Bucs “Spared” Shame
January 23rd, 2012
Many Bucs fans were aggravated this morning when they awoke to find the news that, alas, Oregon coach Chip Kelly was not coming to Tampa Bay to replace jettisoned Bucs coach Raheem Morris and instead, stay at Oregon.
But there seems nearly as many Bucs fans who believe the Bucs dodged a bullet, with Kelly’s lack of NFL experience much less coaching experience.
Add Alan Dell to this group. The Bradenton Herald columnist believes Bucs fans should be thanking their lucky stars that Kelly is staying put.
The Bucs were spared perhaps an embarrassment when Oregon University head football coach Chip Kelly turned down their offer to be their new head coach.
Anything is possible; but if you look at Kelly’s track record and college experience he would have had to make a major adjustment to coaching at the NFL level and history has proven that doesn’t usually work.
The list of college head football coaches who failed at the NFL level is staggering. To make it worse, Kelly runs a spread offense that features a lot small guys running all over the place.
While Joe would have enjoyed seeing what Kelly’s offensive mind would have done in the NFL, the depth of college coaches tanking in the NFL is enough to scare Joe away from Kelly.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:48 pm
god forbid we bring in someone innovative. And if this moron had done his research, he’d realize that Kelly hasn’t always run a spread and changes his offense from year to year based on his personell.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:49 pm
so if we offered him 6 million per year is there any chance we can get cowher for little more
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Joe, tell some people who want Cowher and Billick that it aint happening because the Glazers want someone who can work well with Dom. Cowher would want to be his own GM. Let it go on Cowher.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:52 pm
We need an effing coach.
Watch Dom and Glazers go out there and get Sherman, pitiful and knuckleheaded turrible.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:54 pm
well this makes me feel better that no one wants to coach the bucs except Raheem and a bunch of grey hairs….What about nick saban?
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:56 pm
How about taking a look at Vic Fangio. He has great experience and a killer D.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:56 pm
MIKE ZIMMER time!
I don’t want Saban, he took the phins for a year and then left. He is a COLLEGE Coach.
Bucs need a legit Coach in here.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:59 pm
It’s looking like Cowher doesn’t want to come back unless it’s a perfect gig.
Joe is convinced Brian Billick is blacklisted. Dude never interviews for any opening.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:01 pm
I agree stevek Zimmer time or Clements, also kelly wasnt a bad choice my only problem was what coahing staff would he bring in?
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Yeah, Billick seems to have been blackballed, like jose canseco or barry bones. I think he just rubs folks the wrong way. My guess.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:02 pm
spilled milk
no crying
man up and move on…………..
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:02 pm
why not nick satan, that red ass can coach, he was only 8-8 with the dolphins, and he has nothing elso to prove in college.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:03 pm
I couldn’t agree more. This was a very bad decision by the Bucs GM and Owners to try to hire another question mark for a coach. Go get Cowher for $8M/yr or Marty. Please.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:07 pm
I would have been good with Kelly. He wouldn’t be my top choice, but he has adapted offenses to his players every where he’s been. I think he had a better chance to adapt to the NFL than most, but you never know of course.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Billick may be blacklisted, but really, we’re running out of options.
I’m in the anti-Marty camp.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Brad, Ive been pimpin Fangio as well.Hid defenses have been balls out every where he is.Hopefully we are talking to him today.
I have a gut feeling though that Zimmer is going to get the gig within the next 24 hrs
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Go offer Cowher 7 – 8 mill a year and total control over the roster & staff. Let Dom control the signing of contracts and talking to the agents. Let’s see if Cowher can turn down an offer like that and if he does then it’s time to fall back to plan C (Marty, Sherman of godforbid Zimmer). Hell maybe they could crawl back to Gruden and beg him to come back.
The worst Cowher could do would be to say no like Parcells, Jimmy Johnson, Spurrier, Mariucci and now Kelly has done. Take a shot and sometimes you can hit a hole in one.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Rich Bisaccia, Mike Zimmer……that kind of hire and rather quickly.
A retread now looks desperate and probably is. We need excitement, potential and hope around here IMO.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:21 pm
With a coach like zimmer they can be delivered hue jackson and cincy d backs coach may come along as our dc.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:23 pm
cower isn’t worth 8 million.let him stay on the air.tomlin is a much better coach,imo
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Bucs left at the altar again!!! Do they have such a thing as mail order coaches that maybe the Glazers can go meet in the Ukrain and bring them back not knowing what they are getting into? Thats starting to look like what we need. Someone who has no knowledge that the owners are cheap the GM is a rookie and many of the players are cancers or just have little talent. Then they can scoop him up and wisk him away on a private jet to sunny Tampa to be naive and happy until he realizes that real NFL coaches wouldn’t touch this job with a ten foot pole. LOL
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:25 pm
I wish people would stop calling for Cowher… why not George Seifert or Mariucci while you’re at it? Sheez.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Nick- if being turned down by a coach is proof of a poor organization what would you say about Gruden turning down Irsay?
