Dominik Puts Bucs Career On The Line
April 21st, 2013
Joe doesn’t care who the NFL general manager is. If a GM is going to trade a first-round pick for a cornerback recovering from knee surgery, and pay said player an unprecedented pile of cash, that executive has put his career on the line.
It’s just that simple.
News broke this morning that rockstar general manager Mark Dominik has done just that, with he and the Jets finally agreeing to some sort of terms of a deal that includes the Bucs’ 2013 first round pick and more, so reported BSPN.
No, Dominik is not married to Josh Freeman or Gerald McCoy. He’s now wedded to Revis, and the wedding cost a bundle, like one of those wine-snob, black-tie deals at the Don Cesar Hotel.
Revis must make a massive impact, more than, say, signing the top two corners on the market this offseason and holding on to draft picks — and still having money to spare.
Good luck, Rockstar. Team Glazer said it will think “short term” when you think “short term,” and this Revis trade is a clear cut short-term move.
April 21st, 2013 at 1:09 pm
Joe stop hatin on revis. Bucs just got put on the map this offseason will be great. No rookie corner and your theory of rookie corner will come in and accomplish half of what revis can.
April 21st, 2013 at 1:14 pm
Unless the owners are pushing it.
April 21st, 2013 at 1:14 pm
I’d say IMO it’s going to be a nice longterm marriage. 😉
April 21st, 2013 at 1:15 pm
I am willing to take that chance. How many first rounder’s end up as a BUST or journeyman. I understand it’s a ton of money, but at this point, why not. you just got the BEST in the business, most of which never hit the market.
April 21st, 2013 at 1:20 pm
Can’t really judge the trade until full compensation is known. This trade can be amazing or crippling. I’m worried we may give too much.
April 21st, 2013 at 1:20 pm
I disagree fully Joe. Revis will be a big part of the season and future for the Bucs no doubt. But this doesnt change anything about who Dom is wed to. If Free comes out this year and stinks it up again. Dom and Free will both be gone. If anything Dom is now wed to both players, not just Revis. Free is much more critical to this teams success. He’s the QB, much more important than a CB, no matter how good the CB is…. this is just a silly article.
April 21st, 2013 at 1:22 pm
Joe,
I am a big fan but what took you so long to report this? It has been on ESPN and the sorry Pewter Report for hours????
This post has nothing to do with reporting news. Also, Joe doesn’t grade himself, or expect others to, on being first, second or third or fourth to a story. This isn’t a 20th century newspaper. –Joe
April 21st, 2013 at 1:23 pm
The exception of course is if the Revised trade was sent down from the Glazers.
April 21st, 2013 at 1:25 pm
Or he has saved his career! As I recall from this very website, the Glazers have fully endorsed this transaction, even putting the Bucs case in front of Woody Johnson at the Owner’s meeting.
But that not the story here today! As I opined last night, this deal is going to happen pending the outcome of the physical which I expect Revis to pass. I think the compensation will parallel the Harvin trade which was a 2013 1st and 7th and a 2014 3rd. In the Bucs case, I think it will be the 1st pick, a 5th or 6th round pick and a 2014 conditional 3rd round pick because of Revis’ injury.
I would expect the deal to be done by Thursday but may not be announced until the 13th pick is called to heighten the drama.
Since this is an opinion forum, I will further opine that once this deal is done, the Bucs will be more active in a 2nd FA that always occurs following the draft!
April 21st, 2013 at 1:25 pm
Revis not revised.
April 21st, 2013 at 1:26 pm
To many moving parts >> I wouldn’t do it, look if we more of a d line and a championship caliber qb I would say yes but it is to much to soon. we arent ready for this piece to the puzzle.
April 21st, 2013 at 1:26 pm
While I hope this works out, if you all don’t think this deal was Glazer-driven, you are out of your mind. I don’t for one second believe that this is something Mark Dominik pushed as much as he was pushed into.
He’s 24-40 as a GM and he’s certainly accountable for that (although last year was the first year he could apparently spend money in free agency). This looks nothing like anything he’s done before. Please recall the way he proceeded free agency-wise with Carl Nicks, Vincent Jackson and Goldson: Quickly, efficiently and to the point. Not a drawn-out drama-fest..essentially bidding against himself.
This smacks of how the Glazers got Gruden: 11th hour..dead of the night and paid whatever Al Davis asked for. It worked out and we have a Lombardi trophy. The pessimist in me doubts Revis, if healthy and at the top of his game, can yield the same return.
