Florida Assistant Rebuffs Bucs’ Overtures
February 6th, 2012
The search through college football to add to new Bucs coach Greg Schiano’s staff continues. Schiano apparently put out bait for Florida defensive coordinator Dan Quinn, but Quinn will stay put with the Gators, per longtime Gainesville Sun Gators beat writer/columnist Pat Dooley on Twitter.
@pat_dooley: According to my sources, UF DC Dan Quinn interviewed for Tampa Bay Bucs DC but turned it down.
Joe is hoping two things here:
1) Part of the delay (?) of grabbing assistants is the Bucs and Schiano are, in a term Bucs rock star general manager Mark Dominik used, exercising “due diligence.”
2) The Bucs plan to interview coaches on Bill Belicheat and Tom Coughlin’s staffs.
Quinn would have been an interesting hire as he has roughly 10 years of NFL experience, mostly as a defensive line coach.
February 6th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Logically that means no Butch?
February 6th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
He could have been considered for a position coaches.. but who knows..
February 6th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
I am officially close to pushing the Panic Button. I can’t imagine Pats/Giants coordinators leaving their teams for same role w/TB.
February 6th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Pretty bad when you get shot down from the college ranks.
February 6th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
“I am officially close to pushing the Panic Button. I can’t imagine Pats/Giants coordinators leaving their teams for same role w/TB.”
No kidding… it’d be position coaches getting promotions.
February 6th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Turning it down, means he didn’t like the philosophy or didn’t like the money – both cause for concern?
You don’t have to be ‘offered’ a job to decline it, but he was interviewed. There’s something about the Bucs coaches don’t like, regardless of that reason, we’ll end up settling for the ones that won’t care. That’s my take.
February 6th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
You mean people are turning down a chance to work for the Bucs? I’m speechless! Why am I also getting the feeling that free agency is going to be a tough sell for top FAs?
February 6th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
I think there may be more than just 2 variables bucfanjeff.. At the very least the Bucs reputation precedes the call of a former Rutgers coach and the questionable decision to hire him.
February 6th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
One would think going from DC of Gators to DC of bucs would be a significant professional advancement.
Do a good job here and might get a HC gig in the pros, or head up a big time college program.
Odd.
And the guy is a former DL coach in the pros. Doesn’t he realize rock has a smorgasboard of future Hall of Famers on the DL?
Must not read JBF.com.
February 6th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
I hate all the speculation. It’s funny that only the few people who turn the Bucs get leaked. According to my friend’s uncle’s sister best friend Butch turned the Bucs down.
February 6th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Coaches dont want to come here because the team is in terrible shape. Just look at the defense over those last 10 games. And the ownership has not shown much financial commitment over the past several years.
The Glazers have earned a reputation for being cheap. They didnt used to be. Tampa used to be a destination coaches and free agents fought to come here because the ownership wanted to win. Not anymore. I don’t think the Glazers really care. They will make a killing profit whether the Bucs are 16-0 or 0-16. There is no motivation to field a good team in the NFL anymore.
February 6th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Who cares if he turned it down? Is that some sort of accomplishment to turn down the Bucs? Whoever we get I hope is literally breaking the door down for the job. Go Bucs!!!
February 6th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
If he’s breaking the Bucs door down then you might want to do a mental and criminal evaluation…One thing about Coach Quinn’s decision is he is not letting the kids and his current employer down at the last minute… Maybe, JUST maybe he is a man of character..
February 6th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
Let’s face it. People aren’t going to jump on board just becasue Rah was fired. We’ve got suck written all over our faces. People will jump on board when we start winning.
Position coaches from the Pats and Giants will be great. Of course, having Marty-ball would be supreme.
I’m mixed about Shiano and the other possib coaches. Nothing is exciting, but excitement alone is not a winner, just a short-term ticket seller. Spurrier and Saban were exciting, but they sucked in NFL. Jsut not sure where this is going. Color me a cynical supporter until they prove otherwise.
February 6th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
“hi, I’m Bobby Raheem Petrinomorris. O just got promoted from Coaching at Tinyville university, to head coach of The Buccaneers! That’s practically the NFL! I’ll have no clue of what to do, and will have to change pants after facing Drew Bree’s, Matt Ryan, and Cam Newton. I’ve never had a winning record at any level as a head coach. Hell, I couldn’t beat UConn!
But, I’d like to know if you want to join me on this sinking ship. Some teams admire coaches who can take humiliation! So it could get you more offers!
What do say??
Oh, and it’s cut rate, bottom dollar salary, also.”
Hard to believe everyone keeps rejecting us. I’m stunned!
February 6th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
My “sources” say he didn’t actually do a face-to-face interview. It was a preliminary interview over the phone. Sort of feeling each other out.
Of course, much like the Tampa media, I just made that up.
@JonnyThumper
If you want experience NFL coaches, they will have to be position coaches. Coordinators RARELY make lateral moves.
@Jerry
That’s a mighty big assumption.
Look at things this way, people, if college coaches turn the Bucs down, we’ll end up with more experienced coaches, right?