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Kelly has it made in Oregon.other than $$$ he’d be a fool to leave. not really a black eye for us.shows brothers g are willing and able for this change.this had nothing to do with the quality of the job offered but more about what his life quality would be if he took this great offer.we gave it a shot,nothing so move on.is this as much of an issue 5 years ago before twitter blows up a story beyond belief in very little time.probly not
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Agreed timmy. He’s just a QB coach and thats all he has been basically his whole career. On another note, I take back about what I said about the Glazers going for the cheapest coach because I found out they offered Chip Kelly 6 mill while Oregon is paying him 3 Mill. I hope the bucs find our HC SOON!!
January 23rd, 2012 at 7:07 pm
I just played 2 seasons of madden 2012 and went undefeated. Ill coach the Bucs.. Cant be no worse the Raheem. Im yungry!
January 23rd, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Bucs beat says Giants defensive coordinator Perry Fewell could be on Tampa’s Radar. I might be happy with that if true.
January 23rd, 2012 at 7:14 pm
TampaRob, you know I was watching the NFLPA game over the weekend and Tom Flores looked pretty chipper on the sideline. Thinkin he is anglin for a sweet gig in the Tampa area.
January 23rd, 2012 at 7:23 pm
I’d like Fewell, Chudzinksy, or Schotty.
Schotty will get these guys into shape and give us an NFL caliber program. He’ll lean heavily on Blount and get the most out of these guys. I really think he’d do a hell of a job. But it’s not a sexy pick.
I’d love Fewell just because of what he could do for our D Line but Chudzinsky’s the guy I really want. Sure he’s unproven but so what. I’m not foolish enough to say Josh Freeman is as good as Cam Newton, but hehas all the tools to do a lot of the things Cam does. Wouldn’t it be nice for once just once rooting for an explosive Tampa offense?
January 23rd, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Screwell Fewell
January 23rd, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Fewell is weak sauce. He was below average at Buffalo and even though he’s had a nice few weeks in the playoffs, he was throwing players under the bus earlier this year when they were losing and were without the services of their elite d-linemen. He was going to get fired if they missed the playoffs.
January 23rd, 2012 at 7:54 pm
These idiots won’t even call Bisaccia. At this point, I wish they would have kept Raheem, since they had no earthly idea who they would replace him with. I wish they could/would rehire Chucky.
I’m going to be extremely optimistic here and say they will totally eff this up.
They are so screwed up right now they should run for Congress.
January 23rd, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Joe,
Good point on Billick. I haven’t seen the dude even get talked about for any opening despite his clear desire to coach. What in the world happened to this guy? He’s got credentials.
January 23rd, 2012 at 8:10 pm
If its true that Kelly turned down the bucs 6 mil to stay at Oregon under NCAA investigation for 3 mil – what does that say about this job?
Kelly may have paid 3 million to not work here and with the pop star. What a debacle!
Now when Sherman or Chilly get hired it will clearly look like they are a third or fourth choice candidate behind kelly and philbin. Bigger debacle.
The green bay interviews I have heard are consistent that their impression was Philbin was head coach material but not Clements. From what I know, I agree. Marty or Zimmer should be our next options.
January 23rd, 2012 at 8:10 pm
mike gundy
January 23rd, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Biasaccia slapped Rah and the org publicly ( in a smart and indirect way) when he left for SD. The Glazers dont like blunt and honest / non-yes man types (hence why the pop star is employed) which Richy proved to be.
January 23rd, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Still like the Monte Kiffin idea. He’s old, but he wants back in the NFL, wants to be a head coach, and did nothing but succeed here!
January 23rd, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Can you elaborate on the smart, indirect way that Bia slapped Rah and the Bucs?
January 23rd, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Now I’m reading Mike Sherman is coming in for a 2nd interview. Somebody please direct me to the nearest cliff.
January 23rd, 2012 at 8:31 pm
After working with Rah for two years and resigning and having to uproot his family firmly entrenched in Tampa to travel thousands of miles away for a lateral move, Richy told the Times (paraphrase):
I am fortunate to have the opportunity to work with great football coaches like Jon Gruden (long gone) and Norv Turner.
No mention of his most recent employer but it was very clear what he was trying to tell the public – Rah and this regime were not competent – a belief echoed by many – I am sure that list also includes, Mangurian, Wash, Bates and Jags.
