“I Think He’ll Be Accurate”
September 26th, 2013
Mike Glennon played a ton in the 2013 preseason. Here is his August stats line: 33-for-70 for 397 yards with three interceptions and three touchdowns. Glennon ran for -7 yards and had a 61.4 quarterback rating.
Joe had the benefit of watching nearly every second of Bucs spring practices and training camp, and Joe can say Glennon clearly showed a strong arm and the ability to make all the throws. However, Glennon tossed plenty of picks in practice and Joe doesn’t recall any observers whispering that Glennon looked like he was ready to be a good starting quarterback.
But Glennon is smart, learning and has been working his ass off, per Greg Schiano. And Schiano, without being asked yesterday, offered an interesting scouting report on what the Glennon era will bring immediately.
“I think he’ll be accurate,” Schiano said of Glennon.
Glennon now will be throwing to stud receivers in Vincent Jackson and Mike Williams. And Michael Clayton Kevin Ogletree played with the second teamers in preseason and caught a lot of balls from Glennon, so at least there’s familiarity there.
Joe wants to see this accuracy Schiano speaks of.
The Bucs are going to run the ball relentlessly and surely will put Glennon in favorable situations. The guy’s got to throw for at least 55 percent. Joe just can’t put the minimum standards lower than that. If Glennon threw for 55 percent, then that would give Glennon the second-worst completion rate for a starter, based on current stats, just ahead of Jets rookie Geno Smith.
September 26th, 2013 at 9:47 am
Thats all we ask is accurate. Because well…
ter King@SI_PeterKing25 Sep
Freeman Benching No Surprise Dept.: Completion rates since start of 2012: Brandon Weeden .570, Blaine Gabbert, .569, Josh Freeman .535.
September 26th, 2013 at 9:48 am
Really??? 55%???
If he is so accurate, why not 60%?
Why bench Freeman if we’re gonna set the bar so low?
Schiano is a dead man walking. Well, at least an unemployed man walking.
September 26th, 2013 at 9:51 am
Lets give the guy a chance. Freeman had lots of chances, and didn’t deliver. Schiano inherited him and didn’t like him, but still gave him the opportunity to be his guy. If Glennon blows it, we’ll be right back at square one, with a new coach, 1st round quarterback, and probably a new GM.
September 26th, 2013 at 9:54 am
I have no doubt that Mike Glennon will probably miss a few passes on Sunday, just like I have no doubt that he will look a little lost out there from time to time. But this move is about trying to create a spark. We have lost 8 of the last 9 games, Freeman has thrown more picks than TD’s, and completing only 45% of passes is not going to get it done! The Bucs need a real leader at the QB position and as much as I like the physical skills Josh brought to the game, his attitude, his instincts and his inconsistency have become a huge liability! Time will tell if Glennon is the answer or if the Bucs will be drafting another QB in April, but if Glennon is as smart as everyone claims, he should be able show that he belongs on the NFL stage!
September 26th, 2013 at 9:59 am
““I think he’ll be accurate,” Schiano said of Glennon.”
again, Schi’s words mean nothing to me. what do we expect him to say??
I get that he’s smart and has probably gotten a good deal of the playbook down, but regardless of VJ or MW19, he still hasnt played at full game speed against #1s. And not being mobile, he’s gonna have to be extra quick with his reads and progressions.
Hate to sound pessimistic, but I see a lot of sacks on Sunday. Im still rooting for him though.
September 26th, 2013 at 9:59 am
No QB is going to throw for a high percentage in this offensive system
September 26th, 2013 at 10:00 am
Loved the Michael Clayton strike through comment. Too funny!
It will be simply magical if Ogletree and Glennon can connect Sunday. I’d love to see Page get some targets from the slot too. The Bucs must simply exploit the middle of the field for this offense to get going.
September 26th, 2013 at 10:01 am
For a guy who rails against the stat geeks that is a strange barometer for which to judge a guy Joe.
Just win. I dont need world beating stats, I just want wins.