Really…do any of you think we’ll enter free agency without a coaching staff?
Don’t worry about the scouting…our scouting department is still intact. They likely know what Schiano wants.
Don’t panic. Don’t look for hate where it doesn’t exist.
February 6th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
The fact that our scouting department is intact is not a soothing fact IMO.
Oh well, least we have PJ Fleck in the fold.
Cignetti turn us down too?
February 6th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Fleck and the flecktones
February 6th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Did the Bucs even consider Bruce Arians for OC?
February 6th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
@ bulldog
LOL. So not breaking the door down, but exited about the opportunity to work with the defense at its lowest and turning the ship back around in the right direction.
I’m just sick of the hype in the cloud of silence under the new regime. However I do appreciate the new void of information in respect to keeping ideas in the building instead of in opponents minds. I’m glad that he is dedicated to his current team and I agree that character out rules a bigger paycheck.
February 6th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
Whew, I was worried we would get a gator coordinator and all the sec studs, Cam Newton, Mark Ingram and Julio Jones would start licking their chops.
February 6th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
What the hell is going on? Why can’t we seem to bring a staff together? This is getting ridiculous. I am starting to believe the rumors that we are not making appropriate offers (low balling on salary and length of contract) for these potential assistant coaches. I put the blame squarely on our supposed rock star GM. My God, I could probably do a better job than him.
February 6th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Why wouldn’t anyone want to come here? There’s only one direction for this team to go, and all the coaches will look like geniuses because of it.
February 6th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Oh, stop yer whining.
February 6th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
I really believe they are waiting to announce until most or all of the hires are complete.
February 6th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
@Josh – if that were the case, why let it out that we signed PJ Fleck? No, this thing is just taking way too long.
February 6th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
My God. You guys sound like a bunch of crap-filled diaper toting infants. Re-freaking lax. Who knows what happened with the Gator D Coord. Maybe the Bucs and he were just not a good fit. Just because he said he is not interested, how can you ASSume he was offered the job? I love how the Glazers are so quiet about everything yet everyone ASSumes the Glazers are going to keep close to the wallet. Even if they do, this will be their last year of said cheapness. Just settle down and let us see where this thing goes.
February 6th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
There was a rumor not too long ago that the Bucs have been having trouble hiring coaches because the Glazers like to get cheap not necessarily with salary but with regard to benefits, pensions, and how coaches are paid if they were to be fired.
Don’t know if it is true, but it would explain why coaches aren’t all that excited about coaching here.
February 6th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Dude must see something in Will Muschamp that the rest of us don’t.
Hell LSU and BAMA are stacked. Gators are in for a long period of second tier SEC.
Puzzling declination.
Wonder if the rumors of the bucs offering contracts without guarantees are true. Butch Davis definately wouldnt go for that.
February 6th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
@Jerry
Your key word there is “rumor”.
February 6th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
I would not be surprised that Dominik is offering “no guarantee” contracts (probably directed by the Glazers). Having completely failed with the last coaching staff (including firing the original OC before the season even started and the DC during the season), I am sure Dom is feeling a bit gun shy. He probably has zero confidence in his oun decision making right now. C’mon Man!
February 6th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
What a bunch of gossipers, lol. You guys are like a bunch of old ladies in a church dinner.
February 6th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Some folks on here would be all excited if we hired the equipment manager at UCF as HC, and got his staff from community colleges.
February 6th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Let’s look at the bright side, at least these unheralded coordinators/position coaches we’re now left to hire won’t be leaving us after a year or two for a head coaching spot like Spags, Nolan and Chud probably will…while the division rivals will have turnover, we’ll have consistency…
February 6th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
I agree with the report out the other day that the Bucs should have hired Spagnuolo, even if they didn’t have a HC yet. it was stupid IMO to let him go to the Saints. And Steve was available for quite a while. I’m not surprised the Bucs were turned down and I doubt he’ll be the last to decline an opportunity here. As soon as my hope meter goes up, they show more stupidity (behind the scenes) and my hope drops again. There seems to be a very high level of incompetence coming from the Dark Annals of OBP.
I still don’t understand why the Bucs don’t ever consider talking to any of their former players about coaching here. What about Ike Hilliard as a WR coach? We all know the D line knowledge Steve White has because of his critiques and solutions to their D line play, but yet they would rather hire the D line Coach from the Southeast Corner of Louisiana State University. What about Shelton Quarles? He is already on staff. The Bucs had Greg Lloyd a couple years ago as an intern, what about him? I’m back to thinking the Buc Braintrust is clueless again, and now we have a new Coach in a bad situation that may be hung out to dry, leading a staff that has been rode hard and put away wet. I have no freakin clue anymore. Why would any Patriot or Giant coach want to come here? I don’t see it and they were stupid to fire Keith Millard after one banged up Season.
February 6th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Some folks in here like to bitch and whine without knowing the whole story, just going off of rumor and gossip. I believe most (not all) Bucs fans realize changes to the roster must be made other then to continue to rely solely on the draft to make a dramatic improvement.