January 23rd, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Just when I thought I couldn’t be more embarrassed to be a Bucs fan…they decide to bring Sherman back for 2nd interview…and totally redeem yourself!!
Sad day to be a Bucs fan…here’s to continuing to suck for the next 3-4 years
January 23rd, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Billick ain’t all that..he had Randy moss and culpepper in there prime , anybody would look good with moss. Baltimore he had the best defense of all time….give me shorty or Zimmer
January 23rd, 2012 at 8:48 pm
Rich Bisaccia didn’t leave the Bucs, they left him. They never ever should have promoted Raheem over Rich. He paid his dues and was ready to be head coach. Bissacia left because there was no where else for him to go with the Bucs. He was the glue that held the team together and those boneheads were to stupid to see it. I’m pi$$ed, now that Sherman gets another interview and he and a Chilly both just suck out loud. Why are they going to screw this up??? Why don’t they just hire a professional consultant with REAL NFL experience o hire this staff and get this right.
If they hire Sherman, I hope Sapp goes off on the entire organization on the Man Channel. Many of us overlooked a lot of crap by these Glosers with more money than brains. They have kicked so many or our icons to the curb, especially Derrick Brooks, and Ronde will here about his release on ESPN. When is enough, enough? I want to compare them to someone stupid, but I just can’t go that low.
January 23rd, 2012 at 8:53 pm
please tell me sherman isnt coming in for 2nd interview.
please tell me sherman isnt coming in for 2nd interview.
i said, please tell me sherman isnt coming in for 2nd interview.
January 23rd, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Sherman in for a second interview……$&!,”&$,’?!&, For god sakes ! What is so hard to understand ……MARTY
January 23rd, 2012 at 8:54 pm
BigMacAttack I could not agree more. At the time the “youth movement” was a great little smoke screen to dump players like Lynch and then when they got rid of Brooks I almost fell out of my chair. Now that the youth movement has been exposed we can see that the moves to cut Lynch and Brooks were purely money saving moves by the sons of Malcom who must have been more worried about their nest egg than the franchise daddy owns.
January 23rd, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Sherman made round 2. Sorry.
January 23rd, 2012 at 8:58 pm
I wouldn’t want either of the Kelly boys. Why? Character. I lost all respect for Brian Kelly when he bailed on his boys at Cincinnati right before a bowl game to get over to Notre Dame (I always hope the lose). Obviously it’s not all about the boys….what an ass. I couldn’t imagine doing that to a team that I led. Looks like Chip isn’t much better. Sure I’ll take the job….oh hold on no wait..never mind.
January 23rd, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Thomas 2.2, I’m curious. In your post regarding Bisaccia, where you opine that the Glazers don’t like blunt and honest/ non-yes men – do you believe that that goes for Schottenheimer as well and the Glazers are not likely to hire him since that is a dead-on description of Marty too? Your opinion please!
January 23rd, 2012 at 9:03 pm
Hey Capt. Tim……where did you read about Monte wanting to come back to the NFL?……
In the NFL you’re hired to be fired….in College you can stay for years and years…dont see Monte ever coming back….not even Lane
January 23rd, 2012 at 9:06 pm
for a board that gives us so much good and breaking info its a shame there are so many absolutely negative people on here.I find it hard to believe some of you ever have a positive thing to say about the bucs.your whining like little bit#$es .never happy no matter who or what.must be the same people who bit#$d about dungy and then complain about loosing him.starting to sound like a fu$%&ng atlanta falcons message board.
January 23rd, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Rick Stroud is reporting the second interview. Now this guy didn’t have a clue as no one did that the Bucs even interviewed Chip Kelly. Why all of sudden are we to believe the Glazers are leaking out a second interview. At least this is what I’m telling myself. If this hire happens it’s in direct connection with who and who can’t work with Domonik. I wasn’t a fan of Dominik after this season and I’m really getting aggravated we are limited due to him being our GM. I hope the Glazers realize how unpopular this move will be with the dwindling fanbase. I am of the notion that if Sherman is the guy the Glazers are giving up and will sell the team.
January 23rd, 2012 at 9:15 pm
stroud usually gets it right.
January 23rd, 2012 at 9:32 pm
The Glazer ass clowns have really screwed the pooch this time. They have dug themselves a hole with the HC games they have been playing with their exhaustive search. I’m calling bullsh*t .
January 23rd, 2012 at 9:32 pm
as bad as it sounds a & m ranked tenth in total offense last year averaging 40 pts per game.
only six pts behind chip kelly.
so im asking myself why i would be so high on chip but not sherman.
other than personality cant rationalize it. add to it shermans
offenses are pro proven more than chips.
when u really look at it a rational no emotion analysis puts sherm ahead of chip.
