Very Sour On Mike Glennon
June 14th, 2013
Beat writer Rick Stroud has harsh grades for Glennon
Veteran Tampa Bay Times beat writer Rick Stroud — using a variety of voices/impressions — went off on rookie quarterback Mike Glennon during his Sports Page radio show on WDAE-AM 620 yesterday.
Stroud documented Glennon’s lousy day on Wednesday, including the fumbled snap that drew Greg Schiano’s ire, and Stroud talked about how down he his on the Bucs’ third-round pick.
“It’s a joke to think that this guy’s going to compete with anybody this year,” Stroud said. “Maybe at some point he becomes your No. 2, but I would think that if something happens Week 1, that Dan Orlovsky better be the guy in the game.”
Yes, Stroud’s being a little harsh, especially considering Glennon might look a lot better during live August action, and, you know, after he’s had more than seven weeks with the playbook.
But Glennon’s lack of readiness is no big surprise. This week, Joe asked rockstar general manager Mark Dominik about carrying three QBs this season, and Dominik was very clear the Bucs are “leaning” in that direction. (You can catch Stroud’s complete audio below.)
June 14th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
He fumbled the exchange from center. He doesn’t need the playbook to get that right. I’m down on the kid as well, however in all fairness all QBs fumbled snaps from time to time.
The kid is likely still nervous. He’ll get over it. He probably still won’t become more than a backup in my opinion though.
June 14th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
It is absurd to expect anything but a struggle for Glennon. The NFL is an entirely new game – and it is going to take time. Freeman is still growing and learning after 4 years. We need to be patient with Josh – it is going to pay off big time. He is still a relative baby – and I think in his second year in Sully’s system he will take a giant leap.
June 14th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
…oh boy…
June 14th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
Waste of a 3rd rounder….unless they really expect him to start next year, and that would be a scary thought. Even if he develops and we trade him, we will get a 3rd at best. Would much rather have hired a veteran for insurance/competition.
June 14th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
Glennon will be fine as long as he is riding the bench for the games that matter. If they do keep three quarterbacks then Glennon will probably be the last to go in unless it is a situation where we are resting starters. (ie, big lead or locked up playoff birth. Then they send Glennon in to get reps.)
I am not saying Glennon can’t develop into a starter. It is just, statistically speaking, VERY unlikely.
@snowman
Have you seen the going rate for QBs who can connect a few passes in a game or two? Kevin Kolb? Carson Palmer? Matt Flynn? Matt Cassel? Quarterbacks are so highly coveted in this league that teams will blindly give away first round picks for QBs that even look marginally good.
June 14th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
I kinda feel like we wasted a 3rd rounder on him. I like Freeman and think hes our best shot for the next few years. But Glennon is a rookie. Even the best can fumble a snap. So im not gonna blast him over something like that.
June 14th, 2013 at 4:59 pm
To further show the extent to which teams will go to acquire a legitimate quarterback, just look at the Redskins. The favorite GM of some commenter’s here, Bruce Allen, traded THREE first round picks AND a second round pick to select A ROOKIE. Regardless of how good Bob Griffin III turns out they still took a MASSIVE risk on an unproven player. That trade will set that franchise back for years if Bob is anything less than an All-Pro quarterback.
Teams will go to great lengths to acquire a potential franchise quarterback. This is why I think spending a third round pick on a quarterback was a great investment. Its a low salary, low risk move that has a reasonable chance of bringing in a major payday in terms of draft pick compensation down the road.
June 14th, 2013 at 5:23 pm
Just as a comparison Trent Dilfer was drafted 1994 (19 years ago I can’t believe it either) 6th over all, he only started 2 games his rookie year, he didn’t have a good season until 1997, and he was solid ’97 until he got hurt in ’99 and won a Superbowl in 2000 (yes, all of the teams the he was good with were teams built around defense, and his primary task was to not lose games).
My point here, in less than 20 years we’ve gone from giving a #6 overall draft pick 4 years to develop to now a 3rd rounder is expected to light up OTA’s and Minicamp, and be better than Freeman a 1st rounder (17th overall) that’s heading into his 5th year (still only 25 years old), oh-by-the-way, Freeman’s already had 2 really good seasons in his career. Oh yeah, Drew Brees didn’t have a good year until his 4th season as well.
But damn Mike Glennon for having bad Rookie Camp, and Mini-camp…what a waste of a draft pick…
June 14th, 2013 at 5:29 pm
As Allen Iverson once said, “We talkin’ ’bout practice!”