March 15th is the start of a very important time, until then please continue whining ladies.
February 6th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
@ Bulldog
“One thing about Coach Quinn’s decision is he is not letting the kids and his current employer down at the last minute… Maybe, JUST maybe he is a man of character..”
That’s a really silly stance. I’ve got a ton of questions about Schiano but his character isn’t one of them, especially if you question his character based on him taking the job before National Signing Day.
The timing was out of his control b/c he didn’t receive an offer from the Bucs until right before National Signing Day, he left BEFORE the new kids were signed so they had an opportunity to switch schools, the AD & President knew about the interviews before he took the job.
You can question Chip Kelly character all you want for flip flopping and coming up with a flimsy excuse but Schiano didn’t do anything wrong in this situation.
February 6th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Frustrating team to follow.
February 6th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Shouldn’t wasted all that time with their smoke and mirror\cloak and dagger approach. We NEED an OC and QB coach to develop Freeman. Seems like they didn’t get that memo about staff continuity from top to bottom.I’m trying to stay as positive about this from the start, but I’m begining to wonder about who the OC and QB coach will be and the quality of them.
February 6th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Or maybe he is smart enough to know 1 yr. as college DC is not enough experience ,unlike Raheem, and decided to stay put for a while.
Giants QB coach Sullivan as Bucs OC?
February 6th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Joe,
Can you just give Pete D his own column already? I mean, just let him write a blog entry a day (cause he already does this in the comments section)… under one condition: This condition is that he is NOT ALLOWED to comment in other articles.
I think Pete has earned it. I also think your readers have earned it too! 🙂
February 6th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
same money as the gators pay so why move to tampa??
February 6th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Given the PJ Fleck hiring, all those folks who said 55 is unqualified are looking a bit silly.
Unless you think PJ Fleck knows more about WR’s in the NFL than Brooks would know about LB’s.
Maybe they can land somebody from Giants staff. Sullivan sure looks qualified.
February 6th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Forget about Sullivan. Giants would never grant permission.
February 6th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
It is all speculation and we don’t know the details… but keep on piling on and hating on the team you “claim” you love.
Pathetic.
Maybe he was not offered.
Maybe he does not want to go back to the pros. that is a very good possibility. Many, many college coaches want to stay in college. Plus Florida is a big time college school, it is not like he is coming from a small school trying to make a name.
I am not saying I am buying any of that, I am just saying it is all speculation at this point and we do not know the details.
I wish they would get the coaches hired this week and I have a feeling they will.
I still think Butch Davis becomes the DC and I hope they get McNulty as the OC
February 6th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
@ Dave
Some of the hate is warranted man. We were the last team to hire an HC and it looks like we’re going to be the last to hire a staff. The Raiders have hired multiple staff members and hired the co-DC from Stanford.
The longer this takes (and more stories that come out like this & Chip Kelly turning us down) the more we look like we don’t know what we’re doing or that coaches don’t want to come here.
February 6th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Can we just hire Butch and get this over with!
February 6th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Nothing hateful, just good bucs fans wanting the best for the team, and skeptical (understandably) based on the horrific/heinous finish to last season – which was supposedly casued by the coaching staff.
Thus, the coaching staff is a concern.
Unless you want to just go with the “everything the bucs do is great” approach, which is fine with me. Go for it.
Whats the matter with Todd Haley? He was OC for Cards during their SB run.
February 6th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
@Buc You 2.2
I don’t care what anyone says…that right there is some funny stuff 😉
February 6th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
…What ever happened to the Butch Davis rumor !?!? And why all the silence / Why would the Glazers be keeping anything secret right now, because we sure as hell aint competing with anybody else. Everybody else has made their hires already !!! WTF
February 6th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
This is simple: Coaches at Florida don’t taker steps back to Rutgers.
February 6th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
I call bullspit. Sorry, SensibleBuc.
You all criticism the Bucs for being the final team to fill spots…but who is to say that those other teams will be any better for it?
What does it matter if we take another 3 weeks if in 2-3 years Schiano has us being the next Pats or the next green bay? Or the next giants?
If that happens not a person that isn’t named Thomas will complain about how long it took to fill the coaching positions.
I’m for getting it right. If that takes longer…so be it.
February 6th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
If we were the first team to hire coaches the same people who are bitching how long it is taking would bitch that we moved too fast and hired without thinking it through. There is no appeasing some fans.
February 6th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Who cares, he is a Gator. Now if you get a Seminole in here, that would be worth an article.
Question: What do you get if you drive through Gainesville, Fl very fast?
Answer: A diploma…
February 6th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Oh look, the Raiders signed Stanford assistant Jason Tarver as Defensive Coordinator.
A COLLEGE COACH. AS. DC.
@BucFan…that was funny, lol
February 6th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Did ANYONE with an ounce of sense ever stop to think that if the man coached for 10 years in the NFL and is now coaching in the college ranks that he is just tired of the rat race in the NFL and wants to stay in college? No….that would make too much sense. Of course he turned us down because of money, Glazers are cheap…blah.blah…blah.
