It Takes A While
September 18th, 2013
The alleged angst in the Bucs’ locker room between Bucs commander Greg Schiano and various Bucs players is all the rage among national media types.
Enter BSPN. You know the subject is blowing up if it reaches the lips from the mouths of Mike Greenberg and Mike Golic of”Mike and Mike” fame. The duo queried NFL insider Adam Schefter to find out what exactly is going on at One Buc Palace.
Mike Greenberg: There are increasing signals of friction with players. We know he doesn’t see eye-to-eye with Josh Freeman. What is going on under the surface there with Greg Schiano and just how bad is it?
Adam Schefter: No. 1, you have a guy coming into a situation where the reason they made a coaching change in Tampa was because it was very loose before. So they wanted a very stricter, more disciplined approached. And they hired a guy who had brought that to Tampa. It takes a while to adjust to that. It takes a while to implement that. Bill Belichick did something similar in New England. Tom Coughlin did something very similar in New York. You heard various points early in their coaching careers how unpopular they were at those times and what happens is, they won and those criticisms and questions went away. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers this year are 10 seconds away — 10 seconds! — from being 2-0. And they are not. They are 0-2. OK? And because they are 0-2, and because they lost those games in 10 seconds, everybody now is out to get Greg Schiano. That’s what is going on because that type of approach needs winning to make it more palatable.
Bingo! If the Bucs had been 2-0, if Lavonte David hadn’t pulled a stupid stunt on Jets quarterback Geno Hayes Smith, if the Bucs had made a field goal late against the Saints, nobody would be talking about Schiano and his relationship with players.
Winning cures all ills. Sadly, with the 0-2 start, this is not likely to die down soon as the playoffs now appear to be a pipe dream.
And Joe is sick about it.
September 18th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
“Bingo! If the Bucs had been 2-0, if Lavonte David hadn’t pulled a stupid stunt on Jets quarterback Gene Hayes”
Sorry Joe, gotta quote this for LOLs. Not Geno Hayes, not Geno Smith, Gene Hayes. I’m totally guessing but you somehow were also thinking of Gene Deckerhoff as well, hence Gene Hayes.
September 18th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
Come on Buc fans sing a little Marley 3 little birds with me.
Don’t worry about a thing,
‘Cause every little thing gonna be all right.
Singin’: “Don’t worry about a thing,
‘Cause every little thing gonna be all right!”
September 18th, 2013 at 1:57 pm
Sorry Joe, gotta quote this for LOLs. Not Geno Hayes, not Geno Smith, Gene Hayes. I’m totally guessing but you somehow were also thinking of Gene Deckerhoff as well, hence Gene Hayes.
LOL. Joe knew it was a matter of time before he pulled that stunt. Thanks for catching! 🙂
September 18th, 2013 at 1:57 pm
So…once again we have much ado about nothing. There really isn’t a rift….the Bucs Defense played inspired football….if it was self-inspired….Schiano gets credit….If Sheridan inspired it….Schiano gets credit…If noone inspired it….Schiano gets credit…..and if Schiano inspired it…he is certainly worthy of credit.
Again, I will say…there is abolutely no way we played that tenaciously if the don’t like/respect the head coach.
The media simply loves and needs a controversy even if one doesn’t exist.
And for you Buc Fans that want Schiano’s head on a platter….be careful what you wish for!!!
September 18th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
“Bingo! If the Bucs had been 2-0, if Lavonte David hadn’t pulled a stupid stunt on Jets quarterback Gene Hayes, if the Bucs had made a field goal late against the Saints, nobody would be talking about Schiano and his relationship with players.”
Jimminy Christmas if I did not just say the exact same thing on the thread below this one. Are you stealing my words Joe? Just kidding.
Come on Buc fans sing a little Marley 3 little birds with me.
Don’t worry about a thing,
‘Cause every little thing gonna be all right.
Singin’: “Don’t worry about a thing,
‘Cause every little thing gonna be all right!”
September 18th, 2013 at 2:04 pm
Well not quite the thread below this one, but the next one from that one. I said it in 1 sentence though a half hour ago…
Buc1987 Says:
September 18th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
One has to wonder, if the Bucs were 2-0 would there be all these “rumors”?
