Will Coordinators Have Their Say?
February 9th, 2012
Remember when the Bucs fired successful offensive line coach Pete Mangurian, the man who had James Lee, Derek Hardman and Ted Larsen ready to jump off the bench and help win games in 2010?
Well, one theme heard after Mangurian’s exit from various pundits and media types was that Mangurian, a disciplinarian and a longtime colleague of Raheem Morris and a former Patriots tight ends coach, was not a Greg Olson guy. Olson didn’t hire him, and the Bucs were throwing Olson his guy when they hired O-line coach Pat Morris last year, who was one of the highest-paid O-line coaches in the NFL in Minnesosta before he came to Tampa.
So that got Joe wondering, as names of alleged new Bucs assistant coach hires are spread around the Interwebs. If these names have indeed committed to the Bucs, then they weren’t hired by their respective defensive and offensive coordinators.
Is that a problem? Joe doesn’t know. All coaches should be able to be professional and successful — that goes for the coordinators and the assistants — but certainly chemistry with a boss/direct report is important. For example, if the Bucs do hire John Shoop to be offensive coordinator, will he be on board with P.J. Fleck as receivers coach for a very young receiving corps?
Recently, rockstar general manager Mark Dominik referenced Monte Kiffin’s patience and knack for hiring superior assistant coaches from the college ranks. That’s great, but it seems the Bucs’ new defensive coordinator might not be afforded the same opportunity to find the right fits.
Joe’s far more concerned about the chemistry of the coaching staff versus how long it takes the Bucs to find coaches.
One thing does seem certain, the “one voice” Greg Schiano referenced in his opening news conference seems likely to be reflected in the coach-hiring process. The voice will be Schiano’s, as he’ll have made nearly all, if not all the hires.
February 9th, 2012 at 11:31 am
I think DC is done. If its Butch maybe nothing can be said till final due to his NC contract payout.
I sure hope the Bucs get Mangurian back on that O-Line, That was maybe the best overall unit a year ago to even starters starting to play half-ass.
February 9th, 2012 at 11:37 am
Maybe forcing the OC to have a coach he didn’t pick isn’t a bad thing.. the line definitely did better in 2010 under Mangurian than it did under Morris. And Chucky didn’t hire his OL or DC either- Bill Muir was brought in because he was a Parcells guy but stayed under Gruden. If I remember that line did a decent job even with Kenyatta “hands to the face” Walker
February 9th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Interestingly the Steelers may have hired Haley against the best wishes of Tomlin.
At this point I am for any harmonious bunch that doesn’t contain Turner.
If the bucs are giving Schiano free reign, thats a good thing.
February 9th, 2012 at 11:55 am
I just want to know who the coordinators we’re settling for will be.
February 9th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
I’m jumping to conclusion here, but looks like WDAE is reporting Jimmy Raye as OC… http://www.620wdae.com/pages/bucs.html?article=9732766
They don’t specifically say what his role will be, but I think he’s the only one with OC experience at the NFL level in the list.
February 9th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Are we going to get a writeup on the asst coach hires, Joe?
February 9th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
I really, really, really hope it’s not Raye as OC. He has a ton of experience, and think he would be a good offensive asst, just not a playcaller.
February 9th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Mangurian would be a GREAT Re Hire, if we can get him.
It was a HUGE Mistake on the part of “Joe’s Rockstar” to have fired him, and given Cry Baby Olson his guy.
The “Rockstar” helped dismantle a 10 and 6 team by firing Mangurian.
February 9th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
No wonder Joe hasn’t regurgitated the WDAE babbble. The Dolphins hired the Dline guy Melvin and this is the wrong Jimmy Raye in the radio story.
February 9th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
officially 2 weeks till the combine.
February 9th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Im with bucfanjeff.
My concern is our staffing needs. We need this done by middle of next week at the latest. We are so far behind…
February 9th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
So…has anyone else done ANY interviews with Shiano since his press conference? Has anyone seen or heard from the guy since his presser? I understand he is probably busy with hiring assistants, going over game film and getting ready for the combine, but the silent treatment is a bit scary.
February 9th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
So we hired Jimmy Raye’s son?
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ok, not I get it.
Whew
February 9th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
@bucfansouth,
Not sure where Melvin’s headed. Read an article saying he was headed here, and another that said he was headed to Miami. Guess we’ll have to wait to see. Curious if a Belicheck endorsement may have lead him to the Bucs though.
February 9th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Jimmy Raye II is the Bucs former OC, who has been coaching in the NFL since ’77. WDAE lists the proper bio, but does not include “II” in his name.
