Stop With The Mike Glennon Chatter
July 28th, 2013
Joe knows many Bucs fans are fed up with Bucs quarterback Josh Freeman. Yes, Freeman puts up fantasy football numbers with 4,000 yards passing last year (just like immortals such as Marc Bulger, Scott Mitchell, Jay Schroeder, Steve Beuerlein, Elvis Grbac, Jon Kitna and Bill Kenney). It’s his 6-15 record against teams with winning marks and his roller coaster ways that have driven many Bucs fans to flail their arms in exasperation.
To these fans, Freeman is akin to dating a beautiful girl who suffers from manic depression and is off the Zoloft. You just can’t guess what the next hour will bring.
But Freeman shows enough top-shelf ability, along with it being his second season in a complex offense, where it would be moronic to bench him. Especially for a rookie quarterback who (once again) confesses he is not ready, as documented by eye-RAH! Kaufman of The Tampa Tribune.
Rookie QB Mike Glennon says he’s still a long way away from learning the offense. You wouldn’t have known it from watching him run the 2-minute drill during Saturday’s night practice.
Against a unit of mostly second-team defenders, Glennon drove the Bucs into position for a game-tying field goal during a mock 2-minute drill, only to see K Lawrence Tynes miss a 42-yard attempt.
“I wouldn’t say I have much of it down,” Glennon said of the offense. “I’m understanding more and more of it every day. It’s still going to be awhile, so the preseason games will be a huge help.”
Look, if Freeman doesn’t prove himself this year and the Bucs ownership, front office and coaching staff all concur it’s time to turn the page, then it will be turned. Joe’s going to guess Freeman would have to go all JaMarcus Russell for the Bucs to wave goodbye.
This fallacy that Glennon is going to beat out Freeman for the starting job this season is lunacy at its finest. It’s akin to believing curvy Rachel Watson has lured Joe into her lair for some heavy-panting wrestling between the sheets.
July 28th, 2013 at 8:15 am
The Buc faithful are not expecting Glennon to beat Freeman out in training camp Joe. Not early this season for that matter.
What we are expecting is for Freeman to beat himself out of a Ryan, Stafford, Flacco contract.
We’ll see the same Freeman this year, and he won’t impress. He’s unable to handle pressure. Lets hope the rest of team can carry him.
July 28th, 2013 at 8:30 am
You either have a “Franchise QB” or you are looking for one. The Bucs are looking for one.
July 28th, 2013 at 8:34 am
Joe,….you say “stop the Mike Glennon chatter” then you give us this subject to chatter about!
Glennon will only start if in mid or late season Freeman hasn’t performed and the Bucs record is dismal. If that happens, Freeman is gone.
I don’t expect this to happen at all. Shaun King thinks we should have already signed Freeman….he is wrong…you don’t sign if you aren’t sure.
“Shaun King, one of two Buc Quarterbacks that lost a NFC Championship Game when his defense gave up 11 or fewer points.”
July 28th, 2013 at 8:40 am
No one talks about getting rid of Stafford (who just got a big new deal) even though he has a 1-22 record against winning teams and had a lower QB rating than Freeman last year. And that’s with the best WR in the game on his team. Just more of the media piling on Freeman and not doing their own homework to form an original opinion. BTW, I wouldn’t get rid of Stafford either. Similar to Freeman, he has no defense and has to outscore people.
July 28th, 2013 at 9:07 am
@Chili How many names do you post under?
July 28th, 2013 at 9:13 am
Actually, I just joined this site this morning so only one. Another stat for you, Romo and his $100m contract was 2-7 last year against winning teams.
July 28th, 2013 at 9:23 am
The thing I find most concerning from this article is the Lawrence Tyne miss from 42 yards out. Does anyone know Tynes is looking this training camp?
July 28th, 2013 at 9:26 am
I would not have rushed to sign either of the above mentioned either,
especially Romo lol.
