Bringing The House
September 4th, 2013
Joe just shook his head yesterday. No, it was not because he was savoring the fact he just demolished the greatest sandwich in the free world — an authentic Primanti Brothers behemoth.
Joe shook his head in amazement of what may very well be an NFL record. With recent roster moves since the original final 53-man roster was announced, the Bucs now have four guys on the defensive line who were third-day draft picks in 2013.
That just blows Joe’s mind. Three is amazing and does say something about the prowess of Bucs rock star general manager Mark Dominik. But now four? That tells Joe the defensive front was much, much thinner than those outside of One Buc Palace imagined.
But the wild card here, so believes Pat Yasinskas of ESPN.com, is that Darrelle Revis will help the pass rush. Yes, a cornerback. Yasinskas brings ammo to this discussion, based on what the Jets and their coach, Capt. Lou Albano, did in rushing the passer with Revis in the secondary.
Revis has the ability to shut down one side of the field. In theory, that should allow the Bucs the opportunity to bring extra pass rushers. That’s something that worked quite well for the New York Jets when they had Revis.
From 2008 through 2012, the Jets brought five or more pass rushers on 40 percent of dropbacks by opponents, according to ESPN Stats & Information. That figure ranked third in the NFL. The Jets held opponents to a 55-percent completion rate, which ranked No. 1 in the league, and an average of 6.4 yards per attempt which ranked second in the league.
This is an interesting thought. It’s hardly a state secret the Bucs are uncovering every rock imaginable (short of them signing a proven pass rusher as a free agent in the offseason) to find a way to get at the quarterback.
If the Bucs blitz two guys, as Yasinskas hints, perhaps both David and/or Barron, there simply won’t be enough blockers to stop six (seven?) pass rushers. It’s simple math.
The way Dashon Goldson can play centerfield, it should allow Barron to rush the passer on clear passing downs. Joe’s of the belief that Barron’s going to have to live up to his high draft status or Bucs fans will start kvetching louder about Dominik passing on linebacker Luke Kuechly for Barron.
September 4th, 2013 at 7:13 am
This is going to be the best season the Bucs have had in 10 years. Watch and see!
September 4th, 2013 at 7:20 am
Like I’ve said…the Bucs will be a different team with Darrelle Revis on the field. I absolutely think the addition of Goldson & Revis will help Barron the most. Adding a year’s experience will spark improvement also. I’m looking for big things from the “Red Barron” in the “No Fly Zone”!!!
September 4th, 2013 at 7:34 am
“Three is amazing and does say something about the prowess of Bucs rock star general manager Mark Dominik. ”
Joe, not sure how you can say that. To me, it speaks to Dom’s ineptitude to build a line over the past 4 years. Have 4 low draft picks, at this stage unproven, is not something to be proud of, especially now that Bowers isn’t even a starter to be counted on.
September 4th, 2013 at 7:35 am
“The Master Evaluator of Talent.” He found gems like Brian Price, Kyle Moore, and Myron Lewis. Oh wait, they aren’t with the team any more
September 4th, 2013 at 7:57 am
Eric stokes has game but still we will never be over 500 with dom i’n charge.
September 4th, 2013 at 8:06 am
Blitzing blitzing blitzing. There is less of a risk when you have someone like revis. It’s less predictable. The biltz can come rom ANYWHERE. This is why I’m not worried about our pass rush. It won’t be 4 plays going after the quarterback and for damn sure not three. Look for Barron, Foster, David, Watson, Goldson, and even LJ or Banks to come after the quarterback this year. Revis is not your average corner you can create a scheme around him or enhance your own. Schiano wants to blitz and he will not have the opportunity and I think the blitz will get there more times than not. GO BUCS!
September 4th, 2013 at 8:07 am
*now have the opportunity
September 4th, 2013 at 8:16 am
I have to admit, Dom didn’t do too well drafting that D Line. Four top 2 round picks in 2 years. The only one he nailed so far is Gerald. But that was an easy one.
But I still say Rah had input just like Greg does now, and his drafting has improved since Greg got here, and if they both stay, the drafting will keep getting better. I’m not saying Rah is the sole reason the line drafting wasn’t great, but he does deserve as much blame as Dom does.
September 4th, 2013 at 8:16 am
Providing Revis is Revis it’s not a slam dunk
September 4th, 2013 at 8:28 am
Prowess?
Easy way to actually demonstrate that – have your team win the Division. Then we can talk prowess.
