Where Glennon Needs Work
May 18th, 2013
Some think Joe is fueling the drama/controversy/perceived competition surrounding Josh Freeman and rookie Mike Glennon.
Actually, Joe is doing what he always does, delivering what Joe finds interesting. And what Glennon may or may not have to offer once the pads come on in July is interesting, especially since rockstar general manager Mark Dominik confirmed that Glennon will have a huge workload come August.
Glennon joined Movin’ The Chains on SiriusXM NFL Radio on Thursday and was asked to explain where he needs work by co-host Tim Ryan.
“Right now, I mean obviously, it’s about learning this new system,” Glennon said. “That’s the No. 1 thing on my mind right now is to learn our system and what we’re trying to accomplish as an offense. And then once I’m able to do that, when it comes to the football side of execution, I think I just need to continue to get more accurate, to be more consistent, and then finally develop more foot speed and my overall athletic ability.”
It was interesting to Joe that Glennon mentioned improving his athleticism. Glennon is no young rookie; he’ll turn 24 during this season. Of course, he can improve his physical ability, but Joe’s not sure how much is realistic unless Glennon was in a situation at North Carolina State where he wasn’t focusing on it.
Regardless, Glennon is not the athlete Freeman is. It feels like ancient history, but there was a time (2010) when Freeman was the league’s No. 2 rusher at QB and a guy who could win a game with his body.
May 18th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
Glennon looks like a nice back up, that’s about it though.
May 18th, 2013 at 12:33 pm
QBs dont need to be athletic to be good at what they do. I wouldn’t call Peyton or Brady athletic QBs. Nor Montana or Marino. But they were extremely intelligent, tough warriors who understand how to play the game.
May 18th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
@Couch
I’m so glad you ended that comment where you did, instead of going on to compare Glennon to those QBs. That would’ve been stupid
May 18th, 2013 at 12:48 pm
I see it as a fairly simple equation…
Glennon beats out JF and a chance is birthed that the Bucs may have finally found a quality QB.
Glennon doesn’t beat out JF and the Bucs still don’t have a quality QB.
Until preseason starts it is all speculation!
May 18th, 2013 at 12:49 pm
Freeman needs to run. For some reason he has been held back & I don’t think it has been his choice. I suspect that they didn’t want to risk getting him hurt. But now…with Glennon, they will let Josh loose. The good thing fot Freeman and the Bucs is when that happens you can best believe that Josh Freeman will be a much better Quarterback. Taking the scramble option away from him severely limits his game and he forces throws. He has got to be quicker at this reduced weight. Let him run, Coach!!!
May 18th, 2013 at 12:57 pm
Well, for one, he can spend a lot more time on football now than he did when he was in college.
He needs to be the starter Week 1. We’d have a lot better chance of winning this season if he starts early.
As for Freeman’s rushing days… those are over. He’d rather just stand there now and take a sack. Or force a throw somewhere. In my opinion, Greg Olson ruined Josh Freeman.
May 18th, 2013 at 1:03 pm
Starting Glennon Week 1 is how you ruin a team with high hopes and get everyone fired.
May 18th, 2013 at 1:10 pm
joe said: “but there was a time (2010) when Freeman was the league’s No. 2 rusher at QB and a guy who could win a game with his body.”
but that was 40 lbs ago.
May 18th, 2013 at 1:15 pm
Manning Brady Montana and Marino not good athletes?
May 18th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
I did not say they werent good athletes. I said they arent very athletic. Big difference. Regardless they were great football players.
Just out of curiousity how does one go about improving there athletic ability? I thought it was something you were born with or without.
May 18th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
260 pound chunky body is a better athletically than 245 lean one, really?
May 18th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
Freeman used to run because he didn’t go through his progressions. Now he at least tries to get through his progressions, leading to holding on to the ball longer and not running. it’s pretty simple. In 2010 a large portion of his ‘good play’ was when the play broke down with him scrambling. Apparently the play never really broke down, he was just young and panicked. Now, which one was more effective? Good question.
May 18th, 2013 at 2:03 pm
@tampabaybucfan
Amen Brother!! I didn’t have to say a word, you said it all for me. 🙂
May 18th, 2013 at 2:05 pm
I’m sure he wasn’t focused as much on football then as he will be now which means much more time to improve on weak areas. When he graduated he got both his BA and MA degrees at the same time, that’s quite an accomplishment when you consider the less time he had for studying due to playing football.
May 18th, 2013 at 2:10 pm
@JoeBuc,
I do not see any problem with you reporting reality. The Bucs are intrigued by Glennon. Not sure I agree with them, but they must determine if he has the upside they calculated when they took him in rd 3. Unfortunately, the reality is that we have a slight QB controversy.
