Bucs Will Train For Adversity
March 28th, 2012
After the Bucs lost their 10th straight game in January, Joe fell into the camp of fans that believed the 2010 season was not a mirage, the Bucs have a good share of talent on the roster, and were simply in need of a competent coaching staff and a few more pieces.
Well, the Bucs got a couple of big pieces in free agency, plus Eric Wright, and they upgraded the center position with Jeremy Zuttah making the move there. As for the coaching staff, fans will find out come September, but it all looks promising.
Talking to the Tampa Bay Times today, Greg Schiano said he’s not going to overanalyze the Bucs’ film from last year since there are so many variables that go into a player’s performance.
“You can look and say, ‘I think this happened or I think that happened,’’’ [Schiano] said. “To me, that’s a little bit of a waste of time, because there were different variables involved, different people involved. To me, everything’s people, the relationships you have with guys, do they trust you, do you trust them? That’s what carries you through those tough spots.”
And Schiano will set out to build a team that can weather those inevitable rough patches, with the hope that temporary struggles don’t become season-long tailspins.
“The old saying is that adversity reveals character, it doesn’t build it,” Schiano said. “We’ll have our share of adversity, and one of the things that you train for is that adversity. To me, that’s mental toughness. There are certain ways you can build mental toughness. We’ll coach that as a staff.
This adversity training Schiano speaks of is interesting to Joe, especially considering how the Bucs roared back to victory so many times in the fourth quarter of games in 2010. Seemingly, lots of Bucs already know what it takes to pull out games but it didn’t get done last year.
Player evaluation has got to be rough sledding for Schiano. He sees a bunch of 2011 slop on film but he knows he can’t gut the entire roster, plus he can’t guage exactly how inept the coaching staff was during the 10-game skid last season. And a young coach like Raheem Morris, who didn’t exactly have a Hall of Fame staff around him, can hardly get the benefit of the doubt.
Schiano almost has to dismiss a lot of what he saw in 2011, and trust that rockstar general manager Mark Dominik rightfully did not secure free agents Sean Jones, Geno Hayes, Elbert Mack, James Lee and others.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
This young Bucs team needs to take on the personality of its new coach, and lose all traits of the previous one. Hopefully will act, look, and play like a proffessional football team. Bucs have the right man for the job.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
I agree that player evaluation is difficult at best when you have no prior experience with players other than film study. I’m sure Schiano will be looking at 2010 and 2011 to see if there is a trend with some of these players or if some just regressed due to bad scheme, coaching, etc. One thing I am certain of, Schiano and staff will get more out of these guys than Morris got just because he will settle for nothing less than their best.
March 28th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
At least he didn’t reffer to anyone as “mental midgets.”
March 28th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Put RahRah Morris in the category of those objective or with a brain who know that 2010 was completely “smoke and mirrors.”
To say that a 10 win season surrounded by a 3 and 4 win season is evidence that the team is truly a 10 win caliber team is just plain dumb.
If the talent level was so grand, why did the Glazers abandon the fraudulent build through the draft plan and overspend on 3 free agents. No this was not the plan ( to go 4-12, lose 10 horrible games in a row, and then after losing the fan base add 3 free expensive free agents). Last time the Glazers spent for free agents it was after making the playoffs consistently.
Joe is correct to finally admit that RahRah was incompetent. That took awhile
Joe has archives here and any idiot can look check out how many times Joe blamed the coaching staff not the talent on the field last season. –Joe
Some great radio today from Commish being truthful about how bad the RahRah regime was. Ira said that the Glazers have suggested serious concerns about what was going on.
I think Schiano told Ira after watching the Bucs film that rah’s team was the sloppiest he had ever seen – paraphrasing.
March 28th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
I’m sure Joe would have been a lot quicker to call RahRah incompetent if he wasn’t worried about losing all access to players. I think any idiot could have seen RahRah was in way over his head.
Joe has archives here and any idiot can look and check out how many times Joe blamed the coaching staff not the talent on the field last season. –Joe
March 28th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Rah trained the fans for adversity.
March 28th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
does last season count…
I Do Not Like this philosophy….you train for victory…..not fighting while retreating….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4_47O2Pfy8&feature=related
March 28th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Hey Joe, I have a question. Why is no one talking about the TCU Linebacker Tank Carder. I have seen this guy play and he was a beast. Plus his first name is TANK for gods sakes. he would bring our linebackers back to respectability.
March 28th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
I partially agree with joe’s premise as it relates to Freeman. His 2010 performance was outstanding. He can return there IMO.