February 6th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Sensibile, silly? Didn’t DO anything, taken from your computer chair one might assume that but go to the school and ask the players the students the faculty the administration,the athletic dept and the alumni how they feel about the coach quitting 1 week before recruitment.AND all the High School kids, including the one he LEFT HANGING to interview. Not to mention trying to take as many assistant coaches with them..they might see it differently than you do. I find that disturbing. Silly Me
February 6th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Tarver has extensive NFL experience.
February 6th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
@Bulldog
And it would have been better to make all sorts of promises to recruits AND THEN BAIL ON THEM?
God, grow up people, lol.
February 6th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Arent all the “non worriers” on here the same group that said Raheem was just fine and dandy?
February 6th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
They said the Titanic was fine too…
February 6th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
@BucFan South Tampa- isn’t state an all girls school? north to you smell it, west till you step in it. Go Gators!
February 6th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Pete, I am grown up. The point is he WOULDN’T leave given the circumstance Pete. Not quite sure how you came up with that little diddy. And what makes you think he didn’t already visit any recruits ? You might not have any issues with that but I do. And that’s ok too , as is your opinion , regardless of IF your all grown up or not.
February 6th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
I don’t know why all the worry. This has been settled as of last week by a poster on PR. And yes he posts here too. So the Glazers and Dom must have given him this information.
“It will be Tomsula on Defense and Cristobal on offense. You read it here first!” He is after all one of our experts so it must be true!
February 6th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Todd Haley to the Steelers. If you do a search on Bucs or Schiano it pulls up as us being denied by the college coach. It seems we’re just getting laughed at. It’s sickening. Come on Bucs let’s do something impressive.
February 6th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Ok, I think we have waited long enough now. I have no idea what the thinking is behind keeping assistant coaching hirings silent, but it’s starting to border on ridiculous now.
There is absolutely no way that they have gone this long without hiring coordinators. I can totally understand wanting to take the time to make the right hires, but the second Schiano took this job he knew who he was going to target. Get it done so we can move on already. This organization loves to hold it’s fan’s hostage for some reason.
February 6th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
@ Bulldog
“Didn’t DO anything, taken from your computer chair one might assume that but go to the school and ask the players the students the faculty the administration,the athletic dept and the alumni how they feel about the coach quitting 1 week before recruitment.AND all the High School kids, including the one he LEFT HANGING to interview.”
Quite the sob story you have there Bulldog…but I’m unmoved.
The problem with your argument is that there’s no room at any point in the year for Schiano (or any other college coach) to leave without being the “bad guy”. If he leaves before signing day, he doesn’t give Rutgers a chance to hold onto kids. If he leaves after signing day, he’s accused of lying to recruits to get them to sign. If he leaves at any other point in the year he quit on all the kids/faculty/staff who has invested in him for ____ years. It’s a no-win situation under your rules.
Furthermore, if you go back and read the timeline of events, Schiano was still in negotiations when news broke. If negotiations broke down and he didn’t get the job but told his staff and all his recruits that he was leaving then Rutgers get screwed. Once again, it was a no-win situation and Schiano made the best of it.
That’s why your opinion is silly.
February 6th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
@bucfan20 if tomsula is dc, then why did they interview quinn? Your wrong buddy.
February 6th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
@ Pete
LOL I tried to lawyer my way out of it by saying “some” of the hate 🙂
Anyway…I stand by it man. The crux of the issue isn’t necessarily the timing (although it certainly doesn’t help), it’s the lack of actually closing the deal. Identify the coaches you want, make sure that they are available and actually get them to sign on the dotted line.
We’ve seen two types of coaches that he’s wanted to bring in: 1) Current/Recent NFL position coaches (i.e. McNulty & Quinn) or 2) Rutgers coaches (i.e. PJ Fleck). What type of staff do they want?
If you’re going to bring in all your old Rutgers buddies go ahead and do it. What are we waiting for? I’m sure they’d love the pay bump and prestige that comes with moving up from the Big East to the NFL. That falls in line with the theory that he wants to fill his staff with guys he’s comfortable with…
If you’re going to bring experienced NFL guys, make sure you can land them and go get them. What are we waiting for? Why can’t we close? If you really wanted Quinn then throw at ton of money at the guy and go get him. Hue Jackson, Todd Haley, Butch Davis and others are out there. Go get them if you want legit, experienced coordinators who you don’t have a connection with.
It’s been 12 days since Schiano was hired and our only hire has been a WR coach. Maybe “hate” is too strong of a word but “questioning” or criticizing the duration & quality of Coach Schiano’s search is fine by me.
February 6th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
@ ClayBURN
Read what I wrote. It was not my expert statement!! I damn sure know I am no expert. lol.
February 6th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
…scratch Todd Haley off the list lol
February 6th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
Haley was too crazy for the Bucs but just crazy enough for the Steelers. Kinda like some folks here..chuckle
February 6th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
haley probably wanted a legit contract
February 6th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Yeah, guaranteed money, bonuses and benefits, a salary that isn’t the lowest in the league.
