saints D. Don’t you? What do you call 9-22 125 yrds passing 1 td 1 int and a fumble? Do you really Glennon could do worse than that?
September 16th, 2013 at 12:20 am
2nd week in a row that freeman is driving for a 4th quarter game winning td, only to be cut of by a scared oc/HC who want to try fgs instead of winning the game.
We should be 2-0 if not for the coaches terrible decisions.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:20 am
Trubucfan22…Martin had good game, the O-line had good game, the D had a MONSTEROUS game. Freeman went 9-22 125 yrds passing 1 td 1 int and a fumble.
Once again Schiano would have never had to be conservative in the end if he just had a decent QB throughout the game.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:20 am
I only trust one person (well 2), the Glazer Brothers. Those cats are smart. They know whats going on behind closed doors, they know whats going on inside the maniacle mind of Schiano. They know that theres not much going on in the mind of Free.
So whatever move THEY make, will be the best move. My gut says theyll shock us and promote Sully. Not because of fans reactions, but I predict a growing frustration in the lockeroom. Like with Rah. Like with them at the end of last year. And I think the Glazers will release Schiano for his players.
Theyve invested too much inour playmakers, and Sully can be an interim HC. We can find a true HC in the offseason, retain Sully as OC, and bring in a starting caliber QB to compete with Free.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:21 am
Buc1987. Unles Glennon can throw and catch he wouldn’t have done any better.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:21 am
Glennon was warming up on the sidelines in the 3rd.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:23 am
Jackson had 3 drops on third down that hit him right in the hands. And then 2 other falls on his route. That’s 5 misses freeman should not be blamed for. Also tack on the td pass taken back by a retarded penalty
September 16th, 2013 at 12:23 am
We can find a true HC in the offseason, retain Sully as OC, and bring in a starting caliber QB to compete with Free. = a pipe dream.
Freeman is gone. Glennon won’t do much worse than 9-22 125 yrds passing 1 td 1 int
September 16th, 2013 at 12:25 am
Trubucfan22…let me quote Joe for you. To which I fully agree with.
“Joe has heard just about every excuse for Freeman there is. If the Bucs lose, it’s the defense, or his receivers, or his line, or his running backs, or the weather or his coaches or Mars behind the moon, his supporters will say, and have said for years now.”
September 16th, 2013 at 12:26 am
No body wanna talk about the drive killing penalties that were Freeman’s fault? Or how about all the drops on 3rd down by the 11 million dollar man?
September 16th, 2013 at 12:27 am
Hey it’s me. The guy that made a 20- 25 ft banner for the Ravens pre-season game that read. WE BELIEVE IN JOSH!. It took me 2 hours to make it and 20 bucks in cash. I held it up high and proud. I surrender now. I’m done with him.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:27 am
’87
stats are for FF. the reality is that Freeman played well enough for us to win AGAIN. his stats arent pretty, but as poorly as the stats looked, he was driving us down the field when it mattered, at the end, only to have our soft coach run it.
Free could have rolled out, and tucked it in if nothing was open. Horrible coaching. Plus, when Free threw great passes, you keep letting your QB pass while he’s hot. We didnt do that once. After a sweet pass, we went and ran it on 1st & 10. Now THAT reminds me of Dungy Ball.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:27 am
Exactly 87, you don’t want to address the issues just deflect and put it all on freeman.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:29 am
Trubucfan22 Says:
September 16th, 2013 at 12:26 am
“No body wanna talk about the drive killing penalties that were Freeman’s fault? Or how about all the drops on 3rd down by the 11 million dollar man?”
No not anymore.
“Joe has heard just about every excuse for Freeman there is. If the Bucs lose, it’s the defense, or his receivers, or his line, or his running backs, or the weather or his coaches or Mars behind the moon, his supporters will say, and have said for years now.”
September 16th, 2013 at 12:30 am
Freeman was far from perfect. But he made big plays when he needed to. The rest of the offense and the coaches let him down. Watch the tape and tell me I’m wrong. I record every game and watch it at least twice. Freeman did not lose this game. He did enough to win. The team failed.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:31 am
Yup, the bottom line is we have not been to the playoffs since ’07, when we had Jeff Garcia at QB. By default, Freeman should, and will be gone after this season (maybe earlier), as we will not be going to the playoffs (come on optimists–be realistic for once. Look at our schedule). These two opening games have been hyped up for months and we get two losses. Bye bye Freeman. And hopefully bye bye Schiano. Thanks for playing.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:32 am
Why would you want to put the game in the hands of an idiot QB who already had 2 turn overs that game, with a history of turning the ball over at the worst possible time.. instead of the RB who had a 144 yards and let him win the game?…
hind sight is always 20/20… I swear you people make up every single excuse you can think of to excuse Freeman.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:33 am
Real original 87. I guess I’ll chalk one for me. Since you can’t even rationalize. Or have a decent dialogue.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:33 am
Trubucfan22..
