Revis’ Agent Has Warm Ties To The Bucs
March 17th, 2013
Those ugly contract holdouts by Darrelle Revis with the Jets in 2007 and 2010? They very well may have been driven by his agent’s distaste for Gang Green management, so penned New York Daily News columnist Gary Myers.
On Friday, Myers dove into a list of reasons/factors why he believes Revis surely will land with the Buccaneers. One of them stuck out to Joe most.
Revis’ agent, Neil Schwartz, has a contentious relationship with the Jets that goes beyond Revis holding out in 2007 and 2010. But last year, Schwartz client Vincent Jackson signed a five-year, $55.5 million free agent deal with the Bucs that included $26 million in guaranteed money. Since no team is going to give up significant draft choices for a one-year rental, it’s crucial that Schwartz and the Bucs already have a good relationship.
Various reports claim Revis wants a contract extension to the tune of $14 million to $16 million annually starting in 2014. Joe finds that figure to be insane, given the depressed salaries doled out to cornerbacks this season. Consider the roughly $15 million Eric Wright was scheduled to earn over 2012 and 2013 — before he pill-popped his way to less — and compare that to what corners are scoring on the open market this season. It’s not close; and Wright wasn’t that great before he got to Tampa.
Perhaps Schwartz will see that reality. He’ll surely hear it from Dominik. The Bucs can’t fork over a big compensation for a one-season player. But they also can’t serve up almost double market value to a guy coming off major knee surgery.
March 17th, 2013 at 9:01 am
Maybe VJ is doing some recruiting for the Bucs. Going to be a longggg Sunday. Maybe a deal will be struck during NFL meetings this week where the Jets and Bucs can sit down in one room and chat.
March 17th, 2013 at 9:24 am
The market on corner backs may dry up on Dominick and without Revis on board. The Bucs will be left empty handed. Dominick needs to pull the trigger and bring in some talent immediately. The draft is not going to fix everything.
March 17th, 2013 at 9:27 am
Me thinks this whole Revis thing is a Bamboozle Fest smokescreen so the fans forget the team barely spent money….and they end up using the rest of the cash on Mike Williams & Josh Freeman new contracts by Dec. 31st
March 17th, 2013 at 9:31 am
I’m still a little surprised that Dominik actually entered into negotiations for a player who’s coming off a major knee injury and has shown he’s willing to holdout for money. Not to mention, all for what could be, a one year rental. That seems so out of character for Dominik. I just wonder, if maybe all this is being driven, more by the Glazers.
March 17th, 2013 at 9:37 am
I have to think this is in the formality stage if its gonna happen at all. Figure out the logistics and get it done during the meetings
March 17th, 2013 at 9:45 am
http://www2.tbo.com/news/bucs/2013/mar/16/1/tampa-bay-buccaneers-being-patient-at-cb-ar-660232/
March 17th, 2013 at 9:46 am
http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/bucs-will-spend-even-on-revis-if-8230/2109466
March 17th, 2013 at 9:46 am
I am beggining to feel that this is the beginning of the end for Dominick. If it takes the owners/coaches to have to sit down together to hash this deal out, it seems like Dominick is losing his hold on his GM position.
March 17th, 2013 at 9:55 am
Dom and the Bucs I believe are making a big mistake with Revis. Why would you spend 15mil and a 1st or 2nd round draft pick on one player? When they could get 2 good corners, a good D end and a top draft pick, 4 friggin players for the same price. This “plan” of Doms is weak! Makes no damn sense.
March 17th, 2013 at 9:58 am
CC “Why would you spend 15mil and a 1st or 2nd round draft pick on one player? When they could get 2 good corners, a good D end and a top draft pick, 4 friggin players for the same price.”
You 1,000 percent right…
March 17th, 2013 at 10:01 am
I would rather have 1 revis at 15 million than 2 mediocre overpaid corners any day
March 17th, 2013 at 10:21 am
If revis can return to shut down form paying him 15 mil a year is worth it. If and when revis is a bucs player everyone here will agree he was worth it. He is close off one side of the field for years to come. I guess kind of a ronde replacement
March 17th, 2013 at 10:24 am
Revis will sell tickets in Tampa, that’s for sure. It sure gets old, not only losing, but to be known around the NFL as an area unable to sell out even our seasons opener. Tampa has become a “joke” around the NFL.
March 17th, 2013 at 10:25 am
It seems all other trades are on hold until some decision is made about Revis.
March 17th, 2013 at 10:30 am
Matt
1 Revis over 2 good corners,good defensive end and a 1st round pick. Really. We will see how that works out for you and the Bucs.
March 17th, 2013 at 10:35 am
Look, if we get Revis we have Goldson, Barron, Revis, and a good corner in the draft. At that point I’m not concerned about our secondary. Anthony Gaitor and Leonard Johnson have experience and I like the way they played in the Atlanta game to end the season. Would he be worth the money? Of course. If we would have had a decent secondary last year we would have easily made the playoffs. We have won the First Atlanta game, the Philly game, the Washington game and probably the Giants game as well. That’s 11-5.
March 17th, 2013 at 10:56 am
15 million is way too much for any cornerback, especially when it only leaves you 105 million to pay the other 52 players and practice squad members. There’s no-way a DB is worth as much as a QB.
March 17th, 2013 at 11:05 am
Just as I suspected, Dominik had communication with several of the higher profile free agents, i.e, Cliff Avril, Sean Smith, etc.. They chose to sign with perceived SB contenders. It’s not from Domink’s lack of trying. We’re being skipped over because of our history or they are scared the death of the Schiano Order.
March 17th, 2013 at 11:22 am
I find it very interesting that of all of the posters/commentors on this sight that the opinion of if the Bucs should sign Revis is so evenly split. Just shows that which ever way the Bucs decide is gonna make 50% of the people happy and 50% of them mad. Kinda puts them in a no-win situation with the fans on this matter. I just hope Dom and Coach do what they think is best for the team, not for the fans.
March 17th, 2013 at 11:29 am
4everBucsFan, you may be right!
One must remember, these guys are not college kids anymore, trying to make it, by brown nosing Schiano. No, these guys are Millionaires.
So why should they come to Empty Seat Tampa, to play on a losing team, with a hard assed coach who will bust their balls, when they can go play for a nice guy like Pete Carroll ?
It is hot and humid here in Tampa, we are used to it. But if you are a player thinking about coming down here, the heat, humidity, and the reputation of Schiano’s hard training camps may be enough to steer you away ?
Being a losing team, with no home game sell outs, don’t help recruiting either.
March 17th, 2013 at 11:44 am
Apple-how about some cheese to go with that whine.
March 17th, 2013 at 11:52 am
Have decided over the last few days that if the team loses out on Revis, it’s not the end of the world (though missing out on basically every other decent corner is a bit frustrating). Love how some of these posters are telling Dom to give up certain picks and just get the deal done, like it was just that simple.
