Bucs Wave Goodbye To Hardman
September 5th, 2012
Joe’s unsure how Derek Hardman fell off the radar. As a rookie he was the heroic replacment for Davin Joseph as the Bucs were a top-10 offense in the second half of the 2010 season.
He was back in 2011, but now he’s been cut, even with Joseph out for all of 2012. The Bucs announced the move this morning and the re-signing of veteran cornerback Brandon McDonald, who previously was cut the other day.
The Bucs also signed G Julian Vandervelde to the practice squad, another guy who was cut a few days ago, and released WR Bert Reed from the practice squad. What a bummer for Reed. The Florida State product just did a TV interview in the panhandle talking about how he was so happy to be joining his beloved Buccaneers.
September 5th, 2012 at 11:11 am
It’s a cruel business. And since WRs are dime-a-dozen, glad we’re placing a higher priority on the trenches. happy to hear Vandervelde earned a spot on the PS. Between him and Cody Wallace (on the active roster), seems like we’re set for the short term on the OL. Still concerned about the DL though…
September 5th, 2012 at 11:17 am
It’s obvious Cody Wallace outplayed Hardman in the practices since he was acquired. I’m not surprised since Wallace was a highly recruited lineman in high school in Texas and had a great career at A&M. He’s extremely strong (480 lb bench press) and has good technique. The only reason Houston let him go was they had some quality depth at his position. I think he’ll do quite well if he stays healthy, possibly even overtaking Larsen at the OG position. We’ll see though…you never know in the NFL (Not-For-Long).
September 5th, 2012 at 11:19 am
Remind me again who is behind Larsen…? Sure hope he stays healthy with all those blitzes he’s going to face.
September 5th, 2012 at 11:22 am
I agree. Our W/R depth is awesome. I think we should be on on the O line. Brining in another CB makes me wonder, we have 8 or 9 now??
September 5th, 2012 at 11:27 am
I’m no expert, but it sure seems like we are making an above average amount of moves right before the season. I thought thats what TC was for, to identify who would be on the roster?
September 5th, 2012 at 11:30 am
WTH is up with all these circular moves? Check Dominik’s desk for empties.
September 5th, 2012 at 11:30 am
Glad they brought Vandervelde back! It is said he sings a great National Anthem!
September 5th, 2012 at 11:50 am
This off season has made me question my football knowledge I thought training camp was how guys secured a place on a roster not so! See T. Underwood. I was also of the impression that roster spots were used for depth at positions of weakness again not so. 1 decent undertackle on roster and 8-9 defensive backs. Guess we will be heavy on the dime package this year. West virgina style 3-3-5 ???
September 5th, 2012 at 11:52 am
This move has me baffled. We have no depth hardly at all on the O-line but now we have 12 DB’s. Hardman play great in Davin’s spot in 2010. Unless he regressed badly in 2 years then why didn’t they release him earlier. Why pickup McDonald again? They should have just left the spot open because they need another O-lineman. Now, when they do sign one they’ll probably release McDonald again.
September 5th, 2012 at 11:57 am
maybe hardman got hurt on the conditioning test? was he a dom signing?
September 5th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
There are only 8 offensive linemen on the current roster and most teams usually keep 9, so I expect they’ll sign another one soon and release McDonald again. Probably still doing their homework and working out players before they commit to that last signing. Just a guess.
Another question is when Bowers comes off the PUP list in six weeks who does the team release? He gets two weeks to practice once he’s off the list and then the team is required to release someone to open up a roster spot. That means eight weeks at most before someone gets cut.
September 5th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
In Bostad we trust.
It’s pretty obvious Hardman was never given starting consideration.
Have any of our cuts been picked up elsewhere?
September 5th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Bowers or his agent will never agree to run the dreaded and unnecessary 110X16 torture tests coming back early on an Achilles injury. Forget about it!
They could wait until next year when he’s fully healed but I heard that the Little General might increase them to 220X32 to weed out all the losers, concussed, weaklings, injured and malcontents.