The issues have now officially become excuses. Do you want a free Freeman jersey? Come to the Zona game week 4 and I will give you one. Brand new.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:34 am
“No body wanna talk about the drive killing penalties that were Freeman’s fault? Or how about all the drops on 3rd down by the 11 million dollar man?”
no, they really dont. even J. Lynch mentioned how highly penalyzed teams are a result of poor coaching. and we’d be 2-0 if it wernt for penalties. if it werent for poor coaching.
the dropped passes were momentum killers. but nope. Freeman should have caught those passes himself.
Penalties and play-calling were our biggest culprits. And that falls on Schiano.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:35 am
Idk why people are packing it in already… 2 loses that we should have won, save terrible situational play calling in the 4th.
This is really freaking good. That defense will win us some games. And freeman and his wrs step up and find a groove eventually.
Its Week 2 guys, stop being babies!
September 16th, 2013 at 12:37 am
Couch Fan…who is/was the biggest Freeman supporter on JBF besides Raphael? Me…right? Or perhaps WestCoast. We might have to wait for him to weigh in on this, but I think even he’s hopping off the wagon now too.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:37 am
No 87, the issues are still issues that will plague this team if they aren’t fixed. The facts of the matter is that freeman didnt lose this game on his own.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:38 am
I does not matter who dropped what and what penalties did what. Freeman is gone. Bank on it.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:38 am
Sam Says
“Joe… You know I love ya brother….but you have done a complete 180 on the #5 issue in less than a month.”
There are two Joes. One is usually more negative than the other.
On topic…
Freeman had more yards than the stats show, they were just called back. Each time because of OFFENSIVE LINE penalties.
Truth be told, penalties caused this loss…again. Freeman’s pick would not have happened if the Jackson TD was not negated by an offensive line penalty (btw, does anyone else feel that flag was thrown late?). We would have had 7 more points and won the game.
Once again Freeman did enough to win and the team failed him. Once again, the defense racked up penalties.
And once again the refs cheated us. The Saints got away with nearly everything…including assaulting Penn from behind between plays. The ref claimed he felt Penn faked it…look at the tape. Penn didn’t even know the guy was going the shove him. It was from behind.
Excessive celebration after the mason foster pick six drew an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty, yet Graham taunted the fans in his celebrations.
So don’t lay the blame at the feet of Freeman this time either. The defensr played better, but the penalties gave the saints 9+ first downs.
And the person claiming Glennon was warming up is lying.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:40 am
You don’t have to make excuses the play speaks for its self. There was a penalty that brought back a TD. That is a fact. Without that penalty the bucs win. Plain and simple.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:40 am
Today i joined the MOB. I think the team may have joined it too. Teams usually quit on the coach but it seems they may have quit on Free- hence not being voted Captain
Greg is a defensive minded coach and you can see the D is buying what he is selling. They balled hard today. Haven’t seen a defense like that in years.
BTW just checked out Glennons highlights- boy does he have one heck of an arm.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:40 am
Couch Fan…who is/was the biggest Freeman supporter on JBF besides Raphael? Me…right? Or perhaps WestCoast. We might have to wait for him to weigh in on this, but I think even he’s hopping off the wagon now too.
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It’s a tie between you, WCBF, Walter, and tonynobrains
September 16th, 2013 at 12:42 am
ok, people… Couch fan said we should have went for the TD tonight AND a 2 point conversion to win it. We only needed a FG for them to score a TD to win. or a TD, for them to score a TD & 2pt conv… NO REASON to go for 2 Couch!
You have ZERO Football Intelligence!
September 16th, 2013 at 12:44 am
9-22 125 yrds passing 1 td 1 int and a fumble. Do I have to keep going back to this again? How long should we wait for Freeman to be good? Week 8 or 12? or Possibly get rid of Vincent and keep Freeman next season? Give me a friggin break. I’m going to bed now, if I can sleep. This is Tony Dungy with a great D and a sh!tty QB. 4 yrs is long enough for me. Like I said if you want a free brand new Freeman jersey you can have it. Just let me know another day. Good Night and grease for peace.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:44 am
Couch, maybe Nascar is more your thing. TURN LEFT! WHEWWW! absolute moron.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:44 am
It was a typo you idiot. But I see why you have to try to harp on that seeing as your boy fuk’d it up once again. Start Glennon!! GO BUCS
September 16th, 2013 at 12:45 am
Its a shame that poor play at one position can bring down a very talented team. Freemans play and certainly the drama around him with off the field issues are too tough for any team to succeed with. This was the year we would find out about Josh and in game 2 we already have. I say start Glennon after the bye but its hard for me to believe that Glennon would do much worse than Freeman already has rookie or not. The good news is I have heard a couple of experts say next years draft will have alot of good quarterbacks. It would be nice to pull of a trade for a decent quarterback early in the season but thats a tall task. Maybe next year Buc fans our faith in Free that he would at least manage the game have all gone for naught. Instead his play has been brutal
September 16th, 2013 at 12:46 am
9-22 125 yrds passing 1 td 1 int and a fumble. This is Dilfer and Dungy’s great D all over again. It’s like I’m re-living the nightmare all over again.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:47 am
The saints defense is improved but isn’t all that. We have 2 weapons at WR but Freeman couldn’t execute when the Defense did it’s job and did it excellent today. The only td they had was a misscommunication from the LB to the secondary. Other than that, it was an excellent performance.
