Trashing Greg Schiano
September 17th, 2012
Joe just knew this was going to get out of hand. When the Bucs tried to knock the ball out of Eli Manning’s hands when the Giants tried a kneel-down in a victory formation, Giants headmaster went off on Schiano after the game in this season’s version of Jim Harbaugh and Jim Schwartz.
Joe just knew the Big Apple fourth estate would tee off on Schiano and that’s exactly what is happening. Gary Myers of the New York Daily News unloads on the Bucs coach for what he perceives as dirty tactics.
That was personal. This was dangerous. Schiano ordered his guys to go after Manning, go after the ball. “If they watch Rutgers, they would know, that’s what we do at the end of the game,” he said.
Forgive Coughlin if he didn’t pop the best of “The Schiano Years” into his DVD player, although it wouldn’t have taken much more than two or three minutes to watch.
“We fight until the game is over,” Schiano said. “There’s nothing dirty about it.”College coaches who try to bring college stuff to the NFL usually wind up back in college. “I don’t think you do that at this level,” Coughlin said.
This is just nonsense, though comical nonsense, on so many levels.
First, if Schiano really did tell the Bucs defense to go after Manning, how come his jersey was clean? Manning was so unfazed by the Bucs’ pass rush throughout the game, it was as if he had an Ebola virus.
Second, Coughlin admitted this week he has watched Rutgers tape to try to decipher just what Schiano football is.
Of course, no one would be saying anything if Justin Tuck knocked a ball loose from Josh Freeman on a kneel down and scored a defensive touchdown.
September 17th, 2012 at 9:13 am
If the Bucs were walking around the line before the snap and then rushed the line it would’ve been cheap but they lined up in goal line stance and hit the Giants OLine in the mouth, if there is time left and you have your helmet on you play the damn game!
Watch the Bucs kneel down last week, Freeman took a few steps back before kneeling down.
I bet other teams are going to be ready for this from now on.
September 17th, 2012 at 9:38 am
Funny how Coughlin preaches FINISH but then cry’s when the bucs finish the game…
September 17th, 2012 at 9:40 am
Perhaps some of that ingenuousness would have been better served stopping Or at least slowing down Eli to begin with.
September 17th, 2012 at 9:45 am
Mike golic and Chris carter agree with the bucs for the move. First approval of the move I’ve heard all day.
We did telegraph that we were going for the ball and Eli snapped it anyway. We don’t HAVE to accept defeat.
September 17th, 2012 at 9:45 am
after hearing Schiano and looking at the score. I change my mind. you have to do that. It’d be a cheap shot if we were down by 2 scores, but we weren’t.
September 17th, 2012 at 9:56 am
MIke Ditka was animate about that SHiano was RIGHT and Coughlin was wrong! There are many others that agree with Shiano. Is it OK for a team to start kneeling with 2 minutes, 1 minute, 5 minutes, 30 seconds? Is the defense supposed to QUIT just because the offense does? I loved it…this team will NOT quit under Shiano, or they will NOT be there. In the bigger picture, IMO, we will begin to find out who tough enough for Shiano, and unfortunately, I dont think McCoy is.
September 17th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Ron Jaworski is another defending Shiano. He was QB on Pisarcik play, and said the Giants attempted to “take a knee” and the Eagles shot out at them, just like the Bucs did, and on the subsequent play the Eagles decided to get physical back to the Eagles and ran the Pisarcik play, which resulted in the fumble and subsequent TD. The Eagles won as a direct result of the Eagles playing to the END of the game, and not letting the Giants dictate when the game is over.
September 17th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Embarrassing
“College coaches who try to bring college stuff to the NFL usually wind up back in college.”
September 17th, 2012 at 10:12 am
The message has ben sent to the rest of the league, the Bucs are not doormats or an easy win, they will make you fight for every last point to the very last second of the game…
September 17th, 2012 at 10:25 am
Yes, Miguel, you are embarassing!