The Rockstar will probably have to unload him for a conditional 7th round pick like K2. Ouch! Another 2nd rounder bites the dust.
I’m no expert but isn’t Reed the same guy out of Florida State who was the great punt returner/WR that was thrown off the team? Does he fit the Schiano mold?
September 5th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Not resigning Jeff Faine was a mistake!
Cincy swooped in and signed him.
Big Mistake. Josh loves Jeff. Zuttah could go back to guard.
We would have had some esperience on the O-Line. Now?
Big concerns!
September 5th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
perhaps mcdonald is a great st’er. also, perhaps the bucs are still unsure of parker and/or sgt stroughter. they signed reed, then realized that tiquan underwood was not being signed by another team. joe’s article earlier talks about how schiano still likes hightop flyer, house partier, kid n player tiquan underwood.
September 5th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
i wish we could “weed out all the losers” such as miguel payasito! same incoherent drivel, idiotic paranoid conspiracy theories, and obvious psychosis-induced ramblings as usual.
where is brian price? where is no-toes winslow?
September 5th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
FLBoy In Dallas:
You’re right on the first date of coming off the PUP list, but the team has an additional 3 weeks to decide if that player is ready and then two more weeks to make the cut… meaning nobody has to go until week 9.
Teacherman:
Cincy hardly swooped in, they waited until one of their own got hurt late in preseason.
Miguel:
You should have started and ended with the “I’m no expert” statement. That would have been enough to drive your point across.
September 5th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
The trenches are weak…
DL: McCoy, Miller, Gibson, (270lb) Gilberry, and Irvin?
Hope the first three can stay healthy and are ready for a lot of snaps!
One more injury to either line and the Bucs are up a creek!
I hope I’m wrong and there are some good talents hidden in there.
Go Bucs!!!
September 5th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Disagree on Faine. His best days are behind him.
BTW, the resident blowhard failed to mention that many other teams require players to pass conditioning tests. Imagine the horror of making a professional athelete take one!
Yeah, it’s a hectic time at OBP no doubt. In truth, we just have to discount what we have seen in pre season and trust the guys coaching and watching film.
September 5th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
I’ve been able to get down and ride with all the decisions made his off season.
The recent slew of cuts/re signings have me a tad baffled.
September 5th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
One thing I suggest fans do… “Stop falling in love with 2nd and 3rd stringers names”.
I thought Hardman looked like garbage in the pre-season.
September 5th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
How could Coach Schiano cut a man message board posters think should START at RG? This makes no sense! WHAT is going on? Who do these professional coaches thank they ARE?
September 5th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Miguel Grande , er, that would be Greg Reid, not Bert Reed.
September 5th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
“BTW, the resident blowhard failed to mention that many other teams require players to pass conditioning tests. Imagine the horror of making a professional athelete take one!”
Belicheat, is a very butch coach, he makes his linemen sprint 40X10. If he had lost 8 players before camp officially started to the gauntlets, including 3 starters and severely hindered his front office from signing replacements, he would have softened his stance.
I’m not sure, but if he had a player trying to come back from an Achilles
tendon injury, he might give him a waiver.
The Little General has painted himself into a corner and he’s hiding behind a veil of secrecy, when he’s asked what he’s going to do. Why let the enemy know his plans??? Truth is, his plan has disintegrated and opening day is right around the corner. He truly doesn’t know what to do.
The reason most of their moves are puzzling to the casual observer is that Dominik, who is not the sharpest knife in the drawer, has to perform with one arm tied behind his back.
September 5th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Thanks, Mike J
I stand corrected.
September 5th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Hardeman was an award winning left tackle in college. When he was playing right guard two years ago its when they were running the zone blocking scemes of Coach Mangurian. Now with the one on one power blocking Hardeman was badly out of position. He will end up being a good tackle somewhere else.
September 5th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Garv
Exactly the sarcasm I was thinking.
