Freeman On His First Head Coach
August 10th, 2013
Keyshawn Johnson served up a shot at Raheem Morris today while assessing Josh Freeman
What a surprise treat! Just as Joe was about to bang away on his keyboard after the final Bucs open practice of 2013 training camp, in walks Keyshawn Johnson, the former Bucs wide receiver and current BSPN analyst who regaled the Bucs pen and mic club with all sorts of stories about the Bucs, Chucky, Tuna Parcells, and more.
In a long discussion about Josh Freeman, Johnson seemed sympathetic and believes Freeman has the Bucs over a barrel. “Who are you going to get?” Johnson asked if the Bucs would wave goodbye to No. 5. “Who is coming out in the draft? Teddy Bridgewater? Aaron Murray?”
When Joe asked Johnson if Freeman was similar to Rams quarterback Sam Bradford, a first round quarterback who is on the cusp of being a top quarterback but hasn’t (yet) put his team on his back, Johnson had an interesting answer.
“Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, same type,” Johnson said. “But [Bradford] has gone through three coaching changes, right? He is on his third head coach. Freeman is on really his first.”
When Johnson was quickly corrected that Raheem Morris was the Bucs coach when Freeman was drafted, Johnson had a smirk on his face and a twinkle in his eye and nodded, “Really, first.”
Translation: Johnson thought very little of Morris.
August 10th, 2013 at 5:06 pm
What a coincidence …I think very little of Meshawn ….
The only good thing he has done is chase down beiber in his car…
August 10th, 2013 at 5:10 pm
I’m confused is he saying Josh has less excuses cause e only has one coach. Or is he saying josh has more excuses cause he was in the league for several years with no coach
August 10th, 2013 at 5:14 pm
Im shocked keyshawn knows so little about his.former team. Especially if he wants. To be an analyst.
August 10th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
@mavs
… it’s not that he didn’t know.
he’s trying to say that Raheem was NOT a “real” head coach.
so schiano is the only “real” head coach freeman has had
August 10th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
He’s right. Morris was a stop gap the Glazers tossed in there after they fired Allen. They wanted someone cheap. The whole purpose was to get them through the transition of waiving all the veteran players and stocking up on drafted players before they would search for a bona fide Head Coach. It wasn’t Morris’s fault that he just wasn’t ready to make the leap. He was hired to be the sacrificial lamb. But the 2010 season through a monkey wrench into the whole deal because I personally don’t think that the Glazers nor Dominik thought they would finish with a winning record like they did. I think it was an anomaly, especially when they crashed back to earth in 2011. Incidentally, Morris’s last year.
August 10th, 2013 at 5:21 pm
correction: threw a monkey wrench
August 10th, 2013 at 5:41 pm
I agree with him.
August 10th, 2013 at 5:45 pm
Couldn’t agree more. Raheem was a joke of a head coach.
August 10th, 2013 at 5:51 pm
I agree with Key. Wow, I have more respect for him than Shaun King.
Key spoke the truth… Raheem wasn’t a real NFL capable head coach.
August 10th, 2013 at 6:06 pm
Yeah. Keyshawn is actually right. Raheem wasnt a coach. He was a buddy. I cant count how many times i heard analyissts say when watching Bucs practices that they were laughable and no where near preparing properly at the NFL Level. I think Rich Gannon laughed and stressed it several times watching the bucs in practice under morris, just knew it wasn’t going to be a good week.
Rah is a positions coach who was hired on the cheap until Grudens contract ran out. No matter how you want to put it. It’s faiirly easy to tell.
August 10th, 2013 at 6:06 pm
I doubt we are going to make any splashes in FA next season. There is even less of a chance that we are going to trade for a QB. Who would be any better than Freeman or wouldn’t be just as much of a risk? Would you give up a 1st round pick for Ryan Mallett, Kirk Cousins, or Nick Foles? I wouldn’t! I don’t think old heads like Cutler or Rivers would be a long-term improvement if they became available either
So who might be available in the draft? Tahj Boyd? A.J.McCarron? Teddy Bridgewater? Aaron Murray? Right now Johnny Manziel is his own worst enemy and would make Vincent Jackson and the long ball a thing of the past. Would we wait another 3 years to see if any one of these guys can play NFL football? And if we were even considering the draft for a QB, doesn’t that say we don’t believe Glennon is the answer. If the plan now is to keep 3 QBs, is there faith at OBP that Glennon is a Franchise QB in the making? Anybody think the coach and GM would bet their contracts on it. I don’t think any of these guys are a sure fire upgrade over Freeman!