January 23rd, 2012 at 9:36 pm
somebody help me im actually starting to think sherman is a good hire.
January 23rd, 2012 at 9:36 pm
Macabee: the Glazers want a disciplinarian type with head coach experience – which of course Marty is. What they despise and protect themselves against are employees departing the org and then criticizing it.
Don’t you think that it is amazingly strange that Gru, Allen, Jags, Bates, Mangurin, Wash etc have never sat down to speak about the specific circumstances of their departures? Fear of being sued keeps them quiet.
The Glazers would have a strong upper hand in contract negotiations with Marty bc he is in low demand due to age and other factors. I am all for Marty but the Glazers don’t want to do this again in 2-3 years or don’t want a horrible team and a 70 year old coach when they try to sell.
January 23rd, 2012 at 9:38 pm
@Brad. You touched on exactly what I fear. If the Glazers hire Sherman, it looks like the white flag. I’m just hoping that Marty gets the call. He’ the guy that makes sense and has made it known he wants the job. Fans want him. What is this crap about working with Dom? Since when should Dom require thatrespect. Rock star should be working with whoever comes in not vice versa. The way this organization is being run is puzzling at the least.
January 23rd, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Eric ….Sherman is coming in for a second interview
January 23rd, 2012 at 9:50 pm
Eric:
Sherman would be acceptable and a monumental improvement to RahRah the inept. I also like that he may be inclined to tell Dom:
“stay quiet Junior and let the men who understand tackle football handle this”
The only downside to Shermam is that he runs a vanilla style of West Coast offense – which is fine but somewhat plodding – Ahman Green Right, left Favre throw to Javon Walker for 6 yards and first down type stuff.
Sherman is great with the OLine which fits our only strength ( outside of pop stars crowning achievement the punter). I just figured out the role for Dom:
General Manager and Vice President of Kicker and Punter personnel (and Glazer errand boy) – pop star can fulfill his contract, stay with the team, continue to be overpaid and do the only thing he does well – hire punters and kickers.
January 23rd, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Wayne Fontes?
January 23rd, 2012 at 9:53 pm
God I really hope Sherman bombs his second interview. Hopefully he sets his alarm late comes out to a flat tire cant find his glasses has to take the bus. Gets splashed with rain and mud right before he walks in one buc place and wind blows away his resume and his other documents.
January 23rd, 2012 at 9:53 pm
I would take the shame of Chip Kelly over hiring an Aggie reject like Mike Sherman. At least he actually succeeded at the college level.
January 23rd, 2012 at 9:53 pm
… and before anyone says anything, no Sherman’s record in Green Bay is not impressive considering what McCarthy’s done since he left.
January 23rd, 2012 at 9:54 pm
What coach would excite the fans???
January 23rd, 2012 at 9:57 pm
@eric.. You will be in the minority. Marty is clearly the fan favorite by a long shot. If we’re going to hire a re-tread, at least hire the one that had the most success and would add some excitement. Sherman is as boring a pick of anyone other than Chilly. Come on Glazers read a blog or two before you make the worst mistake since Raheem. Wake up and realize Dominik is holding you back.. Or just say the team is up on the block.
January 23rd, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Thank You BigMacAttack for reminding everyone how we did Rich Biasscia.
We did him dirty, promoting Raheem over him.
I believe he is blackballed in Tampa now, or why else do they not go to him ?
I agree, he would be an awesome choice for us.
January 23rd, 2012 at 9:59 pm
Marty
January 23rd, 2012 at 10:01 pm
Thomas 2.2 – The Rockstar accidentally got into the punter hiring business.
He drafted a punter last year that could not kick, and was forced to spend Glazer money.
January 23rd, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Geez Joe. You might want to call Pfizer for some Prozak ads. Let’s face it, Glazers will do what they want. They have the checkbook, they have the deed and they have the keys. Unless any of you have financial interest in the outcomes of each game, just sit backand let these guys prove they were serious when they fired Raheem and said ‘winning is everything.’ They don’t prove it, they don’t sell tickets, they get blackouts.
January 23rd, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Worst case scenario. They miss on their guy and go into a hasty retreat and hire Sherman…uggh.
January 23rd, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Same ‘ol same ‘ol from Thomas. Bashing on Dominik, which he never did before, because it was all Raheem’s fault. Now Raheem is gone, he has a new guy to pick on. You even gave the guy compliments, now he’s horrible? No matter who we hire, Thomas is going to constantly complain about Dominik next year. You just watch. Over and over and over again. Every single post he will ever write will have some kind of slap at Dominik. Regardless of if you are right or wrong, why keep beating in the same things (and I bet you can’t answer that without using the word “sheep”)? I highly suggest you find yourself a woman for purchase, and quick. I think it will make you much happier. If you want to keep her, you could take a trip to the Philippines and bring one home forever. Just sayin’
January 23rd, 2012 at 10:14 pm
look beyond the personality and look at offensive stats.
shermans are good both at gb and texas.
