Schiano Already Quitting On Freeman
December 24th, 2012
Greg Schiano quit on the first half with three timeouts in his pocket and 24 seconds left, trailing 14-6 with a 2nd-and-3 on the Bucs’ 27 yard line yesterday.
The leader of the New Schiano Order, who claimed last week that his team needs to learn how to win, threw in the towel on a chance to drive for a score. Yes, this is the same head coach who blows up offensive linemen on a kneel-down play because his team’s allegedly will always fight to the finish. Yes, this is the same head coach who repeatedly claims he’s got an outstanding field goal kicker.
So what did your team learn from quitting on the first half, Coach Schiano?
Joe learned that the head coach has no confidence in his quarterback to make a couple of plays with timeouts to burn. Every other team in the NFC South in that situation takes another shot or two. But Schiano looked at his franchise quarterback and his win-now, high-paid offense and decided to run for the locker room serenaded by a chorus of boos.
Joe could do without that kind of “culture change.”
How fitting it was that the Rams scored a back-breaking touchdown on the next play from scrimmage.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:04 am
didn’t understand that either…Did he forget the Rams were getting the ball in the 2nd half ?
December 24th, 2012 at 10:06 am
for the record the fans have quit on Freeman as well, and its a shame…two words for you Eli Manning cause the NY fans quit on him and 2 SB’s later…..
December 24th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Agree….Plenty of time for a couple of shots down the field. Not much of a gamble….not enough time for Rams to score on turnover. Schiano is too conservative for this team. Perhaps next year with a better pass defense, he will change somewhat.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:09 am
They will resign Freeman but they will bring in Schiano’s quarterback either through the draft or free agency. Next year will be a very important year for Freeman and the bucs because if he doesn’t play well the words freeman and bucs won’t be in the same sentence
December 24th, 2012 at 10:10 am
Freeman has lead the Bucs to a Bowl Game this year with 6 Wins!!!!!! He’s the Man!!!!!
December 24th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Gosh Freewoman is a POS! I hate everything about her. Should not be in the NFL.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:16 am
That wasn’t quitting on Freeman, it was more a case of admitting what Freeman is… a near useless QB.
We’d have been nearer to winning if the Bucs had taken a knee on every offensive play of the game, at least that way Josh couldn’t give the ball away.
There was every chance with the way that Josh has been playing that if we pushed for a late score at the end of the half we would have seen a TD, problem is it would have likely been another pick 6.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:16 am
I had this happen in high school near the end of the game. Coach decided we didn’t deserve to win. That’s high school though. I wish Schiano would’ve at least called for a hail mary.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:22 am
ummm 27 ticks on the clock st the time people. Not too many coaches in any division trying to drive with that amount of time left in the 1st half.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:24 am
never knew there were so many retarded fans in the tampa bay area…
December 24th, 2012 at 10:24 am
We need to position for the draft. Thats what I think Coach may be thinking too. This isnt on him right now. I’m looking at the improvements made this year over last year and see a whole lot to like. The only dislike is Freeman.
Yes, we need to overhaul the secondary, but we also need to replace Free. Coach should be playing Blount and Smith to see which one to release.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:32 am
Should have at least thrown it up in an attempt to get a pass interference call near the 20-30 yard line…..Barth can make it from there
December 24th, 2012 at 10:35 am
Raheem didn’t have enough NFL experience to be a head coach.
Schiano has NO experience!! He has never been a winner on any level
Hiring him was a mistake. He’s in over his head
December 24th, 2012 at 10:35 am
This was far less egregious than the end of the first half against the Broncos. Up 10-7, the offense got the ball after a strong defensive stand with something like 1:52 on the clock and at least 1 timeout (maybe 2). They then proceed to run 3 times between the tackles and let the clock run out.
I’m sure they must practice 2 minute drills. Why then, in an actual game situation, would you not make an effort to at least get in field goal range? I imagine Freeman took that as a slap in the face (and rightly so). I don’t think it’s a coincidence that he’s played so poorly since then.
If Schiano doesn’t think that each possession is important, why should Freeman? How about some trust and belief, coach?
December 24th, 2012 at 10:38 am
He may be Capt. but at least he’s better than Rah. Im all for giving him a pass on this year, but not Free and that secondary.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:40 am
It was chickensh*t football in a meaningless game. I didn’t pay $100 for my ticket to see that
December 24th, 2012 at 10:42 am
Uhh..pretty sure Schiano was successful at rutgers Capt. Lets not overreact
December 24th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Joe,
Just like you’re man crush on Blount, you have an opposite hatred for Schiano. Back of a little and let the guy have a few years before you write crap like this. This whole situation is more on Freeman (and I’ve been a HUGE fan) than anything. Take it easy.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:57 am
Why SHOULD the Bucs try and win anyway? What will it prove? A lower draft pick in 2013?