Would assume Dom’s reluctance to give up the 1st this year (if that’s indeed what’s holding up the deal), is because they’ve targeted a player at a position of need (DT, OT, CB,) and don’t think they can get a similar value player in rnd 2 or FA. Another thought would be if the team is thinking of making a play for Sam Shields, who has a 2nd rnd tender as a RFA from GB, and they want to keep the 1st this yr to grab a DE/DT as well as Revis.
March 17th, 2013 at 12:01 pm
If we get Revis minus a 2nd, we probably go DT in draft. Dont need any other FA. The key is Goldson allows us to put one of our current CBs on any numb 2 rec with him over the top. We signed a LB that can run with TEs. Then we are drafing for depth and Im fine with that.
March 17th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
@ Mark Dominik
WHAT’S YOUR PROBLEM BUDDY????
RYAN FITZPATRICK HAS BEEN AVAILABLE FOR 1 WEEK NOW – SIGN THE DUDE AND MAKE FREEMAN COMPETE!
Oh yeah Revis is ok too!
March 17th, 2013 at 12:07 pm
@Chris,
Buddy what’s happend to you? I normally agree with you usual level-headed approach to things but really? Players caring about a sold-out stadium?
PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In the NFL there’s one simple rule:
MONEY TALKS AND BULLSPIT WALKS.
March 17th, 2013 at 12:07 pm
^^^^ that would be a nice scenario …for sure…..Shields, Goldson, Revis, Barron, and Barber. That’s formidable.
March 17th, 2013 at 12:09 pm
^^^^ @ FlBoy84
March 17th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
@ Mr Lucky
don’t be naive
March 17th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
Just read that the Revis trade is on hold for 2 more weeks and may be a draft time trade.
If I were the Bucs… I would start taking away draft picks. So not only did the Jets have to pay the 1 million rostor bonus yesterday, but now they just lost out on the 2014 1st round pick.
Chris@ARC … I agree with your comment. Practicing in Seattle in Seattle wth Pete Carrol as the coach and their dynamite fanbase, I can understand why a player would want to go their and avoid this place as millionaire baby.
March 17th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
“1 Revis over 2 good corners,good defensive end and a 1st round pick. Really. We will see how that works out for you and the Bucs.”
Tell me which 2 good corners you are talking about? ‘Cause the only good CB I saw on the market is/was Grimes.
And a 1st round pick? Are you sure we’re giving that up?
Would you rather have two Mike Williams on your team or one Calvin Johnson? That’s what I thought…
March 17th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
14+? LOL
I know CBs are in high demand becaus of the passing league, but that is asinine. He will get about 10 mill per.
March 17th, 2013 at 12:32 pm
Everyone up in arms about revis getting paid $15 mill. A year need not worry. Theres no way hes gonna get paid that amount of money.
@4Everbucs fan. Sean smith signed with a SB contender? The Chiefs???? And you dont think if avril was offered more than a two year deal from the bucs he wouldnt have taken it? Your nuts! These players are after the guaranteed $$ and a 3-4 year contract will naturally involve more guaranteed $$
March 17th, 2013 at 12:34 pm
I would spend the 2013 2nd rounder and a conditional 2014 1st rounder (has to play 13 games in 2013, otherwise this is a 2014 2nd round pick) on Revis. I would even consider to give up another 1 or 2 late round draft picks. This guy can shutdown the #1 WR of any team the full game!!! Our CBs are a joke! The Bucs can save all the money that is left on Wrights contract, when we get Revis plus one #2 veteran CB, plus Ronde as a nickelback. EJ as backup.
@Chris@Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa, you should ask VJ, Carl Nicks and Goldson why they came to Tampa. All had leadership roles in their old teams.
March 17th, 2013 at 12:47 pm
Some of you guys sure are crying a lot. I’m sure Dom and Schiano have their fingers on the pulse of every aspect of free agency and the draft. I think it’s safe to assume that we are not winning a Super Bowl this year (Although I think we’ll win it every year!). Sure we let Bennett walk, but Bowers was drafted to be a starter and that is exactly what he will do this year. If the Bucs Brass did not have confidence in him, they wouldn’t be starting him. As much as I’d like the Bucs to make a play for Dumervil, I am fine with Bowers, Clayborne and Teo Neshiem, who had a pretty good year for being a “nobody.” I’m sure we will draft a DT or DE as well this upcoming draft with our first round pick. Star and Mccoy would be a pretty sick tandem. As for corners…why overspend for Revis in terms of draft picks when he is a FA next year. Scouts Inc. rated Cason the best corner in this FA class. Why pay big bucks on mediocre players when we could draft 2 corners in a deep class? Step off the ledge Bucs fans! We’ll be all right!
March 17th, 2013 at 12:49 pm
Revis + Tebow to the bucs for Blount, Biggers and next year’s first rounder.
March 17th, 2013 at 12:50 pm
Every game sold out. Just saying…
March 17th, 2013 at 12:54 pm
@ 4everbucsfan
BS, BS, BS. you know damn well that if those players got a better offer from the bucs, they would run to tampa and say how they wanted to be a buc the whole time. money talks, BS walks especially to football players. the reason why they didnt come is not because Schiano is tough coach, its because we didnt throw gobs of money at them because we didnt really want them. look at Goldson, they really wanted him so they threw a sh!t ton of money his way and so he signed. it really is as simple as that.
March 17th, 2013 at 1:02 pm
@Chris@Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa- You are nuts if you think players don’t view Tampa as an awesome destination spot, you must really think lowly of Tampa, the Bucs sold out every game for a decade after ’97, if they’ve never been able to sell out, then I would question if that was possible, but since we were one of the top sell outs in the NFL year after year, then after the SB team imploded and we had to start over, then it’s just going to take a little bit of time to get us back to where we were, a playoff contender with every home game sold out!
Not to mention the beautiful weather we have here, which is Summer and a good 4 months of Winter, which is basically 4 months of perfect Fall weather anywhere else up north! We’ve got the best beaches in America, beautiful women, the best natural grass surface in the NFL, and NO STATE TAXES!!!! Yea, some may choose rainy, grey Seattle, but it comes down to cold hard cash that ultimately sways their decisions if they leave Tampa!
March 17th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
Im seeing predictions tat the Bucs will play the waiting game possibly until draft day in the hopes of the Jets asking price coming down. This gives other teams a chance to step up. That said, Dom must feel we are the only real suitors. If he is correct, the only outcomes are Revis being a Buc or the Jets re-sign him which is unlikely.