January 23rd, 2012 at 10:19 pm
I have to give you a lot of credit Eric, you have been extremely fair during this entire coaching search. I guess I had you pegged wrong, so I apologize for that. Let’s just hope we get this hire right, because life is so much better when the Bucs are winning.
January 23rd, 2012 at 10:26 pm
@hawaiian
sure would be nice sir.
now, where can i get one of those phillipines woman?
January 23rd, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Make that 2 orders of Phillipine women.
January 23rd, 2012 at 10:35 pm
Ha ha, it’s a lot easier than you think! They love anyone who can get them the hell out of the Philippines.
January 23rd, 2012 at 10:38 pm
@ Joe
SAY IT ISN’T SO JOE !!!!!!! PFT reporting that Sherman is going to be the first to get a second interview !?!?!? ……..think I just threw up a little in my mouth…….
January 23rd, 2012 at 10:42 pm
I wouldn’t get too concerned over Sherman getting a second interview. Prior to the kelly offer, we were lead to believe that Sherman was the frontrunner. Obviously that was not the case. They also disproved the myth that they only wanted older, more experienced, strict disciplinarian, former NFL coaches. I think given the secrecy of the Kelly move, anything could happen. Whoever the next coach is, I’ll support him and the next one after him too. Because as sure as tomorrow, there will be more!
January 23rd, 2012 at 10:54 pm
This just in bengals D coordinator Mike Zimmer has going to be interviewed for a 2nd time. Maybe mike Sherman isn’t such a runaway to get the job afterall : )
http://www.cincyjungle.com/2012/1/23/2728933/tampa-bay-buccaneers-scheduling-second-interview-with-bengals
January 23rd, 2012 at 10:59 pm
Seems like everyone is going to commit suicide if Sherman is hired. Jeez, CALM the F DOWN.
I think you guys should know, that Sherman coached a great offense at A&M this past season despite the 6-6 record. It was his defense that blew it for him.
He did well with the Packers too.
I’d rather have Marty or Zimmer, but there’s worse candidates than Sherman.
January 23rd, 2012 at 11:09 pm
Good news about Zimmer.
@Northend, I’m not negative. I’m just sick of the crap that is going on now…….. again. Look, Raheem took the fall for much of what wasn’t his fault. Yes, he had his share of the blame, but he and his staff took the fall for Dom and the Golden $perm Club. If I am complaining about their bogosity of a coaching search, it is because I have paid for the privilege like many others. It would have been okay if your post contained substance but it was 100% babbling BS. We call Thomas negative but he brings substance to the table. He often spins and cuts to make his argument but he does make it, where as someone like you feels the need to come in and just criticize all of us. Falcon fans??? Get real dude and crawl back under the rock you came from.
January 23rd, 2012 at 11:12 pm
Did I say crawl??? sorry I meant slither.
And when we get a new coach, I will support him and give him a chance regardless of name, but any coach coming to Tampa now is on a very short leash with this fan base, because we’re tired of spending our hard earned money just to get jacked around.
January 23rd, 2012 at 11:14 pm
Dominick couldn’t sell Kelley on doubling his salary and moving from Oregon to Tampa?
Think about that for a moment:
The supposed “dream job” comes along and you say no. Its the the job you have been working towards your whole life. You get to move out of Oregon to the West Coast of Florida, and your pay will be doubled. Your ultimate goal is almost realized. All you have to do is sign. And then you say “No thank you. I’m cool…No, no keep your extra three million with incentives. Keep your sunshine and strippers. I like it here in Twlight Land. Nope, I’m good, I don’t need an extra 3 million. I’m not ready. I have unfinished business and my wife really likes the weather. Tell Blunt I said hi.”
That is a load of bulls*t. Whoever doesn’t think this is a direct reflection of what people think of the Glazers and our situation is an idiot. Dream job, big money and Kelley says “I’m staying in bunk ass Oregon.”
Dude..this is bad.
January 23rd, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Eric,
Article at WalterFootball under Rumors. Says Monte never wanted to leave the NFL, only did so to straighten out Lanes career. He still wants to return, still has a house in Tampa, and wants to be a head coach.
It’s pretty surprising. Monte is one “old guy” I could get excited about. Plus think of his options for coordinators!
January 23rd, 2012 at 11:22 pm
Umm, ever been to Oregon? One of the nicest states I’ve ever been to, I would live in Portland in a heartbeat.
