Winslow Moving On — Again
March 25th, 2013
Former Bucs tight end Kellen Winslow may have been up Josh Freeman’s ass demanding the football, but he clearly isn’t as passionate about telling his wife they’re hiring a moving company.
Back in 2009, Winslow was a late arrival to the his new Bucs teammates because he was too busy fiddling with bubble-wrap, packing tape and Styrofoam peanuts. This morning, Winslow explained to NFL Network that he quit the Patriots after one game last season, in part, because he was too busy moving again.
In the interview (linked above), Winslow also explains his extreme passion for playing techno DJ, something that was more important to him than putting his “toes on the line” under the New Schiano Order.
The Raiders, Browns and Panthers, Winslow revealed, have all shown interest in his services for 2013.
It’s interesting that Oakland, with Benn’d around architect Greg Olson as their new offensive coordinator, is sniffing Winslow, but Joe would love to see Winslow land with Carolina. The thought of Winslow in the sights of Dashon Goldson or Mark Barron is making Joe’s day.
March 25th, 2013 at 5:03 pm
The Browns have already denied any interest in Winslow.
March 25th, 2013 at 5:14 pm
I still can’t believe that Mediocre Mark gave up a 2nd, 5th as well as a boat load of cash to this guy.
March 25th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
Classic “me” player, and chronically injured, at that.
Don’t forget, Dom made him the highest ever paid tight end, at the time.
March 25th, 2013 at 5:20 pm
According the mess his house was in a while back (and sued for it), he’s probably doing more than packing things up to move….he’s probably repairing holes in walls and other destroyed areas of the home.
March 25th, 2013 at 5:27 pm
Would LOVE to see him twice a year in a Panthers uniform.
March 25th, 2013 at 5:29 pm
i hope he goes to carolina, two definite P.I penalties a year and a unsportsmanlike penalty at least with the added bonus of our bad ass safeties lighting him up. please go to carolina!!!!!
March 25th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
Carolina would be great. It would give the refs a new team to hate other than the Bucs.
March 25th, 2013 at 5:43 pm
He was worth the daft pick for a few years and the Bucs got what they could out of him
but what a lazy loser
He could have been elite…. guess you have to want it as much as the talent level
March 25th, 2013 at 5:46 pm
DOM bashers here again. For 3 seasons he as fantastic for the leg he is on.
He was worth the 2nd rounder
March 25th, 2013 at 5:56 pm
Wasn’t Byron Leftwich his first QB here in Tampa? Nuff said
March 25th, 2013 at 5:59 pm
Joe, you’re not advocating that our safeties destroy the one-army soldier, are you?
March 25th, 2013 at 6:00 pm
Didn’t Win-slow marry Hope Solo? Oh wait….that was our other elite Tight End.
March 25th, 2013 at 6:06 pm
He should go to Washington to be back with Raheem.
March 25th, 2013 at 6:15 pm
One thing is for sure now. If the Bucs let you go, you’re days in the league are numbered.
March 25th, 2013 at 6:18 pm
Love the comments about him being “chronically injured”. The guy never missed a game as a Buccaneer. He was more than worth the second round pick. He was an instant producer on a terrible offense for three seasons.
Say what you will about his character but don’t make stuff up.
March 25th, 2013 at 6:20 pm
Also, yes. I hope he is a Panther this upcoming season.
March 25th, 2013 at 6:26 pm
Speaking as a long time UM fan…1965 in the stands at the Orange Bowl…Kellen is like dog shiit …one can never get off your shoe…….
March 25th, 2013 at 6:39 pm
He’s a virus
March 25th, 2013 at 6:41 pm
He was not worth a single draft pick. Why? Because we never made the playoffs with him. His tenure was irrelevant as a result.
Secondly, he stunted Freeman’s growth with he me, me, me demands. Imagine a Josh Freeman with the freedom to hit any WR he wanted vs forcing the ball to that selfish cancer of a TE that screamed for the ball.
