Are Jets Stalling On A Darrelle Revis Trade?
March 13th, 2013
There are many — not all — Bucs fans slamming fists on their desks at work and scaring yenta co-workers surfing Facebook because said Bucs fans are not seeing updates on the Bucs trying to lure Darrelle Revis to Tampa Bay.
The reason why there are no updates is you cannot update something that doesn’t exist. There is nothing seeping out of Floral Park, headquarters of Gang Green. In fact, Jets general manager John Idzik isn’t even in the greater New York metropolitan area. He’s in Tuscaloosa monitoring a Pro Day at the University of Alabama.
Does that sound like the actions of a man who is intent on trading his best player?
Now, NFL Network — which has gone to Floral Park for a live update from Kimberly Jones virtually every hour, even though she has said she’s the only person in the building and the team’s movers and shakers are in Alabama — has confirmed the Bucs and Jets talked trade last night, but the talks went nowhere. No specifics as to why or what was discussed were released.
Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports claims there is no movement with Revis because the Jets are stonewalling. The Jets have yet to grant approval for any team to talk to the Revis camp.
However, new Jets general manager John Idzik, who has declined two requests by Yahoo! Sports to discuss the situation, has yet to give Schwartz and Feinsod permission to talk to other teams. In fact, the sides haven’t talked for weeks. Aside from a couple of brief exchanges between Idzik and Revis, there has been almost no contact between the sides.
“What the Jets are creating is a situation where [the agents] have to beat them. Teams are saying, ‘OK, we’re trading picks for you, what kind of discount are we getting on the contract?’ ” a source said. “Well, why should [Revis] give somebody a discount when he can just wait it out and get his money? It makes no sense.”
The Jets must give permission for other teams to talk to Revis’ agent first, otherwise, that falls under the category of tampering, which the NFL frowns upon greatly.
And clearly, teams are going to want an update on Revis’ physical condition or to sign him to a contract extension before they seriously talk trade with the Jets. Unless Idzik grants teams permission to talk to Revis and his people, no one is going to give the Jets much of anything outside of perhaps a sixth round pick to acquire Revis.
Given the fact Idzik has his concentration focused on something other than trading Revis, don’t expect a Revis deal to the Bucs anytime soon, if at all.
Just like Dominik is doing with Ronde Barber in trying to land Dashon Goldson, Dominik cannot wait like a lovesick school girl on Idzik to make a decision if Dominik is going to upgrade that wretched defensive backs roster of his. Time to turn the page.
Bucs fans angry at the lack of progress in the Bucs getting Revis? Direct your anger northward.
March 13th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
At this point you have to surmise they have no intention of moving him (right now), maybe they will come draft day, but as of now Revis is not going anywhere. Idzik is playing hardball and seems like the kind of GM who will hold Revis to his contract, not happy? tough!
March 13th, 2013 at 2:07 pm
Just because he’s not sitting in his desk in NY doesn’t mean Idzik can”t talk/make a trade over the cellphone. Sounds like he’s just trying to frustrate Tampa so they increase their offer just to get a deal done. AS long as the team comes away with 2 quality starting CB’s, couldn’t care who they are. At some point they have to fish or cut bait regarding Revis though.
March 13th, 2013 at 2:14 pm
Shouldnt the jets be going after revis to take a pay cut? He holds out every year when he “overperforms” right? Well he got hurt and therefor underperformed last year so…………. oh wait that wouldnt be fair
March 13th, 2013 at 2:14 pm
Totally agree, if there’s no longer movement towards a deal, for whatever reason, then it’s time to move on, and look at best available Free Agent Cornerbacks.
March 13th, 2013 at 2:15 pm
Don’t forget, Revis has already stated his contract params, he wants $16 mil a season, that is crazy money.
March 13th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
I’m assuming the Jets don’t like the Buc’s offer, but Dom needs to stick to his guns and not over pay. Force the Jets to do what they don’t want to do.
March 13th, 2013 at 2:20 pm
The nerve of this guy i swear! Holds out for more after a good healthy season. Wants even more than that after a injury plaqued season. No thanks bucs fans. Give me grimes and smith. Oh and goldson
March 13th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
We don’t Need Revis or Need the Jets, if we really want him we can bid next year all while keeping our draft picks Move on. Unless everything is being ironed out Internally
March 13th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
@BOb,
Why do you (and others) say he holds out every year? That’s simply not true. He’s held out once, didn’t miss any games, and ended up signing a very team friendly deal to get back on the field. He was the one who caved. He never once said he’s holding out this year. Get your facts straight before you blast someone.
