Cowboys Fans and Josh Freeman
February 5th, 2013
Don’t blame Joe for this. The esteemed Dallas Morning News has been pushing Cowboys fans to reveal how they feel about Tony Romo versus other quarterbacks around the NFL. Sunday was Josh Freeman’s turn, and the results wouldn’t surprise former Cowboys architect Gil Brandt, who’s no fan of Freeman.
The question posed to Cowboys fans was, “Would you rather have Tony Romo or Josh Freeman as your team’s QB? Of the 13 QBs head-to-head against Romo in this survey, Freeman had 10 other QBs land more votes.
Freeman got 26.36 percent of the vote as of this morning, a tiny bit better than Matt Schaub and Jay Cutler fared.
Of course, this doesn’t mean squat. But perception of Freeman across the NFL does factor into his value when/if the Bucs decide to re-sign him.
Who would Joe choose if he needed a QB for, say, only one game? Romo’s career record, 55-38, makes that an easy answer.
February 5th, 2013 at 9:06 am
How many games had Romo won at age 24? Was he even a starter at that age? For all the Freeman bashers, be careful what you wish for.
February 5th, 2013 at 9:12 am
Go back a year, change Freeman to Flacco and you have the same result. QB is the hardest position to learn and grow into in the NFL, especially when you’ve had multiple position coaches and OCs to start your career. Consistency of system and message will help Josh and the Bucs offense greatly next season. Hopefully we’ll be having the same conversation about him next season that the Ravens are about to have about Flacco this season.
February 5th, 2013 at 9:19 am
Romo is no more consistent than Freeman.
I’ll take Freeman any day over Romo.
Nobody ever seems to consider the defense or the other 10 players on offense when comparing QB’s, team record, and such.
February 5th, 2013 at 9:26 am
Out of all of Romo years in Dallas has he had a ower that wants to win ,or one that just one that doesn’t give a dam until last year. People keep as well as you, keep talking how bad Freeman is but don’t look at the things that has been around him.
February 5th, 2013 at 9:39 am
Romo’s a lot like Freeman … not good enough.
February 5th, 2013 at 10:30 am
Freeman guy’s want to blame the defence.What’s worse being the worst pass defence (2012)or the worst rush defence (2011).When you can’t stop the run your dead period.I don’t think we would have been much better off if we ranked 20th VS the pass and 12th vs the run.The defence has nothing to do with Josh being in the top 5 in INT 3 of his first 4 year’s.Top 10 in fumble’s 3 of his first 4 year’s.
February 5th, 2013 at 10:38 am
Freeman hasn’t made it to the playoffs yet.
I am not sure if Romo has either.
Freeman is younger.
Freeman > Romo
BUT, it does not mean that Freeman will ever grow up and become a winner. He may never become a winner.
February 5th, 2013 at 11:11 am
I remember Romo fumbling a Turtle Waxed ball in the playoffs at Seattle. Good times!
February 5th, 2013 at 11:28 am
It just goes to show that it’s pretty much just the Freebird loving goobers around here that think Josh is all that. I can’t wait till next year and Josh is still the same, consistantly inconsistant, to hear what excuses the Freeman apologist will come up with next. I don’t give a damn about his stats or what records he set for the Bucs this year. He simply didn’t get better of finish strong in the last four games of the year. By the way Romo also blows, I’ll pass on both of them.
February 5th, 2013 at 12:14 pm
Let me just say this, and not because I’m a Freeman “homie” but because I’m a Buccaneer fan 4ever. I hope Josh has a monster year next year, and not because I want him to stick it to all the haters but because I want to win. You can’t say the same for the haters, in fact you get the feeling they hope he fails and we lose just so they save face and prove they are right. Is that really a true Buc’s fan. Jus sayin’
February 5th, 2013 at 12:30 pm
I am surprised that the number wasnt 2% instead od 26%
February 5th, 2013 at 12:47 pm
I hope Josh becomes consistent because that is all that he lacks. He has all the tools and all the throws. When he is on he is a monster. He just drives you nuts with his lack of consistency from week to week. I still think he needs a TE to give him that last piece of the puzzle. Go get Eifert! Trade down and get him. I think he would be worth another 6 pts a game.
February 5th, 2013 at 12:47 pm
I hope Josh becomes consistent because that is all that he lacks. He has all the tools and all the throws. When he is on he is a monster. He just drives you nuts with his lack of consistency from week to week. I still think he needs a TE to give him that last piece of the puzzle. Go get Eifert! Trade down and get him. I think he would be worth another 6 pts a game.