And actually on the NFL Network recently this past week I saw Stafford being discussed as being too inconsistent when the games on the line to have received his big contract so yes indeed his name is being brought up.
July 28th, 2013 at 9:29 am
I think our excellent WRs bail out Freeman more often then not. The circus catches they make over defenders or on low or high passes is incredible.
I don’t think anyone is saying Glennon should start the season. This is Freeman’s year good or bad. I hope he shows improvement and can lead this team. If not, then give Glennon a shot next year. Glennon lacks Josh’s mobility (he doesn’t use) but I think he is smarter. He already is better at interviews. Plus he double majored and got a masters while at college.
July 28th, 2013 at 9:35 am
@PRBucFan….Agree on Romo, that’s too much money for someone who hasn’t done anything in the playoffs. It’s tough for these teams to let these guys go, they might not be elite, but their team could be worse without them. I think what all of these mid-tier QBs would like is a defense like Russell Wilson’s who only gives up 13 points per game, that makes a QB look really good.
July 28th, 2013 at 9:46 am
I’ve seen Rachel and I’ve seen a couple of Joe’s, …um nevermind
Something catastrophic would have to happen to Josh and Dan for Mike to get a legit shot. Right now Orlovsky is #2, or why else would the Bucs go with three QB’s this year? If Mike moves ahead of Dan by the end of preseason, then I suspect we’ll release Dan and go with 2 QB’s like last year. If Mike can’t beat out Dan, then we’ll enter the season with 3 QBs.
July 28th, 2013 at 10:45 am
WarrenBucsFan—I thought the same thing. For some reason I’m feeling the Bucs will have a few different guys kicking FGs for them this season when its all said and done.
July 28th, 2013 at 10:47 am
What is this round 9 or 10 I forget? ding ding
July 28th, 2013 at 10:50 am
According to all the practice reps, Glennon is #2 as he should be. I dont think anyone expects Glennon to come in and beat out Freeman until he gets the playbook down which I see taking at least 8 games into the season.
Lol, I still want to know what Freeman has done in this league that is so good that people cant fathom a rookie taking his job. Another late season melt down should do the trick.
July 28th, 2013 at 10:53 am
@Chili
Just because those franchises (which both have happened to be bad for a pretty long time) overpaid there QB doesn’t mean we should follow in there foot steps. I believe in Dom and I think he’s smart enough to realize that over paying a mediocre QB will put this franchise in a huge hole and most likely will cost him his job. Let’s see Josh earn it first.
July 28th, 2013 at 11:25 am
Dominik should try to lock Freeman up on a 2 year deal similar to the one Mark Sanchez signed recently. Yet, I’d doubt Freeman would take it, as the open market will command a larger, more stable contract; at worst afford him a franchise tender.
Glennon’s success could mean keep this offense together, with the addition of more weapons.
Freeman’s succes could mean losing key components of this offense, without the option to add weapons unless through the draft.
July 28th, 2013 at 11:28 am
As far as the fan base goes when it come to Freeman. I see it like this there are some that think we’re going to get the same old Freeman. Then we have the ones (like me)that think he’s going to go off the chain this year.
July 28th, 2013 at 11:35 am
Alex Smith signed a 3 yr 24 million dollar contract with the Chiefs. I don’t care what the market value is for Freeman. I think if the Bucs have a winning season, say 10-6. Freeman deserves an Alex Smith type deal. Before people jump on me and say Smith is better than Freeman. I’ll go ahead and say it right now. Alex Smith did NOTHING for the Niners until Harbaugh arrived. Not saying Freeman won’t command more of deal. Just saying that’s all he will deserve as far as I’m concerned.
July 28th, 2013 at 11:56 am
3 yr 24 million is less that what josh is getting now. If Dom somehow signed Freeman to that sort of contract right now then I’d be all for that. But I think Josh is going to want A lot more than that.
