Fleeced!
November 3rd, 2012
The Boston Globe quotes anonymous league executives stunned by the bounty the Bucs scored for Aqib Talib
Joe had fun Friday listening to and reading the various chatter from the annoying Boston media and fans.
So what’s their general consensus on the Aqib Talib trade?
The Patriots got fleeced by rockstar general manager Mark Dominik, highway robbery for a fourth-round pick unless the Patriots win the Super Bowl. If the Pats score a ring with Talib, well, then it’s all good, says the New England faithful.
Boston Globe NFL writer Greg Bedard is in that camp. In a column yesterday, he also shared what he learned about how league executives are buzzing after the trade.
“Are you kidding me?” one AFC personnel executive said when told of the terms. “A fourth-round pick for a character risk? How was Tampa Bay able to land that price? Who were (the Patriots) competing against?”
Another AFC executive said “it all depends” on if the Patriots win the Super Bowl.
“It’s a desperation move but the guy is lockdown corner, a good player,” he said. “Good press cover guy. But a complete and utter fool as a person.”
Joe finds it interesting that so many think the Bucs nailed a steal in this deal. But just like everything in the NFL, the true value of a trade is revealed on the field. A fourth-round pick is no assurance of anything, and the loss of Talib thins out the Bucs’ secondary to an alarming state.
Don’t think it’s alarming? Greg Schiano said Friday that Myron Lewis is among the cornerbacks that need to get on the field.
November 3rd, 2012 at 1:07 am
“Greg Schiano said Friday that Myron Lewis is among the cornerbacks that need to get on the field.”
-AAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
November 3rd, 2012 at 1:19 am
Myron Lewis and Reejus Benn: 2 big athletic cases of, “look like Tarzan, play like Jane”.
November 3rd, 2012 at 1:21 am
But Myron has a on of potential Joe and he looks real good in practice…
On a serious note, cornerback will have to be addressed in the offseason for sure. Maybe the rockstar can work his back room magic again next draft and use a 4th to get another 1st like last year. Sure up corner and then grb a pass rusher or o lineman.
November 3rd, 2012 at 1:30 am
Stats don’t lie, and Talib is FAR from the shut down corner some in Tampa think he was. In Baseball, talib would be known as a free swinging quasi home run hitter. Sure, when he connects he hits homers, but he strikes out much of the time.
True, Talib has had some flashy interceptions in Tampa. But for every flashy interception, it is forgotten how much he got beat.
Dominik needs to be arrested for Grand Theft, for what he did to the Patriots.
November 3rd, 2012 at 1:34 am
Just another great move by Dom and one of the resins I really like having him in Tampa. I know a lot of fans have issues with some of the draft “busts” but Dom can wheel and deal with the best of them. Let Schiano decide the personnel moves and let Dom go out and work his magic to get them.
I think we might have a great tandem in one Buc right now.
November 3rd, 2012 at 2:44 am
To trade that guy off the team and get anything for him was a great move. Congrats front office. Lets finish strong, draft strong, maybe we’ll see a winner next year.
November 3rd, 2012 at 4:35 am
The RockStar hit a perfect high note on this one (while wearing VERY revealing skinny jeans). And the encore will be another great draft while we use that pick to move up and grab a key starter.
November 3rd, 2012 at 7:03 am
I’ve never seen so much talk over a 4th round pick. I bet I could go back and look at most of the Bucs #4 and see a bunch of unemployed football players. There are some successes, but lets not make a big deal over middle round picks. The Pats can afford to give a couple once in awhile for a risky player like Talib.
November 3rd, 2012 at 7:29 am
Impressed they got anything for Taliban, not so sure Dominik will draft a good player with that pick though. Bucs have the worst secondary in the league now. Overpaid for a average corner in Wright and have a bunch of middle round picks and undrafted free agents trying to cover elite receivers.
Even Shaun King would light up this secondary. Bucs offense will def need to out score teams to keep winning.
November 3rd, 2012 at 7:40 am
I still see some people dont get it, its not who we are picking with that 4th rd pick, its what we can do with it….that 4th rounder can be packaged and get us an earlier pick Morgan.
November 3rd, 2012 at 8:38 am
Morgan,
Mike Williams was drafted by Dominik in the 4th round
other 4th rounders by Dom,
2009 – Kyle Moore (plays for Bills)
2011 – Luke Stocker
November 3rd, 2012 at 8:46 am
how can all of you say he is a rockstar??? He is taking 1st and 2nd round picks and trading them later for low picks and we are getting hardly any field production. Let alone that fact that he is been picking very high in the draft.