I hear Fleck may get promoted to OC., and coach Petrinomorris may handle the Dc job- taDa- staff pretty much set. We’ll get the rest from local high schools!
February 6th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Do you realize how silly you all sound? LOL! Really like a bunch of kids wondering why none of the presents under the tree look like a basketball only to find that the basketball was wrapped in a square box. I’m assuming that Schiano meant what he said when he said that the coaching staff search was like a flow chart, ‘if this guy is available then this guy will fit’ etc. I’m betting a lot more pieces are in place than we realize. Contrary to popular opinion, you don’t get to be a billionaire by being an idiot. Capt. you prove that with every post. Give the negative spin a break and let the guy prove his worth the same way every coach has to. Your obsession is starting to sound a lot like Thomas with McCoy. You don’t like the hire…we get it. Move on buddy. He’s the coach like it or not. Is it too much to give him a chance and maybe display a little positive outlook or is it just your nature to be an asshole.
February 6th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Al saunders for oc. would be a perfect fit.look him up if you don’t know him. i can’t believe how much worry is on this board.we will be fine. we dont want a 1-2 year hire .we have to get someone who can really shape freeman.
on d there are plenty of guys who are solid position coaches who can make the jump.I heard quinn was not offered the dc but was a position coach slot.thats why no go.san frans d-line coach would be a great look at dc,singeltary,bowles,but davis is the best fit and will prob be the one.have u heard him come out and deny it? they are probably working thru details.bet we are all set by weeks end with frazer as lb and cignetti as qb coach
February 6th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Does Chuck Noll have any kids ?? Maybe we can look them up.
February 6th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
The fact that they have not made any official announcements could very well mean they are speaking to candidates we don’t know about.
Im sure they could have wrapped up cignetti if that was their guy.
Perhps no news is good news.
Id sure hate to see our promising new coach with anything less than an outstanding and experienced staff – he is gonna need it with this roster IMO along with a great draft in April plus some good FA’s.
However, if we end up with the lowest staff payroll to match up with lowest player payroll then the Glazer boys deserve any and all fan discontent.
February 6th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Well Haley’s off the list.
And we’re left wondering if we’re going to get CIGNETTI or not. LMAO
Hire Hue Jackson and be done with it Dom!! Sick of you and the Bucs always dragging ass in everything!!
Whohoo…Cignetti and McNulty know Schiano..so what. Does that mean they’re going to be good coordinators?
February 6th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
How about Kirby Smart, Alabama DC.
What the heck if they want to go college get the guy who coachs the number one defense in the land.
They could have held our bucs under 24 points.
February 6th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
Thank you Bobby! The man hasn’t coached a game yet! Also Gruden came from “tiny little” Dayton U. But he doesn’t know anything about coaching.
February 6th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Pat Narduzzi DC. It would work!
February 6th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
We don’t yet know who the new coaches are?!?! The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
February 6th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Kirby Smart??? Interesting choice. He might work well under Schiano and I believe he did coach backs for the Dolphins at one point. Bama has had tough defenses with Nick Saban & Smart, but I doubt the Bucs could outbid Bama for his services and NFL DC would be a big jump forr Kirby. I still like the choice and have heard much worse.
February 6th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Seems like contract terms and money are getting us alot of” thanks, but no thanks” answers.
Bobby , I realize you are all excited, like a lil kid a christmas! You wanna blindly jump up and down, go ahead. I’m not telling you how to feel.
But like a kid on Christmas, afraid you are about to be disappointed. Your parents are cheap, and not interested in making you happy. They just want to spend as little as possible. We have the lowest payroll in the league. We had the lowest paid coaching staff in the league.
So far, looks like this staff will be even cheaper!
Or do you believe they hired a 32 year old, with no NFL coaching experience, to coach our young WRs- because he was the most qualified??
Come on! That’s a little to blind for me. Being a fan doesn’t mean they can Pee on you, and you thank them for the rain shower!
If they hire Butch Davis, that would be a smart hire. So far, they are just making cheap hires. All the experts can’t be wrong. It’s Raheem Moriss/ Bobby Petrino part 2
February 6th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
See this as just another agent leak. The fact that Quinn interviewed for the position means little, much like Childress and Philips interviewing for the HC position. Even if there was no offer even made, agent gets Quinn’s name out there for future consideration of other openings in the NFL & college knowing that the team won’t get into a he said/she said of whether there was an offer made or not. It’s very likely team is doing similar fact-finding interviews for OC & DC as they did to land a HC.
February 6th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
When Dungy got here nobody new his staff either, luvie and marrinelli were college asst.Relax college guys will be fine we need teachers!
February 6th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
YouTube PJ Fleck and you’ll see him dance, maybe that is what they brought him in for is end zone dances. Lol
February 6th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
@capt Tim… ALL THE EXPERTS can’t be wrong? One guy said Schiano would be like Petrino.. All the other experts said it was a good hire. All the negativity in this town sucks. Let the guy fail before we crucify him.