July 28th, 2013 at 12:01 pm
Those teams who overpaid their QBs don’t also have premium money at so many other positions (CB, DT, OG, OT, WR, and eventually will be at RB, Martin). I only support premium QB money to guys who can carry a team, like Brady. A franchise type QB can mask deficiencies at other spots. Conversely, Freeman has shown he must have an all pro line and receivers to succeed (and even then he will struggle for streaks).
If he can show he can carry a team, he should be rewarded as such. That has not happened yet. If he can’t, the money needs to go elsewhere.
July 28th, 2013 at 12:02 pm
Those teams who overpaid their QBs don’t also have premium money at so many other positions (CB, DT, OG, OT, WR, and eventually will be at RB, Martin). I only support premium QB money to guys who can carry a team, like B_rady. A franchise type QB can mask deficiencies at other spots. Conversely, Freeman has shown he must have an all pro line and receivers to succeed (and even then he will struggle for streaks).
If he can show he can carry a team, he should be rewarded as such. That has not happened yet. If he can’t, the money needs to go elsewhere.
July 28th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
With this much talent around Freeman there really is no excuses for him this season. I still think the secondary was the biggest problem on whole team last year. It was glaring for all to see. Which makes me blame Freeman a whole lot less regardless of how he finished the season. We lost so many close games last year, that had nothing to do with Freeman. When Nick Foles is given what 1:38 secs on the clock and marches down on scores on you for the win. That’s big problem. I think it has been adressed, just like the QB spot will be adressed next off season. They will FIX this team at all costs.
July 28th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
I wonder how close Dom was to extending Freeman. While he was on fire last year (against bad team’s). Thank goodness, he might have got fired as Freeman stunk the place out down the streach. If Freeman takes a half off vs the jet’s and we happen to lose. He’ll be facing a must win by week 3. If we start out 0-3 he’ll be shown the bench. I personally think “dynamite” Dan Orlovsky could game manage this team to the playoff’s. Just take him out when we are inside our own 5 hahaha.
July 28th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
until Freeman improves his fundamentals there will be alot of hopeful wishing for us fellow bucs fans. I pray he makes tha necessary chances in his game 2 take us to tha next level, which is minimum mandatory playoffs and beyond for years to come. If he doesn’t then in with Glennon. Freeman’s brain is tha difference between winning tha Super Bowl and wanting to play.in it
July 28th, 2013 at 12:32 pm
A buddy of mine who lives in Tampa came away from last nights practice saying Freeman looked extremely inconsistent. (hes a niner fan). Saind Glennon struggled, but in wr 1 on 1 situations, Glennon put the ball accurately while Josh underthrew his wrs.
Is it day 3? Yes. But Josh Should have more chemisty and timing with his WRs. Everyone is back minus Tom Crabtree and Ogeltree who are new.
Glennon is a rookie, so inconsistency is expected. I’m not one who is saying Glennon should start, however numbnuts (buc1987) will twist my words.
But if Josh continues to struggle and Glennon improves, things will get interesting. Pre-season will tell a lot. My guess: Who ever the QB is, the RB committee led by Muscle Hamster will get a lot of work trying to take the stress off the QB during the reg. Season.
July 28th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
Freeman would get 20M per if he win’s the superbowl. If he get’s pulled early in the season. He’s looking at 5M per as a backup. Pro football focus is not a big Freeman fan. His short passing game is pitiful. The short pass is a common 3rd down call. Thus all his 3rd down bounce passes and 3rd row overthrow’s. 3 and out. He simply arm throw’s any pass 20 yard’s and under. Leading to bad accuracy. His longer throw’s he has to set his feet so he’s more accurate. Is it just me or in 2010 didn’t he throw a lot more rainbow passes. Seem like someone told him to throw hard liner’s instead of lob’s. I liken his short passing game to Shaq and his free throw’s. To much power to finesse the ball.
July 28th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
Chris why do you single me out? Do you need some Vagisil? Perhaps some midol?
July 28th, 2013 at 1:01 pm
Bc you’re the only one on here that actually gets very defensive over personnel opinions. So ask yourself, do you need some midol when someone doesn’t agree with you over your beloved josh freeman?