I guess everyone that purchased a house then had a short sale we can start calling them rockstars too.
please tell me when the bucs finish greater than 3rd and 4th in the division.
November 3rd, 2012 at 9:34 am
Let’s stop patting Dominick on the back for a minute and look at the horrible position they are in now. The secondary is so thin and nobody was brought in to fill these holes. Good passing teams are going to continue to torch the Bucs defense until this is resolved. It’s a passing league. If Dominick was good at using 1st round picks the Bucs would be in a better position let alone 4th round picks.
November 3rd, 2012 at 10:01 am
Agree with most that getting a 4th for Talib was a good deal for the team, but getting the pick is only half the equation. Won’t know who wins in this trade for a few more years ’til we see how that 4th rnd pick & Talib perform for their respective teams.
November 3rd, 2012 at 10:05 am
So what if our secondary is horrible? That makes the other guys one dimensional. Even the worst defense can succeed when you know what is coming every time. That is why great quarterbacks beat us and bad ones dont, but we have a chance to win every single game and thats not gonna change now. I’m more worried about our O-line now.
November 3rd, 2012 at 10:43 am
The draft is looking pretty obvious right now:
Rd 1 – CB
Rd 2 – D or O line
Rd 3 – D or O line
Rd 4 – D or O line
Rd 4 – CB
exaggerating, but not far from the truth
November 3rd, 2012 at 10:45 am
Chris@Apple Roof Cleaning
Talib is BJ Upton on the field. Aggravating at how good he COULD be but will never be better than he is.
Don’t get me wrong though, I love BJ (no pun intended). He is a good guy and I hope he stays with the Rays.
November 3rd, 2012 at 11:00 am
Talib has always been overrated by Bucs fans and he’s been given way too many passes, not only for his off-field behavior but for his failure to live up to his draft position and “potential”. Sure he’d lock down a good WR every once in a while, but for the most part he was easy pickings for good QBs and good WRs. Wildly inconsistent and unreliable. That was Talib.
Did you catch Schiano’s post-practice press conference yesterday? He hinted that part of the reason they released Talib was they felt after reviewing his play the team would actually be better off without him. Watch the video and listen closely to his words.
It’s clear as day once you read between the lines of what he says. He said it wasn’t just an organizational decision but it was also a FOOTBALL decision. He felt it was best for the team and he wanted guys like Biggers, Johnson and Lewis getting more playing time as he felt they were improving to the point where game experience is absolutely essential for them.
Go back and watch Talib’s performances this season. He was horrible. Not just average, but BELOW average. Anyone who can watch with an unbiased opinion will see this. He wasn’t helping the Bucs on the field and that’s just the plain facts. Getting a fourth round pick for a guy who they were gonna let walk anyway after the season, and who in the here and now was a liability in coverage, was a great job by Dominik.
November 3rd, 2012 at 11:42 am
If the bucs would of got a gud corner years ago to help talib..nah Dom&Rah ship buchanon off the year they got talib bring in elbert mack sammie davis ej biggers haha
November 3rd, 2012 at 11:54 am
Talib is the best corner the bucs has ever had besides tjack..If tanard jackson was high during those games wat does that say about the rest of the team..he played better them all them scrub db’s on his worst day..joe keep it realistic
November 3rd, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Wow I am so glad I checked in this morning having some greast laughs. Wish I would have read the stories bottom to top, but oh well.
Lockdown corner? Who said he is a lockdown corner? Go ask Hakeem Nicks and see if he doesn’s fall out of his chair laughing.
@SteveK nailed it Myron look like Tarzan plays like Jane!!lol
@SacBucs you must be high or joking around, or your criteria for best Bucs defensive backs has to include drug addicts. TJack and Talib the best Bucs secondary ever….Really? No Ronde Barber or John Lynch? I think you are joking, but if you aren’t you should stop toking!
November 3rd, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Agree @FBinD,
Being that this year especially seems to be the team-building year-one of the Schiano era, it appears that finding out what they have in the young guys would be a priority the rest of the year. As Coach and others have mentioned previously, they’re making decisions based more on what players have done on the field and on film since this staff has arrived than what the players have done in previous years. Makes sense that they’d want to get a longer look at Lewis, Johnson, etc so they can make informed decisions in the off-season regarding those guys.