Jimmy Raye III, is the Chargers director of player personnel. Doubt he is going anywhere. Can this type of position be blocked from interviews?
February 9th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Last I checked Raye was going to be hired as a “senior nfl assistant”. I would be excited to see what Melvin could do with our dline if he is indeed the hire.
February 9th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Which Jimmy Raye coached with Singletary at San Fran?
February 9th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
raye is a assistant we signed still dont have a o or d cordinator yet
February 9th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Eric,
II.
He’s been awful as a playcaller, but, gobs of NFL experiencing coaching most positions on offense, including RB, WR, TE, etc. Been in the NFL since 1977.
February 9th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
I agree. I have no problem with the length of time to try to get this right.
The issue is After HC should be the OC and DC and then on down from there.
Is Mark D and sometimes Schiano doing the hiring without their OC and DC being involved?
OR do they have someone like Butch Davis lined up and actually are getting input from him?
I don’t know, nothing to do but wait to see how it plays out.
All I know is I still think mark D did good with the drafts, but if these coaches don’t show drastic improvment with this team this year…. Mark D will be gone
February 9th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
@eric,
The same Jimmy Raye mentioned in the article. Guy hasn’t had great numbers as an OC, but he’s been in the league for quite some time, so he does add the experience factor.
February 9th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Why the hell can’t somebody pick up the freakin phone and ask Schiano himself how things are going. WTF. Why all the secrecy? We are the only damn team looking for coaches!
February 9th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Is Schiano off limits to the media? This is the most F***ed up franchise in the NFL.
February 9th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Jimmy Raye has been hired as a “senior offensive assistant”not oc.,probably more like a babysitter with pro experience so we can indeed claim we got coaches from college and pro ranks.he knows his way around and has surely paid his dues.
February 9th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
According to the *ock star GM. He likes Monte and all the quality coaches they had. Open up the F***ing check book and hire Monte and some of his staff back.
February 9th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Hey Glazerhouses, I got an idea. SELL THE DAMN TEAM!!!! Stop embarrassing the great Tampa Bat area.
February 9th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
BAY
February 9th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Does anybody really think if $$$$$ wasn’t an issue, we would still be trying to complete a coaching staff? This process would have been done weeks ago.
February 9th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
@CC…dude, relax. Take a deep breath. Iiiinnnnnhale……eeexxxxxxhhhhaale.
There ya go! Now, if you can give Joe Schiano’s personal phone # I’m sure he’d be more than happy to call him for you and get a ‘what up’.
February 9th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Will coordinators have their say? The real question is whether Schiano is having his say. Who made the offer to Dan Quinn and was it for the position of DC? Who is ultimately making the final call on all coaching positions? There are rumors abound that Mike Tomlin was forced by ownership to hire Todd Haley as the Steeler’s OC. Could that be happening in Tampa bay?
It was published by Peter King and later reported by JBF that Butch Davis was Schiano’s first choice for DC. Many of the posters on JBF do not believe that the offer was made for the position of DC, instead for Defensive Line coach. I have researched 7 news outlets and have links that report that Quinn was offered the position of DC. Perhaps they were given erroneous information and I’m not going to posit that there is a disinformation campaign afoot. The facts are as they stand until refuted.
Did Schiano make the offer to Quinn after stating publicly that Butch Davis was his first choice or did Dominik make the offer meaning that Schiano is not picking his own staff?
Sooner or later the truth is going to come out and I’m going to find it!
February 9th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Macabee:
You are missing one key probability:
Butch Davis said “no.”
February 9th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Three words I’m elated to never hear again: “Greg Olson’s guy”.
February 9th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Bobby. Are you really saying that nobody has a phone # for Schiano. Cmon man.
February 9th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
@ Bobby. Im sure somebody with credentials can drive their happy ass over to One Buc and ask questions. Tell me why is everything so secretive? Whats the f***ing point?
February 9th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
@CC…I’m saying nobody that has the credentials ‘reporter’ has his phone#.
February 9th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
How do you know they haven’t driven over to ask questions? It’s their job dude. If they knew anything we would know it too.
February 9th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Ten bucks says we get an OC and DC that nobody had the slightest idea were even being interviewed or considered.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
I don’t think it matters at all that the staff is already hired before the coordinators.
Just look at the other teams that have replaced them while already having staff in place.
Sure…as the coordinators prove successful they might have some say, but the GM is the boss.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Eric, you mean they would have the gall to hire somebody before the JBF posters have said yea or nay? The nerve!!
February 9th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Macabee :
Joe was also under the impression that Quinn was under consideration for defensive line coach, not so much as defensive coordinator.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Look they can’t bellow from the mountain tops who they are pursuing, especially college coaches who would want to keep that type of thing quiet till the deal was done. Alumni get touchy about that kinda stuff.