July 28th, 2013 at 1:03 pm
People say quit talking about the QB position, when in truth, this is the most highlighted topic in Tampa because, well , the team built around the QB is pretty strong. Actually in most units, bucs may have the better all around team in the divison when it comes to o-line, LBs, secondary, heck they have a very talented dline. Probably have the best RB in the division and #2 WR duo to Atlanta’s.
All that’s missing is quality QB play.
July 28th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
76buc76 Says:
July 28th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
I wonder how close Dom was to extending Freeman. While he was on fire last year (against bad team’s). Thank goodness, he might have got fired as Freeman stunk the place out down the streach. If Freeman takes a half off vs the jet’s and we happen to lose. He’ll be facing a must win by week 3. If we start out 0-3 he’ll be shown the bench. I personally think “dynamite” Dan Orlovsky could game manage this team to the playoff’s. Just take him out when we are inside our own 5 hahaha.
I don’t think he was that close, especially in mid season. The way dom works is, he’ll talk extension if you’re entering the last year of your contract. You see what buffalo did when Fitzpatrick a few years ago, gave him an extension during the mid way point of the season when he caught fire, however he didn’t end the season well and then stunk it up the next season.
Josh will either earn the extension, get franchised, or be on the FA market.
July 28th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
@chris..ho hum
July 28th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
@Chili
I hear ya man
@1987
I agree as far as IMO i think it would be a massive mistake to give Free a 100 million dollar type deal even if he has a good year.
Simply because 1 year is not enough IMO for a team to commit that type of money to a player. If he does it back to back seasons then absolutely do it but till than I think we would be jumping the gun.
July 28th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
I have been a Freeman supporter all along. I have been thinking he will turn the corner and be the franchise QB we all hope he will be. I was hoping to see a more polished Freeman last night, even though it was only the third practice. Instead the Josh I saw looked very much the same as last year. Even in practice, he locked on Vincent Jackson and threw to him even though he was completely covered. Mean while Mike Williams is running free across the middle all by himself. Also again he sucked at hitting targets going across the field (he came in third out of four) I am not sure how much that means but I have seen Brease in thoses kind of drills and the man never misses. In short, unfortunately,I think we have seen who Freeman is. I hope 2nd year in the system will make a difference but I believe if we are going to be much better than last year, it’s going to take the whole team to be better. There just seems to be a gap in Freemans game that is not going away. I truly hope I am wrong. Glennon might not be in a position to start this year but he does seem to have a smoothness in his game that is intriguing but for now He is not going to make Freeman sweat.
July 28th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
I guess any “chatter” last year about Colin and Russell Wilson was stupid too, right Joe? And the niners and seahawks had existing QB’s that weren’t mental midgets like Free.
July 28th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
freeman is like deburg plays just well enough to get u beat
July 28th, 2013 at 8:44 pm
I remember a time long ago when some Buc fans
thought that the idea of untested rookie Doug Martin
replacing Legarette Blount was pure blasphemy.
But Coach has a vision…he identifies, tutors and molds “his guys”
and it happens fast.
I ain’t sayin’ nuthin’.
(which means I am saying something)
July 28th, 2013 at 9:51 pm
@mpmalloy …I can remember after the draft people were saying it was going to be a 2 back run attack with Blount and Martin sharing the load. I laughed at the notion. Seriously I did. I knew Martin was going to be good, and I predicted better than Richardson. I just never envisioned him being THIS good. Sorry good is an understatement and not fair to Dougie. Great would be a better word. OMG pre-season hurry up and get here I can’t take it anymore. 11 MORE days it’s almost here.
July 29th, 2013 at 5:45 am
I’m disappointed in you guys. I really thought someone would declare Glennon superior to Freeman due to the golf cart target challenge. The Joes must sit back and laugh their butts off at the banter the mere mention of Josh Freeman causes. Ah the life of a backup QB is a sweet gig.