“They Are Rolling On Offense.”
November 9th, 2012
Joe simply doesn’t get the hate Bucs fans hurl at hometown guy Shaun King, one of only three quarterbacks to lead the Bucs to an NFC championship game.
One would think, the way fans embrace Leonard Johnson and (until recently) Ahmad Black, that King would be something of a hero.
The way fans treat King is akin to a hitting a pinata. Just mention King’s name and fans freak out.
Joe simply doesn’t understand the fear and loathing directed King’s way.
King, a former local radio host who is now a popular TV personality with NBC Sports Network and a FOX college football analyst, called in for his weekly appearance on the “Ron and Ian Show” heard on WDAE-AM 620 and was pimping out the Bucs offense and, in particular, Bucs offensive line coach Bob Bostad.
In fact, King said the way the Bucs offensive line played in its first game without All-Pro Carl Nicks validates his premise from before the season that Bucs rock star general manager Mark Dominik should have unloaded the Team Glazer Brinks truck (Joe saw said truck with his own eyes Wednesday at One Buc Palace) not on Nicks, but on cornerbacks Brandon Carr or Courtland Finnegan.
“They are rolling on offense. I need to make a point that when we signed Carl Nicks, I was not in favor of using those resources on him,” King said. “Ian, you can attest to this, when you have an offensive line coach [like Bob Bostad], you don’t need five pristine pennies, you just got to have a group that plays like a nickel. If you have an offensive line coach and they know what they are doing, you don’t need to have $140 million tied up in three players [on the offensive line} in Nicks, Joseph and Donald Penn. That is why i wish they would have used those resources in getting an elite corner that was available in free agency in Courtland Finnegan or Brandon Carr. You don’t have to have three Pro Bowlers on your offensive line to be efficient and effective as an offensive unit. And this is no way a knock on Carl Nicks because he is as good as advertised.”
That is a very interesting point by King. The offensive line is heavily weighted financially, which given Josh Freeman’s soon to be new contract, leaves little wiggle room for defensive additions.
Oh, and King later raved about Dominik fleecing Bill Belicheat for a fourth-round pick in return for a guy who the Bucs were not going to bring back next year, troubled cornerback Aqib Talib.
To hear the full interview with King, simply click on the little arrow below.
November 9th, 2012 at 8:43 am
because Shaun King’s body language & demeanor show that he’s a MISERABLE human being. If you give negative energy….You get negative energy back
November 9th, 2012 at 8:49 am
What? First, you can’t see body language on the radio and listening to Shaun he’s light-hearted almost all the time.
November 9th, 2012 at 8:55 am
STOP SAYING “HE LED!!!” HE DID NOTHING OF THE SORT!!! THE BUCS GOT TO THE NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME BECAUSE OF DEFENSE AND A BAD SNAP ON A MAKABLE FIELD GOAL.
SIX POINTS!!! SIX POINTS AGAINS THE RAMS!!! LED? He got DRAGGED to St. Louis against his will.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:10 am
Shawn’s center in high school was a friend of mine named Bobby. Shawn and Bobby were fiends and Bobby is very close to Shawn’s family. He still sees Shawn’s mom on holidays. When Shawn became the starting qback for the Bucs, Bobby was at the game as he has been for decades. As Shawn left the field after the first game he started, Bobby was in the stands at the tunnel yelling and waving at Shawn. Shawn looked at him and blew him off as if to say, leave me alone, I’m a pro now. Screw Shawn.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Exactly why people don’t like him… All of a sudden coz the offensive line played well without nicks he is saying they shouldnt have spent so much money on the offensive line. why didn’t he say this before. Anyways the bucs have to focus on corners next draft its just unfortunate that there few good ones coming out from what I seen from ESPNs top 30
November 9th, 2012 at 9:23 am
I’ll tell you why fans dislike him, Joe…
King had a shot and got our hopes up. We can handle a rookie losing in the championship game. That’s not where he hurt us. He got us hoping that we finally had a decent QB after so many, many years.
And then the following year he came into camp extremely over weight and out of shape. It even affected his passing ability…and he never got it back. Aside from that display of a very poor work ethic, his second year should have been spent refining his skills, his knowledge of the offense, developing as a leader, etc.