February 5th, 2013 at 12:48 pm
Don’t know why that posted twice…..
February 5th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
I’d rather have Cutler or Schaub than Freeman.
Playoff resumes.
I believe in Freeman, and I hope for the Bucs’ sake that this upcoming season is the 1st of many CONSISTENTLY SUCCESSFUL campaigns.
No more next year, no more Pass D’s fault.
Sure up the D, spend the cap wisely, and draft BPA, from there Freeman will either make the change needed to be successful, or we will be another year removed from the playoffs.
February 5th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
Freeman is not a shoot out quarterback. At least not yet. Would be great if we can get help on the defensive side so Freeman doesn’t have to score 30-40 points to win games.
February 5th, 2013 at 2:05 pm
Lol nobody wants Freeman to fail. That is insane to even suggest that. But the fact is this. For the first 4 years of his career. He has failed. He has not been good enough and has not given most of us a reason to continue to support him. That is quite different than wanting someone to fail. All he has to do is give us a reason to believe again. Trip to the playoffs would be nice. Until then he just isnt good enough.
February 5th, 2013 at 2:31 pm
Well for all you saying freeman will come right like flacco skid, just remember that flacco was at least getting his team to the playoffs every year unlike freeman … Bottom line is this is the nfl, freeman has just been to inconsistent we need a good backup quarterback. He either needs to step up this year and deliver or we let him walk. This team will be Super Bowl ready in a year or two and we don’t have the time frame to develop another young quarterback. If we are going to do that it needs to be done in his draft, or else the window will close soon and we will be rebuilding again for another run.
February 5th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
PEWTERPIRATE99- It’s clear you are not a Buc fan, and I’m surprised you parade around like you are. The proofs in the puddin’–” I can’t wait till next year and Josh is still the same, consistantly inconsistant” “I don’t give a damn about his stats or what records he set for the Bucs this year”……Sounds to me that you will NOT be happy if Freeman succeeds, which EVERY Buc fan should want! Say what you want about the guy, I can’t wait myself, for him to show all you Monday morning qb’s that think you know best, and love to bash, that he is a franchise QB and you should be lucky to have him, that is….if you’re a Buc fan!!
February 5th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
I’ve been on record supporting Freeman, but in absolutely no way is he better than Romo. I’d never tell my Cowboy friends that, but we all know its true. Freeman may have more potential, but I’m kind of done with the idea of potential. Ask yourself this: which QB is more accurate? Who has won more games (and a muck better win %). Who does a better job of making something out of nothing? I do realize he makes a lot of stupid mistakes, but were any of you watching Freeman in November and December? Romo has his bad games and his head scratching moments, but he is still far more consistent than Freeman. I’m not saying lets bring in Romo, but I’m not delusional enough to believe Freeman is a better QB RIGHT NOW. I’m shocked that any of you could. I thought I was the biggest homer on this board.
February 5th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
@Machivallii
Up until two seasons ago it was the Raven’s defense that got them to the play-offs, 2011 is the season Flacco finally started to play better, hmmm, can’t be because Flacco got himself a stud running back in ’08 and new receivers to work with in 2010 & 2011, all leading up to this last season.
This is all sounding pretty familiar.
February 5th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
Can we stop with the Josh Freeman to Joe Flacco comparisons it’s not fair… Flacco is a better quarterback… Flacco had the same offense coordinator cam Cameron from 2008 all the way up until one month into the season this year… Harbaugh chose to fire Cameron and replaced him with Jim Caldwell the old head coach of Indy… In that time Flacco made it to the Super Bowl won it and got the MVP honors… We can make excuse after excuse after excuse for Josh Freeman having different Cordinator’s but that sure didn’t seem to affect Joe Flacco going from a system that he was in for almost 4 years and then switching to Jim Caldwell system which we’ve had here in Tampa by the way…
February 5th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
PS I know this started as a romo comparison but some one brought up flacco
February 5th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
So now we are comparing him to a Super Bowl MVP QB? Funniest joke I’ve heard in a while. Go ahead and look up Flacco’s stats, since he only the last two years he became a good QB. Let me know where his numbers spiked up. He is the model of consistency, year after year. It’s almost scary how similar his numbers are each season. Completions, completion %, yards, TD, INT’s, and ratings are eerily similar every single year. Freeman literally throws more picks in November than Flacco throws all season. I really wish people wouldn’t just talk out of their arse, but would actually know what they are saying first. It’s very difficult to prove a point if your facts are completely wrong. Please, for all that is right in this world, stop comparing Freeman to QB’s that are just flat out better than him in every single way. Why not compare Lebron James to Joe Johnson while you’re at it. It’s too ridiculous for words, and it needs to stop.
