Knock Off The Geno Smith Talk
October 8th, 2012
Regulars on this here corner of the interwebs know Joe is a footballholic. On Saturdays, Joe can be found vegging on his couch virtually all day, inhaling copious amounts of beers while soaking in college football from noon to midnight (and sometimes, beyond).
Joe has become enmamoured with West Virginia and its video game-like offense, engineered by wonderful senior quarterback Geno Smith.
This past Saturday, Joe started a bonfire of sorts on Twitter when Bucs fans, who apparently were watching West Virginia and Smith slice up the Texas defense, began Twittering Joe about the possibility of the Bucs drafting Smith next April in the NFL draft.
Simply put, if Josh Freeman is still on the Bucs roster next spring, there is zero chance the Bucs draft Smith, which from the responses Joe received on Twitter, did not sit well with Bucs fans.
Look, there just is no way the Bucs will Pearl Harbor Freeman by drafting Smith. It simply isn’t going to happen. Plus, the Bucs are not going to be paying major cash to Freeman, a high first round draft pick, and have another high first round draft pick, Smith, sit on the bench behind him.
Besides, put yourself in the shoes of Bucs rock star general manager Mark Dominik. Does anyone with a sober mind actually expect Dominik to walk into the posh office of Team Glazer and try to explain to Team Glazer, “You know, all that cash you spent on Freeman, I guess it might be a waste. However, if you pull out your checkbook again, with maybe more cash, you could land Geno Smith.”
Short of Dominik totally selling out Raheem Morris, there is zero chance Dominik is going to lobby for Smith. It just isn’t going to happen.
Another element to think of: Does anyone — rationally thinking — really believe Greg Schiano will tank the rest of the Bucs games so the team has a shot of drafting Smith? Please.
For some reason, Bucs fans have to have a player to hate. First it was Barrett Ruud, then it was Gerald McCoy, now it seems to be Freeman.
Freeman’s current contract ends after the 2013 season. And no, the Bucs have not given up on Freeman.
So please put the thoughts of Smith coming to the Bucs out of your mind. It isn’t happening.
October 8th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
@Joe,
Sorry Joe, but a part of me wishes the Buc’s will tank the season and draft Geno Smith. I’ve lost faith in Freeman’s ability to grasp the concepts of a starting NFL franchise QB. The biggest indicator I’ve seen to support this argument is the glossy eyed Deer in the headlight look where he freezes and stops thinking.
October 8th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
If the Bucs were in a position to draft Smith, there’s a pretty good chance another team would give up multiple #1’s + … to swap with the Bucs, which would help Tampa get better in a hurry. That being said, would like to see Dominik grab a QB to develop in the draft next year. I like what Washington did grabbing Cousins this year, even though they had RGIII in their pocket. If the Bucs were to grab another young QB to develop and Josh develops into a consistent starter, it just gives you another asset to possibly deal down the road.
October 8th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Joe, Exactly what has Freeman shown in the last 14 games that makes you think they should keep him? His contract is about to run out, and I’m sure there is a team or teams out there dumb enough to offer up a 2nd round pick for him, possibly even a 1st, if he keeps his INTS. down that we could use to move up and take Smith.
Why on earth do you want to see us wallow in mediocrity for ANOTHER 4 or 5 years with Freeman? Your loyalty seems extremely misplaced. Most of us here are loyal to our TEAM, not individual players, or at least not individual players that under-perform regularly!
October 8th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Not saying that the QB should be a #1 pick though. Washington seems to have gotten good value with Cousins in the 4th, would think maybe grabbing someone like Boyd, Murray, Manuel or Nassib in the 4th-5th would be an option. Curious to see how it plays out.
October 8th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Yeah if Geno was on the board while the Bucs were up I couldn’t see them passing him up. Of course this all depends on if Freeman stops regressing and improves but if he continues playing like he has been I see no reason why the Bucs wouldn’t take him.
Also we all know Schiano is a fan of his Big East competition. He drafted Goode and Tandy and also picked up a few of his Rutgers players. I bet Schiano has an eye for Geno and he appears o have some of the qualities Schiano likes in a QB. He has yet to throw a pick this season, he’s the unquestioned leader of that team, and he knows how to slide when he takes off and runs.