Like I said, very good chance Glennon starts week 6/.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:47 am
Glennon WAS warming up in the 3rd on the sidelines.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:48 am
’87, its not about being on the Freeman bandwagon. Its about being on your team’s bandwagon. So when your team loses because of penalties, soft gameplanning, division in the lockerroom, all of that is cause by the man you cant force yourself to be critical of. Schiano.
the same way you were baffled by the MGM mentality, Im baffled by your denial of Schianos inability to straighten his team out and whip them into shape.
dont let your emotional allegiance cloud logical reasoning.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:49 am
This is Dilfer and Dungy’s great D all over again. It’s like I’m re-living the nightmare all over again.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:50 am
Still can’t believe we let Michael Bennett walk. He was in the backfield all night. Can you imagine him, Clayborn, Spence and McCoy?
September 16th, 2013 at 12:51 am
Schiano is Dungy as far as I’m concerned.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:51 am
LMAO @ Logical reasoning
Funny coming from the idiot that is demanding Schiano be replaced with an inexperienced head coach. While supporting a loser QB and saying the other guy is to inexperienced.
Never seen someone talk out of both sides of his mouth before… what a moron.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:52 am
inexperienced offensive coordinator*
September 16th, 2013 at 12:52 am
I want whats best for this team. what gives them the best chance to win in 2013!
Schiano cannot call games! Plain and simple. If you stick with him, then its 2 more years of rebuilding, VJ is mid 30s, Revis, Goldson are pushing 30. Fu(k that!
Thats a losers mentality!! Win now. In 20 fuccin 13!!
September 16th, 2013 at 12:53 am
Couch, you dont know football. be quiet when grown folks are talkin.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:54 am
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. I don’t give a rats a$$ who the QB is. As long as they’re the guy who gives us the best chance to win. I haven’t seen anything special from Glennon, and neither has the entire organization, otherwise, he’d have won the job in camp. We go to a rookie QB during the season, its a pure desperation move and every player will see it that way. It will divide the locker room and the season will be a bust. There needs to be a PR push to put this BS trade talk, vote rigging, bad relationship crap to an end. Just win a damn game and we’re golden.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:54 am
No no, I will never be quiet. Especially when you talk out of your ass like you keep doing. It’s rather humorous. You are like my clown. I just keep poking and you keep spewing stupidity.
C’mon Bozo. Juggle for me.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:56 am
@1987,
I absolutely agree with you.
Freeman’s issues have infected the trust of this team. It appears that the defense feel pressed to do more because they know the offense will falter under the watch of Freeman. Also there is no functional chemistry between Sully and Freeman – it’s like watching poison spreading through the team like cancer.
I watched the game and the interception off of Freeman back foot was vintage and the ball thrown at Ogle tree feet for the quick slant out was just simply atrocious. Unacceptable for a 5th year pro QB.
Bench him or trade him – I don’t care but its poisoning the team. His heart is not into this team and I am tired of his stupid blank look into oblivion.
I am also sick to my stomach when I watch Seattle, San Fran, and other young QBs make solid plays for their teams. I mean these guys look like seasoned vets and they’re only getting better. What I see is passion from these guys and dammit I have emotionally checked out on Freeman and this team until change comes.
I cannot do this Six Flags on Sunday things anymore!
September 16th, 2013 at 12:59 am
Schiano is Dungy as far as I’m concerned. Nothing is going to change my mind about that. Freeman went through a what 6 game stretch last season where he sucked, now it’s carried over into pre-season and into this season. It’s not up for debate anymore. The proof is in the pudding. Glennon could do no worse than 9-22 125 yrds passing 1 td 1 int and a fumble. Hell I could do better and I’m an old man. Oh well I have to get to bed now. Us old people need sleep. Especially after standing out on a hot September day on the corner of MLK and Himes waving a Buc flag for an hour and a 1/2 before the game. G’nite sleep tight. The verdict is in, Freeman is guilty.
September 16th, 2013 at 12:59 am
Couch, “You are like my clown.”
you have a clown? yeahhhhhh. and on that note, we’re done talking you weird motherfu(ker.
September 16th, 2013 at 1:00 am
Let me ask people this question: How much of a difference will you see from Freeman to Glennon? Look at the duds Freeman has shown, not just this season, but dating back to the final stretch of 6 games to close last year?
September 16th, 2013 at 1:01 am
“We go to a rookie QB during the season, its a pure desperation move and every player will see it that way. It will divide the locker room and the season will be a bust.”
bump
September 16th, 2013 at 1:01 am
All I know is, if next year’s starter busts too, it’s game over, the Bucs will be in rebuild mode again. We can’t afford another failure at QB.
September 16th, 2013 at 1:01 am
Dont be like that Bozo. Juggle for us! Your stupidity is our entertainment. Continue…
September 16th, 2013 at 1:02 am
Schiano is Dungy as far as I’m concerned. Nothing is going to change my mind about that. Freeman went through a what 6 game stretch last season where he sucked, now it’s carried over into pre-season and into this season. It’s not up for debate anymore.