Instead it was spent trying to lose weight and going out to bars. He was a classic case of a small amount of success going to a man’s head.
And then…he get’s a radio gig locally and 90% of what he says about the Bucs is negative.
He BEYRAYED his team AND the fans. That’s why we hate him.
Look at Freeman. He has had some struggles, but none of them are due to issues of character. He works his tail off. He studies more than anyone on the team…he holds additional minicamps apart from team minicamps. He loses weight…not because he has weight issues…but because it might give him an edge.
Freeman isn’t about a paycheck or even being a starter. He wants to be the best. A HoFer when all is said and done. He wants to prove that the modern-day African-American QB cab be as good or better as a QB &as a leader than any other. He has a chip on his shoulder…without the attitude.
And I don’t believe for a second he is a partier like Boomer claims. At most I could see Freeman hanging with fellow players to help develop chemistry…but the kid isn’t even a drinker. You can bet that after Boomers comments, Josh realized appearances matter and has not gone out since.
He doesn’t just want to be great…he wants to be an example.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:25 am
My tablet did some hacking in that post.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:26 am
I don’t like him because he posts all kinds of ignorant political things on twitter. He mostly takes a negative stance on anything Bucs related (until now).
November 9th, 2012 at 9:32 am
Only thing hurting future signings in McCoy’s ridiculous contract.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:35 am
Pete, Shaun was very positive about the Bucs during his days on local radio. He was the ONLY one who called a winning season for the Bucs in 2010, and he gave details as to why. You’re just hatemongering, typical Democrat.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:51 am
I don’t see why it was Nicks OR Finnegan. Finnegan wanted to come here, and would have cost just a few mil more than Wright. Seemed like a no brainer to me to get him instead.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:52 am
I thought this clown’s domain was to tell me that Josh Freeman is the worst QB in the league. Given the fact that he himself was the worst QB in the league, I thought Joe continually referenced the guy from that perspective. Why is he commenting on anything other than the fact that Josh can’t play. Pretty weird stuff.
November 9th, 2012 at 10:03 am
Because he is a hoodrat. Always has been and always will be.
November 9th, 2012 at 10:05 am
I do give King his props for having played some good games in his rookie year after both the starter and backup QB went down but it was the defense that got us to that championship game and who gave us a legitimate chance to win it which was ours for the taking. That loss still hurts me today when I think about it. With that said I do agree with King that a Pro Bowl lineman is not needed if you have a good O line coach. I would have rather the team spend the money on a legit shut down corner. GO BUCS!
November 9th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Dougernaut!!
November 9th, 2012 at 10:12 am
I don’t dislike Shaun King and I certainly don’t hate him. I just rarely agree with what he says. But he’s not the only analyst I disagree with, It’s the nature of opinion-based media. I simply choose not to make it personal.
Pete may be right in his reasoning behind King’s motivation. Shaun is probably like all of us – we tend to see things from a perspective shaped by our own experiences. That often times, when expressed as opinion, comes off as bias.
For example, his criticism of the Nicks signing – There is an equal opportunity to praise how well the O-Line has played without him as there is to suggest that the money would have been better spent on the secondary. Shaun chooses the latter because the secondary, but for unforeseen circumstances is playing badly.
He doesn’t believe he was treated with the respect he feels he deserved for his time playing for the Bucs and when things weigh against the Bucs, he seizes the opportunity to opine and rarely does the opposite. He is the direct opposite of a fair-weather liberal, he is an ill-weather illiberal. That makes fans and supporters loathe to read his comments and therefore dislikes the person.
November 9th, 2012 at 10:31 am
Just a few weeks ago he was saying Josh Freeman needs a shrink. Now he’s bloviating about how the offense is rolling.
November 9th, 2012 at 10:39 am
The secondary isn’t playing badly for ‘unforseen circumstances’. Plenty of us have been saying for several years now that the secondary is a disaster.
November 9th, 2012 at 10:40 am
Kennedy Says: November 9th, 2012 at 9:35 am
Pete, Shaun was very positive about the Bucs during his days on local radio. He was the ONLY one who called a winning season for the Bucs in 2010, and he gave details as to why. You’re just hatemongering, typical Democrat.
