Programming Note
January 20th, 2012
Don’t you dare think Joe is slowing down because it’s the offseason. JoeBucsFan.com is a 24/7 operation.
On Saturday, Joe will publish Part I of an interesting interview he secured today with a prominent former Bucs coach on Raheem Morris’ staff. Some meaty stuff is on the way.
And on Monday, NFL Draft guru Justin “The Commish” Pawlowski, Buccaneers pregame and postgame radio host, will chime in with a draft breakdown out of the East-West Shrine Game at Tropicana Field. Also, next week Joe has another high-profile interview to share from Shrine Game practice.
Of course, Joe will be on every interesting twist and turn in the Bucs’ search for a head coach.
And for those wondering (and Joe can’t believe all the email he’s gotten on this subject), the apparently legendary Thomas 2.2 was banned from commenting on this website for crimes against Joe — lying about Joe, misrepresenting Joe, etc.
But given the groundswell of twisted love for the most negative Bucs fan in history, Joe is willing to give Thomas 2.2 another chance. So feel free to fire away, Thomas 2.2, you are welcome to a short leash.
January 20th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Hey Joe,
add a few links to Tommy’s leash, he’s right once in a while and funny at times. He must make you smile once in a while. Would love to hear that they have hired Marty. I hope you get to post it first Joe.
January 20th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
I would much rather read what thomas has to say as opposed to say” a real buc fan”.
January 20th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
I am humbled and honored from all the support of the JBFers. I still am extremely frustrated with the proprietors because I believe that my words were being twisted (I dont recall ever using the word lying as alleged) after a couple of comments that I made that were critical to the Glazers and Dom.
I was intending to take my opinions elsewhere but I wont be a baby.
The argument I was making was incorpoating statistics from a British commenter about how many Brits hate the Glazers. Joe accused me of using absurd percentages (when I was just relying on the stats of a Brit Manu fan) and things unnecessarily escalated. Fyi – I have no problem with my off-color joke (which used no inappropriate language) but allowed one’s imagination to think of something R rated.
I think that my frustration relates to my impression that criticism of Dom and the Glazers gets disproportionate objection from the Joes. I embraced this site bc it was different than other buc blogs bc objective (yes even negative) comments were encouraged.
I sensed a shift. For example, the highest rated local radio host said yesteday – I paraphrase: that it is undeniable that there is a “direct correlation” between the bucs salary depletion and the acquisition of MANU.
If i said that I would get some emotional accusation from the Joes about imagining things.
Former player after former player from Sapp to King to Doug Williams has eluded to Dom misjudging the talent level of this team – but when a commenter does it the Joes flip out – it confuses me and peeks my curiosity. If the Joes are personal friends with Dom or the Glazer sons or had some reason to object to fair criticism if them – no problem – I get it. But as far as I know that is not the case.
I honestly believed that I was being banned bc my criticism was directed at the protected entities: Rah and Dom. Much more criticism has been alleged against others without any Joe response.
I just hope that this site doesnt drift away from a blog grounded in journalism to one that is grounded in politics (of the bucs) to shape public opinion that all things Glazer and Dom are great – when clearly they arent.
Finally, I will happily support Sherman or any other competent coach so long as I dont believe that it is another $ savings and not football first decision. Again, thanks for the support commenters – even though I am often on the “negative side” (which should not be shocking based on our last 3 years) the debate is typically respectful.
January 20th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
I stopped reading Thomas about six months ago. Couldn’t care less.
January 20th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
I submitted a comment but I guess it was blocked.
January 20th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Cmon back Thomas, just censor your Joe attacks. Joe I hope this had nothing to do with the overall sediment of Mark Dominik…because you would have to screen most us.
January 20th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Off topic, but I hope no one had their heat set on Philbin, the Fins just named him their next head coach.
January 20th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
thomas = troll who cares
January 20th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Hahaha! “sediment of Mark Dominick”!
January 20th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
HAHA oh Thomas 2.2
January 20th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
@bucfan. Agree with you. Arealbuc is 10 times more annoying than Thomas.
January 20th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Joe,
I’m glad you gave Thomas 2.2 another shot. I’ve had my rants about Mr. 2.2 at times, but now that Raheem is gone Thomas won and should be a little happier. He needs to chill a little, but he is entertaining at times.
And Joe, you guys are doing a great job, a very tough job.
January 20th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
lmao I can’t believe anyone was pining for that guy. He is so slimy. I didn’t see his name in a few posts and I certainly wasn’t going to question what happened. It was really nice not seeing his piss poor attitude in every other post….. while it lasted.
January 20th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
@Brad I know what you mean , dude is always calling people out, acting like he knows everything, even his name is annoying, “arealbucfan” what am I a fake buc fan because I disagree with him?