September 26th, 2013 at 10:01 am
Glennon looked awful against 2nd and 3rd stringers playing vanilla defenses. The season is lost, I hope Schiano, Dumbinik are fired at the end of the season. Especially if the Bucs want my season ticket money.
September 26th, 2013 at 10:04 am
Geez, Joe, really? Your are going to hold a rookie’s first game up to scrutiny if he throws for say 50%? 15 of 30 for 200 is not a disaster for a rookie’s first game.
At this point in time, all I want is a QB that doesn’t make me cringe every time he drops back to pass.
September 26th, 2013 at 10:05 am
That was a passive aggressive dart at Freeman, but whatever, he deserves it. As for Glennon being accurate, I’ll believe it when I see it. Nothing I’ve seen from him says NFL starter to me – yet. That doesn’t mean he can’t get there, but I just don’t understand how a “we’re tired of rebuilding” team backs itself into a corner and starts a 3rd round rookie from a weak draft class at the most important position in football.
September 26th, 2013 at 10:05 am
Mr Patrick, the vertical game dictates a lower completion percentage, but it should improve somewhat. We kept missing wide open receivers and were forcing the ball into coverage.
September 26th, 2013 at 10:06 am
Looking forward to seeing what he can do. I wouldn’t be surprised if he hit over 60% but had a pick or two. I worry about fumbles with him too.
September 26th, 2013 at 10:07 am
It’s much simpler than that. Avoid mistakes and make progressions and we will be a contender. It was true of the beginning of the season and while we are in a pretty deep hole, it’s still true. Josh Freeman was unable to avoid the mistakes and make progressions. After 4 years, it was time to call a spade a spade with Freeman. While we are judging Glennon’s stats and putting in the caveat that he was playing against 2nd teamers, let us also realize that he was throwing to 2nd teamers and guys who aren’t even on the roster anymore. He looked poised and made smart decisions. If that continues, he has a good chance against an underwhelming Arizona team.
September 26th, 2013 at 10:11 am
It’s time for the O Line to be a dominant, road grading, power blocking mauling front line. Sully needs to mix in plays to help the new kid too.
September 26th, 2013 at 10:13 am
“No QB is going to throw for a high percentage in this offensive system”
With a few outlet recievers/TEs, the QBs chances are much better. Josh didnt have that this year.
September 26th, 2013 at 10:13 am
“But Glennon is smart, learning and has been working his ass off, per Greg Schiano. And Schiano, without being asked yesterday, offered an interesting scouting report on what the Glennon era will bring immediately.
“I think he’ll be accurate,” Schiano said of Glennon.”
Learning and working hard doesn’t matter at this level if you have awful mechanics and stare down receivers.
“I think he’ll be accurate”
Uh… he should have added “I didn’t watch him much in the preseason, though”.
September 26th, 2013 at 10:13 am
So now we’re going to run the ball to put our QB in good situations? Pretty sure we were trying and failing to do that for Freeman. What makes anyone think we can have any more success setting up better down and distances for a rookie when even more emphasis will be put into shutting down Martin?
September 26th, 2013 at 10:15 am
Of course we’ll run the ball. You don’t think the Cardinals know this. The Cards have a lot of injuries, but they still have the 7th best run defense in the league. And they have Bruce Arians, a way better coach than Schiano. If we win this game, Glennon is going to have to throw the ball with Peterson and Honey Badger lurking in the secondary. This could be a nail-biter.
September 26th, 2013 at 10:18 am
I expect him to take a lot of sacks, more due to holding the ball and good coverage on his #1 option V-Jax, coverage rolled to to better protect against Mike Williams, no help from Ogletree, he’ll continue to make Clayton look like a HoFer, no TE production, and limited success in the running game that will be playing against 8 to 9 men in the box on a large amount of snaps. I expect Glennon to force a few throws resulting in interceptions, and the only positives will be our stout defense again. I don’t know if we’ll win, we might, but we could also lose this game in a close defensive contest against another solid D. I don’t see us getting whooped though, unless the players quit.