March 25th, 2013 at 6:53 pm
QUIT THE PATRIOTS??????????????? BB blew hishoblin dj ass out of Foxboro
March 25th, 2013 at 7:20 pm
Winslow may carry baggage but his playmaking ability is undeniable.
I for one do not wish to see him twice a year. No thank you, especially with a chip on his shoulder. We already have enough beast TE’s in our division. No one can deny his production on the field, plain and simple.
March 25th, 2013 at 7:25 pm
He was about the only consistently productive thing on this horrific offense for three seasons lol.
So much so that Freeman became overly dependent on the man resulting in his predictability and turnovers.
March 25th, 2013 at 7:26 pm
I have never seen an apple that fell so far from the tree…
March 25th, 2013 at 7:50 pm
@westcoast
Good lord, did I once say anything about him missing games? I said he was chronically injured. The facts are that he was. He rarely practiced due to his knee. Same for training camp. That was a major problem. How can you learn an offensive system or build a rapport, when you play once or twice a week? Why do you think Schiano let him go? He was sat during practice due to his CHRONICALLY INJURED knee.
And how did he hurt said knee? Let’s see, was it trying to show the Cleveland Browns that he was worth the 6th overall pick (he held out almost two weeks of camp, btw), by offseason training?
Hell no, he was doing tricks on his motorcycle, in a parking lot. Yes, he was not only riding a bike (no, not risky at all for a pro athlete), but doing tricks. Selfish, you say?
And, he may have produced some numbers, but, not once, from Dom making him the highest paid TE in league HISTORY, did he produce like such. Prob not even top three for his time in TB. He also never stayed in Tampa for any offseason training. Of course, heading back to Cali and spinning techno are less important than living up to all that contract money right? Nahhhhhhhhhh.
Like I said, classic “me” player, and chronically injured.
March 25th, 2013 at 8:00 pm
This is why I am nervous about Revis……
Alvin Harper… et al….
this team is building
hopefully from
within…..
March 25th, 2013 at 8:09 pm
Honestly, when you look at the fact that in 7 seasons 5 of them he started every game without missing a single game your argument seems rather weak. IMO. Never once in TB did I hear of Winslow having trouble grasping the offensive system either.
You may not have mentioned him missing game but that really is the only thing that matters hence the reason it’s being mentioned lol
March 25th, 2013 at 8:13 pm
I take that back, Schiano traded him (notice I didn’t say Dom). It was Seattle and NE that released him.
Also, his rookie contract was also the biggest TE contract as well. So, TWICE, he was the highest paid EVER at his position.
Did he ever produce like it on the field?
Did he ever show the dedication bestowing either of those contracts in any offseason?
P.s. His Browns contract even literally stated he was not to ride a motorcycle and he tries to do tricks. Total selfish tool.
March 25th, 2013 at 8:17 pm
@pr
Productive enough to be the highest paid ever player in NFL history at his position?
Which season was that?
March 25th, 2013 at 8:28 pm
I’m not debating his contract lol
He was pretty much our only consistent production during a horrible offensive drought. He was as productive as any TE could have been within a horrible offense lol. Afterall defenses knew all they had to do was focus on him to stop what little production our offense had lol.
March 25th, 2013 at 8:40 pm
Right. Same with getting released from his last two teams? Could defenses focus on him in NE?
And washing out with Cleveland initially?
So, two trades and two releases.
I stand by initial comment: me player, chronically injured.
Never worth his Dominik contract or the trade that brought him to TB. (did the production he had result in much winning?)
Also never lived up to his rookie contract.
March 25th, 2013 at 8:43 pm
That has nothing to do with anything lol.
March 25th, 2013 at 8:44 pm
After Tampa =’s irrelavant
March 25th, 2013 at 8:45 pm
Ill agree to disagree with you. Nothing more to say here.
March 25th, 2013 at 9:18 pm
during his second season here, he was already pushing off to get open and draining his bum knee weekly. it was a terrible move to trade for him, but compare to most of the pop-star moves, it was considered one of his best. sad, just so sad.
March 25th, 2013 at 9:27 pm
PRBucFan Says: March 25th, 2013 at 8:09 pm
“Never once in TB did I hear of Winslow having trouble grasping the offensive system either.”