And his season wasn’t injury plagued, he blew out his knee! I swear, the ignorance of some people blows me away. Anyone can blow out a knee, even Tom Brady.
And because I know you have no idea what the situation is, he has a no trade clause in his contract, which is why the Bucs need to talk to his agent (plus they want to extend him). I really wish people would just spend 5 minutes on google before they spout off their mouth with false information. It would make all the difference in the world.
March 13th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
Must cut the cord an run!!! Leave the offer on the table but move on,
March 13th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
Revis Revis blah blah blah….. hold out, knee injury, no-one throws to his side…these things come to mind when speaking of Revis. Hopefully, we can finally stop talking about his overpaid self. On to more pressing issues, Goldson and agent are discussing $$$ as we speak! Love it. If Im not mistaken, dont Goldson and B Grimes share the same agent….hmmmm. Could Dom be bending both ears at once? Goldson and Grimes, come to Tampa.
March 13th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
@Hawaiian,
Hard to do research on the computer when their heads are so far up …..
March 13th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
Our second and our 4th for Revis and a conditional pick next year… That’s the offer I would give the Jets. No more…
March 13th, 2013 at 3:17 pm
Hilarious too that the same people that mention Revis’s knee injury want Grimes to come to Tampa. You do realize that an older player coming off an Achilles tear is FAR more dangerous than one coming off an ACL, right? First everyone complains we don’t spend enough money, now everyone complains when we do. I just don’t get it. If we can afford the best CB in the league, then get him. If we can’t, then don’t. Some people just love to find things to complain about. I’d swear if I didn’t know any better, I would think you were my wife.
March 13th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
Honestly one guy can’t hep our putrid secondary. Why not split that money you will pay revis for two stud CB’s and keep your picks. It doesn’t make sense. How did trading high picks for grudges and k. Johnson work out?
March 13th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
“How did trading high picks for grudges and k. Johnson work out?”
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Oh, I don’t know, maybe just a little thing called the SUPER BOWL!!! Idiotic argument. LOL
March 13th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
I hope there is no progress to report. Ever. We just dropped 22 million guaranteed in the secondary. Go to Sean Smith, Derek Cox, et al.
March 13th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
“How did trading high picks for grudges and k. Johnson work out?”
Really????
March 13th, 2013 at 5:21 pm
That is the Jets for you. Losing team, losing coach, losing organization. That is why they are the Giants B*****. Tell them take a long walk on a short pier and pick up one or two of the others out there.
March 13th, 2013 at 6:54 pm
“How did trading high picks for grudges and k. Johnson work out?”
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I can’t stop laughing at this comment.
March 13th, 2013 at 10:18 pm
I for one am HAPPY Revis hopefully won’t be coming to TB. Think about it 16 million a year, not to mention if he has a double digit INT season coming off this ACL injury he’ll want to restructure to 19 million a year. Whatever Revis gets he’s never happy, PASS!!!
March 14th, 2013 at 1:41 am
well im glad i amused you hawiian buc. ihope you know i meant gruden ipad corrected it. but seriously man? yea first of all no disrespect to gru. hes a great coach. but two first and second round pick. man cmon everybody knows he won with dungys team. in regards to keyshawn did we really need him that superbowl year? we had keenan mcardell. and jurivicious (sorry for the mispell) but we also depended on the a-train and that great bucs d! think about it thats about 5 HIGH draft picks. youd have to be idiotic to not think that isnt effecting us now.
March 14th, 2013 at 3:18 am
@nicknosbucs,
You obviously weren’t a Buc fan back then. That’s just fine, but don’t pretend like you were. Keyshaun had over 1000 yards receiving that year, which made him by far our best receiver. McCardell had 670, and Jurevicious had 423. In fact, Johnson had more yards than both of those guys combined!!! LMAO at your argument. So yes, we absolutely needed K. Johnson in order to win the Super Bowl. If you were actually watching the games (which obviously you weren’t), you would know that.
