Peter King Frowns Upon Greg Schiano
September 18th, 2012
Joe is still in the greater New York metropolitan area as he types this late on a Monday night, and Joe can tell you that aside from the stoned, unwashed degenerates known in some circles as “Occupy Wall Street” that forced the New York police department to lock down lower Manhattan into a virtual cage (Joe accidently walked into the middle of this fiasco), the talk of the Big Apple was Giants headmaster Tom Coughlin throwing a hissy fit over Bucs coach Greg Schiano trying to force a late fumble while the Giants tried to ice the game in the final seconds.
As one can expect, cricket-watching, Marriott-sleeping, scone-loathing Peter King weighed in on the subject.
Wasting little time in his must-read SI.com Monday Morning Quarterback column, King wagged a finger at Schiano for what King perceived as an unethical move.
Coughlin’s right. Schiano’s wrong. I agree with playing to the final gun. No problem. But when one team is holding up the white flag, with a quarterback in full kneel-down mode, it’s a mistake to pig-pile on him. There’s a 1-in-1,000 chance the defense can jar the ball loose before the quarterback kneels and the whistle blows, but more likely what results is the risk of injury, on both sides of the ball. No question in my mind that if Schiano keeps trying to wreck victory formations, his own players will pay for it — and maybe in the form of retribution from vengeful players in the future.
Come on! If Joe wanted to watch flag football or kickball, he would. This is what seperates America as a richer culture from the third world virus of soccer. This is football, America’s game for Christ sake! It is a game of a physical nature with bruises common.
If this is truly a dirty play, then the NFL should make a rule like college that whenever someone’s knee is on the ground the play is dead.
Don’t like it? Change the rules.
September 18th, 2012 at 9:12 am
Just goes to show what kind of person he is.
September 18th, 2012 at 9:13 am
Over-Exaggerated story. Pig-pile? Eli fell and no one touched him. This isn’t even a story I don’t even know why I read it.
September 18th, 2012 at 9:18 am
If the Giants didn’t want to finish the game they should have forfeited.
September 18th, 2012 at 9:19 am
Joe, you are hands down my favourite coverage.
September 18th, 2012 at 9:21 am
Waving a white flag? That is an indication of a surrender. I’m not sure why it’s called a “Victory Formation”. What it really is is “we’re going to play it safe and take a knee so we don’t fumble and give them possesion” formation – otherwise, they would just run a regular play. Victory is only assured if you’re up by 2 or more scores.
When Eli hit the ground he was flanked by Talib and Wright. If that ball pops out, it’s 25 yards to pay dirt or we fall on it with maybe a chance for 1 last play.
Don’t like the play King? Try underwater basket weaving.
September 18th, 2012 at 9:25 am
Yep. Eli could have easily fumbled as he fell. A recovery, a quick timeout, and we have one shot at the end zone. It was absolutely the right call to go for that ball. Just because the Giants didn’t want to play any more doesn’t mean the game is over.
September 18th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Peter King and all these other writers just backing the media darling NYG. Im over with this game and this stupid “kneel down play.” It was a last ditch effort by the Bucs to get the ball back in a game we let slip away. Not a damn thing wrong with it. Giants can all STFU.
September 18th, 2012 at 9:48 am
My counter argument is this: Has there ever been been a fake kneel down / victory formation? The answer is yes. If the Offense can fake a victory formation then a defense can choose to defend heavily against a victory formation for a hope at getting the ball back. This is the same reason fake punts and field goals exist.
September 18th, 2012 at 9:50 am
Enough already!!! You’re the one who was afraid this was going to be made into a bigger story than it was, yet you continually write about EVERY ahole with an opinion. Yes, you are part of the problem….page views, I guess!?!
September 18th, 2012 at 10:00 am
Who the hell piled on Ellie Manning??
His own lineman knocked him down..No Buc touched him…The Bucs were in 3 point game on stance..Giants had to know they were not laying down for that final play..
September 18th, 2012 at 10:21 am
Off topic
“Joe can tell you that aside from the stoned, unwashed degenerates known in some circles as “Occupy Wall Street” that forced the New York police department to lock down lower Manhattan into a virtual cage”
Why does the NYPD feel that they work for the 1% Banksters?