September 18th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Exactly right. About time somebody applied some common sense. Anybody who can’t see how much better this team is since Schiano took over is absolutely blind. They are prepared each week and other than the game at New Orleans last year, they were in every game into the fourth quarter. Every team that is losing has unhappy players. Even winning teams do, because the rosters are filled with players who think they should be starting.
As I said before the season started, it’s going to take some time for this team to jell, but I believe they will. All the so-called experts who said the defensive ,line would be awful and “they didn’t know where any sacks would come from,” has anyone come forward and said, “oh I was so wrong”–other than Joe–“and the job the defense is doing is really impressive.” Nope. This is a town that loves to hate its team and its owner. With five new defensive starters, why would you think they would jell immediately. With Lorig out and injuries to the starting tight end and to Nicks, why would think the offense would just pick up where it left off before the losing streak last year. It’s not Schiano’s fault that the kicker missed a kick he would likely make 75% of the time, or that their best defensive player goofed on the critical last play of the game. Like Joe, I never expected the Buccaneers would make the playoffs this year, but I did expect improvement over the course of the year. if that doesn’t happen, I’ll re-evaluate. But I have no reason to believe that the team is not playing hard or is unprepared as far as a game plan. I know what an unprepared team looks like, because we saw it the last 12 games of 2011. We were in position to win both of the first two games. That’s simply a fact–and by the way when is the last time we or any other team held the New Orleans Saints to one touchdown?
September 18th, 2013 at 2:11 pm
This is finally an accurate article out of the media. It’s true. If we are 2-0 then Schiano is the best thing since sliced bread. Clearly, 2 times now we failed to secure the win but we played great defense and it starts there. Changing the culture in TB with Schiano is going to take time. Belichick is the best example. He was a hated man in Cleveland. Well, as it turns out the disciplined mentality works very well in the NFL but you have to weed out the lazies and it takes time for full buy in. I was disappointed with our 3rd down and 6 call and I still am having nightmares over it but besides that Schiano has done a very good job. If the ownership were to jump ship on Schiano over some BS media stories like some of the fans then we have bigger problems than just coach and QB. With that last position named, I end it with we need a QB. I’m not in the Glennon mob and I’m even further from a Freemanite.
September 18th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
This is the best explanation of what is happening.
September 18th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
was just listening to espn a little bit and now they are even saying that this whole thing “may have been blown out of proportion.” for what its Mark Schlereth also doesnt think Schiano has lost the locker room purely because of how hard we played vs the saints. I have said that before and also agree with that notion.
September 18th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
John Madden once said, “Winning is the best deodorant.”
September 18th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
@ Mark – The Bucs need a good bath before the application of deodorant because they are starting to smell!
September 18th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
I swear to God. If the Bucs beat NE this Sunday. I’m rolling into the parking lot at RJ with Marley’s 3 little birds blaring from my car’s speakers. I might just hit the replay button on the stereo the entire time I’m tailgating.
Don’t worry about a thing,
‘Cause every little thing gonna be all right.
Singin’: “Don’t worry about a thing,
‘Cause every little thing gonna be all right!”
September 18th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
“The Tampa Bay Buccaneers this year are 10 seconds away — 10 seconds! — from being 2-0.”
DCBUCSFAN…what smells about that?
September 18th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
“Kill whitey!”
Said all of the Raheem Morris’ fanbase.
September 18th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
Greenberg: “We know he doesn’t see eye-to-eye with Josh Freeman.”
Really, you know that? Because you read it on the internet? This rumor has now been floating for 6-7 months and NEVER once substantiated in ANY way. So yeah, you know it, douchebag. Talk about a BS echo chamber.
September 18th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
It’s part of the fan base and the Tampa Bay media that needs to take a good bath.
September 18th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
People don’t listen to talk radio when the hosts are praising the team. That’s just a fact.
If all or any of these rumors are coming from the locker room, you can be sure the source will be exterminated.
Schiano has a five year contract. You saw what happened when the ownership had to pay Gruden for three years plus a new coach. Is that what you want? And what GM has done a better job of assembling talent over the past two years than Mark?
September 18th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
Coach is perplexed and somewhat frustrated by Free, but knows he is the best short term solution.
September 18th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
Wait a second , I thought was Josh Freeman’s Fault !!!
Lololol !
September 18th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
Come on Joe! It’s only 14 games left! U need some optimism!!!!!