Joe you have to admit, if he’s on the board we will take him.
October 8th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Its simple then Joe, just do not resign freeman! Afer all he is in a contract year and still playing like crap!
October 8th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Technically, Freeman isn’t in a contract year. He is under contract for next season. And, what makes everyone think the Bucs will be in position to draft Geno Smith? If he is so good, why would it be automatic that they could even trade up to take him? If he is so sought after, there would be competition to trade up and get him. Unless the Bucs have the first pick in the draft, accept it, it’s not happening.
I agree with Joe. Why do Bucs fans need someone to hate on at all times? It appears to have moved on to Freeman, and the haters don’t want to acknowledge that the Bucs’ lack of a competent running game has been the biggest offensive flaw thus far.
October 8th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Wow Joe, way to throw a bucket of cold water on Tampa Bay fans who might think Josh is not the guy.
October 8th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Look, there just is no way the Bucs will Pearl Harbor Blount by drafting Martin. It simply isn’t going to happen.
Look, there is just no way that the Bucs will draft a QB that throws 5 TD’s per game and compares the game of football to chess. Who could root for some high brow egghead who’s IQ is twice that of the Buc’s head coach and OC combined.
Let’s just tear up Freeman’s contract and pay him Payton Manning money ($95M) and lock him up for 5 more glorious years of sell out crowds and playoff glory.
October 8th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
I don’t hate Freeman, I do know him. I just use my eyes to watch his play and look at his stats. He isn’t performing well. As a an of Tampa I would rather the Bucs have a qb that can play well. Doesn’t need to be the next Manning but at least serviceable. Freeman has played decently in 4 or 5 quarters out of 16 this year. I just don’t think that is good. He still has fundamental flaws to his game. Just read any article that references him, their are 100 people saying he has 100 different issues he needs to improve on.
Some articles claim he’s confused, he’s too inaccurate, he cant read defenses, he can’t make short to intermediate passes, he can’t go through his progressions, his footwork is sloppy, he’s skittish, he has no pocket awareness, he doesn’t have the ability to audible at the line. He’s just not playing well and hasn’t been improving even slowly. The argument could be made he has regressed. The goal for any team is to improve and wether you like Free personally or not, if he can’t improve and help the team win then why would we continue to let him start next year?
October 8th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Bottom line: 12 games left for Freeman to prove he’s the future here.
October 8th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
That should read *I don’t know him. Sorry typo.
October 8th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
WV runs the spread, lets take a look at QBs who run the spread in college then get drafted, best/worst case is Newton, he looked great his rookie season running the Auburn version of the spread, this season he looks like CRAP, why? Because he is being forced to leave his college system behind and adapt to the PRO system, and he’s having trouble adapting, the same thing is happening to RGIII, the SKins let him run his Baylor No Playbook Offense for the first 4 weeks, but they have also added aspects of their offense and you can clearly see the plays he is more comfortable running. Trying to convert a spread QB to the Pro style system is a big project, if you aren’t happy with Freeman who is in his 3rd system counting his K-State system in 4 years, you are rally gonna hate any spread QB we would draft. I didn’t even mention the other spread QBs who completely failed to make the jump (J.Russell and VY come to mind)
October 8th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Joe,
You wrote this: “For some reason, Bucs fans have to have a player to hate. First it was Barrett Ruud. Then it was Gerald McCoy. Now, it seems to be Freeman.”
How could you forget about LeGarrette Blount last year? But I guess we don’t hear much of the LeGarrette Blount complaints from fans anymore, since each game proves more and more how much the Bucs need him.
October 8th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
It doesn’t look like we have to tank anything in order to land him we might end up picking top 5 regardless
October 8th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
I was a freeman supporter, but it kills me to see how horrid our off. is. It seems like every other team’s off. can move the ball except the bucs. I keep seeing how inaccurate freeman is, how he stares down his targets, and his decision making isn’t great. I starting to believe 2010 was a fluke! I don’t know what to think, rather its freeman or play-calling. I just don’t think freeman, despite his physical tools, has the mental makeup of a franchise qb. imo
October 8th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Meh I agree 100%. Sanchez was drafted in the same class and they have already brought Tebow in to light a fire under him and take his job if he keeps performing bad. Free has had no competition. By the end of this season he will have 4 seasons under his belt and I’ve seen a lot more promising players lose their starting job a lot faster than that. Right now he isn’t cutting it but maybe he can get it together by seasons end. If not, start looking to the future. For those who say he needs more time, how much should he get? 6 years? 8? 10? In an era where starting QBs are expected to come in and instantly perform like Stafford, Ryan, Luck, Tannehill, RG3, Cam Newton, Ponder etc. How long do we sit here waiting for the awesome potential Free has to become realized?