November 3rd, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Correction to my post; did not mean addicts(Talibs case) meant drug related suspensions.
Also keep smoking hell I live in Colorado where recreational pot is about to become legal on election day. Just wait 2-3 hours afterwards before you comment or drive.
November 3rd, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Real buc fans remember those games getting steamed rolled by greenbay ahmad green antonio freeman javon walker abusing our corners..moss carter rob smith..we traded wit chicago 1-1 because there just getting receivers now..i hated to see monte put rhonde on herman moore just to get out jumped endzone touchdown..Monte is responsible for rhonde hof career sneeking him on the blitz and playing him inside. He took advantage of his oppurtunity. Hate the truth
November 3rd, 2012 at 12:47 pm
I was joking about tanard..lol but him and jermaine phillips for one year broke every tightend tnat came across our middle then next year we try and make maine a linebacker real buc foreal…if he was high colorado buc… wat does that say
November 3rd, 2012 at 12:57 pm
SAPP=MY HEART BROOKS=MY SOUL LYNCH=MY BODY BARBER=MY MIND REAL BUC FOREAL DONT EVER QUESTION IT..ITS BUCS4LIFE ITS ALL I KNOW..JOE
November 3rd, 2012 at 1:07 pm
The funny thing is that for all laughable “Rockstar GM” talk the roster is in the shape it’s in because, of the Non Rockstar. Yeah he’s made a few hidden gem picks like Mike Williams in the 4th, and a free agent pickup in Blount.
But for all the analyst (John Lynch) and media members who’s job it is to follow this team and report about it, everyone says depth is a problem. That falls on the GM’s lap. Rockstar GM’s don’t have paper thin depth at key positions in a passing league.
November 3rd, 2012 at 1:12 pm
aqib talib = deangelo hall. naturally gifted underachieving knucklehead who is eventualy not worth the trouble. his career will go downhill fast after the patriots let him walk this offseason
November 3rd, 2012 at 1:21 pm
@Colorado Buc..John Lynch to this day he will admit he wasnt the fastest guy. He just knew his assignment didnt get beat deep if he did he made u pay next time you came on a slant or crossing route..plus he is a safety i said corner..tjack shooda played corner for us he was a ankle tackler.but nah keep scrubs playing db
November 3rd, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Yeah and now that talib and hall are gone steve smith can go back to beating up our cb instead of his own..we need a thug to due battle wit a thug..ej biggers smiling aint scaring nobody.
November 3rd, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Freeman, Miller, Mccoy, M. Williams, Clayborn, Bowers, Foster, Barron, Martin, L. David. Brought in V. Jax, Nicks, Wright, Koenen, and Barth. Every GM has hits and misses but Mark Dominik has improved this team. Depth is an issue for most teams in the NFL. Even if it hurts us for the rest of the year we got more for him now then we would have in the offseason. The guy was a bad gambler, suspect tackler and frequently let backs get outside of him in the run. Good riddance.
November 3rd, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Wouldn’t it be funny if Talib was a genuine 1st rounder who just never had quality coaching. What if he blossoms in NE?
This has been a busy week for Talib, I wonder what he’ll say when he realizes that the Bucs screwed him out of over $400,000.
He kept quiet thinking the Bucs were going to make good on those 4 missed paychecks and then he gets shipped off to New England. Surprise!
November 3rd, 2012 at 2:57 pm
No Miguel, he screwed himself out of 400,000 by taking a drug without a prescription. He knew better. So do you expect the Bucs to not trade him to NE because they want him to get paid fairly? Apparently you’ve never run a business before.
November 3rd, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Sacbuc,
I’m not trying to be the grammar police here, but if you don’t spell half your words correctly or use any form of punctuation, it makes it nearly impossible for anyone to understand what you are writing. From what I can decifer, it looks like something has fried your memory. Best of luck with that.
November 3rd, 2012 at 4:07 pm
If it was mentioned somewhere I missed it, who did we add to our active roster?
November 3rd, 2012 at 4:15 pm
And Miguel, the Bucs couldn’t pay Talib even if they wanted to. It was a league mandated suspension, so if they were to pay him, they would be violating the rules. Sometimes you need to learn more before you open your mouth.