September 16th, 2013 at 1:03 am
The proof is in the pudding. Glennon could do no worse than 9-22 125 yrds passing 1 td 1 int and a fumble. Hell I could do better and I’m an old man. Oh well I have to get to bed now. Us old people need sleep. Especially after standing out on a hot September day on the corner of MLK and Himes waving a Buc flag for an hour and a 1/2 before the game. G’nite sleep tight. The verdict is in, Freeman is guilty.
September 16th, 2013 at 1:04 am
Let me ask people this question: How much of a difference will you see from Freeman to Glennon? Look at the duds Freeman has shown, not just this season, but dating back to the final stretch of 6 games to close last year?
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Not much if any at all. Heck we might actually *shudders* win a game. I dont see how people think putting Glennon in is giving up on the season. I think keeping Freeman in would be giving up on the season. He clearly sucks… At least try Glennon to see if he can do better.
September 16th, 2013 at 1:04 am
Im telling you, these players captains will go to Dom and the Glazer Bros, and Schiano will be gone by the end of the season.
They wont have to pay him like Chucky. Theyll only have to pay the difference of his current salary with whatever new salary he makes. And it wont have to be done in a certain amount of time.
So he’s expendable. And He’ll be Gone.
MILITARY MIKE 4 HC!!!
September 16th, 2013 at 1:05 am
Glennon could do no worse than 9-22 125 yrds passing 1 td 1 int and a fumble.
September 16th, 2013 at 1:07 am
Oh well it was a long day and these damn filters are killing me so I’m going to bed now. It’s not up for debate anymore as far as I’m concerned. The verdict is in and Freeman is guilty.
September 16th, 2013 at 1:09 am
Hey joe where are those message boards supposed to be coming summer of 2013? It’s already fall bro.
September 16th, 2013 at 1:10 am
“Schiano is Dungy as far as I’m concerned.”
Not really. Dungys guys would take a bullet for him. And at least Dungy had a plan.
Schiano is a polarizing figure. And Schiano has no plan. Just read the NFL.com article on him. It started out how he was late for practice, it mentioned how his desk was buried and cluttered with paper. “Accountability”, “Trust”, all that, just cliches to make you think hes more than he’s not. We all drank the kool aid, and some of you still are. But Ive detoxed, and with a pure system, I call a spade a spade. He’s a smooth talker, but doesnt deliver. He’s soft.
September 16th, 2013 at 1:12 am
All I ask of the freeman haters;
Watch the tape. See where freeman missed all those passes this week. I think if you watch unbiased you will see why we lost this one. It wasn’t just freeman.
September 16th, 2013 at 1:13 am
’87, I cant believe youre turning into a Fantasy Football Fan now.
Like ShutTheBucUp said, ““We go to a rookie QB during the season, its a pure desperation move and every player will see it that way. It will divide the locker room and the season will be a bust.””
thats the truth.
September 16th, 2013 at 1:16 am
Tru,
Ive tried my best to get these morons to look at the game without bias. But ignorance runs deep with these people.
September 16th, 2013 at 1:28 am
@tonytwocents
If you want people to respect your opinion, you have to respect theirs. And frankly, I can’t blame ’87, or Couch Fan, or Architek, or Chris, or any of Freeman’s doubters for feeling the way they feel. Even I’m doubting Freeman right now, and that’s saying something. Coming into this year, I had complete faith in this offense to step up and produce like they did in the middle of last season, but now that level of play from Freeman looks more and more like a mirage with every passing week. I still think Freeman can be successful, but I don’t think it’ll be in Tampa Bay.
September 16th, 2013 at 1:38 am
youre right Walter. I just get aggravated how fans only focus on one aspect of the game. i could care less about Freeman the person. I want whats best for this team. And I think that for now, in 2013, given our roster, he gives us the best shot.
as far as our losses, there are too many people that point at Freeman. and it baffles me how they dont acknowledge the line play, the penalties, the passive playcalling. so if they want to acknowledge all of our teams faults, then I have no problem with them criticizing Freeman. but being on JBF, there are those who have a sincere hate towards him.
but anyways, youre right. I’ll try to work on respecting others opinions more. and just watch the season unfold in the meantime.
September 16th, 2013 at 1:57 am
I’m telling you right now. It doesn’t matter who is taking snaps at quarterback. We will NEVER play meaningful games in December with Schiano at the helm. He is incredibly soft. Playing scared sh!tless. These last two games are MORE on Schiano then any other player/coach. You can put Freeman right after him for all I care but nobody is more responsible for 0-2 than Schiano.
I can’t believe I waited six months to watch yet another coach that is so obviously in over his head collapse this team in dramatic fashion. I really hope we can bring back Lovie Smith.