Actually, Winslow blew play after play because he tended to run the wrong routes. The reason was because he really didn’t practice on the field much. He studied the playbook but still got things wrong. This was why he and Freeman yelled at one another on the sidelines.
Even so…he WAS worth the picks. Just because there were no playoffs means nothing. And he DID NOT delay Freemans development…QBs work with “me” guys all the time. Raheem/Olson delayed Freeman.
March 25th, 2013 at 9:33 pm
I’m glad he isn’t rockin a bucs logo anymore. He can’t get separation and during his best play in 2010 catching a TD pass against the Lions he got flagged for contact … wrongfully but it’s Karma
and man do i hate how he jumps up after every catch talkin smack and pushing everyone. it’s sh!tty sportsmanship me me me me me
March 25th, 2013 at 9:37 pm
Yea..Gotta agree with PRBucFand and WestCoastBucFan. Winslow was one of two constant threats in the offense when he was here. The other being Blount. I keep seeing the same garbage about him being a “me” player, but the dude produced. And I personally don’t give much of a damn that he didn’t practice everyday with to rest his knee. In-game, he did everything he could to win.
Freeman became tunnel-visioned with Winslow on the field and that’s not Winslow’s fault. I fear he’s gonna do the same with Jackson as well. Mike Williams is serving as the bail out valve much like when Winslow was around. Thank goodness for damn near uncanny ability to snatch balls away from opposing defenses.
March 25th, 2013 at 9:41 pm
I am so upset with myself for reading this entire arguement over this bum. Never should Kellen Winslow Jr. deserve this much attention again.
March 25th, 2013 at 9:44 pm
Also, the fact that nobody that leaves tampa ever finds success in the NFL again is actually really sad if you’re a Bucs fan. It just shows how pitiful our roster has been of late that big time contributors to our team can’t even make the roster’s for 31 other teams.
March 25th, 2013 at 11:34 pm
Actually, Winslow blew play after play because he tended to run the wrong routes. The reason was because he really didn’t practice on the field much. He studied the playbook but still got things wrong. This was why he and Freeman yelled at one another on the sidelines.
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How exactly do you know this? Winslow is gone now and Free is still throwing balls to the wrong place…maybe, just maybe it was Free who had no clue what he was doing?
March 26th, 2013 at 1:35 am
@Oil Derrick Brooks
He missed practice? Hahaha, were talking about practice?
Get over it.
He produced during his three seasons here. Who cares how much he was paid? He was our best offensive player at the time.
I also like how you subtly mentioned that “Schiano” traded him and then not-so-subtly pointed out that you did so. What in the world makes you think any coach on any team is making trades? Your childish, blind hatred for Dominik has taken you to the point where you think Schiano is making all of the personnel decisions? And Dominik is doing what exactly? Getting the coffee? Picking up Schiano’s dry cleaning?
Laughable.
Reminds me of all the Dom haters saying that Schiano was the one that drafted all the players this past draft which is why it was so successful. (Schiano came out and said he pretty much spectated the whole thing as it happened.)
March 26th, 2013 at 6:31 am
Winslow’s quoted “toes on the line”, “you can’t laugh, you can’t joke around” “So I stayed away from OTA’s” interview says it all. Let’s see, he was brought in by Dominik, and stuck around until when? Oh, let’s see, as soon as Schiano arrived.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d829e0c70/article/kellen-winslow-put-off-by-greg-schianos-militaristic-ways
If you really think that it was random, I got a bridge to sell you. Wake up up and smell the coffee. That was Schiano saying he had no use for that baby.
Who cares how much he was paid???? You sound like Dom defending the Michael Clayton extension.
March 26th, 2013 at 10:37 am
Wow, I really can’t believe Kellen Winslow is getting this much attention but okay. According to your quotes of the soldier he outed HIMSELF. He left as soon as Schiano arrived because he didn’t like Schiano. This doesn’t mean, in any way, that Schiano called up the Seahawk’s GM and chopped it up about a 7th round pick for the guy.