I also expect everybody to not care that Glennon sucked. I’ll continue to wait til the draft.
September 26th, 2013 at 10:18 am
Is Crabtree playing??
At least Glennon will move the ball down the field and this offense can be somewhat exciting. I suspect he’ll throw some interceptions but what’s the difference if Freeman’s led offense just punts every time, gets stopped on 4th down, and scores 3 points? Can’t do much worse than Freeman did, I’m just hoping the defense could score points because the offense wasn’t even close with Freeman. Last in the league in most categories, why not try someone else.
By no means do I expect great things from Glennon, but then with Freeman I was shocked just to complete a pass and get a first down (which is sad as a fan), fire away Glennon, let’s make something happen.
September 26th, 2013 at 10:23 am
Go Glennon!
Make the most of your opportunity, and have some fun!
I can see Glennon developing into our guy.
Freeman had 5 years to assert himself, surely we can back Glennon up for the next 13 games.
I am really intruiged to see the offense respond to the change. I bet our drops go down, intensity goes up, and we score more than 21 points this Sunday.
Freeman’s play was a factor in the benching, but the lack of leadership and fire in the belly is what ultimately catapulted this decision into reality.
Hopefully we can trade Freeman to Jacksonville, back to Rah.
September 26th, 2013 at 10:25 am
One bright spot in all of this is I will be able to watch good teams on TV when the Bucs play at home.. Thank God for Blackouts!!!!
September 26th, 2013 at 10:29 am
Accuracy is the one thing Freeman didn’t have at times. Coach’s and scouts often say accuracy is something that can’t be taught. If Glennon’s strong suit is accuracy, then that should be the silver lining in the QB change. However, it’s Glennon’s decision making that could be the key. I hope he’s not afraid to let loose with downfield passes as opposed to being captain checkdown. That will give me visions of the Gruden offense.
September 26th, 2013 at 10:30 am
Walter Football has already updated their 2014 draft and moved the Bucs to #2 and taking Tajh Boyd.
http://walterfootball.com/draft2014.php
September 26th, 2013 at 10:36 am
One thing Glennon will do that Josh won’t do is hit the first open receiver he sees. I did see that during pre-season. A lot of people knocked him because he hit the check down receiver too often but all the good QB’s will take 6-7 yds if it’s there. Brady ate us alive with that. You don’t always have to go 25 yds up field to a tightly covered receiver.
The one throw Glennon made during pre-season that showed me this kid has vision under pressure is when he hit Crabtree on a blitz where he was gonna get crushed and he stood tall and at the last second hit a wide open Crabtree who showed all the speed of a tortoise and got ran down after 10 yds. We were near our own goal line on that play and Glennon showed great poise. Did not look like a rookie at all on that play.
If the O-line plays well and protects him I think he could surprise people. I guess we’ll find out Sunday.
September 26th, 2013 at 10:37 am
I look forward to seeing Glennon Winnin!! GO BUCS!!
September 26th, 2013 at 10:39 am
NE set the blueprint for shutting down our offense. Shut down VJ, and we’ve got no targets left.
September 26th, 2013 at 10:39 am
Actually that lousy Gruden offense is the one Freeman thrived under in 2010.
Its this Ray Perkins type Ofense that he has not done well with. He also hasnt responded well to the Schiano regime.
I believe one of the reasons for bringing Schiano in was because he was a college coach he would be good at working with young players like Freeman. Nope. Just among the many plans over there at OBP that have placed the team in this rediculous position – similar to they would all love Rah and play well.
Its a debacle.
September 26th, 2013 at 10:46 am
People say the strangest stuff on here that makes no sense. So the season is over because in your opinions, “Glennon looked awful” in pre-season…. Well Freeman has looked awful his entire career but yet thats the fool you all think we have a chance with Despite starting 0-3 and him being the worst QB in the league during that time. Freemanites for the win!!