January 20th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
The Bucs are the greatest NFL football team of ALL time!
January 20th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Well, Philbin is gone. Clements, youre on deck.
January 20th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
A little off topic bur, why are we waiting for NEXT WEEK for second interviews? Why not do it through the weekend and have the coached named by monday or tesday? What the hell is taking so long Dom and G boys?!
January 20th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
I guess that means it’s now Thomas 2.3?
@ Architek –
Sediment: the matter that settles to the bottom of a liquid. (i.e. the sediment at the bottom of the river)
Sentiment: an attitude, thought, or judgment prompted by feeling.
January 20th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
Did you block my last comment?
January 20th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Chilly is getting an interview with the Colts… Are we wrong about the guy?
The search is really bugging me. With so many possibilities, my brain goes into overload. Like trying to pick out fruit at the grocery store.
January 20th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
Really, I don’t care if Thomas is negative. And why do any of you? He actually makes some pretty good posts on here many times. Sure he’s maybe a smartass too much, but he’s actually funny sometimes.
I kind of find it silly to judge someone we’ve never even met IN PERSON before. Lol we only know him thru comment threads.
@Joe
I’m guessing the reason you banned him is because he kept making comments about you and your “love” for Dominick? He was getting real repetitive on that.
January 20th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Lmao, ANOTHER week for interviews? Has Joel been smoking with T-Jack?
January 20th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Joe,
You run a top flight site, and thank you for your consistently interesting news on all things Bucs Football.
Thanks for giving Thomas a second chance. Love it or hate it, his infamously “glass is bone dry” outlook is greatly appreciated and humorous.
You da man,
Steve
January 20th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Thomas is a troll…….don’t feed the trolls
January 20th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
2.whatever is a troll and nothing more. And now, unfortunately, he is being rewarded for it.
January 20th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
Joe here,
@Patrick – No. Joe would never ban anyone for disagreeing with Joe or for consistently disagreeing with Joe’s position. …But you lie about Joe, misrepresent Joe’s clear positions in a comment or insult Joe, then you get run.
Thomas 2.2 may never return, as Joe has no idea if he’s reading this. Correction. Joe now sees Thomas’s comment above.
January 20th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Who cares ….keep up the good work Joe
January 20th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
Patrick:
Absolutely not. Thomas was on a crusade for three years. He had a cause: to rid the Bucs of Raheem Morris. He was focused and dogged and he won. Since, not having a singular cause, he lost his focus and went crazy. Thomas turned into an old 40-year old pitcher who lost his fastball and his pitches were all over the map. As a result, he went after Joe.
Joe was chagrin to ban Thomas. Since he was a loyal reader and commenter for years and so many asked to bring him back, Joe is unlocking the door for him, so long as he behaves like everyone else.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
Thanks stevek!
January 20th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Thanks raphael!
January 20th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Thanks BigMacAttack.
You and Mr. Lucky (who doesn’t post much any more) are two of Joe’s oldest commenters.
And you knew Rachel Watson before the rest of us, so in a way, you are a celebrity to Joe! 🙂
January 20th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
ClayBURN94:
Joe actually debated about waiting until next week for Part 1.
To answer your question, Joe’s traffic dips during the weekends when the Bucs are not playing. This is pretty much a standard with most news sites (sans Friday night high school football coverage). Mondays are the busiest traffic day for Joe, as are most news sites. The weekdays get more eyeballs than the weekends.
So if Joe has a good story that doesn’t have a time element involved, there’s no reason to post it when fewer eyeballs will read it. Joe wants important stories to be published when most of his readers will have a chance to read it.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
Joe, i was talking about the coaching search. Lmao im just trying to figure out why Dom and the Glazers arent doing 2nd interviews this weekend so they can bring the coach in by monday. Thanks for the response though lol
January 20th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Thomas:
You are welcome to rag on Dominik if you will, Joe never stopped you before. Just don’t print lies about the man.
Joe believes in free thought, so long as it’s not out of control.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
You do a great job Joe, and thanks for not banning Thomas 2.2 for good.
I love reading all the different opinions here at JBF, even when they differ from my own.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
See guys… Even the great THOMAS 2.2 would be ok with THE SHERMANATOR (I hope if he becomes bucs next head coach that joe uses that as his nickname).
January 20th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
Joe,
I am still lost about what the “lie” was, but I understood you deleting my insult (the many insults directed toward me have never been deleted), btw – the first one (which wasn’t that bad) in about 3 years. It’s your site, run it how you wish, ban who you want.
But being married to this ridiculous “rockstar” nickname and refusing to embrace the patently obvious about the Glazers changing their commitment to allocating sufficient Buc payroll right after the MANU acquisition – will raise an eyebrow or two.
I believe that when you enter the fray of the commentary (not just writing the article) you are engaging in the argument like any other commenter – that means you are going to take a legal punch or two.