May 18th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
@Coach Fan
You can improve your athletism through further training. Just like a boxer or martial artist trains foot work, hand work and stamina. Mike G. took his masters and bachelors at the same time. Im sure his limited time due to studies also limited his time in the gym training. Kid looks more and more promising all the time. He got brains and height and can easily put on more weight.
I’m slowly swinging in favor of this pick. I them to get a D lineman in the 3rd. Glennon was definitely not a bad choice though.
May 18th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
There is no controversy. It is clear that Freeman is the starter going into the season. Now if he starts to stink it up… then there may be a controversy, but not yet.
May 18th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
Freeman is definitely the starter. Glennon is insurance and they will groom him to start in 2014 IF Freeman has a bad year. I would not expect Glennon to get any playing time this year unless Freeman gets injured or is just pathetic to the point where they have no choice but to try Glennon. I don’t see Glennon winning the starting job in pre-season. That’s just silly. Freeman has the chemistry with these receivers and he has shown he has elite potential. He just needs to sustain that ability from week to week. If he doesn’t develop consistency then Schiano will go to Glennon next year.
May 18th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
@TONY….
You may be right about the Freeman panic/run….I like it a lot better than the Freeman panic/pass.
I really like it when Freeman runs. I think it screws opponents defenses up. They are sitting back looking for either the run up the gut or the play action long pass. Freeman rolling out….pump fake and tuck and run just once in a while will produce big yardage.
There is a reason why he was second only to Mike Vick….he actually can run well. And, he is usually wide open because its not expected.
Tell Josh….go ahead and run… if you get hurt…we now have backup.
May 18th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
We didn’t draft Glennon in the 3rd to have a backup. If Freeman loses us more than a few games in a row and we get a couple games away from missing the playoffs we’re definitely putting Glennon in in an attempt to keep us alive and if that happens bye bye Freeman. Make it or break it time, Free. I hope you make it man!
May 18th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
Obviously, with a GM who is allegedly a “rock star”, this guy is a super star in the making. I mean, he’s only drafted one other QB, and look how good he is.
May 18th, 2013 at 4:12 pm
Dan
Thanks for that classy remark, that really adds to the discussion, you should be proud.
May 18th, 2013 at 4:13 pm
I keep hearing that we didn’t spend a 3rd round pick on a backp QB. Well, I’d be happy if Glennon is simply a backup and I don’t think it would be a wasted pick like some of our 2nd and 3rd round busts of late….how about Dexter Jackson, Sabby, Gaines Adams, Brian Price, Marquise Cooper, Areilous Benn, Myron Lewis & Maurice Stovall.
Glennon as a backup will get us a better Josh Freeman and a cheaper Josh Freeman when we negotiate his next contract. Now we have the option of saying “bye, bye”.
May 18th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
Except we did draft Glennon to be a backup and if we’re a couple of games away from the playoffs, then Freeman isn’t doing too badly out there.
May 18th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
@tampabaybucfan
No, Glennon gives us nothing against Freeman when contract time comes. He either deserves a contract or doesn’t. Quarterbacks on other teams will have more affect on Freeman’s contract numbers than Glennon does. Also, Glennon is worse Freeman at this point than anything since Glennon doesn’t have Freeman’s escape.
May 18th, 2013 at 5:28 pm
@ Freeman
All circumstances affect contracts. The Bucs having a good option other than Freeman will make the Bucs much less inclined to pay heavily. Even if Freeman does well it is likely we will sign him for less because of Glennon. Even a couple of million a year on a 5 or 6 year deal adds up.
Sure other teams may want him and that is where the money matters. I think we drafted Glennon for insurance. 1. If Freeman goes down. 2. If Freeman performs poorly. 3. If Freeman performs well. (Better contract negotiations) and Glennon is still a future backup. Anyway….great use of a 3rd round pick at this stage.
May 18th, 2013 at 5:29 pm
@ Stranger…..oops!
May 18th, 2013 at 5:36 pm
I see the Glennon selection exposing the gamble of hiring Schiano
(a college coach without a true connection to NFL coaches or coaching)
Josh Freeman “Does Learn”…….He has gained the experience of success and failure by now. I say Freeman steps up his consistancy and another year with his weapons and familiarity with the Offensive System will allow Freeman to wind up Holding Out at seasons end after a stellar 2013. The Bucs will regret not resigning him before his contract ended and not Selecting a quality Defensive player with this Glennon pick and had used a much later pick to scoop up a “”BACK UP QB””
May 18th, 2013 at 6:06 pm
Braheem,
How does a free agent “hold out”?
May 18th, 2013 at 6:47 pm
The guy got his masters degree in 4 freaking years. That my friends is impressive on all fronts.