September 16th, 2013 at 1:58 am
Facts….VJAX 3 drops, 2 fall downs (pushed down), one 72 yard called back TD, Pass to Martin for 1st down and called back, bomb to Ogletree that SHOULD OF been caught, Mike Williams should of got both feet down on another good throw. Yes Freeman didn’t play his best game again, you win as a team and lose as team. The fan base is unreal, but have to agree the fumble and INT shouldn’t be happening, but it didn’t lose the game. I get so angry watching the games, but only because I want the Bucs to win more than anything. I like and support all the players on this team, I guarantee every Freeman HATER was cheering when he was leading the team down the field in the 4th quarter AGAIN. So no one was cheering or believing when he threw a 20 yard strike to VJAX and then a 18 yard pass. The offense was moving and should of punted or passed on 3rd down, I honestly believe Freeman would of converted on 3rd down and won the game or scrambled for it, the middle of the field was open all day and only one run. We need to support all our players on the team and believe in them, even when there doesn’t seem to much of a reason anymore. I will always be a Freeman fan until he doesn’t wear Pewter anymore, the loss of this game is on sloppy plays, penalties and questionable play calling. So everyone can blame whoever the want, it doesn’t matter because the Bucs lost, I value everyone’s opinion so if your a Freeman HATER or Fan, It’s just good to see the passion from the fans. I think if people take a step back and objectively look at the whole body of work, they will come to this conclusion…….Freeman needs to be better, no question but in both games let the team down the field at the most critical time and put them in a position to win. “He’s 24 years old Freeman is just entering his prime and set most of Tampa’s single-season quarterback marks a year ago (he also holds many of the all-time franchise marks). Through his first four years in the NFL, he has thrown for more yards, more touchdowns and less interceptions than Joe Montana and John Elway, to name a few, and fewer interceptions (18 fewer) than Peyton Manning. And, furthermore, Freeman has done it despite playing with a new coordinator almost every year. And his win-loss record would look decidedly better if not for the 10 fourth-quarter leads Tampa has blown since he arrived.” (AS PER CBS SPORTS). Maybe he will never be a top 5 QB in the NFL and I hate to say that is looking more realistic all the time, but the ceiling is top 5 and basement can still be top 15. Ok, let the Haters jump all over this post, and again I say he didn’t play his best obviously, but the loss isn’t on one person, it’s on the whole team.
Lets rally behind our Defense, eliminate the penalties, eliminate the drops, open the play book up to attack the middle of the field with a TE (instead of just the sides). Lets have the coaching staff and the team bring their “A” game and see how it all plays out, and most importantly have Freeman take care of the ball, find some confidence and play like we all hope he can and if not this will be his last season in Tampa. If all these do come together and I do believe in this team and that it will we have a playoff team, no doubt about it. As bad as the execution has been on the details and unquestionably any fluid or consistency on offense, the BUCS lost 2 games as time ran out, that’s what gives me hope, we can play as bad as they have and be in both games, just imagine when the O is clicking and we execute without penalties. The sky is the limit, BELIEVE FANS, “Get up, look up and never give up”, this is our team and lets have their back, through good and bad games……….As hard as the loss was who didn’t enjoy watching that D fly around? Who didn’t enjoy watching Freeman (like or Hate him) and the O marching down the field to win at the end of the game?? ITS BUCS BALL!!!! always have been and always will be a fan, positive believing can rally a fan base and show the NFL how great it is to be BUCS FANS!!!!
September 16th, 2013 at 2:00 am
@Saskbuco
That was brilliant. Thank you
September 16th, 2013 at 2:03 am
John lynch astutely pointed out that” who’s the presence at TE? Who’s the 3rd(slot) Wr? . I think that’s the problem. ”
Difference in a knowledgeable football expert, and a bunch of clueless, dumbass posters.
September 16th, 2013 at 2:06 am
I am positive that anyone calling for Freeman’s head is only looking at end game stats and nothing more. 22 attempts is an incredibly small number of throws. If you actually watch it without blind hatred for the QB you will realize he wasn’t that bad.
Not that it matters. Freeman will not be back regardless of play. I only hope he takes Schiano with him.
September 16th, 2013 at 2:22 am
@Saskbuco – respect! GO BUCS!
September 16th, 2013 at 2:38 am
This just isn’t working guys. Thank goodness our defense is good enough to keep us in games, but in today’s NFL, defenses are eventually going to get burnt. You can argue back and forth on who is to blame, but fact of the matter is, there is no way we can win with these 2 guys together (Schiano and Freeman). Schiano doesn’t trust Freeman. To be honest, I really can’t blame him. Everytime Freeman goes back to pass, I cringe. I just hope for him to not throw down the middle of the field, especially if he gets good protection, because it’s usually going to be picked.
Schiano has lost us numerous games with his conservative play calling. You have Drew Brees waiting on the sideline, I would do anything to make sure he doesn’t take another snap. That being said, I don’t have any confidence Freeman can complete a pass in that situation. He can’t even hit 50% this year! Anybody here like those odds (besides Raphael and Bobby, who would take Freeman over any NFL QB. Hell, they would probably let Freeman sleep with their wives)?
