Field Goal Defense Debacle On Coaching Staff
October 21st, 2012
Joe still cannot get a straight answer on what the heck happened on the field goal debacle early in the fourth quarter when the Bucs were flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct.
Instead of attempting a 51-yard field goal, the Saints were gifted a first down. You just don’t do that for Drew Brees. And predictably, he burned the Bucs for a touchdown.
Joe isn’t sure why the unsportsmanlike penalty was called. Dave Moore on the Buccaneers Radio Network claimed it was for an illegal shift. Joe heard a variant version of Moore’s after the game, and two local TV types claim the penalty was for someone barking out signals to intentionally confuse the kicking team.
Mike Pereira, former Vice President of Officiating for the NFL and current FOX talking head, apparently, per the Twittering of Joe Henderson of The Tampa Tribune, claimed it was an illegal shift and said, paraphrasing, Schiano could get away with that at Rutgers but not in the NFL.
Joe received several Twitter messages when the play happened claiming Schiano was the culprit for the penality. Joe somewhat disagrees.
Yeah, the buck stops with Schiano, the Bucs head coach, who refused to discuss details of the play in question after the game. That play, a shift or barking out signals, had to have been worked on in practice. Does anyone really believe Schiano would draw up a special teams play in the
dirt in the middle of a game and run it? Of course not.
So why, when this was practiced, didn’t another member of the Bucs coaching staff say, “Hey, Greg, this is possibly illegal. Let’s check with the league office if we can do this.”
No, the mess created on the field goal defense isn’t on Schiano, at least not directly. There’s a reason a head coach has a staff and Joe believes Schiano’s staff let the head coach down, and the team, on this one.
October 21st, 2012 at 6:49 pm
The call was for trying to confuse the offense by basically simulating their snap count. It wasn’t on the shift. Whatever word Pereira and the refs used, that’s what he said it was for. It had nothing to do with the shift.
October 21st, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Between this and the infamous “leaping” penalty, we just can’t catch a break on field goals. Those are the only 2 times I have ever seen those penalties called.
October 21st, 2012 at 6:51 pm
The Buc stops at Schiano.
October 21st, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Plays like this and the VJack 95 yard play decided the game. The defense gets a stop and whether he makes the 51 yard field goal or not, (I think he would have missed), there were some points off the board for the Saints.
However, I am encouraged by the Bucs progress. They have been in every game they lost, but lack the pass rush to put the defense over the top. Having a healthy Bowers & Clayborn would be huge.
October 21st, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Well Schiano’s being blamed for it! I’ve been to several of the major NFL websites and they’re hammering him for what they are calling college antics. This is going to have a life of it’s own similar to the victory play.
October 21st, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Macabee,
The antics are the same as watching Drew Brees try the hard count with 2 minutes left. Or Peyton Manning every snap. Singling out the Bucs is getting old.
October 21st, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Shoot, at this rate we are going to have another top10 draft choice.
One more draft and you will see a better squad. We have little depth.
Let’s work the draft board and win the draft for the 2nd year in a row.
October 21st, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Well done Coach. Hey at least my 6-10 is looking better and better as these weeks wear on.
On a positive note, we ARE getting better every week. Our offensive playcalling is getting more diverse, we’ve got the top rush defense in the league and a bunch of promising young studs. If/when we get some high round draft picks again next year we can fix our secondary and both lines.
October 21st, 2012 at 7:26 pm
It sucks they lost but I am damn sure they are more physical, disciplined, and all around better than they were least year.
On another note did anyone see the yahoo article on the chargers using stickem.
October 21st, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Not afraid to tell it like it is… the team and coaching staff SUCK royally. There I said it and put it to print.
October 21st, 2012 at 7:57 pm
My grandmother used to call these kind of things ‘being too clever by half’….although Schiano may have been in the right according to the spirit of the rule, the zebras also have a voice in determining if it was unsportsmanlinke. In the post-game shows, every one of them mentioned the college antics. Like it or not, if you incorporate college actions into your game play, there should be no surprise when you get calls that are commensurate. Can’t have it both ways,
October 21st, 2012 at 7:59 pm
A moron is a moron just like a pig with lipstick is still a pig.
October 21st, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Schiano needs to stop the stupid tricks like this and the victory formation thing. I think he is a good coach just stop the stupid stuff.
October 21st, 2012 at 8:11 pm
I’m happy with Schiano, the boys are playing well. But he cost the Bucs this game with two decisions, this one, which was absurd and cost 4 points, and even worse not kicking a field down seven. Those seven points allow the Bucs to kick a game winning field and the Willams play never happens. I’m a fan of the coach, but in the NFL, points are at a premium, thats 7 points on two bad decisions. He has to fix that.