Aside from that, how many games can we honestly say Freeman lost last year – three or four? Isn’t that kind of par for any QB not named Manning, Brady or Rodgers? No QB is infallible, just less inclined to make stupid mistakes that cost the team wins. Freeman has to improve on his consistency – that goes without question. But with less pressure to put the team on his shoulders and another year with the same offense and as Key says having his first real coach – that may be just the ticket. And right now I can’t think of anybody that would be available that would hands-down be any better!
August 10th, 2013 at 6:08 pm
I should frame Buc’N Junkie’s comments and post it on my living room wall. As much as I liked Raheem as a regular guy, I had questions about his Head-Coaching skills.
I don’t know what Keyshawn has been drinking lately, but for some reason I’m starting to respect him just a little bit more (I still think he’s an ___ though). First it was the Beiber incident, now THIS statement.
This is some true insight into our QB’s situation. Thanks for posting it Joe Buc…
August 10th, 2013 at 6:28 pm
Key actually isn’t that bad of an analyst. He speaks pretty well, and isn’t a little kiss ass. And Mavsmoney – CONTEXT my dude. He was needling Raheem, as in he obviously doesn’t think very highly of “rah” as a coach. Even if hypotheticaly speaking, that wasn’t what he was doing, his job now is to have knowledge of ALL 32 teams, not just our precious Bucs…
On another note, getting Teddy Bridgewater certainly wouldn’t hurt my feelings, but that won’t happen unless we go 1-15 and I don’t think anyone wants that. And then again, who would you get a franchise QB or a superfreak like Clowney. Anyway..Whatever..
August 10th, 2013 at 7:18 pm
MeShawn might has a point about Raheem I believe the man was just thrown into the fire, but it wasn’t his fault!! Like who wouldn’t take a promotion, as for Freeman he just has to get the ball in his playmakers hands & cut down the bad Josh (the last four games of last year) & good Josh ( no turnovers)!! Hopefully Josh will produce with this being his 2nd year with Sully!! #itsabucslife
August 10th, 2013 at 8:11 pm
Right Buc’n Junkie…I used to argue that same point with all the Raheem supporters on NFL.com during the 2011 season. Of course I got attacked in there too as a know nothing. Buc fans thought I was nuts and didn’t know wtf I was talking about, but I told them Gruden was still being paid his gauranteed contract. That’s why they hired on the cheap and got an assistant DB coach to be head coach. Then when it was close to the end of the season all of them were saying. They better not fire him, and stuff like he’ll just be re-hired by another team and be their HC. It was all quite laughable. Stupidity happens on here too a lot. Those random Buc fans that come out of nowhere and just type stupid BS that makes no sense at all. But like you always say Junkie. You can’t fix stupid.
August 10th, 2013 at 8:31 pm
Like earlier today on another thread, can’t remember which one it was. I drop a nugget like the Bucs might end up drafting a QB in the 1st round next year, if this season is a bust. Oh no someone said they already have Glennon they would not draft a QB. As if there was no possibility of such a thing. As if Glennon is the only answer at QB next season if Freeman sucks it up. It’s sad but true. I’m not calling anybody out, because I truly did forget who it was that said it.Nor am I bashing Glennon, so don’t you Glennon goons think I am either. If there is a top tier QB in next years draft a true elite 1st rounder and Freeman sucks it up. I’ll tell you right now if the Bucs are drafting high enough they’ll take him. For the rest of you numbnuts that think otherwise. Well remain how you are I guess. You can’t fix stupid.
August 10th, 2013 at 8:39 pm
Solaire of Astora ….he’s saying the latter. Like as in YOU will have to excuse Freeman, because he has not had a real coach only for one year. Meaning Schiano. He means Freeman learned nothing by having Morris as his head coach.
Now here comes the part where another Buc fan comes in and tells me I’m wrong, or Keyshawn does not know what he’s talking about and neither do I. Or what makes you think your always right? Or why is that you always attack people for their opinions?
blah blah blah and on it goes.
August 10th, 2013 at 9:01 pm
@ Macabee ….I’ve already stated pretty much what you said. In one blunt sentence a week ago about Freeman in here. When I said. They will fix him. Same thing I told the guy in front of me at the game when I held up my We Believe In Freeman banner. He said to me like a dumbass. Do you, do you really believe in him? I quickly said to him YES, yes I do because the current staff will fix him. I’m that confident of it Macabee. I bought his friggin jersey this offseason. It’s probably the #1 reason why I defend the poor bastard in here. That one small sentence. They will fix him. He has progressed, not regressed from 2011. He’s a much better QB under Schiano and gang. 2013 is going to be his breakout year. I don’t give a crap what anyone else in here thinks about him right now. I know I’m right. Now if I can only learn to make more of these one short sentences, other than these long drawn out explanations like this. Okay I’m done blogging to myself now for awhile. I think I took up the whole page all by myself.