March 17th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
Andrew 1
You don’t really think things through, do you? Why is it that we have to throw gobs of money at free agents? Because for even money they will sign with a contender. If Seattle had matched the Bucs offer do you really think Goldson would have signed here. Same goes for last years VJax , Nicks, and everyone know we over-paid for Wright. But the fact is to get them here we had to throw gobs of money at them. If we had only matched offers they wouldn’t be here.
March 17th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
@ Bucfever40
don’t be naïve. Avril said, “Oh I had several really nice offers from other teams but I thought Seattle was the best fit, a real contender. Tampa did make him an offer, and something tells me it was better that Seattles.
March 17th, 2013 at 1:25 pm
@ 4everbucsfan
look my post meant no disrespect to you, my problem is I come off rough around the edges. so if my post offended you im sorry because honestly that was not my intentions. as far as having to outbid other teams for players, your right, and thats been happening for a while now. if green bay and tampa put the same offer on the table for Goldson, hed be in green bay right now. I think because they are a more established team then we are right now, and thats fine. eventually we will have the upper hand and they wont. but it kind of punches a whole in your theory because if they really hated Sciano and if they really think well never win then no amount of money would stop them from signing anywhere else. I think the days we stop over paying for FA happens when we start winning. until then it will be about the $$$$$ and nothing else.
March 17th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
^^^ agreed …. a consistent winning program does offer more to the players and can also be beneficial for the team monetarily. May I suggest we start winning so we can without a doubt sign future H.O.F. FAs .. 🙂
March 17th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
Andrew 1
I agree also.
March 17th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
you could argue that we have just as much leverage as any other team. other teams offer you wins and a nicer head coach and we offer you BIG $$$. I guarantee you the player will choose the BIG $$$ every time. its just deciding if we want to offer you that big contract or not. so offer with players like Bennett and others we did not want to offer big money, and its for a reason. we decided we didnt want them.
March 17th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
Well, we REALLY need Revis now that all the corners are gone, except for Grimes.
March 17th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
^^^^ but it’s not leverage when we all have the same salary cap. In fact, it’s negligible to over-spend in a salary cap situation. Why do you think NY is trying to unload him.
March 17th, 2013 at 2:04 pm
@ 4everbucsfan
no they dont. we have roughly 30 million to spend without going over the cap. a team like green bay has 8 million to spend without going over the cap. therefore we have more leverage when it comes to offering more money.
March 17th, 2013 at 2:04 pm
Such a boring free agency so far.. I find myself checking profootballtalk and Joe’s site to hopefully find out the bucs have made a nice signing or traded for Revis. Our defense was the side of the ball we had to improve the most this offseason, but then we let Bennett and Miller walk, Haven’t found a veteran replacement for Black, and yes we improved our secondary with Goldson, we still need TWO new starting CB’s. Revis for next years first and fourth rounders, then draft Trufaunt in the first and Slay in the second or third.
March 17th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
correction green bay bay has 20 million to spend. you get my point though.
March 17th, 2013 at 2:10 pm
The Goldson signing was great, but we’re not a better team than we were before FA. We’re relying on an unproven Bowers (who also could be in trouble with the law) to take over the starting role. Then on the other side of the line, we have Clayborn who’s coming back from knee surgery. Then we have literally zero depth after that. Even if we get Revis, we’re still not a playoff team.
March 17th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
Andrew 1
I wasn’t talking about how much we had to spend. I was talking about our cap is $123,000,000 million, which is the same amount as all the other teams. No one has an advantage. A corner should not make as much as a QB, maybe as much as a top WR but that’s it. Too many high priced starting players can kill a teams depth.
March 17th, 2013 at 2:18 pm
@Patrick
Don’t forget about Teo! He started a large number of games on the leagues number one rush defense so you can’t say “literally zero depth after that”. I really think we just need a young DE to fill out the rotation and be the fourth DE.
March 17th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
@ 4everbucsfan
lol we are obviously not understanding each other. that number, 123,000,000 million is the CAP FLOOR which is the same for every team, yes. so lets say green bays total salary for every player is 98 million. thats a difference of 25 million that they are allowed to spend. for us lets say our total salary for ever player is 80 million. that would be a difference of 43 million that we are allowed to spend. therefore we can afford to spend more money at this time. I dont know how else to explain it. please if there is anyone else that can help explain feel free.
March 17th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
or if Im wrong feel free to correct me.
March 17th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
Andrew,
If the Browns & the Bucs offered the same amount then what? It works both ways. Players don’t play out of loyalty or the kindness of their hearts. All of these teams over pay for basically average players. The thing the Bucs front office does is goes after the best so it’s their belief that if you have to over pay make it a potential pro bowler instead of another teams cast off’s.
March 17th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
@Mr Lucky, what I meant was Seattle is a great place to play, because not only is it always sold out, it is almost a college atmosphere. The Fans cheer your every move.
Here in Tampa, the stadium is nearly always empty lately.
March 17th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
@4ever
I get your point dude, but that’s why we gotta turn everything around. Start winning again. Put Tampa back on the map in a good way. Start selling out the stadium. Unfortunately, sometimes as proven by Daniel Snyder, you can’t buy championships, you have to have sustainable depth in case your starters go down. But you also can’t get there as an underdog if your not willing to take that chance. Revis would absolutely dominate it he can last the entire season.
March 17th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
Apple,
Look around at the rest of the league! Don’t you watch other teams on TV? Half of the NFL is suffering from empty seats! Just because they claim sell outs doesn’t mean there are butts in the seats. Who has empty stadiums? Jax, Carolina, Tenn, SD, Oak, KC, Miami, NYJ, Buffalo, St. Louis, Arizona, Cincy, Detroit….etc…etc… High Tech home systems is making going to games obsolete.
March 17th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Look at it this way,we will have a lot of new pro bowlers and good new players this year compared to last year,Joseph,CARL NICKS,Clabourne,Goldson,maybe Revis,a hole new draft and Dom will make a few more great moves just wait.WOW thats a lot of new talent.Tats four new pro bowlers nd counting what other team can say that.
March 17th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
@ 4everbucsfan
teams do have an advantage in salary by the amount of money they have spent in relation to the cap. if teams or closer to the cap floor than they have less of an advantage than teams farther away than the cap floor. but its there own fault because they have such a high salary for players. we on the other hand dont have a high salary for players. therefore we are free to spend more money than them AT THIS TIME. but at the same time if we keep spending the way we dont we wont have any more money left over to spend. therefore we wont have an advantage. so every team has to spend wisely.
March 17th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
I think that last part of my paragraph was what you meant. if it is then I understand where your coming from. but the bucs dont seem worried about it so if there not worried, im not worried.
March 17th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
make it rain. lol
March 17th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
^^^^thankyou …..you got my point …we do have to be somewhat frivolous lest we end up like NY.
March 17th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
@don’t
…lol …that was my point turkey.
@ Andrew 1
exactly!