If I were to repeatedly and unbendingly opine, no matter what the evidence, that the 2011 Bucs had the NFL’s best linebacking corps – I would be ridiculed. That is close to the absurdity level of calling Dom a rockstar.
Now that is off my chest – I feel better!
January 20th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
Joe here,
@Thomas 2.2 – There you go again – to steal Ronald Reagan’s line. Joe didn’t write that you lied about Dominik (see above). Joe simply said feel free to criticize Dominik without lying about him. … Those are two distinctly different points. And it’s not exclusive to Dominik. Joe doesn’t stand for lies about any public figures here. Ultimately, Joe is responsible for what’s printed here. Not you.
Stop being so damn sensitive and reading into things that aren’t there.
Joe was clear that the gay sex related commentary from the other day was over the top. Dominik and the Glazers happened to be a part of that, but it wouldn’t have mattered if it was somebody else.
And Joe doesn’t question the Bucs payroll going down since the Man U. purchase, fact is fact, (and there you go again misrepresenting Joe!!!!) …
Just stay away from Joe, unless you’re accurate, and you’ll be fine here. Again, Joe has no time to babysit those who misrepresent Joe’s positions, lie about Joe and/or insult Joe.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
So, “Admin” is the disciplinarian and “Joe” is the facilitator of the Joe Bucs site? When is “Admin” scheduled to interview for a position in the Bucs organization?
January 20th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
Joe here,
@Architek – Don’t fu*k with the Admin. 😉
January 20th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
The comments are better than the article!
January 20th, 2012 at 11:19 pm
Joe’s response was borderline epic. Fairly new to the site and that was a nice hook. I say well done Joe. I don’t care if Marky is a rockstar or not, I just hope the next coach he hires is the right one.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
Apple:
Joe always enjoyed Thomas’ rants. It was good entertainment on a usual humdrum weekday.
Just that Thomas decided to eat the forbidden fruit (lying about Joe, insulting Joe, misrepresenting Joe) and had a very over-the-top suggestive remark about Bucs executives that Joe had to edit. Hence the ban, despite the fact Joe didn’t want to do it.
Popular opinion was to let Thomas back, hence the key was unlocked for him.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Oh yeah. . .MARTY DAMN IT !!!
January 20th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
Tune in tomorrow for another stirring episode of …
“Days of Our Lies”
God, what a freakin’ soap opera!
January 20th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
@Thomas
“I just hope that this site doesnt drift away from a blog grounded in journalism to one that is grounded in politics (of the bucs) to shape public opinion that all things Glazer and Dom are great – when clearly they arent.”
Joebucsfan.com is far from shaping public opinion.
Try visiting buccaneers.com or the Buccaneers facebook page. Those sites are a joke. There’s never anything worth reading on both of them. Everything they write on there is always positive and never anything that criticizes the team, makes them look bad, or shows their weaknesses. They always sugar coat everything and never say it as it is. That’s what I call “trying to shape public opinion”.
I’ve visited the Cowboys facebook page at times, and I see articles talking about ways that they could improve their team or polls asking who the fans want the Cowboys to draft, etc. You’d never find that on the Buccaneers facebook page. Not once have they even posted anything about our coaching search. And that’s a rather important issue…..right? No instead they post crap about the kids that participated in the “Punt, Pass, and Kick” national finals. And they ask the fans, “who do you want to win the ravens vs. texans game”, etc. Know what I mean?
Joe runs the best Bucs site on the internet, no question!
January 20th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
Joe here,
@Patrick – Cowboys are an interesting team, actually employing multiple columnists that will bash the club at times on its own website. JOe can’t fault the Bucs for using their site and social media to spew team love and pride and benign information. Their goal is not to play media.
Thanks for the kind words.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
@Patrick,
I agree and have seen the same, being that I am in Dallas. I have learned to respect owners like Jerry Jones. Even though I hated to see Jimmy Johnson leave, Jerry Jones has put his heart and soul into that franchise. Players want to play for that star and that should be the goal of the Bucs.
January 21st, 2012 at 12:10 am
I heard dominik steals from the elderly and enjoys it!
Whooooops.
Welcome back 2.2. I can’t educate these sheep by myself. Don’t forget were performing a public service!
Who did the braintrust select for a second interview?
January 21st, 2012 at 12:32 am
Stay away from our chilly you stinking colts!
Time for a bidding war!!!!!
January 21st, 2012 at 12:55 am
@Eric,
Believe it or not, with the right HC and QB coach, I would love Chilly in Tampa. His track record is respectable as long as you give him weapons. Get Marty or Sherman and bring in Chilly Chill as OC and Nolan for DC.
January 21st, 2012 at 1:17 am
@Architek
ATL got Nolan
January 21st, 2012 at 1:18 am
and Spags went to NO so that really sucks!