January 23rd, 2012 at 11:24 pm
Interesting… one of the writers over at PewterReport moved over to WalterFootball before the season started. Wonder if that emanated from him.
January 23rd, 2012 at 11:27 pm
Sharkcoasttactical- great website! I’m heading your soon to go shopping!
And agree. That is hard to believe. I think the gagging point is Dominick. Sorta like having to work with the class snitch
January 23rd, 2012 at 11:29 pm
sign me up for monte kiffin!
great idea captain.
January 23rd, 2012 at 11:32 pm
Umm okay. Oregon is pretty and I hear they have buy one hippy get two free specials in the summer.
Don’t give me that crap. Tampa, Josh Freeman, One Buc Place, #5 pick, and an extra 3 million? And he said no?
Can you imagine telling your wife: “Hi honey, turned down an extra 3 mil today so we can still go hiking in the off season close to home. I really want to mold young people..blah blah.”
Don’t piss down my back and tell me its raining.
January 23rd, 2012 at 11:34 pm
What’s so bad about Shrman??? I don’t know much about him.
January 23rd, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Zimmer is a very outspoken type of person.
Zimmer has a reputation around the NFL as being more than a little blunt, for instance when Bobby Petrino quit on the Falcons to go coach Arkansas for instance he shirked political correctness and called him a “gutless bastard.”
In the Bucs Model of a front office, the GM runs the coach. I just can’t see a strong person like Zimmer taking orders from the Rockstar.
January 23rd, 2012 at 11:35 pm
Sharkcoasttactical- great website! I’m heading your soon to go shopping!
And agree. That is hard to believe. I think the gagging point is Dominick. Sorta like having to work with the class snitch. The Glazers obviously want him to be controlling. Not many coaches wanna put their careers in the hands of someone who has dropped theball as often as Dom
January 23rd, 2012 at 11:38 pm
just checked, that post is in fact from Charlie Campbell formerly of PR.
January 23rd, 2012 at 11:46 pm
@ jLM
1) Got run over by Favre at Green Bay
2) Turned a Super Bowl-caliber team into a mediocre one before his GM duties were stripped
3) Mediocre record at Texas A&M
4) Recently fired from Texas A&M (his alma matter)
5) Fans have said he exhibited the same lack of game day management skills and “deer-in-the-headlights” looks as our previous coach when things started to go wrong.
I’ll pass.
January 23rd, 2012 at 11:50 pm
Good news about Zimmer indeed. Glad to hear it.
January 23rd, 2012 at 11:57 pm
Ok Thanks. Zimmer looks like he could bring some chucky attitude back. That would excite some fans.
January 24th, 2012 at 12:01 am
@ sharkcoasttactical.com
I think that Kelly turning us down is less about the Unholy Trinity and our Organization and more about long-term job security. Kelly’s a smart guy. He knows:
1) NFL = Not for long. Win now or lose your job.
2) He know that college coaches fail more often than they succeed when they make the jump
3) He knows that he has zero NFL experience and limited NFL contacts
4) He WILL get a raise from Oregon (maybe to $5 mil…Saban makes $6 mil)
With all this in mind, he probably wanted complete control over his destiny and the Glazers couldnt/shouldnt have given that up.
I think this was a win-win for both parties involved.
January 24th, 2012 at 12:10 am
Fox 13 says Sherman has also been approached by Philbin @ the Fins for a job too. Maybe just to get the Bucs moving faster?
January 24th, 2012 at 12:19 am
1) Zimmer
* Pros – Hardass, Successful turnarounds of defenses at 2 stops, NFL Coordinating Experience, Can maximize limited defensive talent, Not a re-tread
* Cons – Passed over for many a job, Must hire a great OC to fully tap into the strength of our team (the Offense)
1a) Marty
*Pros – Impeccable regular season resume, can attract great coaching staff, Offensively-inclined, Motivator
*Cons – Age, Playoff Resume, Retread
2) Clements
*Pros – Organizational skills (law degree), NFL Coordinator Experience, coached up Aaron Rodgers & Matt Flynn and can coach up Freeman, former player, Not a retread
*Cons – Position Coach, not known as a disciplinarian (?), never been a hot HC prospect until now, is he THE reason for the success of the GB offense?
3) Chud
* Pros – Cam Newton & Derek Anderson’s great years, NFL coordinator experience, innovative offense
*Cons – Too young, coaching staff will mostly likely be young/unproven, time in Cleveland ended poorly in his 2nd year, seems like a one-year wonder
January 24th, 2012 at 1:45 am
I hate to say it but there is no news on Zimmer. That article only says that Zimmer MIGHT be interviewed a second time because he is a candidate. So is Chilly, Marty, Chud, and everyone else. For the record I hope Zim is interviewed again.