However, defensively they were lousy in 2010. All those high draft choices haven’t created anywhere near a good defensive team over the last three years.
I haven’t seen a high water mark from them that’s worth returning to and they haven’t proven they can play in this league – even in 2010. That group has lots to prove.
March 28th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Eric is hopefully correct with his theory that Josh is more the 2010 version than 2011. He is correct that the incompetent rah’s defense stunk all along and there are no signs of improvement after 3 Dom defensive drafts.
2010 was full of narrow wins and 4th quarter heroics by Free against bad teams.
March 28th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
@Mr Patrick said it well, about the Bucs taking on the personality of Schiano going forward. Necessary.
We need TRich to complete the value of OLine helping Josh, and also keeping all defenses off balance for VJax, Williams, Winslow. It wouldn’t hurt the Bucs, to mimic what is working in the NFC South right now, as best division in football. Score points, good special teams, manageable, coached-up defense, filled in by draft maybe.
TRich….as long as Browns don’t steal him.
March 28th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
I recall Joe begging the Bucs to hire consultants last year to help out the inept coaching staff that couldn’t stop getting belted repeatedly in the first half of games.
March 28th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
It’s an interesting transition to be sure. I feel like there are two roads to take now with the draft upcoming.
1. Claiborne in 1st, LB/RB 2nd and 3rd rounds. or….
2. Richardson in 1st, LB/S 2nd and 3rd rounds.
Either of those would be tough to argue with. But any top 10 worthy player can start on day 1 for this team. I also think safety is a bigger need than CB now, but if Claiborne is available in the 1st, its tough to pass on a shutdown CB, who could play under his former position coach, and a future HOFer.
But on the flip side, I think our offense could be unstoppable with an OC who (allegedly) knows wtf he is doing, and would have these new weapons including drafting Trent Richardson to put at Freeman’s disposal. Sick!
But the defense would have to get addressed almost every single round after if we go with Richardson in the 1st round. We have a lot of back 7 holes to fill.
March 28th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
As of the end of November I recall Joe commenting that Joe thought RahRah “was safe.” I believe connected to an article citing a J Clayton quote that “staff changes” were coming (Olson and/or a D Coordinator).
I guess that isn’t proof contrary to Joe believing that rah was incompetent, but it would be hard to reconcile how someone would think that an incompetent coach is safe in late November.
I think everyone knows who was parading around like RahRah was a legit coach and who wasn’t. The more info that comes out the worse it apparently was.
March 28th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Joe here,
@Thomas 2.2 – Saying a coach is safe at a given moment in the eyes of management is hardly praising the coach or a statement of his competence.
March 28th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
That is true Joe, but my recollection is that you were in the category that was very late to the “RahRah is clueless” party.
March 28th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
@ BigPicture
For what it’s worth Todd McShay has us taking T-Rich in the 1st and Zach Brown in the 2nd.
That would be SICK.
March 28th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
While they’re training for how to handle adversity, I would also throw a refresher in there for how to handle unexpected success!
March 28th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
@ Sens I could definitely deal with T-Rich then Zach Brown. Still hoping MO is there at 5 but I’m starting to wonder about Minn going the MO route.
March 28th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Why do you think they’d pass on Kalil?
March 28th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
Oh god are Eric and Thomass still the main posters round here? Anyways I believe that the head coaching\recruiting experience of Schiano\Davis will be invaluable in combination with dominik’s eye for young talent. The older eye of Butch Davis combined with Schianos\Dom’s young eye could hopefully create the perfect storm in our draft war room. Here’s hoping.
March 28th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
Thomas- just about everyone that wasnt a hateful racist was late to your “Rah Rah” is clueless party. You started that party in the midst of 10-6.
March 28th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
thomas- just to back up my statement it can be verified(if joe so wishes) that you were one of the d-bags that would call Raheem “Radio” to imply that his usage of young urban lingo meant that he was automatically a person of sub-par intelligence.
March 28th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
SensibleBuc, I am holding out hope more so for Lavonte David, but Zach Brown is a fair consolation prize
March 28th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
If all we needed was adversity we ought a be ready for the super bowl.
Rah is old news. We scrapped him off the bottom of our shoes and the stench is nearly gone.
Good things ahead.
March 28th, 2012 at 11:19 pm
Joe- When are you going to come around to what a racist Thomas is? He’s showed it all along. He thinks your “late to the party” because you weren’t condemning Raheem in the midst of his near coach of the year 10-6 season. If you look over your comment archives you will see he was one of only a couple fringe lunatics condeming Raheem even then. He sounded just like Buc You. Only difference is that Thomas racisms remained veiled while Buc You apparently got drunk and let it out of the closet. Whatever though. Keep harboring this d-bag.