Why does the NYPD lock down lower Manhattan for 25 peaceful protestors representing we the people (99%)?
Isn’t the essence of Joe Buc Fan an interpretation of pro football as it pertains to the average Joe? Average fan? Part of the 99%?
Does the average football fan (99%) comprehend that the Banksters (1%) stole $1.5 quadrillion from you?
http://dailybail.com/home/occupy-wall-street-plans-to-surround-nyse-hit-40-corporate-t.html
Ihttp://12160.info/profiles/blogs/the-1-5-quadrillion-dollar-derivatives-crisis-2012?xg_source=activity
September 18th, 2012 at 10:29 am
“third world virus of soccer”
best part of the article!
September 18th, 2012 at 10:29 am
The hit on Vincent Jackson was far worse yet no one in NY is talking about that. They will later after the hefty fine.
I hate all national media. They are all so biased be it sports or politics. Pretty much sickening and people/sheeple actually believe it all. Lies upon lies, spin and hype. I noticed the Broncos didn’t quit until the clock ran out. We will see this again and Schiano will soon be called an innovator by these same idiots like Peter Eater.
September 18th, 2012 at 10:29 am
You can’t wave a white flag when you are winning. Maybe the Germans should have tried that when they took over most of Europe. Come on Peter you know better.
And no I have never seen a fake kneel down. That would be very wrong. Maybe you are confused with a fake spike which is a totally different thing.
September 18th, 2012 at 10:54 am
The ONLY reason this is a story is because it is a team from NY. All NY fans are Jaggoffs.
September 18th, 2012 at 10:55 am
@csidedave
Excellent point-fake spike
September 18th, 2012 at 10:59 am
In 2007, New England played Miami in Miani. Tom Brady is winning 52-7, and on one of the last plays of the game, goes to kneel down/spike the ball and then throws the ball to Randy Moss in the end zone. When Miami complained, all the sports writers wrote that Miami should play to the sound of the whistle. Cant have it both ways.
September 18th, 2012 at 11:00 am
In 2007, New England played Miami in Miami. Tom Brady is winning 52-7, and on one of the last plays of the game, goes to kneel down/spike the ball and then throws the ball to Randy Moss in the end zone. When Miami complained, all the sports writers wrote that the Dolphins should play to the sound of the whistle. Cant have it both ways. Schiano is right.
September 18th, 2012 at 11:03 am
bucyea,
If you don’t like it, don’t come here. Joe’s job is to report on the Bucs, and if the Bucs are still being talked about on a Tuesday by the national media then he HAS to cover it, even if he thinks they are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
September 18th, 2012 at 11:06 am
“If this is truly a dirty play, then the NFL should make a rule like college that whenever someone’s knee is on the ground the play is dead.”
Exactly, the rule states the when the QB takes a knee, the play is blown dead.
That is why the play was dirty, that and the fact that our DL launched themselves into the OL’s knees and did not make a play on the ball.
On the kickoff, when the receiver takes a knee in the endzone the play is blown dead. Launch yourself into his knees and you will receive a 15 yard penalty, ejection and a large fine handed down by the commissioner.
September 18th, 2012 at 11:23 am
Miguel once again you are running your mouth without knowing what you are talking about. Fact is nobody launched themselves into anyones knees. However they did launch themselves low in an attempt to knock the lineman backwards into there QB forcing a fumble.. which is exactly what they did, but Eli held onto the ball, and fell on his ass from his own lineman knocking him over before he could take a knee… there was no kneel down, therefore no dirty play. Feel stupid yet? You should… You disgust real buc fans you idiot.
September 18th, 2012 at 11:37 am
@Miquel
Exactly when he takes a knee. Not when the ball is hiked the play is dead. until his knee hits the ground the play is alive, so how is it a dirty play, before you talk.
On kickoffs they ref blows the whistle before the players get there or the would take his head off. There was no whistle when Eli hiked the ball so the play is alive and as an offensive linemen your job is to block not loaf around.
When they run chop blocks at DL knees during no huddles, when the DL aren’t even settled down that’s not bad? Look at what happened to GMC during the preseason on that one chop block when they took his knee out. All they said was he needs to pay attention and learn to avoid that.
September 18th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Further proof King is an idiot.