September 16th, 2013 at 2:43 am
Stop with the BS about drops, “should have caught this”, etc. etc. We aren’t the only team that has drops. Some people are so desperate to support Freeman that they are literally manipulating stats to make his numbers look less crappy. What about the bad throws he makes that Vincent Jackson does catch? Some of you have no idea how many times our WR’s bail Freeman out. Why aren’t those counted as incompletions in your warped minds? Funny thing is, I know none of you supporters really believe a word you are typing. I guess I admire your positivity, but it’s kind of laughable.
September 16th, 2013 at 2:48 am
@WCBF,
I’m not looking at end game stats, I’m looking at the game. He didn’t play awful, but he didn’t play good by any stretch of the imagination. He made 2 HORRENDOUS mistakes that cost us points, and if not for our defense, would have gifted them points. He does it almost every game now. You wonder why he only throws 22 times? Imagine how many mistakes he would make if he dropped back 40 times. You guys get mesmerized by a couple nice throws, 99% of which are throws that the other 31 NFL QB’s can make too. Seriously, what throw in today’s game did he make that was so special. That hail mary to V-Jax got everybody’s panties wet, but it was a horrible throw, but a great play by Jackson.
September 16th, 2013 at 3:07 am
AMEN, SASKBUCO, THAT WAS FREAKIN’ INSPIRING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STAY STRONG BUC FANS !!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 16th, 2013 at 3:10 am
Welcome to the light 1987
As far as people calling for Schiano’s head
He has single handily created an ELITE defense here, let him pick his QB and get give full reigns to a better play calling OC and we’ll be downright scary. IMO
September 16th, 2013 at 4:08 am
Free has had his chance and let us down,.. I think Joe has finally admitted what he has fought for the past few weeks. I suspect that Joe, and all his “Glennon mob” talk was just hopping to see good Josh and wanted to give it a chance to work out that way. Of course that is not what we have gotten. We have seen “Evil Josh” two weeks in a row…. Time for a change of QB!
September 16th, 2013 at 4:33 am
We don’t have a great d, certainly nothing comparable to Dungy era.
September 16th, 2013 at 5:18 am
Talk about a catch 22.
And I dont mean a swing pass to Doug Martin either.
Freeman needs to be benched, but Glennon is not the answer either.
You cant tank the team already to go with a rookie QB…and Or loft the ball ski is not the answer at all.
Yikes.
September 16th, 2013 at 5:20 am
Week 2 people… Week 2… Lets not burn the witch just yet…
September 16th, 2013 at 5:43 am
Eric your blind, we have an ELITE D
and who was comparing it to a “legendary” D?
September 16th, 2013 at 5:44 am
Excuses, excuses, excuses. Thats all this team is one big excuse. Freeman is the problem. Schiano is the problem. Passes dropped are the problem. Playcalling is the problem. Coaching is the problem. Penalties are the problem. General manager is the problem.
Sounds like the whole rotten structure at one buc place is the problem, and has been for a very long time.
September 16th, 2013 at 5:45 am
With some time together this defense could indeed be phenomenal
They owned Brees one of the greatest, for most of the day.
September 16th, 2013 at 5:45 am
Let me try something new and accentuate the positives. First, Lavonte David was the second-best player on the field (Brees being #1). The kid is EVERYWHERE. Lost in the commotion over these losses (including David’s penalty last week) is the fact that he’s playing as good- if not better than Brooks ever did. In fact, I’d argue that he’s a step faster, a much better blitzer and an inkling more tenacious. Brooks, of course, was much better in coverage and is a Hall of Famer, It’s early, but I’m not sure I’ve seen a 2nd year LB cover ground and have an impact on almost every single play like David has done in these first two weeks. Second, welcome to the party Mark Barron. You’ve been invisible forever, but yesterday, playing “in the box” a lot, you were a stud. Lean to turn your head around in coverage and maybe you’ll be able to avoid the obligatory pass interference you seem to draw. Third, Adrian Clayborne is like a younger, meaner, Greg Spires. You set the edge on run defense better than anyone since and you’re nasty. Too bad the DL stunts keep you down. Too bad Bowers stinks and McCoy plays w/terrible leverage 90% of the time. If any one of those things were fixed, you’d have some help and a few more chances to put the hurt on people. Fourth, D. Goldson, you remind me of a sometimes forgotten Bucs great—Hardy Nickerson. All effort, all passion, all force and attitude. Fifth, Doug Martin is the real-deal. The OL was lousy and the QB worse, but you nearly always fall forward.