Lol
September 26th, 2013 at 10:46 am
I always felt like, especially after watching JF play for years, that Rah GAVE JF the nickname of “franchise QB” rather than him earning it and now it has taken this much time to acknowledge he is a bust…
What a shame!
Turn the page and now it is finally someone else’s shot to HOPEFULLY earn the right to be called the Bucs “Franchise QB”…. Will it be MG, to soon to know for sure but it sure would be great if he does so we can stop going through this every couple of years!
September 26th, 2013 at 10:55 am
I’m not going to expect any specific statistical milestones from Glennon on Sunday. I mean, Russell Wilson, Andrew Luck, and Joe Flacco all completed less than 55 percent in their first starts, and no one tried to run them out of town. Hell, Luck didn’t even make 55 percent for his first season, and Flacco finished dead on 60 percent his first season.
I just want to see him take command of the offense, take what the defense gives him, find open receivers, and give the offense a spark. I have no doubt he’ll look like a rookie and make rookie mistakes.
September 26th, 2013 at 11:01 am
Tim Tebow me up at this point. Why not? Run the ball 50 times and pass 5. Glennon’s going to be accurate? If we’re going on faith, then let’s get Jesus involved.
September 26th, 2013 at 11:02 am
I’m just happy that the Tampa Bay black cloud has passed on from this organization.
No more Raheem apologies/excuses, no more ‘other’ past malcontents and best of all, no more Freeman apologies/excuses.
It’s a bright sunny day in Tampa Bay today.
The fans just got THEIR team back today. The dark days of the Raheem era are now over.
September 26th, 2013 at 11:05 am
Watching tape of Glennon his senior year I did not see him scramble for yardage. ANyone know if he can run / scramble ala Kapernick-Vick-Tebow-RG3?
September 26th, 2013 at 11:11 am
WinterSpringsBucsFan Says:
September 26th, 2013 at 11:05 am
Watching tape of Glennon his senior year I did not see him scramble for yardage. ANyone know if he can run / scramble ala Kapernick-Vick-Tebow-RG3?
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yeah, I saw a youtube vid that made me think he might be the real deal, but given some of his opponents, and thn watching him in preseason… Im not counting him out for Sunday, I just think its gonna be a dog fight, up to our defense vs Palmer, not so much Glennon.
September 26th, 2013 at 11:11 am
Too bad there are no Coughlin-Shula-Belacheck type coaches around, I think Schiano is in over his head (Learning on the fly and by trial an error) Maybe Belecheck can help him along. He is a nice enough guy but so few college coaches translate to NFL success. Look at Pete Carroll, he went from NFL to college and back tot he NFL. Whatever he learned he has used to find success. Then you have the Saban’s (and possibly Kelly and Schiano) college coaches that fail. Two different worlds, one plays for pride the other for money. GO BUCS!
September 26th, 2013 at 11:15 am
Glennon isn’t a mobile QB. I doubt you will see him tuck the ball iand run very often. But from what I’ve seen of him so far his pocket awareness and mobility inside the pocket seems much much better than Free’s. He’s not a total statue back there.
September 26th, 2013 at 11:16 am
@ WinterSpringsBucsFan
Glennon ran for -292 yards from scrimmage while at State…so no, he can’t run lol
September 26th, 2013 at 11:21 am
@ Eric
You’ve been consistent over the years, I’ll give you that. I’m inclined to agree with you on the entire situation over there at OBP. It’s a mess. I’m not sure what Schiano told Dom and the Glazers boys about what he’d do with Freeman but all we’ve seen is regression since Schiano stepped foot on campus.
The best thing we can hope for now is that now that Schiano has his people in place that we can overcome our shortcomings in the personnel department (no depth), the coaches box (failed to build a scheme around our QB) and on the field (mistakes/penalties/talent erosion). I’m in a wait-and-see mode at this point.
September 26th, 2013 at 11:29 am
Expect sacks. The Cards are going to bring the house against a rookie QB in his first game — what they’re really hoping is to turn that pressure into turnovers, not just sacks.