NOPE, better to just call the game, go home and look at film for next year’s QB in the draft.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Freeman sux is somehow Schianos fault. Joe would you trust Freeman with 24 seconds and the ball on your 24 yard line? WTF. And somehow its Sciahanos fault they let a slow ass TE run for 80 yards straight down the middle of the field. Cut me a friggin break. This team flat out does not have enough quality NFL caliber players.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:13 am
Rajah- you probably feel that way, due to limited understanding of the game. It’s pretty hard for a QB to throw a slant in the endZone, when the Defensive backs already know that’s what you are gonna do! When the defense has figured out you formations and playboy- you’ll have a lot of turnovers. When they see 3 we set to the left- they know its either a 15 yard tree out to Jackson, or a slant to Williams in the endZone! Easy to be in the right place for an interception.
Blaming Freeman, is like having someone cut your brake lines and steering lines in your car- then everyone telling you that you’re a Jackass for running into a fence.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:16 am
Joe
What’s up with you and Schiano? Several weeks ago the guy could do no wrong, and now people are ready to crucify the guy. This can’t be about the 27 seconds at the end of the first half. Is your criticism related to a compilation of things that have occurred the past few weeks or something behind the scenes that the fans aren’t aware of? Has the team quit? Is there a mutiny in the locker room? What gives?
By the way, Merry Christmas
December 24th, 2012 at 11:21 am
The dichotomy between Joes on this site is becoming more apparent. One of you is patient with Freeman and bullish on the future, despite his recent (massive) struggles. The other is pandering to the masses and reading into things to paint a very dark, depressing picture. Which is it?
December 24th, 2012 at 11:23 am
@ Tim
Its about execution. This time of year every team pretty much knows what the other will be running in certain situations aka Eagles final play. Its up to the players to execute better than the other teams players.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:25 am
I think we need to remember that this is a new regime. Schiano is still learning Freeman & vice versar. I’m not defending Freeman as he has made bad decisions that a QB with his experience shouldn’t be making. I think we do need to get used to Freeman in Tampa because looking at the market there is no one else out there that could do a better job than JF is doing right now.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:25 am
Damage Control
December 24th, 2012 at 11:27 am
@Justin & Pruritis- You guys are reading things between the lines that just aren’t there. This post, for example, is about one coaching decision in yesterday’s game. Nothing more, nothing less.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:28 am
@ Joe
How many players in the Bucs starting lineup yesterday would be starting on the Rams? Not many. How many tackles did McCoy have yesterday?
December 24th, 2012 at 11:32 am
I like how all the old pessimist posters are coming back in droves now. Shut the hell up. Do you not remember last year at all? This team hasn’t quit and that’s all I care about. I can stand behind a team that sucks as long as they play hard and that’s what schianos giving us. He’s planting seeds for the long run not for today. He’s said that from the get-go. I’m pissed we haven’t played in years but I can at least step back and look down the road
December 24th, 2012 at 11:41 am
@ Joe, I’m reading in to things? How about saying “Schiano quit on Freeman”? Don’t you think that’s reading into things? …anecdote coming….. TONS of coaches at both the college and pro football level would make the same decision Schiano made at the end of the first half. I don’t agree with it. In fact, I hate it — along with most decisions to punt on 4th and 1, regardless of where you are on the field. Nonetheless, it doesn’t mean that Schiano no longer believes in his QB and is giving up on him. Just means that he did the same thing that most coaches in his position would.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:42 am
This guy did not win the league in college. If you can not win in the big east how could you make the leap to the not for long league? He says he does not make adjustments at half time what the hell does he do check his stocks. this team is tight with #5 I think they have quit on this overpaid, over rated college second tier coach.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:43 am
Joe I agree with you…then the moron could have had 5 picks
December 24th, 2012 at 11:43 am
It blows my mind how some of you can give Free a pass on his horrible starts to every single game, which is something he’s done his entire career and give him a pass on that then jump immediately to blameing the coach. When does Free get held accountable? Yes, he’s only 24 years old. So what? He’s making millions of dollars and set to make 10s of millions of dollars next year for a guy who only plays have a dam game. I wish I could get full pay for only doing half my job lol. It’s clearly obvious Free is not an NFL QB. Next year when we go 6-10 again there will be no excuse for dumping Freeman. I look forward to seeing who Schiano brings in here to be the real Franchise QB.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:51 am
I have been a Buc fan since 1977. Many days in the sun at the old sombrero watching Bucs and Bandits games (even an occasional Rowdies game). Year after year I hear and read knee-jerking on quarterbacks. Doug Williams, Steve Young, Vinny Testaverde (ok I agreed on Testaverde) and I watch them go perform for other teams. (Dilfer always sucked and always will). This is a young kid in a new offense. Has he sucked the last few games? Oh hell yes. But I see a make-shift offensive line, no running game, receivers falling down and confidence going into the toilet. I was disappointed in the decision not to try to score also, but yesterday there was no way in hell he was going to lead us to a score in 27 seconds. Fine-tune the offense, get our stud offensive line back and let’s see what happens next year(God I have said that for too many seaons to count). Merry Christmas.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:54 am
@Mickeck
“Uhh..pretty sure Schiano was successful at Rutgers Capt. Lets not overreact”
Schiano was never able to win the Big East with a lifetime winning percentage of .501 despite scheduling the service academies every year sometimes twice. He had an excellent record against Army-Navy, I believe from memory 11-3.