Losing draft picks from 11 years ago has no effect on us now. All those guys are gone. Poor drafting has gotten us where we are today. It’s laughable to think that we couldn’t recover from a few draft picks from 11 years ago.
As for Gruden winning with Dungy’s team, normally I let Joe take care of this, but that’s complete BS. Even the players on the team have shot that down. But I guess you know better than Warren Sapp, John Lynch, and Derrick Brooks, right? Do you realize that most of the offense was different from Dungy’s year (including McCardell, Pittman, and Jurevicious, who’s first year in Tampa was the SB year)? So why don’t you go ahead and explain to me how he won with Dungy’s guys. I bet you won’t show face, because there’s no way you can argue any of these facts. And if you want to give credit for Dungy building the defense, wrong again. Guess who drafted most of ours stars. Sam Wyche. So you obviously have absolutely no clue what you are talking about, so just go ahead and admit it and that will be that. But every time you try to make a point, you just keep burying yourself deeper and deeper. Best advice I can give you is just to stop.
March 14th, 2013 at 6:18 am
@nicknosbucs
I thought “grudges” was perfect for The QB Guru , that’s what he did, he pissed off his own players and held grudges…
March 14th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
@hawiian buc. Obviously you know a lot about bucs, no argument there. With that point you are totally right I guess I know as much bucs than you do at math. But I’m not on here to diss a fellow bucs fan. We all root for the same team. That’s just a shot back. Heres the thing im 20 years old, i been watched every bucs game since 01. So yes you might be more knowlegable than me in that history. now I scoff at the point you say “we absolutely needed k. Johnson in order to win a Super Bowl.” lol seriously?did you watch the 02 rams game? That there is just an example that Keyshawn was more of a liability than contributor. Drama.
Now the draft picks… Are you serious man? I understand we sucked at drafting players at a certain time. But 5 high draft picks and you don’t think at least one would have panned out and might have changed our franchise. That’s only 20% of a chance. (a little math there for you bud) I’ll take it.
March 14th, 2013 at 12:28 pm
And thanks flmike it sure did seem that way. Lol but at least he got us in the playoffs..
March 14th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
All I can say is “Wowww,” to nickDOESN’Tnos(?)bucs. Some people just can’t keep their foot out of their mouth because they’re too distracted by how they keep falling out of the frying pan into the fire. No way to tell just who the “everybody knows” he smugly refers to is (because in reality, they don’t), but anybody who thinks Gruden won with Dungy’s team knows less about football than a pig does about Sunday. Yeah, Dungy & Kiffin had the defense set and Gruden didn’t mess with it, other than to challenge them for even more. But there were very good reasons why Dungy was let go and replaced with Gruden, chief of which was that Dungy couldn’t build a competent offense to save his life. I even remember a game John Madden and Pat Summerall were calling where Madden laughingly made the statement, “You know, when you think of the Bucs you just think nine points.” And he was right on about that: that was Dungy’s way – try to move the ball into field goal range two or three times, kick the points and then let the defense try to hold on for dear life. Again, exactly why Dungy was fired – look at the last three years of playoff history under him – 1999, we kicked two field goals for 6 points; 2000, we kicked one field goal and got blown out in the first round Wild Card game 21-3; 2001, we kicked three field goals for 9 points (whoopee) and got blown out in the first round Wild Card game AGAIN 31-9. By this time our aging defense, which year in and year out had been forced to carry the increasingly heavy burden of the entire team by themselves, were really getting fed up with how totally inept our offense under Dungy’s leadership was and how hopeless it seemed to ever win a championship unless an aging defense was able to pitch continuous shutouts. Fortunately, Malcolm was observant enough to see at this point his team getting older to the point that the window of opportunity would be closing soon if we didn’t get someone in there who could get us over the hump – and when he looked at Dungy he saw someone who for the last few years couldn’t get out of the first round of the playoffs as a wild card, unable to generate more than single digit points, and only field goals.