September 17th, 2012 at 10:26 am
What if the snap went bad and the ball just sat in the backfield for 5 seconds while our guys took a knee. EVERYONE would be yelling at how dumb wee were for thinking game was over. Screw New York!! Jimmy Johnson came from college and brought that stuff to NFL , how many superbowls did he wind up with, and if he was still in DALLAS ny giants would haven’t won as much.. GO schiano, Most importantly is the players said we did what coach says!! that speaks volumns that they believe in him, how many refuse to follow raheem unless it was to a strip joint
September 17th, 2012 at 10:31 am
I like how the article that knocks Schiano also takes a shot at his time spent at Rutgers, a team that was the absolute worst team in division one college football before Schiano took over and re-built the squad. To me, that is a cheap shot. Almost as cheap as the shots multiple Giants players were giving to the back of Gerald McCoy’s head during the now infamous kneel down play.
Last year the Bucs were getting blown out of the water and losing ten in a row. The 40+ points the defense gave up yesterday against New York was once surrendered in one half of football against Atlanta. It would be one thing if the Bucs had been down by more than one score, if the game wasn’t going back and forth in the fourth quarter, if Schiano was using timeouts to stop the clock during the kneel down and continued to run his guys through the line…None of those things happened. The team played hard and has a lot of work to do, but I’ll take this effort, this hard nosed play every day of the week over the garbage I saw on the field last year, and the Giants need to stop the crying, they pulled out the win, they lost some players, but I saw nothing dirty on the field yesterday.
September 17th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Shiano is a breath of fresh air. Bucs need to play hard as long as there are tics on the clock.
September 17th, 2012 at 11:04 am
It is stuff like this which is why outside the US football gets no respect. Eli going so far as to call it a cheap shot and grumpy old Coughlin rabble rousing the media is taking away from the fact that the bucs had the super bowl champs by the nads and we just couldnt finiish. If we look like an aggressive team that will fight for the ball til the end what more can you ask for. Butin the mean time, let the babies from NY cry while we continue to surprise teams in the league.
September 17th, 2012 at 11:13 am
Here’s what everyone should be talking about:
Gerald McCoy’s comment “We do what we’re told” is telling — the Bucs players don’t like this nonsense any more than the Giants players do.
This is step 1 to Schiano losing the locker room, IMO.
September 17th, 2012 at 11:20 am
lol @ number 41….NOPE ! its step 1 to Shiano telling McCoy to keep his mouth shut . we are family here…
September 17th, 2012 at 11:23 am
Don’t like going for the knees of any player especailly mine, but hey I’m all for it if were trying to win and if someone does it to my team then I’ll bitch my ass off saying it’s a cheap shot lol.
September 17th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Can we please move on to Dallas now? Tough loss, get over it…No one really cares about what Coughlin or anyone says. Fans care about touchdowns, sacks, big plays, and beers (women). People attempted to come against Harbaugh for being a tough coach but you see what the 49ers are doing to people. They are a rough bunch and thats where I see us going.
September 17th, 2012 at 11:30 am
I think the real problem here is the Giants did not blow out the bucs as they were suppose to. All week all I heard is that the bucs were going to an angry super bowl champs den and to expect a blowout. what happened? The bucs slugged it out with them and really should have put that game away. A loss is a loss and it hurts as a bucs fan but I see it more as sour grapes on Coughlins part. His team got punched in the mouth and he doesn’t like it. He should be kissing Sullivan’s bean bag for not running the football more in the second half or the Giants would be 0-2. Act like a champ Coughlin you know you have a bullseye on your teams back. That is the price for winning the bowl. Every team wants a piece.
September 17th, 2012 at 11:53 am
It’s New York. People whine, cry, yell, and complain as part of normal speech and interaction. Don’t be so culturally insensitive.
September 17th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
If I really thought it was a cheap shot, I would have said so by now. It wasn’t.
Number 41 Says:
Here’s what everyone should be talking about:
Gerald McCoy’s comment “We do what we’re told” is telling — the Bucs players don’t like this nonsense any more than the Giants players do.
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Actually, what it says is that the team is doing what they are told, unlike last year. He “left it at that” because he’s smart enough to not say anything that would stir up controversy.
LET’S BE HONEST
When the Giants fell behind they started getting frustrated and started taking a LOT of cheap shots on the field. The Bucs, for the first time in God knows how long, gave as good as they got.
All this does is show that the Giants are acting like sore losers…because that’s what they are. They might have won the game…but they were humbled in the battle.
September 17th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
I was one of those that figured we would get man-handled by the Giants. I was expecting such a blowout…but Schiano and Sully made me see the light…never count them out.
Lesson learned.
September 17th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
We weren’t going for the knees. We went in low to disrupt the snap. The only reason it looked like we were going for the knees is because the Giants O-line just stood up and made no effort to play football.