September 5th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Miguel,
Last time I’m going to go here with you, but please name these 8 players that were injured during this conditioning test that ONLY you care about. Even the players that ripped Schiano (Winslow & Okoye) didn’t bring up the test. Name me the 3 starters also. And for the record, getting hurt preparing for camp doesn’t count, even if they were preparing for the conditioning test. Are you blaming Benn’s injury to the conditioning test? Biggers? Davin Joseph? I know you won’t respond with any sort of truth, but I couldn’t resist the temptation of hearing more of your BS.
September 5th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
@Miguel: we can both agree that the team in 2011 quit correct. Well why do people quit? Usually its because they feel like the matchups weren’t far(coaching) or lazyness(conditioning) this was just schiano’s way of figuring out who the quitters were from last year. I’m sure he won’t be doing this every single year with every place. It will differ and probably be much less. For this year he had to set the tempo and weed out the weak.
September 5th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Mr. Patrick , good point, thanks.
September 5th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
You know what I hated about Hardman? His stupid arm pits! 🙂
He should have worn the right sized jersey for pete’s sake.
September 5th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
@Brandon
Cincy had an injury and we had an injury.
Jeff Fiane was signed just a few days after Josephs injury.
They pulled the trigger before we could.
Another great move by Cincy.
Like signing Vontaaze Burfict like Ive been saying!
September 5th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
@teacherman777 I was saying we needed Vontaze also,but people thought he wasn’t good enough
September 5th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
who the heck is this guy?
this person talk in absolutes like he “knows” something of which he talks. his post above states what belichick does, what he would do, what schiano did, what schiano’s plan is, all the while calling schiano names and slandering domick. wow.
miguel,
your comments seem very sociopathic to me. do you have borderline personality disorder?
September 5th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
@Hawaiian
Miguel called the Buc’s front office and they declined to tell him. Grande explained that Hawaiian had given us an ultimatum. Put up or shut up!
The Bucs are very closed mouth about their cuts. They announce new signings and then they’re never seen or heard from again. Miguel suspects the worse.
Grande will give you the names off the top of his head although Grande had to remove the Sombrero of Wisdom to do it. Price, Briscoe, Holland, Talib, Okoye, Penn, Roberson and …………….?????? That’s 8 right?
Actually Grande suspects a lot more but he really can’t name the 8th.
Grande maybe prone to exaggeration to embellish a point.
You got Miguel again, Hawaiian, damn you to hell you’re diabolical nemesis!!!
Ever since Miguel discovered spell check, he thinks he’s a freaking genius and he has been diagnosed as very sociopathic with borderline personality disorder.
September 5th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
perhaps it is just narcissitic personality disorder.
from mayoclinic.com
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/narcissistic-personality-disorder/DS00652/DSECTION=symptoms
Symptoms
Narcissistic personality disorder is characterized by dramatic, emotional behavior, which is in the same category as antisocial and borderline personality disorders.
Narcissistic personality disorder symptoms may include:
Believing that you’re better than others
Fantasizing about power, success and attractiveness
Exaggerating your achievements or talents
Expecting constant praise and admiration
Believing that you’re special and acting accordingly
Failing to recognize other people’s emotions and feelings
Expecting others to go along with your ideas and plans
Taking advantage of others
Expressing disdain for those you feel are inferior
Being jealous of others
Believing that others are jealous of you
Trouble keeping healthy relationships
Setting unrealistic goals
Being easily hurt and rejected
Having a fragile self-esteem
Appearing as tough-minded or unemotional
September 6th, 2012 at 2:01 am
I was going to call you on each one of your false claims, but due to the fact that you sound like a complete idiot already, it’s not even necessary. You are a joke gone terribly, terribly bad.
September 6th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Someone else is going to get a decent lineman there. I just hate that they picked up mcdonald…he’s bad.
September 7th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
What are you guys even commenting on, good lord. Just saw that he was released. Hardman is better than Larson far as Im concerned. New coach probably didnt go with him cause larson was a draft pick. too bad for bucs i say