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Nothing I said was untrue. You clearly, like others of your elk, have your head buried in the sand. As far as hatemongering…two things wrong with your statement…first, you are the one that crossed that line, not me.
Second, if I were hatemongering I would not have said complimentary things about Freeman. You need to educate yourself.
And btw…you ARE aware that the Republicans wanted to INCREASE military spending, even though the wars are the primary cause of the country’s debt? Or that the president you consider a hate or war mongerer won the nobel peace prize while in office?
You say things that facts contradict. Stop listening to Rush and look up facts for yourself. Don’t be a drone.
November 9th, 2012 at 10:51 am
Pete,
Two things:
1) I’m a Democrat, my father was a paid staffer in Georgia for John Kennedy’s final campaign. But I can still abhor that my party has too many negative nancy’s spewing hate speech and negativity, including our president. …So your assumption is way off.
2) You wrote: “And then…he get’s a radio gig locally and 90% of what he says about the Bucs is negative.” … Listening to Shaun daily there was no question he was very positive (at least 50/50) and he made it very clear to all that he was a lifelong Bucs fan.
November 9th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Meh,
Help me understand! Are you saying you knew that Talib would take Aderall and be traded before season end? Did you also know that Gaitor would go down? Did you know that Wright had chronic back spasms and that he too would allegedly take Adderall and possibly be suspended? Would you have signed Asomugha as did Philly and how’s that working out for them? What is your definition for an unforseen circumstance? Wainting to hear your response!
November 9th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
I swear some of you on this site just have your head up your ass. So just because King wasn’t a good player means his analysis anything regarding the Bucs is meaningless? Hey……..you guys love Steve White. He wasn’t anything special as a Bucs player was he?
November 9th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
I knew Talib was not a very good corner even when he was in there. I knew Wright was not the answer. I knew Myron Lewis should have never been drafted. I STILL have not seen anything from Gaitor that encourages me. I did not see Leonard Johnson doing well though.
Basically, the secondary has been a disaster for YEARS now and we haven’t done half of what we need to. And yes, it has been obvious for YEARS now.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
And Pete, I voted for Obama (twice), but the peace prize he got is a joke. Really.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
I believe the European Union just got the Nobel Peace Prize, another bad joke.
November 9th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
I thought Barry Soetoro (aka Obama) found that Nobel Peace Prize in his old storage locker he shared with Frank Marshall Davis?
November 9th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
King speaks with arrogance while Steve White has a light-hearted, humble, but incredibly detailed approach.
November 9th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Talk show hosts crack me up. Of course now it seems like a bad idea paying that much for offensive lineman now. Lets rewind to the offseason.
The team is in flux. We are trying to figure out if Josh Freeman is a legitimate franchise quarterback or if we should move on. The most important thing arguably in the NFL is talent at Quarterback. So Mark Dominik had to do everything he could and give Josh as much opportunity as possible to become the Franchise Quarterback we hope he will become. Is Mario Williams, or Cortland Finnegan or Brandon Carr going to help you do that ?? Of course not.
It looks like we overspent now but did anyone know that our Offensive Line Coach could make that line good enough to give Freeman ample time to torch Oakland’s secondary and Doug Martin room to run for 251 yards and 4 TDs. Of course not. Hindsight is 20/20 and many talk show hosts make their money pissing folks off if they didn’t no one would listen to them.
Shaun King contributed to us winning the Superbowl therefore I like him as a player. However, there are lots of players on that team I like(d) more. One of my happiest moments as a BUCS fan was the feeling I got when Ronde got the Pick-6 in Philly with 4 minutes left in the 4th Quarter.
GO BUCS and thanks Ronde and all the Folks who helped us win that Superbowl. Hopefully in a few years we will Hoist the Lombardi Trophy Again !!!!
November 9th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Meh its nice to hear a real buc fan sometimes. Go Real Buc Fans..
November 10th, 2012 at 9:08 am
The only thing I can say about him is that I lost respect for him when he showed up late to the locker room for the Steelers game and got lit up in that game. He was the starting QB and showed pathetic leadership showing up the way he did. He played awful. I haven’t forgotten that. He hasn’t shown much since with his legal problems, either.