May 18th, 2013 at 6:53 pm
I really don’t think there’s a competition here. If Mike Glennon thinks he’s beating out Josh Freeman, he’s in for a rude awakening. I’ll admit I don’t know much about him, but I just don’t see a 3rd round QB of a weak QB class really being a threat to Josh. Honestly, I probably wouldn’t trade him for any of the QBs in this year’s rookie class. Maybe Geno Smith would be able to give Josh a run for his money, but he’s still just not nearly the athlete that Josh is.
Bringing Glennon in seems like a logical move, as competition brings out the best in us. But unless Josh tanks this season (which I can’t see happening considering the quality of weapons around him this year), there is no quarterback controversy.
People keep saying Glennon is there in case Freeman is the next Sanchez. I think the next RGIII is a better comparison (although he’s obviously not nearly as fast).
May 18th, 2013 at 7:08 pm
It is quite evident that few if any listened to Freeman’s Radio Shows last year. I ask him why he didn’t run more? Was someone holding him back? His answer was clear and short! He said he didn’t like to run the ball. If a quarterback doesn’t like to run the ball-he will not do it unless he’s running for his life. You deside, lazy or scared. Either Freeman puts his big boy pull ups on or this new kid (he’s only 24 – good enough for excuses for Freeman Glennon can use it also) is going to take his job away from him. Freeman has been told from the beginning he was the franchise quarterback so he didn’t have to win to keep his job. There’s a new Sheriff in town Josh. You got a pass last year but that’s in the past. I wonder what the book is on who will play quarterback this year here in Tampa?
May 18th, 2013 at 7:10 pm
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INGREDIENTS
6 crow breasts
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6 strips bacon
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DIRECTIONS:
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May 18th, 2013 at 7:25 pm
lightningbuc Says:
May 18th, 2013 at 6:06 pm
“Braheem,
How does a free agent “hold out”?”
Franchise tag.
May 18th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
@tampabaybucfan
It simply doesn’t work like that. It may work for RBs not named Adrian Peterson, but not QBs. If Freeman settles into the system and everyone believes he’s our Franchise QB, then you can’t show up to the negotiating table and say “Well, we have this guy who hasn’t played an NFL snap during the season, so we aren’t going to pay you what we should.” It’s far too hard to come across a proper QB to play that kind of game. Especially when you have high contracts on the roster.
May 18th, 2013 at 8:12 pm
I have a feeling(“Hope” could be more accurate) that J5 will continue to break Bucs records this upcoming season. If so, I will be back to gloat.
May 18th, 2013 at 8:17 pm
Can someone please explain to me how starting a rookie QB, in a complicated system, can save a failing season? A system that requires the QB and WRs to be on the same page because the receivers all basically run option routes. Did yall forget that this is the same system that Eli Manning ran when he lead the league in ints right before beating the almighty patriots in the Superbowl?..Twice? Dont let your hate for Freeman cloud rational judgement. #InFreeWeTrust Go Bucs!
May 18th, 2013 at 8:56 pm
When I see Glennon, I think of Larry Byrd. Big goofy doofy looking guy but he could sure play some ball.
May 18th, 2013 at 9:01 pm
@ Stranger
What you may not be considering is the possibility that Freeman will be neither fantastic or a bust. In that case Glennon’s affect on the contract negotiations could be substantial. The Bucs may be the only team truly interested in signing Freeman to a moderately large contract.
The Bucs are not going to rub Freemans face with Glennon, but Freeman & his agent knows he is there.
Of course, there would have to be some sign from Glennon (playing time) that would indicate he was an option.
May 18th, 2013 at 10:04 pm
In the new hands on deck one on one with Glennon, he looks almost exactly like Chris Simms
May 18th, 2013 at 10:18 pm
tampabaybucfan Says:
“What you may not be considering is the possibility that Freeman will be neither fantastic or a bust. In that case Glennon’s affect on the contract negotiations could be substantial. The Bucs may be the only team truly interested in signing Freeman to a moderately large contract.”
It’s worth discussing, but if Freeman plays well enough for a contract extension, it is likely that other teams will try to outbid us.
May 18th, 2013 at 10:19 pm
Couch Fan Says:
“In the new hands on deck one on one with Glennon, he looks almost exactly like Chris Simms”
I hope you don’t think that’s a good thing.
May 18th, 2013 at 10:21 pm
Dont think its a good or a bad thing. Just what he reminded me of.
May 18th, 2013 at 10:24 pm
@Couch Fan
Actually, I just went and watched the one-on-one on buccaneers.com. I wasn’t happy with what I saw. On almost all Glennon’s passes he threw just before taking a hit. He was lucky the opposing defenses were slow. That won’t be the case in the NFL.