April 21st, 2013 at 1:26 pm
We don’t know what deal is in place…mayb Dom really is a rockstar and was able to keep this years first and give up mayb a 2,3, or 4th rounder and then next years first.
No one else is going after revis because no one can afford him…he doesn’t care at 27 years old about playing on a San Francisco or New England or Denver, he wants money.we got it…also helps that he has ties to our organization
Our biggest need bar none is quarterback, now we get the best since Deion and Champ in his prime and its a mistake?
April 21st, 2013 at 1:26 pm
just saw that the RT cut from the Chiefs, Eric Winston
is still out there and available for about $4million a year
Add him and finish with a good draft and Dominik will have had a great off season and no worries about our opinions.
Remember that the Bucs did similar with Keyshawn.
He was the Big Splash that everybody wondered where it came from and why we went all out for just that one piece.
April 21st, 2013 at 1:26 pm
The 13 pick on this years draft had low value, the jets got a reed on this deal. Now next years draft looks way better
April 21st, 2013 at 1:27 pm
Hope the rockstar knows what he’s doing. Never wanted to see this trade go down, but if we give up the first & say the fourth this year, we still may be able to trade up and get a good DT. We should be able to get one that’s better than Miller. This draft is deep at corner, so we take one in the third or fourth. That gives us some good young talent, and the best corner out there. Got to believe they know what they’re doing.
April 21st, 2013 at 1:27 pm
@Macabee
I could definately deal with that compensation. I dont mind giving up the 1st but not the 2nd or 3rd also… we need some quality picks to add some players to our team.
April 21st, 2013 at 1:27 pm
Joe I agree with your post that being said if the reports are accurate that the Glazers pushed for the deal I believe Donminik is safe. If Bucs make playoffs Dominik gets a big extension which obviously will piss of the dominik haters here especial Shawn “Buffet” King….
April 21st, 2013 at 1:30 pm
Joe…I think it’s the Glazers that are pushing this more than Dominik. They made splash trades before (ie: Keyshawn, Gruden). Those trades equaled a Super Bowl. We will wait and see what this results in down the line.
The fact is that the Bucs worst part of the team was the secondary. Yes the pass rush played into the equation. But the guys we had back there for the 2nd half of the season were plucked off the street. That doesn’t work in the pass-happy NFC South with the QBs we have to face 6 times a year.
Revis coming back to form from a knee injury is a risk. But rolling the dice on rookies is also a risk…perhaps even a bigger risk.
April 21st, 2013 at 1:31 pm
So the fact that their were reports out there saying the GLAZERS were pushing for this trade make DOMINIK at fault? If Percy Harvin goes for a first round and multiple picks… you dont think REVIS is worth that? And with 32.8 mil under the cap, why not go after the bar none best corner in football even on one leg?
April 21st, 2013 at 1:33 pm
Good riddance Disco Dom!!!
April 21st, 2013 at 1:40 pm
Fellas, just because there were some unsourced reports that Team Glazer was pushing for Revis means absolutely nothing.
There are also credible reports that Team Glazer has the utmost respect for Schiano.
So if we all want to play games and get inside the head of Team Glazer, then you could say the Glazers wouldn’t want to do anything that Schiano wasn’t pushing for. Oh, and then there’s the whole reality that the Glazers aren’t meddlers in personnel, by NFL standards.
All we know for sure is that Dominik is the GM and he’s making this deal. His neck is on the line. If you don’t believe that, then you’re not paying attention.
April 21st, 2013 at 1:45 pm
@Dylan – You’re nuts. Joe didn’t “hate on” Revis anywhere here.
April 21st, 2013 at 1:46 pm
Vincente,
You’re right! I read everybody’s post. There are an equal number of JBF posters suggesting a trade down for extra picks as there are folks suggesting a CB or DT which proves your point!
April 21st, 2013 at 1:46 pm
Dom is desperate for the playoffs. A unproven rookie cb is a risk a elite cb coming off a injury is less risky. Dom needs playoffs or he’s jobless. Now it’s time to win on the field.
April 21st, 2013 at 1:46 pm
I really don’t understand people bitching about this deal before the particulars are even revealed.
Our biggest need going into this offseason was our secondary. We signed Goldson, one of the best young safeties in the NFL, dropped Wrights contract down to peanuts, and now traded for what most consider to be the best corner in the NFL in the last decade. Plus, I’m assuming Barber will now come back and move back down to the slot where he thrives. Sooooo…what gives?