I said who cares how much he was paid because he did not hinder our cap space to the point where we couldn’t sign anybody. (The Bucs were intent on not signing anybody that year anyway.) So what does it matter? He is not hurting us now because of his contract.
March 26th, 2013 at 1:15 pm
And going back to my original comment. He IS a me player. And he IS chronically injured, which you felt compelled to remark upon.
His knee’s drained regularly and he can’t practice like the rest of a team.
Why else has a 6th overall pick been traded twice, and released twice, and is now out of work?
Again, chronically injured.
And of course, Schiano did not literally dial the phone to Seattle. But, it was him who told Dom to do it. You seriously think that was Dom’s decision? please.
March 26th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
What proof do you have that Schiano made that decision? None at all, its pure speculation. Unless otherwise has been said by a member of the Buccaneers organization the GM makes ALL of the personnel decisions. Any “fan” saying otherwise has no idea what they are talking about.
Im not saying he was the greatest player ever, or even worth the sixth overall pick for that matter. He WAS worth the second round pick that it took to acquire him. Your argument that him being “chronically injured” and not being able to practice is hilarious. If nothing else it shows that he played his heart out for this team. Think about a player that is so “chronically injured” he never practices but at the same time NEVER missed a game? That is easier said than done.
As far as his “me” personality you keep bringing up? No one here is arguing with you on that. You just keep mentioning that because you have nothing else to say.
March 26th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
So, if not for his CHRONIC INJURY, why else would such a high draft pick with, not one, but two, highest paid TE of all-time contracts under his belt, be out of work?
My point is that he underperformed. As much as you apparently love the guy, he did not perform up to expectations. He underperformed his rookie contract and underperformed the one given to him by Dom. And with that 2nd round pick that TB gave up, you know was still out there for the taking? Guys like Lesean McCoy, Sebastian Vollmer, Sean Smith, etc.
And for as great as you and he thinks he is, he never broke 900 yards receiving with Tampa. We gave a second round pick for 3 seasons. Would it be worth a 2nd for 5, 6, 7+ seasons? Sure. But, not for 3. Jimmy Graham was a third round pick and has already broke 900 yards twice in three total seasons. Witten was a third round pick, now going on his ELEVENTH season. I could go on.
Why do I mention him being a “ME” player? Because it affected his performance on the field. He could have been in Tampa during offseasons, like a player who is the highest in NFL history at his position should. But, he did not. It shows a lack of commitment, and he could have doing ANYTHING to help his team. But, he was instead, dicking around.
Just like he was dicking around with the Browns and blew his knee out.
CHRONICALLY INJURED ME PLAYER.
March 26th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
Only the most dominant of tight ends with elite level quarterbacks break 900 yards receiving. You need to be looking at receptions, not yards. Tight ends make the catches over the middle and usually don’t get much YAC.
Brian Robiskie, Ron Brace, Pat White, Clint Sintim, Darcel McBath, Sen’Derrick Marks
^Any one of these guys had just as much of a chance of being that pick.^
His knee injuries caused him to decline to the point where he was not AS effective in his third year. (Although I think he still lead the team in receptions).
“CHRONICALLY INJURED ME PLAYER”
^^No one is debating this.^^
The only part we disagree on is the impact his “chronic injuries” had. Can you blame the coach for not letting their only receiving threat take it easy in practice?
He was paid very well, yes, but “record contracts” are signed every year at different positions. (Look at Flacco.) We had to over pay him to keep him. (The same reason we have to keep over paying free agents.)
I don’t even love the guy. Frankly, I thought he was beginning to hamper Freeman’s development in his last season here. The fact remains that he was the only consistent, RELIABLE player we had on offense for a long time. He was the ONLY player that defenses actually needed to consider when they lined up.
CHRONICALLY INJURED ME PLAYER THAT LEAD THE TEAM IN RECEPTIONS FOR THREE YEARS AND NEVER MISSED A GAME.
March 26th, 2013 at 5:15 pm
We are going to have to agree to disagree.