February 6th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
God, you people make me sick. I really do not think you understand what it means to be a fan.
@Brad
We actually agree on something.
@Capt. Tim 2.2
You realize you have slipped back to your naysaying ways simply because they are taking their time to get coaches? You are looking at pure rumors, and deciding to believe them instead of choosing to believe the team you choose to be a fan of.
Well, I can tell you this much…and this is truth, not rumor…I’ve actually been in touch with a certain member of the staff at One Buc Place…not a big wig, but not anything like a cashier either. Someone with back office authority.
And I can tell you that the Bucs have bigger plans than you realize.
When Schiano said the fans would see an all new Bucs…he wasn’t lying.
Personally, I don’t think they SHOULD spend large sums of money on staff or players this year. There are just too many holes to fill. But the Buccaneer Way is a new way of doing things apparently.
So just be patient and watch. Quit trying to tear the corner of the package to see what your present is. Quit listening to guess work local media types are applying because they’re not getting their questions asked by One Buc Place.
Those guys have been attacking the Bucs for too long. They’ve worn out their welcomes…and they know it. That’s why they are coming out with more negative things to say. It’s all made up.
And the best news? You don’t have to believe me. Just be patient and watch. That’s it. Just…watch.
Things are happening right now. Just stay tuned.
February 6th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
The Capt used to be the biggest kool-aid drinker on this site.
But Thomas somehow spiked his Kool-aid with arsenic and now he’s
crossed over to the dark side.That’s ok-he will cross back over when
Schiano has this team playing competetive again.
February 6th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
mark should be fired for this.
February 6th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
We’re gonna end up with the Cleveland Indians coaching staff from Major League. Maybe we can dust off Dorn and Joe Boo.
Jesus, can someone wake up Malcolm before his kids jump the ditch and put us in the ravine.
February 6th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
Lakeland Bob- I’ve said every time, I hope I’m wrong. Again, it’s not that I think Schiano can’t coach- it’s the gigantic leap from a tiny school to the NFL that I( and many others) don’t think is possible. Especially with the leagues youngest team, that just got their last inexperienced coach fired. And hiring a 32 year old, who has only coached at tiny schools for a few years- to try and turn around our young WRs? It’s just crazy.
I thought management was going to hire the best, most qualified Coaches for these young players to learn from. Instead, we are hiring coaches with less NFL experience than the kids they are supposed to be teaching.
It is a long, long way from Northern Illinois university, or Rutgers, to the NFL.
We couldn’t find an experienced assistant, or former Head coach, with the NFL experience and knowledge to teach these kids? Really
Everyone who thinks Fleck, At 32, with squat for playing or coaching experience- is going to get Williams and Benn to be pro WRs, let me know. Then tell me what it is in his extremely limited career that leads you to believe so!
Not looking for the best. Looking for the cheapest again.
Nice to see you back again, Lakeland Bob
February 6th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
By the way- as for the “endorsements “for Shiano
If you think Bill belicheat, or any other Current NFL employee, Is gonna say” wow, that hiring sucked, what were they thinking?” you’re crazy. You have never seen that, and never will. Nobody employed wants to burn a possible Bridge. Plus the NFL has a strict conduct code that prevents critizing another teams ownership. They all are required to say happy things
Ryan and Kirwan are not required to. They risk losing Acess to the Bucs. But they stlll say what they feel. The Shiano hiring is being Viewed as a puzzling move, considering the youth of the team.
Its crazy, really.
February 6th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
@Capt. Tim
I completely agree with your concern with a young guy like Fleck trying to make our young WR’s into Pro’s. I disagree with you on Schiano. I think he stands a great chance to buck the college coach trend IF he gets full support from the FO and ownership. That is an absolutely monsterous IF. It’s not Schiano that needs to prove a damn thing to me, I know he can coach, it’s ownership that needs to prove to us that they’re ready to start winning.
February 6th, 2012 at 11:52 pm
GotBucs- an experienced, pro staff would help tremendously. But Schiano has never proven to anybody that he can coach. He’s proven he can’t beat UConn. He’s proven he could never win the big east. He’s proven je can play .500 ball in the big east- not exactly a powerhouse conference. He spent Less time coaching in the NFL than Raheem. Years ago. He got fired, and no NFL team wanted to hire him.
Til us. I want to see out the Pewter glasses, I really do. But I can’t see where he’s ever proven he can coach anywhere- much less the NFL.
To me, and everyone I’ve heard who is allowed to speak freely- this hiring seems like a huge mistake.
Except Pat Yak- and that makes me even more nervous! He’s ALWAYS wrong,
Add in PJ Fleck, and it seems like a disaster waiting to happen. And we just had an identical one last year!!!
February 6th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
…..gonna laugh my a@@ off when Marty comes in as OC…….
February 7th, 2012 at 1:04 am
This is really becoming an embarrassment.
What the hell are they asking these guys in the interviews?
February 7th, 2012 at 1:21 am
Capt
I’m on my eReader so can’t type much, but your comments above are full of holes…along with a deception or two. Maybe I’ll list them in the morning.