April 21st, 2013 at 1:49 pm
The Glazers only play fantasy football with coaches and QBs, not corners.
April 21st, 2013 at 2:01 pm
I don’t understand why everyone just sits back and takes what happens as the best possible resolution, assuming the powers-that-be are all knowing and will always make the best possible decision. There is a reason the Bucs haven’t been competitive honestly since we won the Super Bowl over ten years ago. It comes down to mix of poor drafting and free agency acquisitions. Sure the decision to sign v jax was a great one. But it was no act of managing genius, as we signed the top receiver to a boat ton of cash. But Eric wright for the money we paid, left everyone looking around asking what the hell. And sure enough, the genius play he tried to make proved foolish. So again we sit here hoping the powers-that-be are going to make the right decision. But having all the leverage during this whole situation, our GM is still giving up sooo dam much, this after placing so much importance on the draft following a less than fulfilling off season. Dom is all in on this move for his job, we have so sit back and hope it’s the right call for our favorite team. I’m worried were spending all this $ and giving up so much of the future for a guys job, using decision-making that has proven to be incorrect, when needed to be sharp…
April 21st, 2013 at 2:01 pm
Brian Costello
@BrianCoz
Nothing finalized yet but source says Jets will get Bucs’ 1st rd pick this year (13 overall), other picks probably will be in 2014. #NYJ
https://twitter.com/BrianCoz/status/326024653527187456
keep the 2014 #1 because it may be needed for a QB!!
April 21st, 2013 at 2:06 pm
In today’s tribune it talks about no Claiborne and his struggles as a rookie.also mentioned several Buc draft pics including Abraham and Kelly.look at how much Patrick Peterson struggled on defense.no corner as good as Claiborne or Peterson would fall to 13.and rookies rarely succeed at the cb position.hence why this move is being made and also why it makes the most sense.name any team that has confidence going against wright,barron,goldson, and revis! Us and the Seahawks would battle for the best secondary in the league
April 21st, 2013 at 2:09 pm
If we are thinking that we should keep our 2014 pic for a possible qb, then we already have given up…season over! Josh is our guy and josh us the one who will lead this team back to glory and along the way will break HIS buccaneer passing records
April 21st, 2013 at 2:10 pm
Wow, did the Jets make out great on this or what? They got 6 years of Revis in is prime and with a year left on his contract make a big salary dump and get a near top 10 pick along with a high 3rd rounder.
April 21st, 2013 at 2:12 pm
The funny thing is, it’s probably the Glazers who have pushed this deal. No reason to give up a first rounder for Revis, none. The Jets had little to no leverage, unless suitors were involved. We don’t for sure, but sounds like the Buccs were the lone wolf. A second and fourth rounder would of been fair for Revis considering Revis’ contract and the Jets need to unload him.
You can’t convince me we are a contender this year. Playoff team is much different than a contender. We still have too many holes to give up that many draft picks simply to be a playoff team.
April 21st, 2013 at 2:16 pm
We absolutely are a contender? What holes are those? Mayb at te or dt? Every team in the league has one or two positions they would love to improve but that the nfl…
April 21st, 2013 at 2:22 pm
Hope it’s not a 2014 1st rounder, we’re gonna need it for Johnny Football!
April 21st, 2013 at 2:23 pm
@feelthepewterpower
How in the world do you figure that the best corner in the NFL isn’t worth a 1st round pick. Revis’ future contract has absolutely nothing to do with his trade value. You haven’t paid much attention at all to trades over the years if you think a 2 and a 4 was going to get this done. If anything his knee should have driven the price down a little bit. Us being the only team trying to deal for him, not sure how you know that info for sure anyway, also doesn’t factor in. Value is percieved in a deal like this and everybody knew it was going to cost at the very least a 1st, just a matter of which year it came from.
And yes, we are contenders. With this secondary last year we would have been favored to go pretty deep in the playoffs.
April 21st, 2013 at 2:23 pm
We are not a contender until we prove it on the field. Last time I checked we had a average QB who chokes when we need him the most… until he proves otherwise, thats still a major concern and reason for us to not be contenders.
April 21st, 2013 at 2:25 pm
“Hope it’s not a 2014 1st rounder, we’re gonna need it for Johnny Football!”
Get out of here right now!!!
April 21st, 2013 at 2:27 pm
@Couch Fan
Joe Flacco vs. Colin Kaepernick
Was that the match-up you were expecting at the start of last year?
April 21st, 2013 at 2:31 pm
@Gotbbucs
Both of those guys played pretty well when it mattered most did they not?