Now the negatives. First, everything begins and ends with the Schiano-Freeman relationship. Coach, if you can’t/don’t trust him, you can’t/shouldn’t play him. It’s that simple. Play-action (QB run option) on 2nd down or a called QB draw would’ve made 3rd down a hell of a lot more manageable. I know Martin was running hard, but EVERYONE across the planet knew what the 2nd down call was going to be. C’mon. Don’t get me started on that stupid “trick play” on 3rd down—spread the field and run a draw or let your QB read the defense and audible into run-set from the 3 wide formation if that’s what the D gives him. If Freeman can’t do the simple read of “Where are Vaccaro and Jenkins” then what the hell is he doing on the field? Both of you laid down like dogs. You make us fans feel like we’re your kids going through your bad divorce. Just split already. One other thing—JOSH DID YOU READ YOUR STAT-LINE FROM LAST NIGHT’s GAME?!?!?!?! Raheem was right, stats are for losers. Second, let’s blame the GM for the utter lack of talent and production coming out of the TE and 3rd WR positions. Mark, what were you thinking? Dallas Clark, on his bum, tired legs, would’ve been clutch in last night’s game. You took away the QBs security blanket and never replaced it. You and this two-bit offensive scheme do nothing to help out a struggling QB. NOTHING. Third, Sully. Dude, you make Mike Shula look creative. Your route trees are too complicated for our QB to process and take too long to develop. You NEVER dial up anything underneath to get your QB in a rhythm. You and your offense play scared. If you’re going to play Freeman anyway, let it all hang out. Bombs away. Fourth, how about another critical penalty to extend a drive? Nice discipline and preparedness, Coach Schiano. Fifth, I didn’t like the FG call on a wet field with a kicker who never really played in our stadium— to not account for field position if the kick is missed/blocked and to not consider either punting or going for it makes me sick. Yeah it was 4th & 3, but as a coach there a lots of options to consider. If you REALLY wanted to play it safe, handing off to Martin on 4th down would’ve made more sense to me and might’ve been a higher % option. What am I thinking? Coach would’ve NEVER spread the field and run the draw or lead or anything that would’ve taken the Saints out of 8/9 in the box. Okay, back on point, Lindell CHOKED. Man, you have one job to do and that’s making field goals. Bum.
Too much talent done in by too little coaching. Too far-gone a QB to salvage a season.
September 16th, 2013 at 5:55 am
The problem with Freeman seems to be he does just enough to lose. It really is unbelievable.
September 16th, 2013 at 6:19 am
Here is the Feeman story…..He does just enough to keep both teams in the game
September 16th, 2013 at 6:24 am
Elite defenses don’t fold at the end and go 1-7 in last 8 games.
We might be mediocre on defense which looks good compared to the atrocious remainder of the team.
I’d still put our defense in the lousy category. Huge chunks of yardage at the worst times.
September 16th, 2013 at 6:31 am
Genius who is talking about last years defense?
Lol wow just wow
I’m talking about the defense that has been put together this year and is under year 2, they are most definitely a top tier defense.
Don’t go assuming that I am making any correlation whatsoever to last years terror.
September 16th, 2013 at 6:32 am
D shouldve been double teaming Graham…think I pointed that out last thursday. He wasnt even hardly single covered that whole 1st half. But other than that, Im liking our improvement on D.
September 16th, 2013 at 6:36 am
That defense was lights out yesterday! Especially in the new nfl.
The qb played just good enough to win is the lamest thing i have ever heard. Jfro sucks
I want a qb who throws with anticipation and doesn’t stare down his receivers. I dont think jfro understands defenses or how to progress through receivers.
Glennon should start. At least then rookie mistakes would make sense because he is a rookie. And not some want to be 5th year qb. At least glennon in the preseason i saw glennon make progression reads.
Jfro was the only person to stink on that team. People dropped the ball waaa waa (sarcasm). No excuse for how bad jfro was.
September 16th, 2013 at 6:42 am
JOE-ZO THE CLOWN. YOU ARE DISGRACING YOURSELF AND YOUR MATT DOLMAN- ATTORNEY AT LAW WEBSITE. LISTEN YOU DUMB A*S. THIS TEAM IS IN AS BAD AND DIRE A SPOT AS IT HAS EVER BEEN. YOU ARE AN EXCUSE MAKING DOOFUS.
September 16th, 2013 at 6:50 am
Well if you can conclude we are an elite defense based upon two games, one of which was against one of the worst offenses in pro football, and where leads were totally blown at the end, then you are suffering from the same delusion that led to widespread belief that the Bucs are a playoff team.
They aren’t, not even close. And of course I was ridiculed when I pointed out that obvious fact before the season.
Heading toward 2-14 with a nice 0-3 headwind after Sunday. It will remain this way as long as amateur hour is in place at OBP.
September 16th, 2013 at 7:00 am
Lots of good comments. For everyone that’s calling for the coach to be fired, which coach do we hire next? Nothing is a sure thing. Freeman ISN’T talented and DOESN’T have upside. Read the joebucsfan archives before we drafted the kid. The verdict is in, his resume is on file, the kid isn’t smart. He gets by on a big arm and good looks. Oh, and do you think a pro bowl quality QB doesn’t know when his lineman are lined up wrong. The kid can’t manage a game. Doesn’t know where he is have the time, and since he lost his weight (for his lifestyle not football) he’s lost arm strength. Three times Sully dialed up a deep route off play action. First two were overthrown and the last was caught but negated by penalty. The completed reception was grossly under thrown. It looked like a hail mary play.
This defense is amazing. I can’t remember the last time I believed that our defense could win the game for us. Make no mistake, those young defensive players are energized by their coaches. Maybe we have some Dungy-like problems on offense, but we also have a young talented defensive squad that are playing their hearts out for Schiano. Buc ball is back, get ready for field goals FTW.