August 10th, 2013 at 9:33 pm
Good Buc 1987,
My post was repetition for emphasis! You keep tellin’ um until they get it!
August 10th, 2013 at 9:39 pm
@Macabee
That’s why I have been so emphatic about Freeman to other fans. I feel like I’ve been fighting a lone battle to keep our uninformed, or unreasonable, knee-jerk, pitch fork fans, from stirring up the pot, and recruiting other uninformed fans into their corner.
Trying to keep it from “the squeaky wheel gets the grease first” situation and forcing the club to make a horrible decision to satisfy the angry horde. Most get their information and make decisions based on what others say that have no real vested interest on what’s best for the Bucs or its fan base.
I keep hearing, “Well, I wanna win!”. Well so do I, and from doing all my homework and taking everything into consideration, and I mean everything, (all Freeman’s flaws, his age, his coach’s and OC’s, constantly changing and different systems) etc. etc., and it all adds up to, at this moment in time, unless someone can step-up, that if we are serious about winning,
QB Josh Freeman is our best bet.
For the record, I do not know Josh personally, although it would be nice to meet him one day. I do not sniff his jock, or eat, or hang from, or am blinded by it. Until the coach’s decide to make a change, this homey, is going to root for QB Josh Freeman. Bashing him constantly on a public forum is not conducive to our best interest.
August 10th, 2013 at 9:43 pm
Exactly Junkie, exactly. Hopefully we can tailgate together sometime and have a good laugh about all this.
August 10th, 2013 at 9:47 pm
And for the record I’m not a Blount hater. I wanted to keep him. Joe for some reason would not allow me to post that on the Blount thread earlier. I was just stating facts like depth charts, and the fact that Ridley is the main RB. Then I get attacked as a hater. So I tried to explain my reasoning. Joe would not post it. I don’t know what to tell ya.
August 10th, 2013 at 9:50 pm
*Buc1987
You know where I’ll be parked. I look forward to talkin’ Buc’n football with you while we suck down a few suds.
August 10th, 2013 at 9:53 pm
Don’t sweat it. Personally, I think Legarrette, deep down, wanted a fresh start somewhere else.
August 10th, 2013 at 9:54 pm
Morris was the worst coach in the history of the Buccaneers. Dead last in ability. I can honestly say I would take every single coach ahead of Morris if I had one game to win with a Buccaneer team.
August 10th, 2013 at 10:03 pm
^^^Actually going by winning %, he wasn’t the worst coach.
August 10th, 2013 at 10:09 pm
1987 I know I think Keshawn’s statement was just worded funny and I was poking fun.
August 10th, 2013 at 10:11 pm
I wouldn’t mind Aaron Murray if he falls in the draft. I like Fales also.
August 10th, 2013 at 10:33 pm
Yeah Adam,
There is no defense for Morris’ coaching skills, but he didn’t make himself coach and he is in rare company. The Bucs have had 9 HCs, only 3 of them other than Morris have won 10 games and only 2 have done it more than once.
And while we’re just having fun here Morris did it with no free agency, no right guard, a turnstile at RT, a gimpy turntable loving TE, a Cadillac with two bad wheels, and an inconsistent QB. Not bad! lol
August 11th, 2013 at 2:53 am
I’ll never forget the day we signed Albert Haynesworth. The stench of death was overpowering.
August 11th, 2013 at 9:39 am
^^^^ that even after he stunk it up in Washington and New England. We were so desperate for d-line help at the time, but even so, anyone except Fat Albert.
August 11th, 2013 at 10:43 am
I will repeat it….there is NO WAY….nada, zilch, that the Bucs draft a QB in the first round next year. I can’t believe anyone would even conceive of that as a possibility. They go out and get Revis, Goldson, Nicks, Vjax, and they did it to start over again with a rookie QB??? C’mon! It’s not going to happen. It’s Freeman and if it’s not Freeman they are grooming Glennon, NOT another QB in round 1. Could they bring in another QB to backup Glennon if they trade Freeman? Absolutlely, just not in round 1.
August 12th, 2013 at 11:45 am
Keyshawn knows so much less than he thinks he knows. As a buc he got in coach’s faces many times thinking he knew better. He quit the team and was in the booth the next week working for the NFL for a bucs broadcast! I wouldn’t trust anything that this little gnat of a man says! He is a bastard.
August 12th, 2013 at 11:58 am
Buc1987 – no one is going to remember what you posted 2 weeks ago. Believe it or not, people do not value some faceless internet dude’s opinion that much. Hate to break it to you guy. How many times are you going to post anyway. Hate reading these comments. All I see is the same 3 assholes posting on here incessantly.