September 18th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
Usually winning cures all….but even if we were 2-0 right now, I don’t think everything would be ok. We should have dominated the Jets week one, and in week two our defense was great, running game was great, protection was great….and Freeman was still absolutely horrible. Win, lose, or draw…..Freeman stinks and this ship won’t get right until he is gone.
Schiano is looking like he probably needs to go as well, but it’s too early to say for sure. He gets the rest of this season….but being 2-0 instead of 0-2 really would not change much.
September 18th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
11-5 and I can’t wait for the ” collosal mistake ” to prove the haters wrong …
It’s a team game ….
September 18th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
Its a team game, but only the defense is to blame for us being 0-2, correct Raphael? I mean twice Freeman did have us in position to win, right?
September 18th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
Hey….Buc 1987
U feelin’ da hope?……See, this is how a true Buc fan is & feels a couple few days before the next game…hopeful…and I certainly hope our team has gotten over the last two games and is ready to play.
Unlike fans…who can afford to dwell on the past and whine about damn near everything…..even our defensive effort because of the last series…..whine away!!!
Buc 1987, Andrew 1, Bobby & a bunch of others are ready for some football!!! We haven’t prodounced us dead yet!!!
September 18th, 2013 at 3:17 pm
How long does it take, dammit?
I’m sitting here like patience on a monument since 2007.
September 18th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
Oh yea…….I forgot about your 1st Amendment right to bitch, moan, whine & complain. Excercise your right, while the rest of us & Joe excercise our right….elbow!
September 18th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
“Joe sees the New Schiano Order making incremental improvement this season, a step up to 8-8, with Schiano and rockstar general manager Mark Dominik returning in 2014.”
This was taken from the article Joe wrote before the season. Yet Joe expected a playoff team??? In that article he also states how stacked the NFC is this season. Yet Joe expected a playoff team with an 8-8 record??
https://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=94525 <~~the article
"Sadly, with the 0-2 start, this is not likely to die down soon as the playoffs now appear to be a pipe dream."
"And Joe is sick about it."
Sick about what Joe?
September 18th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
Do I sense a little bit of optimism in these comments? 😀
September 18th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
Winning will be the only thing to quiet the media. It will also fix any rift between the coach and players. Although, I don’t see a rift as the media suggests. Aside from the barrage of penalties, the team is playing hard. I’ll start to worry if Schiano loses control of the team and they start to mail it in. Again, winning is the cure all.
September 18th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
“You gotta check yourself, before you wreck yourself.” If anything I should be sick about it all Joe. I predicted 10-6 or 11-5 and a division crown before the season. Joe on the other hand predicted 8-8 and he’s sick about the 0-2 start. Back to the song Joe. 3 little birds- Marley. Calm down because :
Don’t worry about a thing,
‘Cause every little thing gonna be all right.
Singin’: “Don’t worry about a thing,
‘Cause every little thing gonna be all right!”
September 18th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
The only question about Sunday is the offense. Can they finally deliver a strong performance? If they do the Bucs should win the game. If its more of the first two weeks break out the brown bags.
September 18th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
Bucright….nope the defense lost the game to the jets.and coachnschiano lost the game to the Saints
September 18th, 2013 at 5:06 pm
BD went on his usual anti-Schiano rant in his monologue this afternoon. He then tried to enlist 55 to join in. Brooks didn’t support him and convincingly refuted every aspect of the rant.
Let’s see if he can get Joe to drink the koolaid.
September 18th, 2013 at 5:13 pm
Yep Joe is gulping it down.
September 18th, 2013 at 6:03 pm
A 1-7 free fall is nothing to worry about.
Hilarious stuff.
September 18th, 2013 at 7:11 pm
I thought we were 0-2 ? Did I rip van winkle ?
September 19th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
I keep hearing that the Bucs fans are calling for Shiano’s head? Anyone who thinks Shiano should be fired is an idiot! Our defense has not looked like this sense we won the Supper Bowl! They are playing lights out aggressive which is my kind of football. Yes he made some questionable play calls but if those plays worked we wouldnt even be saying that. The only thing I do believe is it is time for Shiano to take the shackles off Freeman and let him sink or swim (like King said). Go Bucs! I praise Shiano for the work he has done in order to fix Raheems mess!