I want Herm to come be our defensive coordinator.
January 21st, 2012 at 1:18 am
@architek. Nolan has already been hired. No thanks to Chilly.
January 21st, 2012 at 1:51 am
Sometimes I agree with Thomas and sometimes I don’t, but I am all for free speech. Please don’t SOPA us Joe!
January 21st, 2012 at 2:30 am
Joe here,
@higher728 – Joe’s all about free speech. But Joe’s all about his right to fend off misrepresentations of Joe’s work or direct insults of Joe. As Joe’s explained before, all you guys are anonymous, but Joe is not. Therefore, Joe can not tolerate misrepresentations/lies about his work or positions. The insults? Well, Joe just doesn’t like them. Besides, if Joe lets a couple of guys call him “a tool” or “a dick,” then the floodgates of hate will open here.
January 21st, 2012 at 8:36 am
Always thought the term “Rockstar” when referring to Dom was tongue-n-cheek. Who knew it would create such a stir. Now let’s get back to hiring a coaching staff damnit!
January 21st, 2012 at 8:38 am
Thomas 2.2 for President!
January 21st, 2012 at 8:47 am
Thomas 2.2- welcome back. I would have missed ya!
Joe, glad you let him back!
January 21st, 2012 at 8:54 am
When all you girls are done with your soap opera let me know so we can get back to football.
January 21st, 2012 at 9:01 am
A bit interesting that brian schottenheimer hasn’t been hired.
Waiting to see if his dad gets bucs gig?
January 21st, 2012 at 9:13 am
The rams hired Brian Schottenheimer as OC I thought.
January 21st, 2012 at 9:14 am
And Brian said he didn’t want to work for his dad. Wanted to be his own man, good for him.
January 21st, 2012 at 9:15 am
I don’t think that came from brian. Just speculation.
Who knows.
January 21st, 2012 at 9:29 am
Just when I thought the troll was gone you bring him back. Way to ruin a bros weekend joe!
January 21st, 2012 at 10:51 am
I’m glad Thomas 2.2 is here, sure we all can get under each others skin, we all have our own oppinion of what needs to be done with our team. Way to stick to your guns Thomas2.2 you didn’t like the way the owners chose to go, and still might not like the decesion they make in the new coach. But freedom to speak your oppinion is what makes our country great IMHO. Welcome back Thomas2.2 never knew you where gone..
January 21st, 2012 at 11:39 am
Thomas 2.2 is a jerry can of diesel and a box of matches on this site, but he helps make it fun.
January 21st, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Thomas welcome back, Joe thats pretty cool of you to listen to emailers and give him a second chance. I must say though this dominik love is nauseating. I almost think you are doing it just because we hate it so much. I really believe he is hampering our ability to get a quality coach. To each his own though. Joe love this site
January 21st, 2012 at 1:31 pm
The good coaches are getting snatched up. If you snooze, you lose. I think we might end up with Mike Gundy, but damn it, I really want Rich Bissacia.
January 22nd, 2012 at 9:24 am
Hey BucsfanlostinIowa, you got what you wanted, and you even got an apology from me on my old website.
Now lets see how you treat the new coach. Because I know I will support him just like I supported the last 8.
I am a real Bucs fan, and any coach of my team gets my support until he proves otherwise.
You were out against Raheem from week 5 of his first season. That was a joke.
I guess I will never get supporting a team the way you do, criticizing this and that. I promise you if you were around in 1996 you won ld have called for Tony Dungys job when he was 0-5.
BTW, we’re all real Bucs fans, even you. Like I said, you got what you wanted, now I can’t wait to see how you treat the new coach.
January 22nd, 2012 at 9:41 am
A lot of commentor’s opinions for the most part are worthless, because they don’t back them up with any real points. THey instead uses fallacies in almost all of their arguments.
Whats a fallacy? There are several types, but this is one You learn of in your first writing class in college.
Debater 1: Downloading music off the internet is stealing.
Debater 2: It’s not stealing if its posted on the internet, we all have access.
Debater 1: Lots of things can be posted on the internet, doesn’t mean they are legal.
Debater 2: You should know, you’ve been stealing from the govt every time you fill out your taxes.
What does that have to do with the debate on Music on the internet? Nothing. Debater 2 has to resort to a fallacy because his position on the stance is weak.
I’m not saying Thomas 2.2 does this, I’m sure a lot of times he has valid points. But when you go about this way of telling a story, you get few people who take you seriously. I havnt read too many of Thomas 2.2’s comments, so Im just referring to comments in general, on all of the sites.
Joe’s right not to allow it to get out of control.
I feel you should Never call a man or a woman a nick-name. They have a name, if you feel the need to call a coach “Radio” your position must be weak to require l