September 17th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Seems like the vast majority of legitimate football minds agree completely with Schiano’s tactic. Ditka, Carter, Golic, and even former Giant Antonio Pierce to name a few. I’m with them personally. It wasn’t disguised at all. The D-line made it obvious the rush was coming. Hell, it almost worked!
September 17th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
The NFL has come out and endorsed what Schiano did as being completely within the rules. Perhaps this will end the controversy, but somehow I think it won’t.
September 17th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Coughlin is a hypocrite…as he had no problem with, and endorsed, THIS……http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY26rgd4aps
September 17th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
That’s right Coach Schiano! We fight until the end. That’s my coach
September 17th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Anyone see what Dan Wetzel of yahoo said about the Buccaneers player reaction at the end of the game?
“Some of the Bucs players, according to reports from the locker room, seemed a bit embarrassed by the tactic and resorted to shrugging it off as just following orders.”
Does this seem accurate? I just worry you don’t want to lose the locker room by week 2.
September 17th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
I hope Schiano sticks to his plan and not deviate if it’s within 8 points you play till the end period…. there’s a lot of things we need to clean up but all in all progress…. the refs missed a few like facemask on Martin and the Jackson hit… but I also think Barber should stick at corner like in Carolina game… and Talib needed help bad we should have doubled Hicks… this will blow over but Schiano I got your back play hard play to the end and play to win….
September 17th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Why is Schiano being bashed for calling a legal play when the Giants should have been flagged for an illegal personal foul for punching McCoy in the back of the head on the play?
September 17th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
The league sees nothing wrong with the legitimate play. Coughlin exhibited unsportsmanlike behavior after the game and should be fined. The players should shut their traps and fall in line.
September 17th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
@AK
Nice reference!
I liked the fact that the new student (Schiano) schooled the old veteran teacher. Coughlin took offense to being up-staged by a college coach. They needed a miracle to pull out a win, and Schiano wouldn’t just bow down. Says a lot about Schiano. This team is not in business to kneel down and kiss Super Bowl rings.
September 17th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
“NOPE ! its step 1 to Shiano telling McCoy to keep his mouth shut . we are family here…”
Absolutely. Shut up and earn your money.
September 17th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
I’m sorry in the most physical game on the planet, played by the most physical men on the planet, that a group of 300lb+ men felt they were cheap shot by an angry Bucs D-line that was not disguising they were firing off the ball….be a man and admit that after a lucky win, you felt the sand in your mangina and you cried about it….
Antonio Pierce(former Giant) not only agreed with the the move and Schiano
September 17th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
he also said Coughlin was out of line
September 17th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
What Coughlin, Giants fans and New York want you to believe Greg Schiano said to the D-line before the final play
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kr24G8jQpM
What Greg Schiano should have done/said to Coughlin after he opened his mouth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZeYVIWz99I
September 17th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Screw all of new york
September 17th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
New York has a hard on for itself and the reaction doesn’t surprise me because we are small market and it’s the Giants. I agree with the play… the bucs were down 1 score. If it had worked it would have been one of those NFL plays thats gets a nickname. Former players generally endorse the play and the one that have NEVER sniffed a down in the NFL are aginst it. Shocker.
September 17th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
@ Colorado
roflmao ….very nice analogies …point well given whilst maintaining a sense of humor! …priceless!
September 17th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Ditka seemed to have a change of heart on mnf countdown.
September 17th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Tom Coughlin should wear a dress when he coaches
September 17th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
During 11 years at Rutgers, Schiano’s defense twice forced a fumble in victory formation.
September 18th, 2012 at 12:23 am
I liked the move. Just what the Bucs needed to do, go into the other teams house and punch them in the mouth. Go Bucs!! Keep showing the rest of the league you aren’t to be underestimated and will play the full 60 minutes especially within a one possession game.
@ Colorado… Awesome.
This is SPARTA!!
Keep up the intensity Schiano.
September 18th, 2012 at 1:45 am
This is TAMPA!!!!!
September 21st, 2012 at 10:41 am
Schiano must have felt that this was going to be his best opportunity to get to eli. They failed the previous 75 times so why not try it while they were just kneeling. Funny thing is the Bucs defense couldn’t even touch Eli when the Giants weren’t even trying. HaHa Bucs – your defense is worse than last year.