February 5th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
Truth is, if we won a superbowl next year, people will say it had nothing to do with Freeman.
I think people on here argue just to hear them…see themselves type.
February 5th, 2013 at 5:17 pm
One day we will have a clear picture at the QB position…
Havent seen it yet
February 5th, 2013 at 7:31 pm
Hawaiin you are one of my favorite posters on this site, but i disagree. flacco is 6’6″ qb that weighs 245 with strong arm, threw for 3817had 22 tds and 10 ints. He has never threw for 4000 yds, and his highest td passes for a season is 25. He makes most of his plays downfield. Freeman 6’6″ 245lbs strong arm makes most of his plays downfield. Last year threw for 4065 ydsand 27 tds and 17 ints. He hs twice threw more than 25 tds in year. Yeah what a dumb comparison.Flacco played on a better team his whole career, Was sanchez good when he went to afc championship two years in a row. Flacco is good but comparing it to lebron and joe johnson is dumb. Flacco is a good comparable to josh freeman. Josh is also 2 years younger.
February 5th, 2013 at 10:07 pm
This is a classic case of where stats don’t tell the whole story. Flacco has never thrown for 4000 yards, but that means very little in the big picture. Bottom line is that he puts up the number and makes the throws when he has to. More accurately, when his team needs him to. Look at what he had done in the postseason, not only this year but every year. He shines in those situations, very similar to Eli Manning. He has excellent accuracy, which even the biggest Josh Freeman supporter can’t possibly say is his strength. Do you really want to argue that Josh is an accurate QB? More accurate than Flacco? Freeman may have a great arm, but that means very little when you are one hopping throws for games at a time (not series at a time, not quarters at a time, but GAMES at at time). He goes in the most ridiculous funks of any QB I’ve ever seen. I don’t care what kind of team you have around you, when you are throwing interception after interception, the blame goes straight to you. I don’t care how old he is, he’s been a starter for nearly 4 years!!! The guys got plenty of starts under his belt, and I’m really sick of that excuse. If you really think he’s comparable to Flacco, think about what would happen if both were free agents today. How many teams would go after Flacco and how many would go after Freeman? What kind of money could each get? I guarantee you every single NFL Executive would have Flacco well ahead of Freeman. Every single one. Not one coach would choose Freeman over Flacco. Not one player in the NFL would rather have Freeman as their QB over Flacco. I know it sounds like I’m trashing him, but I’m really not. I’m just not delusional enough to believe he has done ANYTHING in his career to deserve being mentioned in the same breath as the better QB’s in the league.
And I’m telling you right now, his excellent work ethic is very much exaggerated. I know I’m telling you something without backing it up with any facts, but you’re going to have to trust me on this one. I probably wouldn’t believe me if I were you, but I know what I know. I’ll just leave it at that.
February 6th, 2013 at 6:13 pm
I agree flacco is better i just believe they are comparable, flacco has a career 59 percent completion percentage. freeman has a 58.5, so spare me the world of difference crap. I have never heard anything negative about freemans work ethic, and i would believe the local news would get the scoop before hawaiin buc.
February 6th, 2013 at 8:02 pm
@Jarrett,
Completion percentage can be very misleading. Keep in mind that Flacco has played like Freeman (meaning throwing the ball down the field) his entire career, while Freeman just did it this year. The eyeball test is all you need to know who is a more accurate passer. Freeman gets hot and he is outstanding, but when he is cold he is literally the worst QB in the league. Please try to argue that.
As for his work ethic, again, I don’t blame you for not believing me. However, perhaps you should google Boomer Esiason and see what he said about Freeman. I wouldn’t believe me either if I were in your shoes. I have a very legit reason for knowing what I know, but I will never say why. There’s a reason for that. I don’t expect you to believe me, but I know the truth. This is not the reason why, but I’ve even witnessed first hand him being the very last one in the building. I was in town for the Atlanta game, and we went to One Buc the next day to check it out. As we were taking pictures by the sign, Freeman came flying around the corner doing about 50 into One Buc. Keep in mind, he was the first player I had seen drive in for at least 15 minutes. He parked in the expectant mothers parking and ran through the museum. When we went back into the museum, the lady said he ran through because he was late for meetings. Perhaps this was a one time thing, but I guarantee you Peyton Manning has never once been the last one in a meeting, especially not the day after a loss. Even the day of the game, he was one of the last 10 players to the stadium.