I can’t debate him leading in receptions, nor missing games. But, I don’t think he was worth the pick, nor the contract. I think his being waived twice since that, attests to that.
Flacco won a Super Bowl and won playoff games, he earned it. Winslow never earned even one record contract, much less two. (is that on Dom too? hell yes, he screws up routinely)
Can I blame the coach? No, I blame the GM. There were other available options on offense.
Dom has a history of going with the risky already injured player on many occasions , via FA or the draft. If they were, at least, a team guy, a community guy, with a reasonable salary, it would be more palatable.
But, we’ll just have to disagree with what he brought to Tampa. It was a microcosm of his entire pro career. Good, but, not even close to as good as he thinks/thought he is/was. Terrible intangibles. Selfish. Not a team player.
March 26th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
And let’s back this up….Now you agree that he’s chronically injured?? That was what I said initially. And you literally called me out.
“Say what you will about his character but don’t make stuff up.” What did I make up?
I never said he didn’t anything about his numbers or missing games.
I said Chronically Injured. Which he has been since his first season in Cleveland.
Glad we cleared that up.
March 26th, 2013 at 5:25 pm
“Dom has a history of going with the risky already injured player on many occasions , via FA or the draft.”
Everything else aside. When? Outside of two instances (Bowers and Clayborn) when has Dominik chosen the “already injured player”? Brian Price? He had no injury history prior to being drafted. Neither did Gerald McCoy, Carl Nicks, Myron Lewis, Arrelious Benn, Eric Wright, etc. You can’t mistaken bad luck with injuries for a tendency to pick up injury prone players.
March 26th, 2013 at 5:40 pm
I suppose you were “technically” correct about his injuries but in most football references a “chronically injured” player is one that chronically misses games because of injury, not chronically misses practices. A lot of players miss practice to nurse injuries so they can play on game day. (When it actually matters).
March 26th, 2013 at 7:21 pm
Again, why do you think this guy isn’t on a team right now? He was only drafted in what, 2004?
His knee and his attitude. Which is exactly what I said initially.
If he didn’t have both or even one of those problems, he would still be employed, like guys older or similar in age (Gonzalez, Gates, Witten, Clark)
“Technically” that is, literally, what I said.
March 26th, 2013 at 7:44 pm
Winslow – highest TE contract in history -injury risk
Clayborn – First round pick – injury risk
Bowers – Second round pick – injury risk
Like it or not, he’s dancing with NYJ for a guy coming ff ACL injury for a huge contract – injury risk
It’s not just the quantity, but, the high level of either $ or pick. I’m sorry, I consider that risk taking.
I think he takes dumb risks in general. I don’t they expected Claiborne to be gone after the trade down. He continued to rely on the most unreliable characters, like Talib. What did that get you, but a suspended starter. Wright had character risks even coming out of USC, and immediately after signing, the DUI arrest (I know, no prosequi), then the drug suspension. He put massive money on Clayton after he sucked for how long? Josh Freeman in the first round wasn’t a risk? I just feel like he takes risks too often.
Tangent over.
March 26th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
BTW, I think Dominik has done some very good stuff as well. I just think to this point, his term as a GM is mixed, and eventually you will be judged on your wins and losses.
March 26th, 2013 at 11:44 pm
That last comment is all I was looking for.
Thank you.
I agree. Mixed results. But the thing is he has gotten better over time and he will continue to get better as time goes on. If we have another losing season though (and as long as its not because half our roster is on IR) then he should at least be on the hot seat if not fired out right. Several factors go into building a team and it’s win/loss record. Dominik definitely deserves blame for not having a contingency plan at corner last season. He gambled with Talib and Wright (mostly because with a first year coach, expectations were low anyway) and he lost that gamble and hopefully learned from it.
Thank you for the heated discussion, haha. We still disagree on some things but that’s okay.
(Also, for the record, I don’t think Winslow is any good right now. He has been on a steep decline since he left here. Those knee injuries really shortened his career. I think he is only 28 now but probably won’t get another starting gig if even a roster spot. His fault for sure. He was a young and dumb millionare in Cleveland and is paying the price now.)