March 17th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
Bucs cant do this, Bucs can’t do that….blah blah blah. Same ole song and dance.
March 17th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
@ don’t.be.naive
that was the same point 4everbucsfan was trying to make, wasnt it. if it is then we are all understood.
March 17th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
@ 4everbucsfan.
cool!!! thank God. im glad we talked that through and we understand each other. I def understand exactly where your coming from now. but its like a said before if the bucs arent worried about it, then im not worried about it. make it rain.
March 17th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
I guess I have a hard time explaining myself but you got my point. I want to win like the next guy but I also understand the logistics of the game and it’s not played like fantasy football …lol 🙂
March 17th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
^^^^ exactly. lol. I feel better now.
March 17th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
@ 4everbucsfan
and for the record, I agree with you that its a shame that we have to overspend to get players. but you got to do what you got to do in order to win.
March 17th, 2013 at 3:46 pm
Then you also agree with me that it’s not entirely Dominik’s fault when a free agent decides not to sign with us. It can be a hard sell, unless of course we fly the Glazers private jet to pick up every potential elite player. lol… Dominik pulled out the ace card. 🙂
March 17th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
Dear Marky D…I will take Revis, Winfield, and Mallet.. Please and for the draft i would like me some Star DT!
March 17th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
@ 4everbucsfan
no, your right, its not entirely Doms fault. but if getting a player that we really need in order to win means picking them up with that jet and everything else that comes along with it, then thats what needs to be done. so they must pick and chose who they do that with wisely because the money is not endless. there certainly not going to use that jet on a player like Bennett.
March 17th, 2013 at 4:04 pm
if they do that, than things should work out in their favor.
March 17th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
^^^ or Cliff Avril for that matter.
I hope we find a few gems in the draft. We need automatic starters. GO Bucs!
March 17th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
Bucs will once again be playing in front of a packed Raymond James stadium, lol
March 17th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
I think once we start winning again, the Fans will come back. Until then, I guess we have to get used to the blackouts.
I think Revis will bring in the fans, simply because he has a name.
I have to believe Revis is coming here, since we passed over so many players that might have helped us.
I think he is worth a first round pick, or a 2nd rounder, and Blount.
I hear Drew Brees is hoping the deal for Revis falls through 🙂
March 17th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
We need Revis because Freeman sucks so bad.. Maybe practicing against him our wideouts and Qb will get better.. He can also teach the young pups how to play football!
March 17th, 2013 at 4:42 pm
I feel 99% sure the bucs will eventually, keyword being eventually, get Revis. that should go along way to making a secondary better. GO BUCS!
March 17th, 2013 at 5:17 pm
Revis talk=ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZ, boring, non-issue, irrelevant for the time being.
@ Joe, let’s have a post on here about potential Draft Picks, who the bucs make take or Dom’s recent draft strategy. 2010 biggest weakness DT, he took 2 in first 2 rounds. In 2011 DE was biggest need, took 2 in first 2 rounds. In 2012 it was defense in particular safety, 4 out of first 5 picks were defensive players.
2013- Biggest need CB….#13 D.Trufant, #43. D.Slay CB or L.Ryan CB or D.Amerson CB… would Dom stick to his draft “strategy” and double on CBs?.
Here is my best scenario draft #13. D.Trufant CB Wash, #43 T.Carradine DE FSU #73 Brandon Williams DT Missouri Southern, #4A Ryan Swope WR Texas A&M, #4B Vance McDonald TE Rice, #5 Jordan Mills OT Louisiana Tech, #6A Quanterus Smith LB/DE Western Kentucky, #6B DJ Hayden CB Houston #7.Phillip Steward OLB Houston. What does BucsNation think?
March 17th, 2013 at 5:17 pm
Revis is a great cb. But how many Super Bowls did yhe Jets win with him?
March 17th, 2013 at 5:31 pm
Sas… YOU DO REALIZE that trading Revis the Bucs give up a high draft pick.
I actually hope thath the Bucs trade their 1st and 2nd pick just so Justin’s draft party will be a dud.
March 17th, 2013 at 5:37 pm
@ Bucs Fan #238, I do realize that bucs would be giving up high draft picks. I also believe Revis will not end up in Tampa, If Freeman and WIlliams are both extended next year and VJAX and Nicks salaries aren’t 725,000 or whatever they are right now due to the massive amount reallocated to them in the summer. The amount of money Revis will want/demand, the bucs won’t be able to afford. I think this is all a smoke screen, like DOM and the bucs seem to always do, CBs on the market think they want Revis so it ‘seems’ we have no direct need for an above average CB who’s market is inflated due to FA, even though the market has dictated otherwise. At the end of the day DOM has something planned at the draft involving loading up on young CBs and adding a good VET late in FA at a very reasonable price, this is all simply my OPINION. I really have no idea what will happen, just this is what I feel is most likely at this point.
March 17th, 2013 at 5:49 pm
Chris@ apple roof, you are so right. Winning cures all. But it seems to me we have even more questions then answers. We need a starting DT, our CB play is still a BIG question. And the BIG question…Freeman. If Freeman has another stretch where he goes all mental, then what.
March 17th, 2013 at 5:58 pm
Revis is coming…and he knows the knee issue will not get him 14-16 per year. But he will be paid. The multi-year contract will include incentives beneficial for both parties…..the Jets just have to settle on a 1st or a 2nd and two 4ths.
March 17th, 2013 at 6:02 pm
Uh, Revis is the reason the Jets went to two AFC championships…..he was the leader of that team!
March 17th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
“the Jets just have to settle on a 1st or a 2nd and two 4ths.”
That’s the problem.
March 17th, 2013 at 6:16 pm
Does ANYONE really KNOW for a FACT that Revis’s knee is ok? Has Revis worked out for ANYONE?
March 17th, 2013 at 6:17 pm
I personally think this whole revis thing is ridiculous. It is too much. I don’t think trading high draft picks for anyone has really worked out for the Bucs. And giving up those high round picks hurts more long term. The question I have is, if we are so willing to give up draft picks for a player why aren’t we going after any of the RFA corners that are only tendered with a 2nd round tender? I think we should go after Sam Shields instead of dealing with Revis. I don’t know what the plan is, but I would think a 25 year old pro bowler is more appealing than a 30 yr old pro bowler coming off one of the worse injuries a DB can have. Time will tell, but I have faith that Dom and Schiano are not stupid enough to give so much for one player. I think this is all just gossip from Dom exploring options and the media having nothing else to talk about. Go Bucs.
March 17th, 2013 at 6:19 pm
^^^ I got a perfect solution to that problem. give them a conditional 2nd round pick that would turn into a 1st round pick if Revis reaches certain conditions during his first season with the bucs. that sounds reasonable right?