June 14th, 2013 at 5:48 pm
We’ll get to see a lot of reps from him in preseason. It’s a little early to say he won’t get it. Time will tell.
June 14th, 2013 at 5:51 pm
Oh, a rookie in “early weeks of practice” isnt allowed to make a mistake or 2 or 3 or 4. We’ll see how he progresses as the year unfolds. He’s probably never going to get on the field this year anyway. Im hoping Freeman lights it up this year.
June 14th, 2013 at 5:51 pm
The only joke here is Rick’s opinion based on one mini camp practice… lol why would any of you or him be down on any rookie this early in there career? Especially a QB whos had less than 2 months to absord the system and verbage.. but yet you are the same ones who keeps making excuses for our 5th year QB
June 14th, 2013 at 5:58 pm
@Stroud
DEE, DEE DEE!!!
Thank you for being so insightful..
June 14th, 2013 at 5:58 pm
Too early to judge the kid obviously, but the 3rd round pick should’ve been used for our defense, not for a guy that’s just gonna hold a clipboard all season.
June 14th, 2013 at 6:18 pm
Bucs would have been much better served to give this years 3rd to the Jets and have completed the Revis deal.
June 14th, 2013 at 6:41 pm
I agree with other comments, it’s absurd to evaluate a rookies ability based on a couple mistakes in one mini-camp performance! We will have a much better opportunity to evaluate his progress and ability in the preseason games.
June 14th, 2013 at 6:42 pm
Hmmm, a rook fumbles some snaps in mini camp and the sky is falling! A blown 3rd round pick! Disaster!
Meanwhile first round miracle and franchise savior Freeman goes on 10 and 5 game skids the last two seasons and he’s still “developing”
After watching him against Philly and St Louis, many thought he should have been benched.
But there was no one to turn to.
The Bucs had no viable option.
And the staff says “no mas”
Can someone please name all the huge mistakes the Bucs have made regarding personnel in the last two years?
Seems like they’ve done a pretty solid job with both FA’s and last years draft class.
They had little choice folks. You can’t rip the FO for not trusting their instincts.
June 14th, 2013 at 6:56 pm
WestCoastBucsFan Says:
“Teams will go to great lengths to acquire a potential franchise quarterback. This is why I think spending a third round pick on a quarterback was a great investment.”
While I agree overall, I think timing is everything. One, you don’t draft a backup when you need a starter at another position…which the Bucs did with Glennon. Second, the choice of QBs this year were not good. None of them were. With Freeman in a contract year it would have been better to improve the veteran QB backup presence and choose a new QB next year IF NEEDED.
June 14th, 2013 at 6:58 pm
In the age of fantasy football, people have lost their freaking minds. Bitching about a rookie four days into his career, give me a break.
I’m sorry, no offense Joe, but the media has turned the game of football into a soap opera. It is so much less about football anymore and more about stirring up controversy.
June 14th, 2013 at 6:58 pm
Yawn. It’s June for God’s sake! Non story ’cause it’s Rick being Rick.
June 14th, 2013 at 7:16 pm
@BuccaneerBonzai
Possibly but if the Bucs flip him for a first in three years and we missed out on an average DT in the process then it was probably worth it. Roy Miller would not have been allowed to leave if that NT spot was really a crucial part of the defense. I imagine that position is quite interchangeable.
I think once they got Banks in the second they just went into BPA mode. Glennon fell further than expected so they nabbed him.
I would be interested to see how any of the DTs drafted between the Glennon pick and the Spence pick turn out. If no real stars emerge then it is probably a wash until if/when Glennon is traded or becomes a legitimate starter. If Glennon garners a first rounder in the future then it is probably worth it.
I don’t think drafting a QB in the third was the greatest move. I just don’t think it was a bad one. It has the potential to pay out big time down the road for relatively low risk now.
June 14th, 2013 at 7:27 pm
BuccaneerBonzai,
At what other position do you need a starter? Please don’t say TE or SLB, because those are TE most non-essential positions of the Bucs offense and defense. I’m also not quite ready to write off Stocker just yet. This is only his 3rd year and he’s had some injuries. Let him prove he can handle it this year. Crabtree’s also an unknown. Let them battle in camp and preseason and see who comes out on top. SLB only plays something like 40% of the snaps and Casillas and Watson I believe are capable. If not, good players are always cut for cap reasons at the 53 man finals, so that could be an option. A 3rd round rookie QB to develop, especially with the new rookie scale, makes sense.