My point exactly.
Free has done nothing but played well against bad teams and choked against every one else. Especially when it mattered most.
What exactly is your post trying to imply?
April 21st, 2013 at 2:34 pm
The dream team over in Philly was declared contenders to by everyone and there mama before taking a meaningful snapped… how did that work out for them? Only cost Reid his job at the end…
Just sayin Declaring us contenders right now is silly. Let’s see what happens when we put the pads on and play some games before labeling us contenders.
April 21st, 2013 at 2:34 pm
feelthepewterpower Says:
“You can’t convince me we are a contender this year. Playoff team is much different than a contender. We still have too many holes to give up that many draft picks simply to be a playoff team.”
Hold on now…wouldn’t it be prudent to see how we do in the draft and phase 2 of Free Agency…maybe even training camp?
Why is it that disagreeing with team moves means no longer believing in the team?
April 21st, 2013 at 2:38 pm
via rotoworld:
“The New York Post reports the No. 13 overall pick in this week’s draft will be included in the Darrelle Revis-to-Tampa trade.
Jets beat writer Brian Costello suspects the other picks in the trade — there’s believed to be two more — will fall in 2014. So the Bucs will be left with seven 2013 draft picks, beginning at No. 43. The Jets will have eight picks, including Nos. 9, 13, 39, 72, and 106 as GM John Idzik attempts to rebuild a roster that deteriorated in repulsively incredible fashion under ex-GM Mike Tannenbaum. Related: Buccaneers
Source: Brian Costello on Twitter Apr 21 – 1:48 PM”
April 21st, 2013 at 2:40 pm
@Lurker
If thats the case i would be thrilled, as long as none of the other pics are our 1st rounder for next year.
April 21st, 2013 at 2:41 pm
@ couch
My post implies that nobody knows anything right now. Right now almost any team could be a contender minus a few.
Flacco was questionable before last year and the league just hadn’t had time to break Kaepernick down yet. It’s still a crap shot right now, but it’s pretty obvious to me that we’ve improved on a team that was neck and neck with almost everybody last year.
April 21st, 2013 at 2:49 pm
Ignorant…How is josh not a finisher? Mayb mid game he struggles but not when we need him most.guy is top five in the league for 4th quarter comeback wins!
April 21st, 2013 at 2:51 pm
It’s professional football…every team is a contender.seahwaks last year and niners two years ago…no one expects us to be a contender but to say we aren’t is not only naive but wrong
April 21st, 2013 at 3:10 pm
@Got
No doubt we are better than last year. I’m not even gonna question that. All I’m saying is labeling us contenders right now… is silly. We are a 7 and 9 team that has made a lot of improvements. Will those improvements result in wins? Thats what we will have to wait and see.
@Djosh
It’s ignorant to imply a 7 and 9 team is a contender because of some off season moves. When we win some games then yes, then its time to call us contenders… I would say YOU are wrong. If thats the case then all 32 two teams are a contender which basically nullifies the term meaningless… wouldn’t you agree?
As far as Josh goes, you can think whatever you want. Dom is 24-40… Josh is 24-40. He’s a loser. Does he have a lot of come back wins? Yes… against bad teams. What about those good teams he’s play? Where are those come back wins? Far and few in between. He choked last year when we needed him most. Until he proves he can beat good teams, he wont be good enough. Keep riding his nuts… we’ll see how far that take us.
April 21st, 2013 at 3:15 pm
@couch
Touché…I see your point on the term and it makes total sense.i don’t think it was just the offseason moves that I feel make us a contender.it will be a full healthy team returning and the one missing piece, a great corner will now be here.10 wins got teams to the playoffs, so any playoff team is a contender. With revis last year we don’t lose the giants game, saints, or first falcon game.those three wins right there are the difference
April 21st, 2013 at 3:26 pm
@Djosh
Even though im not ready to call us a contender just yet, I will say I am expecting our defense to not only be much improved but hopefully it will be better than our offense. Theres no reason we cant win 10 games as you say. No reason AT ALL.
April 21st, 2013 at 3:29 pm
I think for the first time we agreed on something
April 21st, 2013 at 5:38 pm
Couch Fan Says:
“As far as Josh goes, you can think whatever you want. Dom is 24-40.”
Same as Rich McKay at the same point in his career except Dominick has one winning season, McKay did not.
Just an FYI.
April 21st, 2013 at 8:01 pm
If Bucs don’t make it to the playoffs it should cost Popstar his job.