Keys for Glennon are therefore:
– Don’t fumble when pressured
– Limit bad throws under pressure (no more than 1 INT)
– At least once take advantage of AZ selling out at least once with a big downfield play
That’s what it’ll take to win. I’ll be shocked if Mike takes fewer than 3 sacks, but if we do the above we can still win even if Mike takes more than 3 sacks.
September 26th, 2013 at 11:32 am
Just look at Freeman’s performance, as coach said. I think he had more sacks than completions in preseason. We never sustained a drive. The regular season has been no different. Repeated delay of game penalties, staring down receivers, inaccuracy, etc. We’d all be upset if Freeman looked the same and Schiano didn’t make a change.
September 26th, 2013 at 11:34 am
There’s no reason why anyone should believe what Schiano has to say pertaining to football.
I love the fact that all the cards are on the table. We win and Singano proves to be an NFL HC. We continue to loose then we can get rid off Schiano and bring someone that knows what it takes to win in the NFL…
September 26th, 2013 at 11:36 am
Actually, I don’t think it’s quite the mess at One Buc that everyone is making it out to be. The defense is solid. All we need to do is score some points and we don’t have to set the world on fire in that dept to win games. Mike Glennon has a good arm and if he can minimize his mistakes and not turn the ball over in the redzone etc. we could actually see an improvement in the offense. It can’t get any worse than it has been. Not all of that is on Freeman. He didn’t play nearly as bad as his stats indicate but he is not the leader that this team needs to take us to the next level. Is Mike Glennon? Who knows. We should know by the end of the season. If he isn’t then we should be in good position to draft a QB in 2014. Teddy Bridgewater or Taj Boyd would be good choices. I do not want Johnny Manziel. That kid is a great player but he is a train wreck waiting to happen.
September 26th, 2013 at 11:38 am
How can you say Freeman has only gone backwards under Schiano when he threw career high yards and TDs last year?
September 26th, 2013 at 11:39 am
Well if there is a light at the end of Freeman’s tunnel it will show in the next couple of games. If we continue losing because the whole team is not collectively doing their jobs it will take the weight off of Josh’s shoulders. Maybe it will paint a broader picture to the rest of the NFL GM’s that the struggles were not all directly linked to Freeman. Then Freeman can go on with his career somewhere else and have them in the playoffs before us.. lol .. wouldn’t that be ironic?
September 26th, 2013 at 11:56 am
@ Otto
Completion % and confidence. Youtube “2010 Freeman Highlights” and then look at the past 9 or so games. Dude is a shell of himself. It’s not a coincidence that his play went from “inconsistent w/flashes of brillance” under Greg Benn’d Around Olson to “terrible w/ flashes of mediocrity” under Schiano. Should Josh have overcome that? Yes. But the data also shows that Schiano is to blame as well.
September 26th, 2013 at 12:14 pm
How about 2011 Josh Freeman….
September 26th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
I wasnt for the benching of freeman BUT im all about the bucs winning games…i have complete faith that glennon will complete 60% or more of his passes and i think he’ll be ver accurate but theres on problem…..YOU CANT OVERCOME SCHEME
When Did freeman really start to struggle last year after starting out great? I say it was when defenses figured out our high school offense and adjusted to what we do took away his best options. and regardless of how accurate he is, with no tight end or slot guy their gonna force him to make the tough throws like they did freeman…good luck glennon because i swear i want you to be successful just to shine a light on coaching and scheme because no one really see’s how poor coaching and scheme is….lets see a more accurate qb overcome a garbage game plan
September 26th, 2013 at 12:33 pm
Otto Says:
September 26th, 2013 at 12:14 pm
“How about 2011 Josh Freeman….”
Maybe you’ll get an answer, maybe you won’t.
September 26th, 2013 at 12:34 pm
^^^ I agree. The opposing defenses started keeping safeties deep and took away all post patterns and it forced Josh to throw into smaller windows. Our OC never counteracted in his scheme to take advantage of what defenses was giving, all exacerbated by the fact we lacked the elite personnel to dominate the middle of the field.