February 7th, 2012 at 1:29 am
Is there like a Harbaugh half brother that needs a coaching job. Dom is currently scouting all the 5A schools on the Tampa area.
February 7th, 2012 at 8:09 am
What doesnt make any sense is that Tim was rahrah’s biggest supporter – RahRah had no credentials whatsoever. Pj fleck’s resume is superior to Rah’s and he will get respect for having played in the league. Rah sucked as a div1aa player before sucking as a coach.
Tim is just angry bc his lust over rah made him look stupid in the end so he is taking it out on Schiano.
No objective person would ever argue that rah was qualified but Schiano no – that is completely senseless.
February 7th, 2012 at 8:10 am
Schiano not
February 7th, 2012 at 9:02 am
Capt-surely his staff selections will be an upgrade over Olsen and Morris.Even if he brings in colledge coach’s.Schiano coached at a small school,but all of his players were NFL ready. They need a disciplined coach who knows how to teach players and delegate authority and I think Schiano will be just fine.Lets wait until he finishes putting his staff together to crucify the man.
Email me you address Capt and I will send a new pair of Pewter glasses.
Better days are right around the corner.
February 7th, 2012 at 9:15 am
Captn,,,I wonder if letting Belicheats son come in as a walk on had any little thing to do with that ringing endorsement. Makes no difference now. Too little too late. The Bucs are run by a pair of Testosterone starved Soccer fans. I have not up to this point paid any attention to the Glazer hate & distrust. But this situation from the total firings to the lack of expedient hiring has painted an all to clear picture. Where oh where are them Outback boys when you need them?
February 7th, 2012 at 9:37 am
You naysayers act like the difference between college and the pros is like pop warner to college. It’s not. Do you forget that the pros are composed of former college players? Do you forget that every year rookies are making more and more of an impact? Now why do you suppose that is? Could it be that the coaching is getting so much better at the college level as they implement pro style training and systems? Didn’t Belichick say that Schiano turned out NFL ready players? If you know how to coach football then you know how to coach football…period. The game is faster and more sophisticated at the NFL level but don’t you think these coaches study the NFL and try to implement as much as they can at the college level? Of course they do. They are not ignorant of what’s going on in the NFL, they just may not have the personnel to run similar type schemes at the college level. Jimmy Johnson brought in mostly college coaches to Dallas and he did fine. I just think it’s absolutley stupid to say that a college WR coach will be absolutely clueless at the NFL level. Why?? Do the routes suddenly change in the NFL?? Does a post pattern become flag route at the NFL level or does the whole concept of running crisp routes become different? I don’t think so. Good college receivers seem to do just fine in the NFL and they do so because they have been taught well at the college level. They don’t learn it all over again in the pros, they just hone the skills. Good teachers and good coaches can coach at any level with the right players. I think the Bucs have the talent.
February 7th, 2012 at 9:49 am
@Capt. Tim
I mentioned last night I would try to address your comments this morning, so here goes:
I’ve said every time, I hope I’m wrong. Again, it’s not that I think Schiano can’t coach- it’s the gigantic leap from a tiny school to the NFL that I( and many others) don’t think is possible. Especially with the leagues youngest team, that just got their last inexperienced coach fired. And hiring a 32 year old, who has only coached at tiny schools for a few years- to try and turn around our young WRs? It’s just crazy.
It’s no more impossible than an experienced NFL coach’s chance of failure. People point out that most college coaches that make the switch into the NFL fail. First, this is a falsehood. Plenty come over into none head coach positions and do fine.
But even if we talk about the ones coming into the head coaching positions, it’s a numbers game. How many instances has it been tried? Nine? And out of them, there have been how many successes? 3? 4? I’m too sleepy to do the research, but off the top of my mind, I can think of 3.
That’s a 33% success rate.
So now compare that to how many experienced NFL coaches that became first time head coaches and have failed. Now that is a large number, and one I’m not willing to go through. But I bet there is a lesser success rate than 33%.
In fact, just over the last 10 years, how many “experienced” NFL Coaches that were promoted have failed?
This is all worth considering.
We couldn’t find an experienced assistant, or former Head coach, with the NFL experience and knowledge to teach these kids? Really?
You mean out of the “1” position they’ve filled? You know how that sounds? You are holding something against the Bucs that HASN’T BEEN ADDRESSED YET.
Before you start attacking them on their choices, don’t you think you should wait UNTIL THEY MAKE THOSE CHOICES?????
Everyone who thinks Fleck, At 32, with squat for playing or coaching experience- is going to get Williams and Benn to be pro WRs, let me know. Then tell me what it is in his extremely limited career that leads you to believe so!
Schiano has already said…he’s about helping players get better and helping his coaches get better. WR Coach is not a bad spot for a college coach…especially one that has worked with Schiano. You don’t think a college guy can teach pass catching and route running? Please. One thing college guys are known for is “teaching”…and our guys clearly need more of that. Pro guys tend to just drill players, not teach them. WR Coach is one of the positions I would RATHER have a college guy in.