At this point I have to say that I disagree with just about everything you say and your assessments. For example: You don’t think we really needed Gruden, but we did. Dungy and his staff did a great job building a playoff caliber team, although it really began under Sam Wyche, who brought in the superstar talents on defense at the three levels of defense: D-Line, Warren Sapp; Linebacker, Hardy Nickerson and Derrick Brooks; Secondary, John Lynch. I will say, though, that with the exception of Hardy Nickerson, it was Dungy, Kiffin, and their position coaches (who were outstanding enough to go on to become head coaches themselves: Herm Edwards, Lovie Smith and Rod Marinelli) who were responsible for developing the players and coaching them up to the point that by 1997, and then going forward, this was a playoff caliber team. The point is, though, that like Buddy Ryan before him, who as a head coach, also built a playoff caliber team with an outstanding defense, neither Ryan nor Dungy were capable of winning at the playoff level (which ultimately is what it’s all about). Ryan was fired for it and so was Dungy. It wasn’t like Dungy didn’t have ample opportunities to succeed either. He made the playoffs four out of five years, but his playoff performance progressively got worse because of an inability to score points, yet his defense was getting older. Ownership told him to improve his offense but Dungy resisted, because he actually wanted a conservative, close to the vest, unexciting, no frills offense. Don’t forget that when Dungy went to Indy, he was brought in to make their defense respectable, but told to leave the offense alone and let Tom Moore and Peyton Manning be in charge of that side of the ball, because it wasn’t Dungy’s style, but was already up, running and successful before Dungy got there – he was brought in to bring the defense up to speed… and to leave the offense alone. But back to the Bucs. Dungy couldn’t get it done, so they brought in an offensive mind to sort of do the opposite here that Dungy was brought into Indy for: leave the defense alone but bring the offense up to speed, and that’s exactly what he did (at least at first). But you complain about how much it cost to bring him in. It reminds me of a Warren Beatty line (as Joe Pendleton in rich industialist Leo Farnsworth’s body) in the 1978 movie, “Heaven Can Wait” which was nominated for best movie of the year. In a board meeting, some guys were complaining about how much extra it would cost to catch tuna by using a method that wouldn’t hurt porpoises and they didn’t want to incur the extra expense. But Joe said, “We don’t care how much it costs – we only care how much it makes. And if it costs too much, we charge a penny more. We make it part of the gameplan: Would you pay a penny more to save a fish that thinks? (Funny, but this was a football movie, by the way). Anyway, the point is, we (at least I and some others, too, I should think) felt like we don’t care how much he cost (to bring here) – we only cared how much he made. And what he made, was a Superbowl Championship Trophy with rings for all the team, and stupendous civic pride for all of us. So would you pay two first and second round picks (plus $ 8 million of the owner’s personal money, by the way) for that Superbowl win? From what you’ve said, it sounds like you didn’t think it was worth it, so you and I couldn’t be further apart on that point, because I say it was definitely worth it because he accomplished in his first year onboard while Dungy only frustrated us and made us a national joke with his 6 points, 3 points, 9 points – one and done playoff efforts. So while you lament those “5 HIGH draft picks” as you did – I don’t sweat ’em… funny how that Superbowl Trophy made it feel all better from my point of view. Oh, and since you mention McCardell and Jurevicious… any idea how they got here? Gruden, that’s how. Like I said, he completely revamped the offense when he came here. He brought in, like, 25 players, or a little more than half the team back then. Off the top of my head I’m thinking that besides those two receivers, also TE Ken Dilger and Ricky Dudley; #1 RB Michael Pittman; Tackle Roman Oben; Guard Kerry Jenkins. Oh, and those receivers were brought in so Keyshawn wouldn’t get double and triple-teamed every play. Adding all the receiving talent he brought in made #1 WR Keyshawn a lot better, and having a #1 like Keyshawn made the other receivers better, too. When Gruden came in, our offense went from last in the league all the way up to the middle of the pack in his first year. That was the difference that pushed us over the top and won that first Superbowl.
March 14th, 2013 at 12:50 pm
Wow, what I just posted I wrote about 2:30 in the morning, but didn’t quite finish it. Now I’m home again and topped it off and posted, but now I see there was quite a bit of activity while I was gone. I don’t have time now to catch up on it all, so please keep in mind that when I wrote the lion’s share of it, the most recent post was nicknos from 1:41 AM this morning. Later.
March 14th, 2013 at 2:25 pm
Lol I didn’t realize that a simple post would get so much hatred against me. But that’s ok. Sir willie when I have a chance to read your long essay. I will defiantly read it. Because I love studying bucs history! I’m currently at work. Please check back at this post. “I’ll be back” (Arnold voice)