October 21st, 2012 at 8:13 pm
It should not be remembered to as the VJax 95 yard non-TD.
The V-Jax 95 yard reception was one of the longest in Buc History and should be celebrated rather than picked apart.
You could tell that he was only hoping to get as far as he could the second he looked over to see where the other safety was coming from.
He knew that he was stuck in thrid gear as soon as he beat the inital DB’s he caught the ball over.
It was A Bum calf kept him out of the endzone more than just a good angle by the Safety.
But to not score for there is on the ENTIRE Offense.
As a team that wants to be a Beast Running the Ball,
I understand the playcalling first and goal at the one.
You have to call and then make those plays if you want to be known as a run first team and the failing is as much on the execution of the offense as it is on the play call.
Just goes to show the level of the talent of the team and just how much further they have to go.
October 21st, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Hawaiian Buc, I was also reminded of Simeon Rice’s leap. Why does this stuff only happen to us? At home?
October 21st, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Our man might have gotten away with it if he didn’t have the dramatic body move with it.
Gotta stay still and throw your voice.
October 21st, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Your right Hawaiian, I’ve never seen this call or the leap call in any other organized football game.
Does make one wonder.
October 21st, 2012 at 10:07 pm
I’m beginning to think that some of these strange penalty calls are some kind of payback for the victory formation play call.
October 21st, 2012 at 10:23 pm
all these excuses about his calf and the biggest game by a wr for the bucs you cant have your cake and eat it to. 2 yards, he could of dove, he layed down
October 21st, 2012 at 10:56 pm
Schiano is a rookie too.
We are so much better now than a year ago.
October 21st, 2012 at 11:02 pm
they are getting better, at least the offense was opened up. i think we missed talib a little bit today, brees does this every week though so you cant take it to heart
October 22nd, 2012 at 2:28 am
The blame is totally on Schiano. This stupid illegal shifts and College things have to end. Now, I know why all other NFL teams passed on Schiano in their coaching search. This ia going to be a long season.
October 22nd, 2012 at 3:07 am
These unusual calls are payback for the victory formation play. We will not get the respect we deserve until we put it together and get on a whip ass roll. I also wish someone would look into the gambling habits of the zebras. This game has left me uterly exhausted and sick.
October 22nd, 2012 at 9:43 am
Wow… I’m surprised by some of the ignorant comments. Schiano is a damn good coach. I’m so happy we wound up with him and not Chip Kelly. As one astute comment said, Schiano is a rookie too. I’m sure we won’t see that shift thing again. As far as rushing the “victory” play, I LOVE IT! When you’re one score down, why not??? There is still a chance that something could happen and you wind up with the ball. After watching this team quit for 10 straight games it is amazing to see them fight to the bitter end. This is BUC ball. Tough, physical, never say die football. It’s such a better brand of football than the pussified finesse football that so many other teams seem to subscribe to. LETS GO FIGHTING SCHIANOS!!!
October 22nd, 2012 at 9:46 am
so much better than last year, and the approach of our players & coaches gives me a lot of confidence. these guys take the lessons from each game and keep getting better. i think we are a couple players (DBs) away from having one of the league’s most formidable defenses and our offensive playcalling is improving every week despite the major issues at the RG position
October 22nd, 2012 at 10:01 am
Blount should have went over the top hurdle or dive! Is there a rule for the shift at the line? I think you shuld be able to do just it like a hard count to draw defense off side seems everything is to the favor of the offense these days….. We are getting better just think next year watch out Go BUCS!
October 22nd, 2012 at 10:43 am
If ANY other team shifted like that on field goal.No penelty would have been called.The Buc’s are under the league’s microscope because Schiano tries to push the limit’s.We should protest by not even leaving our stance on field goal attemp’s or just stand there.Kicker’s r such head cases it would probably cause them to miss.If we dare try to block a punt or field goal.A flag would fly for something.I wanna know what the defender said because the only way that’s the right call is if he yelled “HUT or HUT HUT.He made the foot geasture and yelled something then the defence shifted.If they didn’t shift well then it is the right call.
October 22nd, 2012 at 11:01 am
I love that the Bucs fight on every play down to the final whistle, too. If the league can’t handle a Team that plays for all sixty minutes, that’s THEIR problem. As far as the unsportsmanlike call, since when is it an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty to try to draw the other team into making a mistake? If this is a legit rule, I think it needs to be evaluated. If they don’t and want to keep making my favorite sport into flag football, I will stop watching it. I’m getting heartsick over what’s happening to the game of football.