A large number of wins came when Ray Rice reneged on his commitment
to Syracuse and played closer to home at Rutgers. Rice added 26 victories in 3 years and boosted recruitment for a couple more.
So without the service academies and Ray Rice, his record is right about where it is in the Pros right now.
Good point, Joe. The one saving grace about the Little General is that usually he’s too dumb or stubborn to realize when he’s lost. An amusing and almost admirable trait.
The problem with Gosh in that particular situation, he is just as liable to throw a pick 6 or take an unnecessary sack-fumble as score.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:56 am
MikeCK- no, he didn’t. His record was 68-67, against big East powerhouses, like Cincinnati and West Virginia
Funny, all the fans are quitting on Freeman.
Yet all the players are quitting on Schiano. Guess they must be a lil smarter than the coach potatoe fans! Lol
December 24th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
@Capt. Tim
Stop making up things. No player has quit on Schiano. The defense played hard yesterday as well as the offense. We lost because of lack of talent on the defensive side and Freeman playing horrible. Quit being blind and making crap up to fit your Schiano hatred mantra.
December 24th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Again, the Bucs need to quit jerking around with all these under qualified guys, and hire a real NFL coach. Jeff Fischer would have taken this team to the playoffs. Schiano doesn’t know what to do, now that every team can diagnose his plays. Looks like a Deer in headlights!
I really like Shiano. But, like Raheem, they asked too much if him! You don’t go from Tiny Rutgers, to NFL head coach, without a few stops in between. He should have been seasoned with a few co-ordinator jobs! He’s lost, and giving up.
Bad example for this young team
December 24th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
All the Free fan boys apparently have stooped to pulling excuses out of there ass to stick up for Free. Hilarious. LMAO! Defense has the best game of the season (which isnt saying much) but yet everyone has quit on Schiano? Moronic statement.
December 24th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
@Simon
“bad decisions that a QB with his experience shouldn’t be making. I think we do need to get used to Freeman in Tampa because looking at the market there is no one else out there that could do a better job than JF is doing right now.”
I like Geno Smith who treats every gave like a chess match. He also has good size, 71% completion %, 40 TD’s and 6 int. He would do a better job at half the price.
I good, solid back up like Ryan Mallett would be great as well.
December 24th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Wrong again Cappy. Theres not a coach alive that could of took this team to the playoffs with the way Josh plays. You are just sounding more and more dumb with each comment. Put the blame where it belongs. Squarely on #5’s shoulders. And the Pass D of course.
December 24th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
@Miguel
In order to get Geno we will have to be picking in the top 10. If we are picking that high I would want either a shut down corner or a QB that is efficient in the pro style offense not the option. Geno doesn’t fit what we need here. And he is no sure thing. I admire your persistance but C’mon man!
December 24th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Silence the critics- how would some dumbass, sitting on his coach, stuffing his face with potato chips- have any idea what players in an NFL locker room are doing?? Are you a Buc player? Are you a psychic?
Didn’t think so
You have no idea what you’re talking about. Stick to the chips and bean dip- you only true expertise!
Mike Florio actually goes in NFL locker rooms. He said several Buc players stated that Schiano needed to go back to the college ranks. And for good reason. Did you notice, between Pringles, that the defense was moving to where the plays were designed to go- BEFORE THE SNAP??? Because they could diagnose the play from the formation.
And no one on the side knew how to adjust.
Stick to the chips, buddy
December 24th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Oh I think I struck a nerve. Cappy. Your post are getting more and more irrelevant with each post. Your right I dont know what is going on in the locker room. But unlike you I use my eyes to see the play on the field. And yesterday the D performed admirably for most of the game which should tell anyone with an unbias eye they have not given up. Another thing you can tell from watching the game is that Free is horrible.
So while I get my facts from actually watching the game. According to your post you are blameing and accusing things about the coach that some journalist said who was to cowardly to even name the source? lmao… keep up the rambling you moronic buffoon. You amuse us you clown.