October 8th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Let’s play a hypothetical game about Freeman. Say the Bucs finish somewhere in the 6-10 range and (as another JBF article points out) the Chiefs are interested in Freeman after the season and he is interested in them. What do the Bucs do then?
They won’t be able to get a top QB in the draft with that record. They could franchise him (and make him ridiculously overpriced) or they could let him walk and have no QB. If they somehow wanted to trade him to KC…for what? Matt Cassel?
And before someone says it: nobody is giving up a first round pick for Freeman…it isn’t happening.
The Bucs are actually in a pretty bad spot here.
October 8th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Also the whole “he has had to learn new offenses ” excuse doesn’t fly with me. Miami has a new coach and a rookie qb and they have the 12th ranked offense going into last week. Coaches and Coordinators come in and out all the time in the NFL, if you can’t deal with it and perform to a serviceable standard at least, then you can’t be successful in the NFL.
October 8th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
@JBrooks
thw Miami O is the EXACT offense Tannehill ran in college, being OC’d by his college headcoach, that is why he was drafted by Miami
October 8th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
the 2010 season was the worst thing that happened to us as fans, imo. It gave us hope and also bought freeman 2 or more years. after watching last season and the first quarter of this season, i can already tell freeman is not who we thought he was. The proof of that is the rookie qbs that are doing well now. It is either bad play-calling or freeman, or more than likely both!
October 8th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Sure, the Geno Smith thing is a bit out there (at this point), but the fact remains we’ve got to get a QB.
October 8th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Joe is right about everyone wanting a player to hate. What that really means is those people genereally don’t understand football and want to point blame at a single source for team woes. Freeman deserves a fair share of some issues, but there are 22 starters that have a hand in team success. Freeman’s play hasn’t been stellar, but I think doing pretty well learning and digesting considering he’s never really been coached before.
Is it Freeman’s fault that the OL doesn’t block well for the RB’s?
Is it Freeman’s fault that the WR’s don’t always get separation from DB’s?
Is it Freeman’s fault that the coaches call bad games (Cowboys)?
Is it Freeman’s fault that he throws inaccurate sometimes? (yes)
Is it Freeman’s fault that we lost after he had us up against the Redskins?
Is it Freeman’s fault that we lost after he had us up against the Giants AND brought us back against the Giants?
Is it Freeman’s fault that the coaches hold him back in the passing game rather than unleash him?
How dare Freeman do all these bad things after 4 games in a new system, coaching staff and new players….damn him.
Come on people.
October 8th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Agree with you to a certain extent @Jbrooks, but you also have to consider Miami has Mike Sherman as OC, who’s been a HC & OC for many years prior and is working with a QB he coached in college. This is Freeman & Sullivan’s 1st year together and Sullivan’s first job as an OC anywhere, so it’s going to take time.
October 8th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
JBrooks: In his defense, Freeman has had, what, 3 systems in 4 years? That’s rough. And I think he deserves this year. But it can’t explain his inconsistency or inaccuracy on the short ball. I can tolerate the thought errors as he adapts, but he simply has to improve by the end of the year. If not, he needs to be traded or at LEAST have some competition brought in to challenge him (say a 2nd or 3rd round rookie, or a journeyman vet backup).
October 8th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
And the staring down of the receivers has to end. Right now.
October 8th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Part of this is on you Joe. If you continually post articles referencing Freeman’s flaws,etc., you’re naturally going to get a response to that (which is probably the plan). If you don’t like the “we want Smith” talk, then stop being one of the haters you refer to in spending a week trying to figure out what’s wrong with Freeman. There are quite a few other things to write about the team I would think.
October 8th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
“thw Miami O is the EXACT offense Tannehill ran in college, being OC’d by his college headcoach, that is why he was drafted by Miami”
Let’s hire the W Virginia OC.