March 17th, 2013 at 6:30 pm
Damn slow day at joebucsfan any news ?
March 17th, 2013 at 6:33 pm
So many things to address here. First of all, the Bucs are not going to go out and get a bunch of free agents. They believe in going after the best of the best, or nothing at all (which I know doesn’t explain Eric Wright). They don’t go after receivers like Brandon Lloyd, they went after Vincent Jackson. They went after the best guard in the game in Carl Nicks. They are now going after the best CB in the game in Revis. In order to afford these elite guys, they have to draft the other positions. You can’t have a team full of free agents in the prime of their careers. That’s exactly how you get yourself in salary cap hell. You get you some elite players, then build around them with solid drafting and developing. Besides, everyone forgets that more than 50% of free agents don’t end up working out, and you pay them huge salaries. Going after the best of the best is much safer, albeit more expensive.
The Revis situation is tricky, because it involves a trade. If he was a free agent, he would have been here on Tuesday, no question in my mind. Since no other team is interested, there’s really no rush to do the deal. I know that sucks, but that’s reality. I’m as worried as anyone, but at this point I don’t see how the Jets can keep him. That relationship is broken, they are rebuilding (only 4 starters under contract, including Revis), and they know they are going to lose him after 2013.
Assuming we get Revis, people are really underestimating how much one player can help us. Look at the picture – believe it or not, it’s actually ok for a CB to catch the ball. That doesn’t happen in Tampa lately. He will shut down, or at least greatly limit, and and every receiver he faces. All that with no help. Julio Jones – nothing. Then we can double cover Roddy White every play, and we all know no tight end wants to go down the middle with the “dreaded duo” back there at safety. The QB’s are going to need much more time to throw the ball, which will lead to a ton of sacks. I wanted Sean Smith too, but he’s not going to shut down Julio Jones with no help. Not to mention that he doesn’t create many turnovers, and is nowhere near the tackler Revis is. Grimes is 30 years old and coming off an Achilles tear, which is pretty much a death sentence for a DB.
March 17th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
@Mr. Lucky,
he’s still rehabbing his knee. I believe he starts running this week, or he started last week (I saw a special on him recently). It’s only April and it was just an ACL tear (meaning he didn’t tear any other ligaments), so there’s no reason he shouldn’t be at 100% by training camp.
March 17th, 2013 at 6:40 pm
I hope they get the Revis deal done, and then sign a guy like Derek Cox or Quentin Jammer. Revis can’t do it all himself.
March 17th, 2013 at 6:43 pm
Ill be happy if the bucs get Revis, embrace all bucs players. But if Revis Island stays in NY or some where else, bucs maybe better off. No guarantee he will be same player and he will want too much money, I think I’m in the minority here.
March 17th, 2013 at 6:49 pm
If you have not done so, Read The Tampa Tribune today. Finnelly and Cummings are good. Love the Revis tied to Freeman.
Just would like to know. If we do not want to pay “average” players very much and let them walk, How much do you pay your “average” starting QB? How much money do you think he and his agent will demand?
March 17th, 2013 at 6:56 pm
What made Revis famous was he called himself “Revis Island” and played in NY. The NY media and fans ate it up. He also is a mouth. Media loves those types.
He really is more hype than anything else.
What happens when he starts getting burned in Tampa’s defense where there is NO pass rush and he truely is left on an island? He will be the first one to pop off and complain about the scheme.
Yeah, that’s exactly what the Bucs need.
March 17th, 2013 at 7:04 pm
Remember last year?
Everyone was upset we didnt sign a LB? And we were fine.
Remember last year?
Everyone thought Morris Claiborne?
LaVonte David made our defensse Solid last year! A Dominik draft pick!
Remember last year?
All you fools hating on McCoy?
And boom! He had a Pro Bowl year!!!
Some of you guys are clueless clowns!
Calm down.
Revis or nothing. I like it!
Giving DaQuan is ONE shot? Great! Playing him 200,000 compared to Michael Bennets 5 million? I like it.
Setting ourselves up for a DT at 13? I like it.
A corner in the 2nd? I like it.
Calm down people!
March 17th, 2013 at 7:25 pm
LOL @PATRICK
DUDE, Cox has been off the FA market since last thursday, Do you know we signed Goldson? haha
March 17th, 2013 at 7:51 pm
We won’t have a 1st and a 2nd this year becuase we are trading one of those picks for Revis.
March 17th, 2013 at 7:53 pm
@BucFan238,
You are 100% wrong. You have obviously never seen him play. The guy has shut down receiver after receiver for years now, yet you say he’s all hype? How many times have you actually seen him play? If you say more than zero, you are straight up lying. I’ve heard a lot of negative things about Revis, but never heard one person criticize his play on the field. I’ve certainly never heard anyone say he’s all hype. Too ridiculous for words, and even though you are anonymous, you should still be embarrassed.
March 17th, 2013 at 7:58 pm
Go ahead and let me know any receiver that has ever torched Revis. Go ahead, google up.
March 17th, 2013 at 8:03 pm
Well, I’m glad everyone has managed to talk themselves into being happy with this offseason
Our talented free agents are jumping ship. Free agents are only interested if we greatly over pay. Revis said , that if he’s traded- he wants to go to the Dolphins. That’s a pretty clear statement, telling us to go Buc ourselves.
We had worst CBs in the league, when we started the season. It didn’t get better. We had a lot of high dollar free agents- and it still didn’t buy us a winning season
Brett Grimes tore a tendon. Not a ligament. Huge difference. A tendon will heal with scar tissue- which isn’t flexible. Will slow his back pedal
Have more needs now, than at the beginning of Free agency. Still have worst secondary in football. Now, we must again rebuild D-line( not that it has ever been “built”)
But I’m glad some of us have somehow found a way to feel good about it.
I dont
March 17th, 2013 at 8:12 pm
Guess Revis saw the picture Joe put on here of Freeman trying to chase Revis down. Revis remembered and said no way in hell. If I go to Florida send me to the Dolphins.
March 17th, 2013 at 8:18 pm
@teacherman….right on bro !
March 17th, 2013 at 8:21 pm
@Capt. Tim,
Not calling you a liar, but I don’t believe for one second that Revis wants to be traded to the Dolphins and not to Tampa. If he said it (which I don’t think he did, at least not directly because he hasn’t done any interviews), then I feel 100% confident his mind will be changed when he sees how many zeros are on his contract. If he has any intelligence whatsoever (which he does), he is going to want to go to the team that takes care of him financially. How can you say he doesn’t want to go to Tampa, yet it has been widely reported that we have already worked out a long term deal for him? Obviously he isn’t that opposed to coming to Tampa. We are the perfect scheme for his talents, and we have coaches that he played for in college. Until I hear the words out of his mouth, I don’t believe that BS that he doesn’t want to come here. Not for a second.