March 29th, 2012 at 12:06 am
@Sens. I think Minn would be foolish to pass on Kalil. If so, he immediately becomes either a good opportunity to trade down for us or we get a cant miss OL rounding out a ridiculously solid O Line. The reason I think Minny is a possibility is because they were one of the few teams with a secondary nearly as bad as ours. According to statistics, their secondary was even worse than ours. Call it paranoia because Im really clamoring for MO.
March 29th, 2012 at 12:28 am
Thomas 2.2
You have very selective memory.
For example, you constantly say I was a Rah Rah guy and that I thought he was a great coach. This is one of the reasons I have a problem with you saying you were a “lawyer”. A lawyer requires attention to detail. You consistantly misquote people.
In my own case, I never said Morris was a great coach…I said he had the potential to become a great coach. I consistently pointed out areas that needed improvement. And I was even originally against him being hired as head coach originally.
AND I was among the first, if not the first, to point out that he was too buddy-buddy with his players and that although it worked when things were going well, it could go the other way when adversity came…and it did.
So you screw up quotes, you claim factual data that is untrue hoping that no one looks such things up (as I prove a week or two ago), and you shall out hate at any convenient target.
You wanted Ruud out of Tampa, but you were the first to hold it against Dominick.
The truth is you are more inconsistent than anyone around here…except for your predictable aspect…which is to spee hatred upon coaches, players, staff members, fellow posters, Joe or thecGlazers.
March 29th, 2012 at 12:43 am
If anyone sees Capt. Tim post before I do, please show him this link ranking Talib 7th in yards/catch and 11th in Success Rate on FBO.
The stats essentially show that last year Talib was a either poor #1 CB or a very good #2. He’s not God’s gift to the position but he’s serviceable enough to keep around for one last year.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2012/best-cornerback-charting-stats-2011
March 29th, 2012 at 12:51 am
@ Big Picture Guy
David and Ronnell Lewis are the only OLBs who really impress me. I just looked at Zach Brown on YouTube and came away less than excited about him. He’s an athlete who happens to play linebacker. I want my LBs to have finely sharpened instincts. He just flies around recklessly like a chicken with his head cut off (he’s pretty darn good in coverage though).
The problem with David is that he’ll probably go in the 1st round and Lewis is more of a Sam than a Mike or Will…and we already “technically” have one in Black or Watson. Guess we’ll see how it all shakes out soon enough.
March 29th, 2012 at 7:13 am
SensibleBuc Says:
The stats essentially show that last year Talib was a either poor #1 CB or a very good #2.
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So…knowing that Talib is a #2…what is Wright likely brought in to play?
This is one of the reasons why I’ve come to the conclusion that the Bucs plan to cut Talib AFTER the draft. Wright is his replacement.
Thanks to Mike Mayock, people think there’s a chance the Bucs will go after Richardson. The Bucs want to maintain that perception so no teams trade up to take Mo from us. The Vikings could decide to trade down…the Browns have already made it clear they want to trade down…smoke and mirrors still play a big role in three of the top 5 picks.
March 29th, 2012 at 7:22 am
JOE –
Would it be possible for you to go to the General – Discussion settings of the website and increase the compose window from 25 to 35 lines or so?
Although the current settings work fine with a desktop browser, the compose window won’t scroll down on some tablets…making us unable to see what we’re typing on a 7 inch tablet.
March 29th, 2012 at 8:02 am
Pete:
The saying “sometimes, less is more” springs to mind. More than 25 lines borders on novel writing. Given the fact you are doing this on a tablet, meaning no keyboard, on a flat screen… sheesh!
Joe’s about to go back from a Droid to a Blackberry because typing on a flatscreen is horribly cumbersome.
March 29th, 2012 at 8:18 am
Of course, you would ridiculously play the race card bc I said Rah was a horrible coach.
The radio nickname was being used broadly, even on espn, it wasnt a race connotation.
I love Dungy, Tomlin, Lovey and Herm Edwards. I am a huge supporter of Ronde and Free, DJ and Free.
Nice try. I have always said rah is a nice, respectable person, just no nfl coach.
March 29th, 2012 at 8:36 am
Joe, I wasn’t commenting on you criticizing the coaching staff, I was commenting on you “not” name calling, calling Raheem incompetent. I don’t remember you doing that. Every idiot knows you criticized the coaching.
March 29th, 2012 at 9:47 am
@ Pete
“Wright is his replacement…in 2013 when he’s gone.”
*fixed