November 3rd, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Hawaiian you are the police for this site! Im new and even i know that! Ask Miguel. Better! You satisfied einstein
November 3rd, 2012 at 5:48 pm
Hawaiian since your grammer so good you tell me what i mispelled know it all..,Mr.Perfect
November 3rd, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Due = do
wit = with
foreal = for real
steamed rolled = steam rolled
there = they’re
rhode = Ronde
wat = what
tnat = that
gud = good
Like I said, I don’t care about your grammar, but it takes a damn code reader to understand what you are saying. If you wonder why Joe doesn’t respond to anything you write, that’s the reason why. Take your time, collect your thoughts, and try to write so the rest of us can understand you.
November 3rd, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Memory hawaiian i been wishing for a decent corner since ricky proehl jumped over brian kelly in the nfc championship game..memory haha..Come again. Your insults cant push me silverspoon!
November 3rd, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Ooh do you correct everybodies english teacher. sorry my homework was incorrrct plus im typing on a little screen professor. Who cares if you read my post by pass it! Joe can read let him tell me that police. I just got here you want me banned like u try to get miguel cut..Hater
November 3rd, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Ok, I’ll go there with you. Calling me silver spoon? I’m assuming that’s because you think I was born with a silver spoon in my mouth? Why, because I know how to write? Because I have an education? So are you saying that people with an education are born into money? Not only is that stupid and a terrible stereotype, but it’s flat out wrong in my case. Your way of thinking is an embarrassment to all those who came from nothing and have worked to get a good education.
And why are your little panties in a wad because Ricky Proehl made a play? Last I checked he was a damn good receiver on one of the best offensive teams in the history of the NFL. How many points did the Rams score that game? But yeah, I’m sure all of our corners were awful, even though we consistently had one of the best defenses in the NFL. Or I guess it was all because of Monte helping Ronde get lucky?
I was actually trying to let you know why Joe isn’t responding to you, because you keep asking him for a response. That’s the last time I try to help you out. I’ll just be like everyone else – I’ll read your post, laugh, and shake my head at what you write.
November 3rd, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Besides, you asked me what you misspelled. I just did what you asked. Be careful what you ask for.
November 3rd, 2012 at 6:44 pm
I have been reading this site since march. I just found it smart guy! I have read mispelled words run on sentencing you name it..Did i stop to correct them no grammer cop but u wana tryta check me copper.lol im your huckleberry! I don’t lie on people so its a question. Hawaiian was you the one who came down on a poster for using the word “and” to much? Lol professor keen bean
November 3rd, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Yeah it was monte.proehl made that play wit minutes on the clock. If i sound stupid to you and your band of follower thats cause u think u better then somebody..everybody get a opinion live with it like it our love..i rite my post like a short hand txt message..getta grip dude.hang lose
November 3rd, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Can you read what I’ve said 3 times already? I was just telling you because your writing is nearly impossible to understand, and there is no way Joe is going to decifer your code in order to respond.
And I have absolutely no idea what this means: “but u wana tryta check me copper.lol im your huckleberry! I don’t lie on people so its a question.”. I would answer your question if I understood it, but for the life of me I can’t.
And no, I didn’t come down on a poster for using the word and too much. I can handle misspellings and run on sentences, but you take those to a whole different level. Again though, I was just trying to help you out as a newbie to this site, but apparently you are just going to continue to get defensive about it.
November 3rd, 2012 at 7:00 pm
I’m done with you Sacbucs. It was fun for a while, but you are just embarrassing yourself with each post. I don’t want to pile on anymore. Aloha.
November 3rd, 2012 at 7:03 pm
That offense u spoke of hawaiian..It was BRUCE HOLT HAKIM And MARSHALL..KURT WARNER..PROEHL has never been the goto guy..3rd string at best unless somebody got injury. The point was we have been torched since then professor.
November 3rd, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Its good hawaii aloha..i did that mispelling on purpose..i understand you..Joe dont have to respond..just do what i said please.
November 3rd, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Of Myron has to play we are screwed
November 3rd, 2012 at 7:54 pm
If
November 4th, 2012 at 3:50 am
Aqib Talib is not lock down corner…at best he has been average this season…coming out of college i agree he was very good the first few years..then he dropped off..idk how one of the sources said he was a lock down corner..i’d rather take my chances with Lenard Johnson. this guy has shown some great skills..i’ll take rookie that has upside then someone guy with to many run in with the law….worst come to worst this upcoming draft we will shore up our secondary…I no longer a fan of Talib