Not looking for the best. Looking for the cheapest again.
Just curious…how many Wide Receiver coaches get paid top dollar? I thought so.
By the way- as for the “endorsements “for Shiano
If you think Bill belicheat, or any other Current NFL employee, Is gonna say” wow, that hiring sucked, what were they thinking?” you’re crazy. You have never seen that, and never will. Nobody employed wants to burn a possible Bridge. Plus the NFL has a strict conduct code that prevents critizing another teams ownership. They all are required to say happy things
EXCEPT…
…Belicheat recommended him in a private phone conversation BEFORE THE HIRE. Schiano was not an NFL coach so he did not fall under the rules you speak of. After he was hired, do you really think he should change his tune? Get real, Capt. Tim
But Schiano has never proven to anybody that he can coach.
That is the lie I mentioned last night. A STRAIGHT OUT LIE.
You mention the failures quick enough…but you neglect to mention the success…probably because it proves what you said is a lie. Schiano proved he can coach by turning around Rutgers. Period. For over a decade, he proved he has the skills.
So you may mention “not at an NFL level”…true…but he has not attempted it until now at head coach. The only other NFL opportunity came when he was very young and inexperienced. So you really don’t know if he can succeed or not. You just want to find a reason to be negative.
Consider this…many coaches fail their first time around, learn from it and come back to be successful. Consider this Schiano’s second chance then. And he didn’t all out fail last time. He had a level of success. His head coach got the boot, along with the rest of the staff. Schiano had shown the potential to be successful. You don’t know what kept him from achieving that potential.
The head coach was fired for a reason. Is it fair to assume the HC had nothing to do with Schiano not doing better at the time…which again…was very early in his coaching career?
You mentioned that you want to put on Pewter colored glasses…you will need to take off those blinders first.
February 7th, 2012 at 9:49 am
If that was the case then why have so many college coaches flopped?
February 7th, 2012 at 9:49 am
Joe, could you fish my comment out of the spam folder again?
Pete: Try writing shorter comments with much less WordPress/HTML codes. Your excessive use of these codes is triggering the spam filter on your comments. — Joe
February 7th, 2012 at 9:54 am
Well said, Bobby…though a few carriage returns would have been nice 😉
February 7th, 2012 at 9:56 am
Bulldog Says:
February 7th, 2012 at 9:49 am
If that was the case then why have so many college coaches flopped?
They haven’t. That’s a myth. A LOT of college coaches come into the NFL and have success at the position coaching spots…which is exactly what we’re discussing.
February 7th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Sure Pete, Here’s another Peter for ya!
Pete Carroll
Bobby Petrino
Lane Kiffin
Nick Saban
Dennis Erikson
Steve Spurrier >My favorite
Mike Riley
Yep, I bow to your infinite wisdom.
February 7th, 2012 at 11:41 am
We are only going to have 2 coaches….Greg & P.J. That way more money for FA this year.
February 7th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
@Bulldog…I would imagine that those same doom and gloom philosophy’s applied to Jim Harbaugh too. The point is….you never know how a coach is going to do until he gets the chance. The circumstances are different for every coach and every team. Why kind of situation did they come into? Did they have a franchise QB in place? Did they have a good group of core players with lots of money to spend in FA and a #5 draft pick? I’m not going to doom this guy before he even starts. That’s just being negative for the sake of being negative. I don’t care what history shows. Jim Harbaugh bucked history. Jimmy Johnson did too. A lot of it depends on what they inherit. When Johnson went to Miami he never did much because the defense sucked but he had won two super bowls at Dallas. Did he stop being a good coach? Did he just get lucky at Dallas with back to back super bowls? We don’t know what’s going to happen with Schiano but I like his philosophy and I know he has a good football mind. If he doesn’t pan out then I’m sure we’ll be having this same conversation in 5 years but for now I’m optimistic about this guy. There is nothing to show me this guy doesn’t have all the tools to coach in the NFL. Whether he is successful or not remains to be seen.
February 7th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Bobby, I hear ya and I agree. I sincerely hope to be reading for years how a small school coach came in and produced a perennial powerhouse…but the truth to me is as a business owner and someone who played. This take your time, (which equals a lack of intelligent aggression ) is one constant with the Glazer girls. And not one of the keyboard warriors can avoid the truth no matter the verbal sewage being spewed.
February 7th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Thank you, Joe.
February 7th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
You should…because those names you mention? First you picked the obvious HC failures. Second, this thread isn’t about the head coach, it’s about the coordinators and assistant coaches.
And of the coordinators and assistant coaches that came from the college ranks to the NFL to become coordinators and assistant coaches in the nfl…there have been MANY successes. You would know that if you took the time to research it instead of looking up the obvious failures.
You named 7 coaches. That is hardly all of the HC stories, is it? Take a look at them all, then compare the percentages with the percentages of NFL experienced Head Coaches. There is a higher success rate with the college coaches according to the percentages.
So…I accept your apology.