March 17th, 2013 at 8:24 pm
Let’s break down what the Bucs are doing.
1. signed Goldston (smart move and upgrade at the FS position)
2. not sign any of the Free Agent Corners (none of them are very good and not worth a long term contract, better to wait until tier 2 and save $$$ to get the same results)
3. Let Bennett walk (he would have been a backup to Bowers, why spend 5 million on a backup when you can wait for tier 2 and get a vet backup for less)
4. Let Roy Miller walk (this is my personal guess but our 1st round pick will be used to replace him with IMHO the DT from Utah)
5. Go hard after Revis (ACL or not he is the best cover CB we’ve seen since Prime Time, you do whatever it takes to get him)
Instead of panicking this is how I am viewing the off season and it makes a lot of sense, if you wait and let it play out the Bucs will have a revamped secondary with two All Pros and a revamped defensive line with a healthy Bowers starting over Bennett and a 1st round talent at DT opposite McCoy.
If it goes down this way would any of us complain?
March 17th, 2013 at 8:27 pm
@Capt.
I’m not happy with the offseason to date, but we are 6 months out from the regular season. We signed 2 free agents and a pill popper last year. This year we have one, and are working on another. The draft is upcoming, and there is just so much time left. If you remember, you criticized WR coach PJ Fleck all offseason last year. Remember that? How did that work out? He ended up being pretty good, huh? Point is, you just never know until they hit the field. How many times have you seen team win the Free Agency Super bowl, then have a miserable season. Hell, Washington did it damn near every year. Philadelphia, Dallas, etc. have all had great months in March and April, and then put garbage on the field in September. I’m 100% with you that it doesn’t look so good right now, but I also know that the teams that are consistently good rarely make even a ripple in free agency (Pittsburgh, NE, Baltimore, etc.). Give it time before you go all Adolph Hitler on JBF.
March 17th, 2013 at 8:29 pm
“If it goes down this way would any of us complain?”
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If we won the Superbowl, people would complain.
March 17th, 2013 at 8:32 pm
@ Hawaiian
since you asked, here are a couple of examples of Revis getting burned
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dRz9WCgXRU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEA9qxSfcjk
March 17th, 2013 at 8:33 pm
that doesnt mean he is bad though.
March 17th, 2013 at 8:34 pm
why is all of a sudden my comment ” awaiting moderation.”?
March 17th, 2013 at 8:43 pm
We have to get Revis He is like the highest rated player in madden 13.. Finally I can play as the bucs!
March 17th, 2013 at 8:49 pm
@ Hawaiian
my post didnt seem to go trough so ill give it another try. since you asked, here are a couple of examples of Revis getting burned
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dRz9WCgXRU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEA9qxSfcjk
March 17th, 2013 at 8:56 pm
@ian agreed on all points
March 17th, 2013 at 9:00 pm
Look, I’m not real happy about the way things look and I say look because for all I know, things may really be going according to plan.
If it were me, and it’s not going to be, I would have this deal done with Revis by Wednesday, the end of the owners meeting. If we can’t make a deal I’m going into Plan B mode. I would offer 1 year contracts to Karlos Dansby and Kerry Rhodes – guys that have experience and can still play at the starter level.
I would send the plane to pick up Chris Gamble and talk him out of retirement for a 2year contract like Atlanta did Gonzales. I would hold my nose and re-sign the pill popper to a 1 year base contract of 3.5mil with incentives to make 5mil. You are aware that since the dust has settled the top CB, Sean Smith, signed a base contract of only 5.5mil.
I would move on to the draft and concentrate on a DT or DE in the 1st round because there are enough CBs in the draft to make a Cecil B. Demille movie. You young Turks will not know Cecil. Google is your BFF. lol
March 17th, 2013 at 9:11 pm
Revis was great before his injury, no one and I mean no one knows if he will be the same. He is about to turn 30 and I know a 30 yr old doesn’t heal like a 20 yr old. I can honestly say that I don’t want Revis under any realistic circumstances. It is just too costly. If we were 1 player away from a championship team, maybe. But we are not. We still do not have enough quality depth to win the division let alone the super bowl. If Dom hits a home run on 4 picks in this draft we will be contenders for the division, but we will still be borderline on our depth since we have so many injury prone starters. Also we still have one of the most inconsistent QBs in the league. I like Freeman, but really our season will rely on which Freeman shows up. If we stay healthy and if Freeman has a solid year then we can start to think about being contenders, but it hasn’t happened yet. This whole situation just reminds me of the Keyshawn Johnson trade, he wasn’t really a bust but he was a major distraction and the loss of draft picks really screwed us. I am just afraid of the same effect. Revis is 1 man not an entire defense. He would help our secondary but I don’t think it is worth it. If they want a great corner just coming into his prime why don’t they get Sam Shields from Green Bay(2nd round tender). Give up a 2nd round pick and get a better corner than any of the rookies would be this season. Just my opinion though only Team Glazer, Dom, and Schiano decide what will happen. Like it or not I have always been a fan and I will die a Bucs fan. Go Bucs.
March 17th, 2013 at 9:29 pm
Cbell:
Joe has some “news” at 8 a.m. Monday.
March 17th, 2013 at 9:33 pm
Watch… if Revis comes to Tampa, our pass defense will still suck.
The NFC South QBs dont play… they will throw at him just to make him look stupid.
March 17th, 2013 at 9:41 pm
Woody Johnson is saying that he is not opposed to re-signing Revis anything to the contrary is patently untrue.
Why the Bucs would want to be embroiled in this giant worm orgy, I’ll never understand!
March 17th, 2013 at 9:45 pm
@Andrew 1,
Perhaps I should have clarified what I meant. I’m not saying he never gets beat. Hell, even Deion gave up TD’s occasionally. But he doesn’t get beat often, certainly not in the same game. You won’t see anyone getting 200 yards on Revis, ala Aqib Talib. Look at what he does against elite WR’s. They do little to nothing. He’s not perfect, but he’s still the best CB in the league, by a lot.
March 17th, 2013 at 9:48 pm
I think it’s a loser mentality to not get a great player because we aren’t one player away from the Super Bowl. The only way to get closer to the Super Bowl is to increase your talent. So you want to wait 4 more years before we add elite players? By that philosophy, we should also get rid of Vincent Jackson and Carl Nicks too, right? You don’t think if we had Revis last year we aren’t much closer to the playoffs? I think we get in the playoffs. Once you’re in, you have a chance. But nah, let’s just wait until we get in, then let’s start adding elite players. That makes perfect sense. I just don’t get it.
March 17th, 2013 at 9:50 pm
I am being patient because better coaching in the secondary is already on the menu, personnel upgrades will happen, and lastly maturation in the same systems.