December 24th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
And instead of asking Santa for a new nacho bowl- why not ask for a book about football!! That way, you’ll have a clue about what you’re talking about!!
December 24th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Oh and by the way not sure if you realize this:
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Did you notice, between Pringles, that the defense was moving to where the plays were designed to go- BEFORE THE SNAP??? Because they could diagnose the play from the formation.
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That is more of an indictment on Freeman considering he is the only one responsible for audibles at the line of scrimmage… which is another thing he is clearly struggleing at. But I can see how you can try to spin that around on someone who isnt very knowledgeable about football to try to make a point suit your own needs.. You do get an A for effort though. But overall you FAIL!
December 24th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Silence the corn chips- an unbiased, uneducated, untrained eye!! Too busy staring at the next Chili dog to pay attention to the intricacies of the worlds most complex sport.
But don’t worry, there are a few other uninformed, fair weather friends whining and crying here, like the lil crybaby bitches they are! It’s ok. Like you thought we were going to the Playoffs this year anyway, Right?
Riiiiight!! 4-12, then 16-0. That’s how it works! Just keep slurping them wings, and showing your lack of football knowledge. Lots of other Coach potatoes crying with you!!
December 24th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
The way I look at it, Coach Shiano has probably seen enough film, practices and in game play of Free-falls to realize that he is not a QB that can be very effective in those situations…. I have come to the point that I ponder whether his QB inabilities severly handicap the play calling….
Drop him with absolutely NO REGRETS…… NEXT!
December 24th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Why am I doing this, but here goes….
Attacking other posters age such as “what are you 12?” or attacking their mental state, or attacking their …ROFL, Im just cracking up at this one, food habits HAHAHA, really sets you apart from intellectual comments.
You lose all credence and credibility by going there, so please just stop it already.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Some of you act like its the end if the world if the defense learns to adjust to the offense Bahahahahaha. News flash!!!! It’s the offenses flippin job to learn the defense and adjust to them accordingly!!! It’s not a one-sided game!!! There are plenty of QB’s out there that when they step onto the field the defense knows exactly what the hell they intend on doing yet they can’t stop them anyways!!! And when the defense does the QB doesn’t scream “but they knew what I was going to do!!” No instead they man up and say “that was my bad, I failed to adjust properly” I swear y’all make more excuses for them than they would even fathom of making for themselves.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
I don’t know why Joe doesn’t start banning kids whose “football knowledge” goes as far as the next best insult they can think of. It’s not productive and it’s childish.
December 24th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
I agree with running the clock out in that situation.When the Eagles were pushing it down the field late in the first half.I was saying why would a team with all the momentum.Take the chance of a pick-6 or anyplay that might sway the momentum.Sure enough they missed the FG and the buc’s came out of the lockerroom and owned the 3rd quarter.Remember Eli pressing late in the half oops pick 6.You only need 1 second on the clock to return a pick 6
December 24th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Seriously Joe, you have been my favorite writer for “all things Bucs” but recently, (the past few days) you have struggled with little contrast to the struggles of Josh Freeman. It seems like you are in need of professional help all of a sudden! “as goes Josh Freeman so goes Joebucsfan”??? C-mon! Read this back in the quiet of your office and tell me if this is any better than the product that Josh has put out the past 3 weeks!
December 24th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Cappy, my untrained eye sees that you have nothing else informative to share with us because you have been out witted and as a last resort to feed your ego you are now doing nothing than trying to insult me like a little child. Bwahahaha C’mon man!
December 24th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
it’s clear shiano has not yet picked up the pace, stategies or even the concept of what it takes to win in the NFL. This is not the first time, we’ve “given up” on opportunities to score. We’ve had late game melt downs in all 3 phases of the game that have contributed to losses due to coaching decisions, IMO. I’m a Shiano supporter, but I hope he’s not so stubborn not to learn from his mistakes. We are probably top 5 in long scoring plays or long passes in general…that is one of our few strengths, we have to use it when we have a chance.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:08 am
You guys can send all the chips, chili dogs and burgers my way. I don’t like Pringles though, it’s a texture thing. It sucks to lose. It sucks to suck. It sucks even more to suck and lose and only look forward to sucking again.
This team looked good early on, but after injuries and adversity, they have crumbled all over. This team has a character problem, which is a lack of leadership. Maybe it’s just gonna take more time. Great teams fight through adversity and win. This team hasn’t figured out how to do that yet and until they do they will dwell on mediocrity. Schiano needs to take a hard look in the mirror and rethink his message. He does really good things with the team but many of his tactics should be checked at the door.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:00 am
“You guys can send all the chips, chili dogs and burgers my way. I don’t like Pringles though, it’s a texture thing. It sucks to lose. It sucks to suck. It sucks even more to suck and lose and only look forward to sucking again.”
Amen BigMac