“There’s a 1-in-1,000 chance the defense can jar the ball loose before the quarterback kneels and the whistle blows…”
Actually, Schiano caused a fumble twice in 11 years…that puts it at 1 in 66. Which isn’t all that bad.
What I’m seeing is the guys that do no more than talk about football are speaking against it, and the guys who play or played, or coached…are supporting it.
Either way, Schiano put the NFL on notice…don’t expect his team to quit till the final whistle blows.
September 18th, 2012 at 11:44 am
Consider this too, if the effort had caused a slightly bad snap Eli could have lost his grip on the ball and we would have had a fumble. The only complain I have is that they didn’t save it for a division rival. Now everyone will be on guard against it.
September 18th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
How about all the crybaby yankees designate one person to make a statement for them on this dead issue?
September 18th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Maybe, I’m a little touchy because I was a victim of this cheap, dirty crap.
I was playing 1st base in a soft ball game, when an opponent grounded to shortstop, I stretched a little bit, caught the ball for a routine ground out.
The opponent thought that it would be OK to blow up the 1st baseman, like a catcher on a close tag play at home. Instead of touching 1st base he ran me over leading with an elbow into my ribs which broke three ribs, permanently ending my martial arts activities.
Their team thought that he was perfectly within the rules. Just tough hard nosed play. Old school. The fact was that he was already out and forcing me to drop the ball made no difference whatsoever. He didn’t just shove me down, he caved in my exposed ribcage. HE TOOK A CHEAP SHOT!
This was a friendly game with my children participating otherwise I may have broken his neck.
I sit here 15 years later in constant pain, every time I turn over in bed,
every time I get up from a chair, every time my wife asks me to take out the garbage and even when my daughter asks me to hold my only grandchild.
Virtually, every breath I take, I feel it.
I’m so angry tears are rolling down my cheeks.
I’m not a Yankee but I’ll be that crybaby that makes that statement on this dead issue.
Sportsmanship is dead!!! The Little General and Ditka have spoken!
September 18th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
It’s a much cheaper shot for Joe to call the OWS protesters “degenerates”, than for the Schiano’s defense to try and cause a fumble with time on the clock behind only one score.
Yet, it’s an ever cheaper shot for Miguel to defend the 99% when he’s in the 1% echelon of JBF posters.
September 18th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
@ Miguel
Wow. I’m pretty sure you were battling Doomsday when this all went down.
September 18th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Wow I thought I had it bad with a mental disorder, a drinking problem, and a Bucs addiction.
Hell, I’m in great shape, other than a couple bullet holes and stab wounds. Awesome.
Cheers. Prost, & Na Zdorovie
What the Hell’s with the NHL??? Does it ever end? This time I’m with the players, but I think Jeff Vinik is a great Owner caught in the middle.
September 18th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Since when do the people winning wave a “white flag”? King must not know much about football…
September 18th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
There’s a different set of rules when you are talking about a Sunday afternoon game of sand lot softball. These guys make their living playing this game and they know the rules. I still maintain the Giants O-Line and coaching staff were embarrassed and are crying fowl. Anytime you are within 1 score you play hard. Period!
September 18th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
More stoned, unwashed degenerate US Marines still defending Amerika
http://dailybail.com/home/video-marine-vet-at-occupy-wall-street-tells-sean-hannity-to.html
September 18th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
I’ll take that 1 in 1000 shot as opposed to a for sure loss any day. What no one is saying is that we were only 1 TD behind. If we were 2 or more td/fg behind then OK but not if there is even a 1 in a million shot to still win/tie the game. Get over it Coughlin and all you wussies and play football damn it! Go Bucs!
September 19th, 2012 at 3:54 am
@joe
Third world virus of soccer?
Are u for real?
First, soccer was invented in England.-“1st World”
Second, the best soccer in the world now is in Germany and Spain.-“1st world”
Third, Josh Freeman, our leader, LOVES soccer! He Lost 20 lbs. playing.
Fourrh, Lionel Messi is one tough SOB. He gets tackled so hard every match.
Fifth, at least soccer doesnt have 1.5 hours of commercials! Its non-stop!
Sixth, to denigrate “third world” people like that is cold and ignorant.
Seventh, OUR American soccer team is AWESOME!! Show some love “patriot.”