I cant recall anybody who speaks openly to the press about these things.
To me, the longer time must mean they have some folks in mind we dont know of.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Bobby. Thats what Im sayin dude. Why all the secrecy? If these aholes really wanted to hire the best qualified coaches, they would have to spend money. Its obvious to me they either don’t want to spend money or they don’t have the money to spend.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Joe, A number of newspapers and several websites including PFT have reported that he interviewed for the positionof DC. I am not disputing anybody at this point because there has been no official Buc releases on anything that has been reported.
All the buzz recently has been about the OC position as if the DC position is settled.I don’t understand why all the secrecy. I’m really OK with whoever they pick, nor am I trying to prove anybody right or wrong here.
This is football. There is no Woodward and Bernstein moment here, but a little openess here, like all the other NFL teams that are hiring personnel, would go a long way toward building trust in whatever decisions they make!
February 9th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
How do you square the no money spending theory with offering Chip Kelly six million/year?
February 9th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
If the Glazers already have the OC and DC in place they are ‘C.I.A.’ good about secrecy…and yet it’s hard to believe they don’t have them in place. My guess is they are just ironing out the details. Either that or Schiano is telling his attorney “What do you mean I can’t get out of this contract!??”
February 9th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Eric. Its called history. Fact we are at the bottom of the NFL in salary for the past 5 years.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Just to throw another log on this “secrecy” fire:
Schiano is known to be the Anti-Rah in terms of communicating w/the media. I’d expect that this is how his entire tenure will be. Less incite into the comings and goings at OBP and more coachspeak.
“Just keep chopping that wood men.” lol
February 9th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
@cc,
Your right, but then again nobody put a gun to their heads to offer Kelly six million per year. Thats more than they were paying Chucky.
Im wating to see who the coordinators are before the cheap label can be applied to the staff. I am hoping to be pleasantly suprised. If, however, we end up with the oc/dc from the University of Nobody you will be correct.
Was thinking we had a bit of ray of hope of a change in mentality with that kelly offer.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Eric. Well said. I agree with that.
February 9th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
PFT reported the same article that was out. I dont think it was for DC either. I have heard reports it was for DL and not DC and it said it was to interview, nowhere did it say Offered the Job.
Either way it was good press for Quinn.
February 9th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
jvato, I don’t call names or say disparaging things about a persons intelligience, It is not my MO. Your’re an intelligent man and you can read so it not too much to ask you to read the 1st and 2nd paragraphs from this PFT article. Remember, It’s easy to change opinions, but facts are stubborn things!
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/06/report-bucs-turned-down-by-florida-defensive-coordinator-quinn/
February 9th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Macabee,
I can also find some articles that said CHip Kelly was a done deal to TAMPA and had his staff assembled.
My point is … Who knows what the truth is … Melvin is supposed to be the DL coach for the Bucs … and also the Dolphins.
I personally have a hard time believing we have hired this Defensive Staff without a DC … SOmething just doesnt make sense.
February 9th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
After this the real salary cap will be in place so the talk of the cheap Glazers should go away. Looks like to me they new it was coming so they took a chance. We’ll see soon enough how active they are in free agency in the first and second wave and what players are released. As far as coaches go it is what it is. There is no draft for coaches for a reason.
February 9th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
jvato, If you read my last post to Joe you will know that I share your frustration. I don’t know the truth either, but I know what has been reported. Perhaps as others have suggested, we’re going to have to wait for this drama to unfold. My intent is not to prove anybody wrong. If I had to confess to anything, it’s that I’m not convinced yet that things have changed at One Buc! The bottom line is that I hope we get good coaches no matter how we come by them or who they are!
February 9th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Eric: I would not put too much importance on this leaked 6 mill offer to Kelly especially after Schiano is being paid 3. A) was it offered as a desperate, face-saving offer after Kelly had already rejected a lower offer and told them no? B) this is a familiar Buc tactic to offer a contract amount that pays a lot in max total value but when you look at the guarantees and unlikely to be earned incentive money it really is a lot less. Albert haynesworth anyone?
This team hired a political spin doctor for a reason, to manipulate public perception.
I think that they will be forced to spend more this year but something wreaks about the 6 mill Kelly offer – for one thing why 6 mill for Kelly he only makes 2. It makes no sense.
February 10th, 2012 at 7:04 am
Im just psyched the Bucs hire Billy Raye Valentine..he can teach his quart o blood technique…I hit em and quart o blood drop out!”
Oh..billy raye..billy raye