The worst thing the Bucs can do is over pay for old CBs – catch up people teams are looking for players to draft.
Revis is great but at 29 – off an ACL there is no reason to reach. When is the last shutdown CB led team to win a SB? (Deion Sanders)
Fact is you don’t need elite CBs – you need solid CBs and you need depth.
March 17th, 2013 at 10:09 pm
@Architek,
I absolutely agree with you that coaching and maturation alone will help us to not be quite as dreadful.
Revis is 27, not 29. As for a shutdown corner not leading a team to a Super Bowl, that is very misleading. First of all, there are very very few shut down corners. People throw that around loosely, but there really aren’t many (so your odds are very very slim). Second, and most importantly, the most important thing needed for a Super Bowl is good QB play. Revis has Mark Sanchez, and they still got to the AFC Championship twice. Do you honestly believe they didn’t win BECAUSE Revis is an elite CB, as if having an elite CB is somehow bad for the team? Do you think the Jets would have been better had they had Tom Brady as their QB? I would say yes, wouldn’t you? The whole argument that shut down corners don’t win Super Bowls is ludicrous. I promise you there isn’t one NFL executive, coach, or player that believes that. If it is the case, Seattle needs to get rid of Richard Sherman immediately, or they will never win a championship.
March 17th, 2013 at 10:12 pm
Great post Hawaiian,
Agree 100%.
The window is closing and the decks get reshuffled every year. Get a great player when you can.
March 17th, 2013 at 10:13 pm
WHY DOES EVERYONE KEEP SAYING HE’S 29 or 30 years old!!!! The man is 27 YEARS OLD!!!!!!!!! Younger than Stanford routt(29), nmAndi (30), cary Williams(29), Brent grimes(29).. Hell he’s even younger than the bucs new safety dashon ,the same age as talib, and only 8 months older than derek cox is. I believe Age is a total non-factor here and It amazes me that people will just come out with false information to justify their own erroneous argument. All the political BS aside, It’s all about if can fully recover from his ACL injury. moreover, ACL injuries aren’t as bad as they use to be(adrian peterson) and is completley dependent on how hard hes willing to work,prepare,and WILL to play great football.. SO I want to see if this kid has moxy and see him rise above adversity and prove everyone wrong. REVIS plays great football.
March 17th, 2013 at 10:27 pm
@Hawaiian,
No, no, no…
The point I was making is lets not base the success or failure of the 2013 Bucs on whether we get Revis. He is (was) dominant before the knee.
The Super Bowl comparison is not an exercise to say you will not succeed with an elite CB but you don’t over pay or over extend your negotiations just because someone can “take away half of the field.” Basically, in today’s football, spread offenses will take him out the play or run routes that move him away from the ball while they attack your 3rd/4th CBs.
Thats why I say solid started with depth prevails all day in today’s football. Either way – I am good with the moves made so far. The front office seem so much smarter and deliberate now.
Thats why I was crazy about Sean Smith and Cary Williams but Im not going to cry because we did not get them yet. Revis is such high risk high reward. I love the move at the right price.
Believe it or not I believe our defense is going to be significantly better next year – like to 13 overall and top five agaunst the run and mid teens in the pass (worst case).
As far as the Jets recent success was directly attributed to that roster overall, not just Revis (definitely not Sanchez). They were stacked pretty good and had good coaching.
March 17th, 2013 at 10:32 pm
@ Hawaiian
I thought that what you meant. I was just being a smart ass. lol. just getting tired of this same freakin post. your are right though, he is a great cb and we would be lucky to have him.
March 17th, 2013 at 10:33 pm
I also never got the pleasure of watching Deon play week in and week out. it was before my time period.
March 17th, 2013 at 10:40 pm
I vaguely remember im playing with the ravens though…
March 17th, 2013 at 10:43 pm
@Architek,
Yeah, I gotcha, and I do get where you are coming from. However, I truly believe that it is better to have one elite player and a couple average players than 3 slightly above average players. An elite player makes average players into above average players. Going back to Deion, his opposite corner was always successful. Why? Because he always had help, not to mention the tutoring of Deion. It’s a fact that every one was CONSIDERABLY better playing with Deion than without. If you ever watch those top 10 lists on NFL Network, they had one on top CB duos. For Deion, they said basically whoever lined up with him. Revis may not be as good of a cover corner as Deion, but he is a more complete football player.
I really wanted Sean Smith, but not particularly Cary Williams or Brent Grimes. However, I don’t put Smith anywhere near the elite category. He’s not even close to what Nnamdi was in Oakland, and we all know how that worked out for Philly. I think Smith will be a good player, but I don’t think he’s going to be a top CB. I think we can get close to his ability in the draft, for about 20% of the price. Just my opinion, only time will tell.
March 17th, 2013 at 10:47 pm
@Andrew 1,
Deion was an amazing cover corner, although he tackled like a punter. It got to the point where you would watch a whole game and never see him, simply because the QB wouldn’t even throw on his side of the field! He was so much faster than everyone else, it was ridiculous.
March 17th, 2013 at 10:53 pm
Hawaiian Buc
I don’t dispute Revis’ talent and ability…I’m against the price getting him costs the Bucs. As we all know, this team has more holes than #1 CB. Getting Revis will cost us big in the draft…and who is to say we would not get a great starting CB with one of those picks?
And then what happens next year if Freeman turns that corner and earns a big contract? The $14 mil per year to Revis would hurt.
And finally…trouble in the locker room. His “me first” “island” attitude would cause issues.
I would rather get Elvis for 2 years at $10 mill and resign Biggers and maybe Wright, then draft CBs…
March 17th, 2013 at 10:55 pm
Very good point and I share the same views -I am a big fan of the draft now. The right player and coaching can get great performance with a fraction of the costs.
Honestly I believe every one of the Bucs need can be addressed in the draft and a few in FA.
OLine – Draft
DT – draft/FA
CB – FA/draft
STs – draft
TE – draft/FA
No rush things will fall into place.
March 17th, 2013 at 10:57 pm
@ Hawaiian
jeez, man I missed out. o well, at the very least its a good thing he left us with a bunch of highlights to remember him by.
March 17th, 2013 at 11:02 pm
Top 20 most commented on article ever on joebucsfan?
March 17th, 2013 at 11:22 pm
@Buccaneer Banzai,
Yeah, but who is to say we WILL get a starting CB out of this draft? We may need more than just one spot, but the spot we need FAR more than anything else is a #1 corner. Can you possibly disagree with that? As for him costing us too many picks in the draft, obviously that’s the issue as to why we don’t have him. Dominik is no fool and he’s not going to give up our entire future for him. I have a feeling he’s going to figure out a way to get Revis, yet still keep our first round pick. Perhaps he’s waiting to trade Blount, then use those picks to get back in the first? Who knows?