September 26th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
@SensibleBuc…
“Completion % and confidence. Youtube “2010 Freeman Highlights” and then look at the past 9 or so games. Dude is a shell of himself. It’s not a coincidence that his play went from “inconsistent w/flashes of brillance” under Greg Benn’d Around Olson to “terrible w/ flashes of mediocrity” under Schiano. Should Josh have overcome that? Yes. But the data also shows that Schiano is to blame as well.”
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What about the 6 game streak that Freeman had last year where he was the leading QB in the NFL? The franchise record 4000+ yards? Is that Schiano’s fault too? Bottom line is Freeman is inconsistent and always has been. he truly has been a ‘rollercoaster’ and it’s hard to pin that on the coaching. The only thing I fault the coaching for is not utilizing Freeman’s legs and not getting him out of the pocket more. I like Josh and I was hoping he could pull it together but he doesn’t have the leadership qualities to recover once he starts a slump. He just doesn’t believe in himself enough to make others believe in him.
September 26th, 2013 at 1:35 pm
How depressing.
I was all geared up, thinking that we were finally out of “rebuilding” phase and were now on the cusp of a playoff run.
Instead, we are back to square one, on offense.
As much as I want Glennon to win, I have very, very little faith that he is our answer at QB.
My fear (hopefully I am wrong), is that Glennon won’t pan out, and we will draft the top QB in the next draft… which means we may not see a stable offense until 2015.
I’m tired of this constant rebuilding.
September 26th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
I’m going to be laughing my stripes off at you morons when you turn on this kid too.
Think about it – they had the EXACT same stats in college, they have nearly the EXACT style of play – slow-footed, drop back passers (except Josh is actually more nimble, while eyewitness reports have Glennon tripping over his own shadow), they both can chuck it a ton…
so Schiano wants us to believe that by replacing an experienced QB who is struggling with the offense, an offensive line that’s struggling with snap counts and the most expensive lineman in football NOT being on the field, wide-receivers that quit at half-time, and who round off their routes – and that QB has (at best) been described as “inconsistent” – will be improved by handing THIS offense, and THIS line, and THESE wide receivers – over to an INexperienced QB who is still struggling with learning offense, and who has a history of being inconsistent?
…and you fools wonder why the stadium isn’t full…
September 26th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
@White Tiger…
No idiot. Schiano has to find out what we have in Glennon so we know whether or not we have to draft QB in 2014. Do you actually think there was a chance of them extending Freeman? If the answer is no then the smart thing to do is find out what you have in Glennon. As far as a history of being inconsistent…he has no history at all in the NFL. That’s all that matters.
September 27th, 2013 at 3:13 am
OK, I’ll only use one paw to type slow enough for you to read it.
Spit in one hand and then wish in the other – that’s what you have in Glennon.
The morons are those that believe the group that keeps doing the same things (like build a mobile offensive line, for a pocket passer – spending money on elite lineman, that spend more time on IR than they do keeping d-linemen off of the QB – I mean it must be Josh’s accent that distracts those intelligent linemen from what the snap count is – and receivers who aren’t able to find the handle on the ball on critical drives – yeah, thats why we need to change to Glennon!
OR, not, morons.
This is me clapping with for you and Schaino with the one paw I didn’t need pointing out the whats obvious to folks who’ve seen this act before.
Altjough, it was funnier when Perkins did it – because he played such a straight man – and Schiano has nowhere near the charm of Sam Wyche.
…but they all had one thing in common, the next QB was going to turrn it all around…
You keep letting them fool YOU into believing that a third round draft pick known for his consistency problems is going to improve this team by replacing the only QB on the roster WITH NFL experience who has consistency problems.
Keep doing the same stuff and expecting different results…
and weren’t you one of the ones that told us all we needed to do was fire Gruden and all our troubles would work out for us…
…do you remember your favorite backup from those days?