October 8th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
And please someone calling for a QB from a spread offense, please point out the starting NFL QB who has has any sustained success coming from the spread offense at the college level. I’m willing to lay money, in the end Cam will be a mediocre pro QB, same with RGIII, this is based on the non success of others who have proceeded them into the NFL and were supposed to dominate the league (Mike Vick, J Russell, VY) Vick is the only one to see any kind of success and it looks like he might be on his way out in Philly. The spread does not translate to the NFL, it produces incredible WR and RBs who can catch the ball, but the QB success has been dismal.
October 8th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
@flmike
To your early comment. It’s true that Sherman cam from A&M but since the Bucs have the worst overall offense and either the worst or second worst passing offense in the league I could pretty much use any other example of a team with a new offense and come to the same result.
And the question about spread option college QBs is a little unfair. That style of offense has really only been popular for ten years or so. We are seeing pretty much the majority of top QBs in college shift from pro style to spread. You still have guys like Luck but it’s starting to trend towards RG3 and Newton QB type. The game is evolving at the QB position and I have heard many people share the opinion that the spread style will slowly seep it’s way into the NFL.
But I am not saying Geno or bust. My thing is we need to move on if Freeman doesn’t improve wether it’s with Geno or someone else.
October 8th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
I simply don’t think Geno Smith is anything special.
October 8th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
@JBrooks
I agree, but we have to give him the chance to succeed, but dismissing the kid 4 games into a completely new system isn’t a chance, it’s the equivalent of a “fair trial and a quick hanging”
October 8th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
@Stranger
70% career completion rate is nothing special?
October 8th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
they wont have to tank anything they way they are playing….at this rate keep up the bad work and we will get a top 5 pick easy… Sadly though this is not a Luck-RG3 type draft. Tampa needs excitement, exciting players sell tickets and we have ZERO. RG3 may never be a pro bowler or a champion but he is fun to watch and thats more then i can say for anyone on the bucs roster
October 8th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
JB:
Joe didn’t write either way what the Bucs should or should not do with Freeman. But to answer your question, the guy who drafted him is still running the team.
October 8th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
flmike:
Aaron Rodgers springs to mind. There aren’t that many, basically because the spread has only been around the college game for roughly 10 years (maybe). Point taken, however.
Drew Brees also ran a spread-type of offense at Purdue.
October 8th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
In 2009 Freeman signed a 5yr 26mil contract with 10.2mil guaranteed. At the end of this year, he will have collected 18mil. He should only hope they cut him in 2013 or otherwise he collects a cool 8.43mil even if they draft another QB.
If they trade him his contract goes too and 8.43mil is guaranteed with his next team. If they cut him, there would be no waiver since he would have 4yrs of service. He becomes a FA to negotiate with any NFL team looking for quality back-up, some even looking for a starter.
One hour would not pass before Pittsburgh came looking for quality back-up for the oft-injured Ben Rothelisberger. He would thrive in a system behind Ben where he could put his normal weight back on and be the mobile QB that he naturally is creating plays out of the pocket. He would be groomed as a successor to Ben with coaches who know how to use his talent.
Go ahead. Make Freemans day! I dare you!!
October 8th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Not really. Not when some of his passes are 7 yard passes to Tayvon Austin, where he runs past everyone for 60 more yards.
Side note, Tayvon Austin is something awesome.
October 8th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
I don’t care if it takes 3 more seasons, I’m behind free 100%. After the second half of the skins game I remembered what a 2010 freeman looks like and I would rather wait for that than take another chance on a qb. Besides, the man that Freeman is can take us places qb’s like Newton can only dream of. Take the shackles off free and see where we go. I bet we will be a pass first offense and that will be great for Blount and Martin.
October 8th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
I personally dont want geno smith, but if not geno, some one else!freeman just isnt doing it!its not a hate thing its a get it done thing!
October 8th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Some people are killing me with this QB talk! What do Brees, Both Mannings, Brady, Rivers, Rodgers, Rothlesburger etc… have in common? That’s all the recent Super Bowl QB’s right. They are all at LEAST 30 years old & Rodgers will be there in a couple of months. I don’t think a single one of them was lighting up the league at the ripe old age of 24. The closest QB to Freeman would be Stafford & his 3 TD’s to 4 ints are worse than Freeman’s 5TD’s and 4 int’s. Give this kid a chance and by the time he’s 25 or 26 he’ll be lighting up the league. One other thing; all of those guys have had weapons their entire career. This is the first year Freeman has a Pro Bowl type weapon to work with. Do not let this kid walk!