September 4th, 2013 at 8:39 am
Eric, I think Joe was kidding with the prowess line, as in lack thereof
September 4th, 2013 at 8:49 am
Injuries have drastically affected all four of Dom’s DL draft picks. This has impacted their performance. Cut Dom some slack.
September 4th, 2013 at 8:51 am
Steve or whoever wrote this,
How can you applaud Dom for adding 2013 picks to the d line when he is the one who’s built the roster for the last 5 years? Thanks for the laugh.
September 4th, 2013 at 8:54 am
@Kennedy,
Nah I think Joe was serious about three making the team = prowess, but maybe not four.
But, Joe is slippery so you never know.
🙂
September 4th, 2013 at 8:56 am
bring on the football!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 4th, 2013 at 9:07 am
Great, another thread about Dominick rather than the actual point of the article. Watch this video and see how much pressure the Jets were able to get on QBs because of time in the pocket and personnel in the backfield. The Bucs arent on the level the 2009-2011 jets D yet, but cant help to watch this and gets excited as hell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHovQdbmwgE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
September 4th, 2013 at 9:11 am
So what happens if Revis gets hurt, or doesn’t comeback to be the player he used to be?
If Dominic and Schiano build the D-Line hoping for Revis to help them get to the QB it’s a high risk move and not the norm in the NFL. Lets just hope we can put pressure on the QB without the ridiculous blitzing happy, college defense that Schiano tried to use last year… Smart QB’s like Brees will find ways to beat those blitzes…
September 4th, 2013 at 9:20 am
@k_b Revis was not the only addition to this secondary. Goldson helps and all the players that played in this scheme wil have another year to improvs
September 4th, 2013 at 9:33 am
@K_bassuka
Well the risk was there for the Jets and their defense fell apart completely after Revis got injured, that’s with a solid CB still playing (Antonio Cromartie) The defense is build with CBs defending themselves as they plan man to man heavily.
September 4th, 2013 at 9:45 am
Joe’s of the belief that Barron’s going to have to live up to his high draft status or Bucs fans will start kvetching louder about Dominik passing on linebacker Luke Kuechly for Barron.
You know, that it’s always easier to play armchair GM after the fact.
September 4th, 2013 at 9:45 am
The Jets defense fell apart without Revis? They finished 8th overall defensively and number 2 vs. the pass in 2012.
Wish we could fall apart like that.
September 4th, 2013 at 9:47 am
@Joe, where can we find that sandwich?
September 4th, 2013 at 9:47 am
Yaskinskas is a beat writer. Not an analysts. Pass rush needs to get better. Plus qbs will easily avoid Revis if that’s true. It’s up to the dline to provide pressure.
September 4th, 2013 at 9:54 am
@TD
I know we made other moves. One thing that worries me about Goldson is that he came from a defense that put more pressure on the QB with 3 DL than we did with 4-5 players when we blitzed. That makes covering a lot easier.
@You Go Joe
I agree, but the Jets defense went from top 3 to top 15 without Revis which means that they were putting pressure on the QB even without him on the team.
Lets hope we can do the same…
September 4th, 2013 at 10:08 am
It amazes me how people seem to think 1st day drafted players are the end all be all of the league. You can’t get a whole team full of 1st rounders. The only thing that having 4 day 3 drafted players on the D-Line tells me is that Dom is very confident in his ability to judge talent…
How about we let the team play a meaningful game before we start declaring this a failure? or anything else a failure.
Not sure why the impatient rush to declare everything a failure this off-season before the season has started.
September 4th, 2013 at 10:13 am
Rick:
This may shock you, but as the name of the sandwich suggests, at Primantis!
September 4th, 2013 at 10:19 am
[Dude: You can pimp your stuff easier on Twitter than on here. — Joe]
September 4th, 2013 at 10:21 am
It’s outside sources that are predicting failure. We just happen to have a lot of fans who predicate their own personal knowledge on what they hear from them. Personally I thought Dominik did fantastic when he drafted Barron, Martin, and David. 1 – 2 – 3. If he had taken Kuechly instead, it could have changed the whole time continuum thingy, and Martin or David wouldn’t have been there. lol
September 4th, 2013 at 10:25 am
Adam Says: September 4th, 2013 at 7:35 am
“The Master Evaluator of Talent.” He found gems like Brian Price, Kyle Moore, and Myron Lewis. Oh wait, they aren’t with the team any more.”
And he also found gems like Gerald McCoy, Mike Williams, Mason Foster, Lavante David, Baron, Freeman, etc.
You can point out picks that don’t work out all day for ANY GM. The truth is, Mark Dominick has as many success stories as failures. There are teams cutting drafted players
September 4th, 2013 at 10:26 am
cutting drafted players after only a year now…players picked in the first two rounds.