January 24th, 2012 at 1:46 am
Good breakdown, sensiblebuc.
January 24th, 2012 at 2:42 am
To add:
Pros-
CFL:
– Inducted into the Canadian Football League’s Hall of Fame in 1994
– a 12-year QB career in the CFL
– Selected seven times as a divisional All-Star,
– guided two teams, Ottawa (1976) and Winnipeg (1984), to Grey Cup Championships, earning the Outstanding Offensive Player award in each game. A winner?</b?
COACHING:
– Served 2 years as QB coach and 1 year as assistant head coach/WR coach under the legendary Lou Holtz. While there, he developed eventual 1993 NFL Rookie of the Year QB Rick Mirer.
– Worked under Mike Ditka for the Saints as QB Coach; Jake Delhomme and Kerry Collins had great years during that time
– worked with Pittsburgh’s Kordell Stewart (2001) and Kansas City’s Elvis Grbac (2000) during each quarterback’s best season, both culminating in Pro Bowl berths
– Worked under Bill Cowher 2001-2003; helped Maddox earn the Comeback Player of the Year award in 2002
– Pittsburgh’s passing offense ranked seventh that year
– spent two seasons (2004-05) as offensive coordinator for the Buffalo Bills.
– In 2004, the Bills’ offense increased its scoring output by 152 and reduced its number of sacks allowed from 51 to 38, fewest by a Bills team since 1999. The unit was highlighted by RB Willis McGahee, who became the fifth running back in Bills history to register back-to-back 1,000-yard seasons, covering each year of Clements’ tenure.
– QB Kelly Holcomb set a club record in 2005 with a 67.39 completion percentage under Clements, surpassing Jim Kelly’s 1991 mark, 64.14 percent
– has worked with starting quarterbacks: Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, and Matt Flynn.
– oversaw a mini-renaissance of Brett Favre’s career. In 2006, Favre reduced his interceptions from a career-high 29 the year before to just 18, setting the stage for a near-MVP season in 2007, when he surpassed 4,000 yards passing for the fifth time. He also posted a then career-best completion percentage of 66.5 and a QB rating of 95.7 that was his third best at that point in leading the Packers back to the playoffs.
– Rodgers became the first quarterback in franchise history to record a 100-plus passer rating in consecutive seasons, with a 101.2 passer rating in 2010. He had a career-best 65.7 completion percentage last season, finished third in the league in passer rating (101.2) and second in average gain (8.26), and added a trio of three-touchdown outings in the postseason, including one against Pittsburgh that earned him Super Bowl XLV MVP honors.
– And, of course we all know Flynn will be the hottest QB on the market this year
CONS:
– While OC, records were set, but the result was not overly great. It was a while ago, though, and since then he has worked with the best football minds
– Will need a good OC…not because he cannot be a good playcaller, but because his spare time will likely be spent on QBs.
Special Comments
Clements comes from great pedigree.
He loves quarterbacks AND he likes to work with them. As an assistant head coach and later as an OC, he showed he had command of his players, but the real proof is the behavior of his QBs while he coaches them. They are very disciplined and in control of games.
He teaches QBs to think quickly and act quickly. Just look at how fast moving passing plays are with his QBs…and they go vertical a lot.
January 24th, 2012 at 5:01 am
1)The Peter King MMQB column was interesting, in either its blatant parallel to the old Steeler Chuck Noll/Joe Paterno situation—to what the Bucs are faced with now—or he absolutely missed how they’re connected. Joe Paterno was the hot college coach, @ Penn St for 3 years, & the Steelers absolutely thought they had him. But he felt he hadn’t accomplished enough, so the Steelers hired a boring defensive coordinator…Chuck Noll.
2)The Steelers have been family owned for years, & it’s looking like we have that same deal for a while with the Bucs. When Dungy came in & established the new Tampa way (the biggest reason Rah was hired), he essentially brought the old Steeler way. I find these parallels reassuring. Always remember, the Bucs spent big in free agency when we needed a push over the top for a SB. I know this was pre-Manchester, but the NFL just signed a humongous new TV deal, so the Glazers shouldn’t be poor.
3)& those kvetching about Mike Sherman—remember, Bill Belichick was a retread failure in his 1st HC gig when he got the Patriots job. The only thing Sherman failed @ was being the GM.
January 24th, 2012 at 7:50 am
christopher:
Better, true story:
1963 Al Davis takes over the Raiders. He and Paterno go way back, went to high school together, Brooklyn Prep. Davis tried to hire Paterno to be his offensive coordinator and nearly succeeded. At the last moment, Paterno turns Davis down because he had only been married a year, even though Paterno would have tripled his salary.