October 8th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Another fact that is never considered is that these QB’s all had all pro offensive lines especially Manning & Brady.
October 8th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
When you have the best defense in the NFL, and that defense can carry your offense, you can afford to sit back and let your QB develop. When you have the best offensive line and a kick ass running game you can afford to sit back and let your QB develop. When you are four or five years deep in rebuilding mode and your Qb is still playing like a rookie, YOU CAN NOT AFFORD TO SIT BACK AND LET YOUR QB DEVELOP.
October 8th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Any new QB sets you back four or five years so it’s a gamble either way. I like what I see from a 24 year old kid & I’m willing to bet he is great in the NFL
October 8th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Out of 32 teams; how many great or even really good QB’s are there? Maybe six or seven! Players like Manning, Brees & Brady only come once every 5 years or so.
October 8th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
“any new QB sets you back four or five years” ? That’s just not true.
October 8th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Predicting 2 and 14 with the #1 pick in the 2013 NFL Draft. The only team I see them possibly beating is Oakland and this may be a hard fought battle that can go either way.
October 8th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
That depends on a lot of factors. Point is though, QBs are hard to develop and so many bust.
Also,
“When you are four or five years deep in rebuilding mode and your QB is still playing like a rookie, YOU CAN NOT AFFORD TO SIT BACK AND LET YOUR QB DEVELOP.”
You kind of can when you introduce a new system to a QB. Especially young ones under the age of 25. The number one way to get a young QB to regress is to change the offensive system, which is why team outright REFUSE to change OCs when developing one.
Not saying we should give Freeman an extension. But let us see how things play out first. If there is suddenly more Good Freeman than Bad Freeman, then things just might be okay. If there’s still any doubt before the draft, pick up a QB in rounds 3-5.
October 8th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Bucs fan in Iowa,
Since Peyton Manning; who has led their franchise to immediate and continued success from the moment they were drafted. There may be someone, but I can’t think of anyone. Everyone was high on Newton even though he LOST 10 Games last year and will lose 10 again this year. RGIII will lose more than he wins. It’s a process and only a very very few make it to be great. The rest will be just servicable.
October 8th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Freeman is a franchise Qb … thankfully he is ours. There are alot of things the TEAM does that affects the offense….LOL @ clueless fans
………………# Freeman
October 8th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
“For some reason, Bucs fans have to have a player to hate. First it was Barrett Ruud, then it was Gerald McCoy, now it seems to be Freeman.”
For some reason?? Gee……maybe it’s cause Freeman sucks balls right now? The guy struggles to even get us a first down until the 4th quarter.
October 8th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
The Bucs could very easily trade the farm and move up Redskins style for one of the top 2 QBs if Freeman doesn’t shape up. We have a looooong way to go yet to know if he has what it takes this season. The microscope is zoomed in on Freeman this year… no doubt about that.
October 8th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
That would be the worst possible thing to do. We would be passing up on some very good defense talent, as well as possible lineman and tight end picks, just to get a QB who we would still have to develop.
October 8th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Trade Freeman for Tony Romo after the season. Everyone in Dallas hates him even though he’s a hell of a quarterback.
October 8th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Guys come on! What we are four games into the season and just quitting on our team, really? This team is why we are all here, we have been competitive in each game. Yes, Freeman will have growing pains in a new offense but he has kept us in games, he has put us in the position to win games and our defense stops covering !? How do we expect for our team to have pride if all we do is constantly bash them. Listen Freeman will light it up, it just time to put up or shut up sully. let freeman at least of two years in a system. GO BUCS
October 8th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
have**
October 8th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Is Brad Johnson on speed dial? Smart and accurate
October 8th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
@Joe
Both of them knew how to accept a snap from under center when they got to the league, some of these guys coming from true spread offenses have never taken a snap from under center, the most basic qb move and they have to be taught it at the pro level.
October 8th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
There is 2 chances of this happen. Slim and none.