As for him hurting us if Freeman turns the corner, that’s an awful big if. I’d love to have that problem, but I don’t know if it’s actually going to happen. Besides, just because Revis is asking for $14M doesn’t mean he’s going to get it. There are also ways to give him his money, yet not kill us with the cap every year (perhaps he can front load it this year, then restructure it to the back end later ala Vincent Jackson). I’m sure he has a plan. You also have to remember that the cap increases every year, and it is expected to explode in 2015, when the TV contract expires. There’s no telling how much higher the cap is going to be at that time, but you can bank on it that it will be much higher. So I really don’t see that as a problem at all.
As for the locker room, he does not have a me first attitude. Quite the opposite. Go back and look up what his teammates say about him. Read up about what all of his coaches say about him. You will never hear the word “selfish” used. His agent has a bad history with the Jets that goes back before Revis even became a pro. If you really are concerned about the locker room, why in the hell would you want Eric Wright back on this team? The guy was tweeting about vacationing while he was suspended!!!!!!! The guy let his team down at the end of the year, because he wanted to pop some Adderall. Yet somehow you are worried about the influence Revis may have in the locker room?????? Please explain.
We aren’t going after Elvis, but even if we did get Revis, we could still afford Elvis, plus Biggers. I think you have to understand how far under the cap we are. Revis is not going to kill us. We can easily get Revis, and more.
March 17th, 2013 at 11:38 pm
via rotoworld
Owner Woody Johnson left the door widely ajar Sunday night when asked whether the Jets will trade Darrelle Revis.
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The Jets are trading Revis and you can take that to the bank. “It’s not one player,” said Johnson. “No team is just one player away, maybe with the exception of the quarterback. You can’t be distracted by one player. You have to look at everything.” Johnson called reports he doesn’t want to sign Revis long term, “a little bit exaggerated.” Asked if Revis would be on the Jets’ 2013 roster, Johnson replied “It depends. We’d like to have him on the team. But we’re trying to always make the team better. He’s on the team right now.”
Source: New York Daily News
March 17th, 2013 at 11:45 pm
Hawaiian Buc Said:
“Deion was an amazing cover corner, although he tackled like a punter. It got to the point where you would watch a whole game and never see him, simply because the QB wouldn’t even throw on his side of the field! He was so much faster than everyone else, it was ridiculous.”
neon deion also was a threat on special teams. if you didn’t see him on defense you might see him score on a punt return.
March 17th, 2013 at 11:53 pm
Trade for Revis, and sign a CB.
Go gettem, Greg, call those dick bitch Jets out.
March 17th, 2013 at 11:54 pm
Guys We have to go get him.. He is RATED 97 IN MADDEN! Hello get a clue people!
March 18th, 2013 at 12:02 am
We aren’t going after Elvis, but even if we did get Revis, we could still afford Elvis, plus Biggers. I think you have to understand how far under the cap we are. Revis is not going to kill us. We can easily get Revis, and more.
Dominik usually likes to front load contracts and pay for the guarantees up front. We have 32 million after Goldson and we still haven’t finished renegotiating our own players plus re-sign several of our own free agents, i.e. Biggers. Then we need the money for other free agents, money for the drafted players, money for the invites or walk-ons, the practice squad and extra money to make moves during the year. If we sign Revis we are done with FA and wait for the draft.
March 18th, 2013 at 12:04 am
@ Andrew I watched those videos and heres my conculsion..
Moss showed him up that day but I’d still take my chances with Revis given if they ran that play 10 times
The Tedd Ginn was an all out play and he wasnt playing Man.. Revis is pretty damn good bro.. your crazy not to want him..
March 18th, 2013 at 12:04 am
^^^^^ sorry …this was in response to Hawaiian
March 18th, 2013 at 12:27 am
@4everBucsFan,
I don’t think you understand the salary cap. First of all, we aren’t spending that much money on Biggers or any undrafted free agents. That’s silly. And who else of our own players do we have to negotiate with? You’re also forgetting that Wright is as good as gone, certainly at that salary. With the new CBA, rookies make jack squat. As an example, last year Barron (at #7) barely made a million, while Doug Martin made about 600K. All the other draft picks are making about what I make, which isn’t very much. So unless we get a roster of 400 people, we aren’t over the cap. I think you need to check your math, because it’s not even close. If you add all of our draft picks together, it will only add up to probably 2 or 3 million.
March 18th, 2013 at 12:30 am
4everbucsfan said:
“Dominik usually likes to front load contracts and pay for the guarantees up front. We have 32 million after Goldson and we still haven’t finished renegotiating our own players plus re-sign several of our own free agents, i.e. Biggers. Then we need the money for other free agents, money for the drafted players, money for the invites or walk-ons, the practice squad and extra money to make moves during the year. If we sign Revis we are done with FA and wait for the draft.”
this might help see the flexibility allowed at this point.
via askthecommish.com http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/FAQ.aspx
Question 1.4
Who falls under the Salary Cap?
Answer: The “Team Salary” falls under the Salary Cap. Team salary includes the amount a team must pay its current or former players under their player contracts. Notice emphasis on the word PLAYERS. The salary cap does not apply to coaches, assistants, trainers, and other personnel. Only the top 51 player salaries for a team count against the salary cap in the offseason. (Outstanding tenders apply.) During the season, all player salaries count toward the salary cap.
Question 1.5
How does the NFL Draft impact the Salary Cap?
Answer: Team salary includes the Rookie Minimum Active Salary as of the day of the draft for all drafted rookies. The salary for drafted rookies will stay at this amount until the player is signed, the team’s rights are relinquished through waivers, or until the Tuesday following the tenth week of the regular season if the player remains unsigned. Note also that there is a Rookie Salary Cap, which is a subset of the overall cap. Each team has its own unique Rookie Salary Cap, based on the number of draft picks they have and where in each round the picks ocurred.
March 18th, 2013 at 12:47 am
@ Nate
lol. you obviously didnt read everything that I said to Hawaiian buc. here is what I said. glad to repeat myself from early today.
Andrew 1 Says:
March 17th, 2013 at 10:32 pm
@ Hawaiian
I thought that what you meant. I was just being a smart ass. lol. just getting tired of this same freakin post. your are right though, he is a great cb and we would be lucky to have him.
I hope that clarifies any confusion and hope that puts to rest what I actually think of him.
March 18th, 2013 at 1:11 am
Has anyone noticed that we are not active in FA? We are waiting on Revis. I still say, if we land Revis, we are done in FA. If we don’t land him you may see last second additions.
You may say “They will add more FA after the Revis deal is done”, and I say, if that was their plan, why did they wait?
March 18th, 2013 at 2:45 am
we might be done in free agency whether we get revis or not. there are other options to get players though, e.g. trades, team cuts, draft.