While that won’t mean he’s a bust, it’s one sign there could be trouble ahead for him.
May 19th, 2013 at 12:14 am
y to outbid us.
BuccaneerBonzai Says:
May 18th, 2013 at 10:19 pm
Couch Fan Says:
“In the new hands on deck one on one with Glennon, he looks almost exactly like Chris Simms”
I hope you don’t think that’s a good thing.
I think it’s accurate. Who’s to say Glennon isn’t even the next Chris Simms? He does kinda look like him. Not like he’ll be anything more than a backup for us.
May 19th, 2013 at 12:27 am
The fact that we have a conversation about a guy we havent even seen yet is a nice thing by itself. I don’t recall any of us having wet dreams for Orlovsky. Anybody remember the worst play Ive ever seen from a QB. Orlovsky stepping on the back line of the end zone for a safety when he used to play for Detroit.
Anyway, lets at least give this guy a fair shot. Ive seen some people excited about him and others already writing him off even as a backup. Despite the coaching staff being openly impressed with him during early camp? I, for one, am excited. For one thing, he is tall as crap. I mean he’s 2 inches bigger than Free. He needs to bulk up though. That said, preseason will lead us to a glimpse of his capabilities and how far he could go. It still puts Josh on notice.
I remember a few weeks ago maybe even longer, Joe wrote about how maybe Freeman does better with less job pressure. One of the defining problems with Josh has been his ability to rise to the occasion. If the threat of competition doesn’t bring out the best in #5, then its time to move on.
May 19th, 2013 at 2:06 am
I say let them compete for the starting position and may the best man win. Let us remember that Freeman took someone else’s job away from them and one day sooner or later he will have his job taken by someone else. This is Freeman’s most important year of his football career, if its good-big big dollars, if its bad its relegated to a backup and commencerit money. One thing for sure, whoever wins the gig, they are out to play some kind of football this year. Translation: we fans will all win as a result.
May 19th, 2013 at 2:23 am
@ Vic
they may say Josh Freeman is the started, but theoretically I think they are going to compete with each other for the starting gig. the only thing is I think Freeman will win by a land slide because he has something important that Glennon does not… experience. after that its up to Freeman to hold on to the starting role by the way he plays during the season. hopefully he can.
May 19th, 2013 at 6:28 am
I can already see that it’s going to be brutal sitting in the stands this season. Not only will I be subjected to the one dumb ass/one football expert pair wearing the opponents colors behind me commenting on every play; I will now have to be surrounded by the collection of QB naysayers waiting for any semblance of imperfect QB play from # 5 to begin the “Glen………..non” chant. Then when the youngster looks mortal, start bellowing “Free……….man.”
May 19th, 2013 at 9:27 am
@scubog
My thoughts exactly.
May 19th, 2013 at 9:59 am
@Scubog,
This fan will be yelling “Just Win!” no matter who is taking the snaps.
Freeman decides his own fate, it is all good. One way or another we should have consistent QB play all year long.
May 19th, 2013 at 10:05 am
Anyone calling “bust” for Glennon right now has a sh!tty outlook on this team.
May the Bucs make the playoffs in 2013! May the Bucs develop one of the strongest rosters in the NFL. I hope we have Freeman and Glennon, both as starting material.
I hope Steven Means comes in and makes a difference, same for Gholston at DE.
Why wouldn’t we want to have the best team possible?
Everyone that is bashing Glennon is coming across like an insecure Freeman enthusiast. Look, Freeman has earned a little bit of a controversy, but he is going to be our starter going into the season. Freeman decides his own fate, in a contract year too.
Why not root for every Buc to be the best, and compete at their position?
May 19th, 2013 at 10:54 am
I was lucky enough to get a chance to speak with a NC State athletics booster who bought a class a motorhome from camping world where I work. I asked him about Glennon as a QB he told me that Glennon is Very intelligent, he has a great arm and loves to play football. He said that he never had a very good oline his entire time at NC State. He thinks with a good oline there is nothing he can not do.
Then he asked me how I am a buccaneer fan in the same area that the falcons complex is located. I told him that I have been a buccaneer fan since we moved to St. Petersburg in 1975 and we went to several games during 76-80 when we moved farther south to Bonita springs. So me moving around in my life never has changed my fandom for the buccaneers. Even when life took me to North Carolinia for 10 years and I went to watch the buccaneers and panthers play. He asked me if I was a NC State fan. I told him NO I am Georgia Bulldogs fan.
Go Bucs! Go Dawgs!
May 19th, 2013 at 11:01 am
He did say that Glennon has similar skills to another NC State alumni who is also a starting NFL QB Philip Rivers of the chargers. Not a bad comparison if Glennon can produce like Rivers.