September 4th, 2013 at 10:29 am
Agreed. I just dont understand the logic in declaring a failure on Wednesday, when Game 1 is Sunday. Lol, Nobody knows what we have. It’s fine to have an opinion… but wow, some are talking as if its fact and has been fact for months now.
September 4th, 2013 at 10:30 am
Joe, I would love to see a story comparing Mark Dominicks drafts to the McKay and Allen drafts.
If people think Marks first draft was bad they should look at Rich McKays. In 1993 he had 10 picks and only on worked out (Lynch).
September 4th, 2013 at 10:32 am
You can point out picks that don’t work out all day for ANY GM. The truth is, Mark Dominick has as many success stories as failures. There are teams cutting drafted players
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Another truth is that when you compare Dom’s drafts to others, especially in our own division, he has been just as good if not better.
September 4th, 2013 at 10:35 am
Well said Couch. Man…the excitement is building within me. I have a really good feeling about this year.
I realize the Bucs have to prove themselves to be able to do the things the national media and a group of fans say they cannot do. But I also look at it this way…they have to prove they can’t do them as well. It’s a clean slate and I really like most of the moves the last two off seasons.
September 4th, 2013 at 10:37 am
Drafting anybody out of college is a crap shoot. I’d say having two stick out of any draft is a success story. I was just hearing this morning about how many top 10 picks from the 2009 draft turned out to be busts and are cut.
I also agree that getting Barron, Martin and David is better than getting Kuechly and maybe missing out on Martin and David. Lavonte actually had a better year than Kuechly. More solo tackles. Most of Kuechly’s were assists. Kuechly is a very good player but I’m happy with David.
September 4th, 2013 at 11:01 am
Bunch of whining Buc fans. Oh but what if Revis gets hurt and what if this and what if that meh and meh and meh. Whine.
September 4th, 2013 at 11:16 am
JOE, having never heard of them I just googled primanti bros, and only Oakland park, and Sunrise Fl. had shown up (and Pittsburgh) I knew you were almost definitely not driving that far just for a sandwich lol. I will just chalk up your underhanded slap at my intelligence level as being my fault for not properly explaining the details of my original question and own search.
September 4th, 2013 at 11:22 am
Bonzai:
Joe doesn’t have to do the research. While McKay (Dungy) were brutal beyond words drafting offensive skill players (sans running backs), McKay (not Dungy) drafted two and maybe three Hall of Famers. Scoreboard.
The two best draft picks Bruce Almighty (Chucky) made were Aqib Talib and Davin Joseph. ‘Nuff said.
Dominik, much to some Bucs fans’ chagrin, isn’t that bad. Just look at Bill Belicheat’s recent drafts of defensive backs.
September 4th, 2013 at 12:12 pm
Joe’s of the belief that Barron’s going to have to live up to his high draft status or Bucs fans will start kvetching louder about Dominik passing on linebacker Luke Kuechly for Barron.
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Agreed, Barron needs to play better. He was on the same field with the “aderall twins” (Wright and Talib). How was he going to learn to get better with that example on the field. Getting very tired of comparing Barron to Kuechly. Look we have David who is playing better than Kuechly. I’ll take LVD all day!
September 4th, 2013 at 12:50 pm
I guess SOME fans expected Barron to immediately in his rookie season become the 2nd coming of John Lynch and go to the Pro Bowl. Bunch of silly Sally’s.
September 4th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
funny how a POSITIVE uplifting video on our All-Pro CB, gets less than 10 comments. but when it comes to Dominik or Freeman bashing, all the Debbie Downers come out with a hard on to hate on someone. (unless its a Shaun King article, which I understand)
but Jesus Christ Bin Laden! we’ve got some negative ass fans.
September 4th, 2013 at 1:10 pm
tonytwocents…now you know why the stadium never sells out.
September 4th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
kvetching !!!!! hilarious, now thats a word i would not have expected to see on this site .
September 4th, 2013 at 4:02 pm
I have been busy trying to encourage my friends to go to the Bucs games, especially the home opener. I know what I’m doing.
If true fans don’t stop with the negative talk and start promoting the team they’ll never sell out. Because the fair weather fans listen only to the negative national media.
September 4th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
Primanti’s sandwiches are as disgusting as the crap hole they come from. just like Steelers fans
September 4th, 2013 at 9:18 pm
“Primanti’s sandwiches are as disgusting as the crap hole they come from. just like Steelers fans”
WOW, you don’t like the Resteraunt, or sandwich, huh? Over-react much?