September 16th, 2013 at 7:03 am
Love the defense. Love alot of things about this team but 1 constant keeps screwing things up…
September 16th, 2013 at 7:09 am
Mike williams not on the line was because jfro stoppoed the presnap motion. The dotson call was ticky tack like the zuttah false start last week.
Jfro still sucks! Start glennon asap!
September 16th, 2013 at 7:21 am
Hey look at the positive – no one showed up late yesterday!
September 16th, 2013 at 7:26 am
letting freeman walk for nothing would be bad business.
September 16th, 2013 at 7:45 am
I’d like Glennon to start… so everyone will finally just shut up and realize you really don’t have it all that bad with Free.
September 16th, 2013 at 7:46 am
Freeman threw 22 times. Brees over double that. And you wonder why Freeman didn’t have more yards? He had 9 completions with two drops by V-Jax and a great pass to Williams that he only got 1 foot in bounds. Then there’s the pass to Vincent for the TD that was called back. I think you guys need to watch the game again.
September 16th, 2013 at 8:12 am
Draft Teddy Bridgewater!!!
September 16th, 2013 at 8:29 am
Of course Freeman isn’t the single, 100% reason they lost. Penalties hurt badly. But if the Bucs had semi-competent QB the first two weeks they’d be 2-0. Instead they had what appears to be a 5th year rookie out there. Freeman is making the same mistkes he did as a rookie. Glennon might be worse, but the only way to know is to put him in. Freeman’s numbers are in Tebow territory (45% completion on the season, longest TD drive is 43 yards)
September 16th, 2013 at 8:33 am
Anyone talking about Free making great throws apparently does not watch the elite QBs play. Free is constantly late with throws (the Mike Williams sideline pass) or throws all around a receiver, instead of putting it in an easily catchable spot (even the TD throw to Ogletree was behind him). Was Brees’ pass to Colston for almost 40 yards put anywhere but the exact perfect spot for Colston to make a play while being draped by Leonard Johnson? Free is far too inaccurate and cannot read defenses well enough to get to his second or third progression, and it kills drives.
September 16th, 2013 at 8:59 am
Another wasted season with no viable veteran QB to relieve the offense misery. Freeman is Testaverde/Dilfer. The only time in recent history the Bucs made the playoffs was with Brad Johnson and Jeff Garcia. QBs that were smart and tough, the opposite of Josh. You can throw in the Shawn King argument but that ’99 team held offenses to under 14 points per game.
A great arm and size cannot overcome a slow decision maker that cannot time the ball to be delivered to receivers at the right moment. Josh is just that .25 second slow on his reads and set up. Can we just find a trading partner for him? Please we aren’t going forward with him in ’14 so lets move on now.
They havn’t won a meaningful game with him in the past 10 games. He can’t exploit the middle of the field, he can’t survey the field. Serious tunnel vision issues.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:04 am
I’d like Glennon to start… so everyone will finally just shut up and realize you really don’t have it all that bad with Free.
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Losing isnt that bad? Moronic statement. You must be one of the ones ok with mediocrity. Even if Glennon sucks to, losing is NOT ok. Some dam people man just have a permenent hard on for Free.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:43 am
I understand the masses being upset with Freeman. I really do; however, this loss was not solely on him. On several occasions, he put the ball in the places needed for a play to be made, just to have his few offensive weapons let him down. V-Jax dropped two passes that a receiver of his caliber should haul in, Martin had another drop and Williams couldn’t drag his toe on a great pass that should have resulted in a first down if a pretty routine catch was made. Along with that, the 73-yard TD was nullified by Demar Dotson not being aligned correctly and on several other occasions, V-Jax slipped on routes when he was targeted. He put the ball in place to have well over 200 yards passing (and a much better completion percentage)–albeit with some mistakes in between–but the playmakers left plays on the field.
September 16th, 2013 at 10:00 am
Freeman is but one player. One player does not make a team. Regardless if people think Freeman can do the job or not, there are many issues that don’t involve him that need to be fixed. Freeman will likely be gone at the end of the season, if not sooner (a trade is not out of the question). The real question that will remain is weather Schiano is the right HC for the job. The roster is talented enough to compete. Winning is what matters.
September 16th, 2013 at 11:24 am
How much would you like to bet that the Bucs would have won these past two games with Tebow at the QB position?
Leadership makes all the difference plus Tebow can tell time
September 16th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
Elite defenses don’t give up 322 passing yards to Brees, and 256 yards to a rookie QB
Just so you know
September 16th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
Yes the defense based on what we have seen this season, one of which was against ONE OF THE GREATEST QB/Coach tandems ever, can be an ELITE defense. Don’t sit there and try and make indirects as to how they are incapable and than immediately follow it by affirming the defense. It makes you look like an idiot who is only arguing simply to argue.
September 16th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
Maybe I should have said their potential is that of the elite, but regardless
I could give two shiits what anyone else here thinks about that, that’s my opinion. I’m not seeking your approval.
And in todays passing league 322 and 256 is low, and really that’s all the passing god Brees could get? Nice