June 14th, 2013 at 7:38 pm
@Tampamac
I’m not sure but I assumed he was talking about a DT. It is my understanding that some believe there was quite a few talented DTs on the board when Glennon was selected.
June 14th, 2013 at 8:44 pm
Stroud is smoking the drapes. I actually like the pic
June 14th, 2013 at 9:37 pm
Westcoast,
A lot of the DT’s left at that time were under tackles like GMC or 350 LB 3-4 noseguards. I believe Spence fit what they were looking for him to do- Use his strength to eat up the double team and make a play here and there if he can get penetration. Had they used a 2nd rounder on Glennon I’d be a bit peeved, but a QB in the 3rd with significant upside I’m ok with.
June 14th, 2013 at 10:15 pm
gotbbucs:
And the NFL loves it! The NFL wants people talking NFL 24/7/365.
June 14th, 2013 at 10:21 pm
What has Stroud ever been right about?
June 14th, 2013 at 11:42 pm
All I’ve heard for two years is, Josh is still young, he’s only 24, he is just getting used to the play book, every body makes mistakes, there was a miscommunication . This diatribe by Stroud is just a crock of Sh!t !! Him and others just try to build Freeman up because they know him best and they feel sorry for him getting rassed by the Buc fans who are tired of the old worn out excuses. All I say is let’s just see as the summer progresses and then throw crap Glennon’s way if he deserves it, untill then STFU.
June 14th, 2013 at 11:47 pm
Rick Stroud is darn near as pitiful as Shaun King. How in the heck can you have an opinion of a kid when training camp hasn’t even started?? Some things are just beyond stupid and when Stroud opens his mouth you can expect to hear idiocy spewed into a microphone. The only thing worse are his articles and voice impersonations. Give Glennon a little time to get used to the NFL and the timing with his center. He’ll develop into a good backup QB. Heck, he’s already a better QB than Stroud is a writer or sportscaster.
June 14th, 2013 at 11:53 pm
How DARE he belittle our future Hall of Fame franchise QB of the future before he’s had a chance to win the job from Freeman fair and square by week 4. To think, he actually believes our 3rd round QB has 3rd round TALENT!!! Ouch, Stroud is just mean.
June 14th, 2013 at 11:56 pm
I still think this kid is going to be a starter in this league one day. all he needs is time on the bench (maybe a couple of years) to fully realize his potential. no need to slam him this early in the game.
June 15th, 2013 at 5:49 am
I don’t know about sports writers and radio personalities being able to have instant success after only a few days on the job. But if they are like the rest of us; starting a new job can be a little nerve-wracking for a young man trying to learn and impress at the same time. Not knowing how to operate the copy machine and parking in the boss’ spot are expected. To come on the radio and use impressions to try to humiliate our rookie QB is a little childish on Stroud’s part. Bet he dropped his pen and mic a few times early on in his career. Don’t we need to move on from debating the worthiness of drafting Glennon in the first place? None of us, including Stroud, can at this point, know if it was a mistake or not. Many questioned the rationale when we drafted Shaun King in the second round. As Nancy Kerrigan would say, “Whyyyyyyyy? Whyyyyyyyy?
June 15th, 2013 at 11:58 am
These two talkshow hosts are freaking clowns. Glennon is a rookie. How many rookies come out in their first mini camp and absolutley light it up? It’s called nerves and growing pains.
Glennon will be fine. These two clowns laugh about Glennon. However, Josh keeps making those “HOMER SIMPSON DOH!” decisions daily. Guess what? He’s a 5th year vet. I mean, QBs with a rocket attached to hte shoulder shouldnt be throwing at the feet of WRs 10 yards away am I right?
June 15th, 2013 at 12:12 pm
@Andrew1
I concur
June 15th, 2013 at 5:26 pm
Mike Glennon was so overrated in college and was a horrible pick for the bucs in the 3rd round. He got drafted strictly because of his height and arm strength. His NC State days were so AVERAGE! To think this guy is going to come in and threaten anyone (even Freeman) for a job is a joke. Being a Buc fan, I hope I am wrong about the guy, but from what I have seen of him, he will not amount to much.
June 16th, 2013 at 12:10 am
^^^^ IHO 😉
June 16th, 2013 at 12:50 am
Stroud is right. So was I . A wasted pick. This guy might someday be an adequate backup. But next years QB class is soooo much better.
And to all of you , who two weeks ago were pronouncing Glennon a starter this season– you are still clueless idiots.
June 17th, 2013 at 1:08 am
lol Where’d you get the crystal ball???
I want one too..