October 8th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
@Patrick
You’re correct about Romo and Dallas – they HATE Tony but I’ve give my left nut for a QB like Romo over Freeman.
Just like the fans in Philly will want to run Andy Reid out of town if the Eagles don’t win their division.
Tell you what, I’ll give Dallas Freeman and I’ll give Philly Schiano for Romo & Reid ANY FREAKING DAY
October 8th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Lets face it folks Freeman is living up to the moniker that Joe himself applied to Josh:
BUST IN WAITING.
October 8th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
I don’t know about Romo. He’ll play perfectly fine and then something incredibly stupid will happen. I honestly have never seen another QB make the mistakes that Romo does with such frequency.
October 8th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
They don’t have to tank, they are more than capable of losing the needed number of games while employing full effort.
We’ve already got three in a row going.
October 8th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
And the rockstars trepidation can be solved with two simple words.
Your fired.
If u can say those two words to Tony and Jon they should flow very easily in these circumstances.
October 8th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
@Lucky…you really should smoke less crack
October 8th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
And where is Ruud now????? McCoy has not made it through the complete season yet.
October 8th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Until we see the playbook open up in the 1st like it does when we are playing from behind in the 4th, the offense will remain stagnant. Freeman is not a game manager, you have to let him loose. Reduce the use of the basic 2 back, 1 TE, 2 WR sets and utilize more spread formations early in the series. If Davin was healthy and Lorig was the type of thumper we could depend on every down then we would be able to lean on the power run game but as it stands I think we need to allow Freeman to let it rip early in order for consistent success on the ground to be realized.
October 8th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
All you have to do is look at the backup situation to see if Freeman is going anywhere.
He’s clearly not, and I’m happy for it. This year and next year is just right if you think about it. We get to see how he improves under Sullivan after a year.
And frankly, to address the Sanchez/Tebow situation….just look at the HUGE distraction it has caused and they are no better for it.
Sanchez is 2 years older than Freeman…give free those 2 years and he’ll shine.
October 8th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
Agreed Dutcher. Took Eli 6-7 seasons to get to that upper echelon level. Even though he won a SB in his forth season there were still question marks surrounding him up until a season or two ago.
October 8th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
I just think that its sad that we our discussing this as a fan base. Something has to be wrong. Pro or Anti Freeman, this is an accurate depiction of his past 4 years as the Bucs QB. Just food for thought for a “franchise” qb…
October 8th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
Eli didn’t develop till he won his second super bowl.
Hilarious.
October 9th, 2012 at 12:25 am
“I just think that its sad that we our discussing this as a fan base. Something has to be wrong”
Something is always wrong when you don’t win a Super Bowl. People always want improvement.
October 9th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Wow, the haters are out. The only player I ever turned on and wanted gone was Ruud…. and what is he doing?
Regardless, Freeman has this year and next IMHO because he gets an extra year for the new offense.
I see Schiano going all out after O and D linemen in the draft. With Clayborne and Joseph going down, it just shows that you can never have enough depth there.
October 9th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
The Geno Smith talk will be “knocked off”, when Freeman’s light bulb gets “turned on”.
October 9th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Pete Dutcher,
Eli and Freeman should not be compared.
Eli is from a family of QB’s, played his college ball in the SEC, and has won two superbowls.
Freeman can’t even make a read beyond two recievers. You can’t coach up what isn’t there.
October 9th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
@ Dutcher,
I’d rather have Tebow at the helm of the Buc’s offense.
Dom and Freeman can walk the plank at the end of the year.
Start winning or be relinquished of your duties.
October 9th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Why not trade freeman to the chiefs and draft Geno smith or Matt Barkley.. Ill give freeman 3 more games if he doesnt have one game over 300 years hes done in my opinion
October 9th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Barkley is straight up terrible Nate.
October 9th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Geno or bust, and as much as I don’t want to talk about adding on another QB, or going a different path, it must be talked about.
Freeman is FAR more frustating than Dilfer. Freeman has the physical ability to dominate, but he doesn’t mentally apply himself to his game.
Why is he still confused with route progession?
Why can’t he learn some accuracy.
Freeman is nowhere near Eli Manning, and probably never will be.
October 9th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
lol @ clueless fans,,,,Freeman is on his 3rd coordinator in 4 yrs