Davis began to hound Paterno’s wife, calling her daily for a couple of weeks, badgering her that she was holding back her husband’s career.
Dejected, Davis gave up on Paterno and instead hired Chuck Noll.
True story.
January 24th, 2012 at 8:13 am
I don’t believe the Bucs gig is a worthless one like a lot of people like Sileo are saying. I wrote about that on my website this morning. I also don’t believe the Bucs have to ‘save face’. It’s not like a coach changed his mind about leaving another pro team or for a promotion. This is about a College coach not wanting to give up his lifestyle, and that is perfectly understandable.
I find the desire for Cowher completely uneducated and ignorant. The guy is the worst home AFC Championship game choker in the business… he also went three straight seasons in the middle of his tenure without making the playoffs. You Bucs fans who could not handle ONE losing season under Raheem Morris, what makes you think you can handle three losing seasons from Cowher?
Also, Sherman is not as bad a choice as some would think. He is similar to Schottenheimer, although there are some differences like total wins, etc, Sherman is more of an offensive minded coach, and not as old as Marty. He would probably command the best set of assistant coaches of the trio of Marty, Sherman, and Zimmer.
Sherman Most offensive minded, More pass oriented, best assistant coach aggregator.
Schottenheimer run oriented, his coaching contacts may be dated, he may be tuned out as being too old, as bad as too young?
Zimmer would be the best defensive minded selection, and he’s been around long enough to expect a great amount of quality assistant coaches to poll from.
NO matter whether a guy is offensive or defensive, doesn’t mean the coordinators they hire wouldn’t perform just as good on the other side of the ball.
To me, Zimmer is the only one that has the ability to look like a longer term hire.
One more point- I feel strongly the Glazers will spend money this year. I feel the 6 million dollar offer is just the first sign the Glazers have learned their lesson in this mess. And I also feel Mark Dominik is not permanently attached to his job. The right coach could change that.
January 24th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Alright! A bright sunny Tuesday morning and the usual moronic posts to reply to. Thanks! For those of you too dumb to think things through logically…the reason Chip Kelly refused the Bucs job is because the money Oregon is paying him (which probably got renegotiated) and the money Nike is paying him probably comes real close to the money the Bucs were offering him. On top of that, the Bucs probably were not offering a long term contract because that would be stupid on their part. Kelly is unproven and would need to prove he can coach in the NFL before being offered a long term contract. The risk was too great and I don’t blame him for not wanting to leave the cush job in Oregon with job security for the uncertainty of the NFL. Has NOTHING TO DO with the job in Tampa being one nobody wants. Whoever gets the job in Tampa will be glad they took it. We have the talent, we just need the coaching. I personally don’t think Kelly was the man for the job and I’m very glad he changed his mind. I’m beginning to think that Dom has an eye for talent in the draft but a very poor eye for picking coaches. We’ll see…..
January 24th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Joe Says:
January 24th, 2012 at 7:50 am
christopher:
Better, true story:
1963 Al Davis takes over the Raiders. He and Paterno go way back, went to high school together, Brooklyn Prep. Davis tried to hire Paterno to be his offensive coordinator and nearly succeeded. At the last moment, Paterno turns Davis down because he had only been married a year, even though Paterno would have tripled his salary.
Davis began to hound Paterno’s wife, calling her daily for a couple of weeks, badgering her that she was holding back her husband’s career.
Dejected, Davis gave up on Paterno and instead hired Chuck Noll.
True story.
Joe, maybe I’m misinterpreting the post but did you say that Davis instead hired Chuck Knoll?
January 24th, 2012 at 11:25 am
Cmurda:
Don’t know who Chuck Knoll is.
January 24th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Joe:
Noll, not Knoll. Answer my question. How did Davis hire Noll? Not doubting you. I just didn’t know Davis had ever hired Noll. He did however try to sue Chuckie.
January 24th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Cmurda:
How did he hire Noll? Guessing he offered him a job and Noll signed a contract.
This was way back in 1963.
At one time, Davis, Noll and Bum Phillips were all assistants with Sid Gilman at San Diego.
January 24th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Joe:
Appreciate it. I did not know that. Very interesting. I like the sarcasm too. Good touch. Keep it coming.
January 24th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Cmurda:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNeEYcUwX6E
Weird Paterno about four months ago talking about a guy dying.
January 24th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
Seeing Paterno talking about Davis is beyond weird. It’s just really sad. I had such a huge amount of respect for that guy. I idolized Joe Pa. I can’t help but feel betrayed in light of everything surfacing.
Speaking of sad, I now take us back to the Bucs coaching search. Marty, Clements or Zimmer. I can live with any of those three.