Bucs Could Be Stealing “Knowledge”
January 10th, 2012
Joe cannot find one guy who, after looking at the list of candidates the Bucs are interviewing to fill the hole left by jettisoned Raheem Morris, doesn’t come away aghast.
Yesterday Joe’s good friend, the dean of Tampa Bay sports radio, “The Big Dog,” Steve Duemig, of WDAE-AM 620, said the known candidates “make me want to puke.”
Later, Duemig wondered aloud if the list was a smokescreen because the candidates were so outrageous. It appears Duemig is onto something.
Popcorn-munching, coffee-slurping, fried chicken-eating, oatmeal-loving, beer-chugging Peter King of Sports Illustrated is of the belief that Bucs rock star general manager Mark Dominik is thieving “knowledge” from the likes of Marty Chokenheimer and Wade Phillips.
TAMPA BAY IS FACT-FINDING. THAT IS ALL. “I’m not a fan of the Bucs, and I know you said in today’s MMQB that Cincy’s Mike Zimmer was a strong candidate to replace Raheem Morris, but are they REALLY considering Wade Phillips or Brad Childress as their next coach?? Phillips has never proven himself as a head coach while he has excelled as the DC everywhere he’s gone without the Ryan fanfare. And Childress, well, he didn’t very well distinguish himself in his time with the Vikings. What can they possibly be thinking?”
— Jon Karp, Camillus, N.Y.I actually didn’t say that about Mike Zimmer; I said I thought Mike Sherman would be a candidate. Al Davis used to have this theory about coaching interviews. Cast a wide net and steal knowledge. If you have a chance once every three or four years to bring in veteran coaches who you may have a slight interest in hiring but absolutely have a strong interest in stealing knowledge from, why not interview these guys?
Why not ask Brad Childress his opinion on what’s important in developing a quarterback, and what did he learn from Andy Reid on that? Why not ask Wade Phillips, who’s been a terrific defensive coordinator, how he raised the Texans from the 30th-ranked defense last year to second this year — without Mario Williams? Why not ask them to watch some tape of the awful Tampa Bay defense and say, “Give me your theory: What’s wrong here?” Not saying he did that, but that’s something Davis would have done.
This makes perfect sense because Joe just cannot believe the Bucs are literally serious in hiring Brad Childress — Brad Childress! — to develop Josh Freeman. Might as well hire Les Miles as the quarterback coach.
Think about it: Who was Bruce Almighty’s right-hand man with the Bucs? Dominik. Who did Bruce Almighty learn the intricacies of front office politics from? Al Davis.
This has to be the logical conclusion. For the sake of Joe’s thinly-held sanity, it must be.
January 10th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Several of us on here have been saying this since last week.
January 10th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
I am afraid you are giving those in charge too much credit….the whole stealing info via the interview process….if they had a plan it certainly would not be playing out as it has….
they have no plan….they are reacting
January 10th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Does anybody care what Duemig says?
January 10th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Not just your sanity Joe, all of our sanity!!
January 10th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Following the al davis model provides me little comfort.
The list tells me the glazers are running things almost completely.
Dom can’t be this stupid.
What knowledge are chilly and Sherman providing?
January 10th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
How does peter griffin know this, he’s talking out the side of his neck
January 10th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Chilly and Sherman both have coached Brett Favre. The Bucs are probably looking at Favre.
January 10th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
I think youre giving Dom aka “rockstar” to much credit. I think he actually believes these are the best candidates out there to be had lmao.
January 10th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
Glazers are letting us know what they want us to know. Hey Joe, did you get Sileo’s interview this am (about 7:40 or so) with the FSU Alum and former Packer Veteran? Says Sherman is the right coach for Freeman and the team. Get the interview online, he’s got some good points about Sherman.
January 10th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Interesting theory, and it may be true to an extent, but I still believe the theory that they plan on bringing in vet HCs at HC, DC, and OC; or at least 2 of the 3. Guys who have been there and are known for some success and discipline.
Marty or Sherman as HC, Nolan at DC, OC ? (Just say no to Childress)
January 10th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Do you think that the higher ups read any material from this site, or get any info from others? My point being, maybe they are not educated about the current candidates think they will be just fine as HC. When in fact they aren’t as we all know.
January 10th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
If you were stealing info wouldnt you at least interview the most qualified guy that other teams actually covet. Thiscoaching search is a joke. Fire mark dominic now. Marty, or josh mcdaniels get it done glazers
January 10th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Let’s hope so.
So now we’re armed with info, let’s go get a coach.
January 10th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Or that MD is a complete tool and the job is completely over his head, but Joe would never bash [Don’t be stupid. Joe’s got an itchy trigger finger of late. — Joe.].
January 10th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
jarrett Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
If you were stealing info wouldnt you at least interview the most qualified guy that other teams actually covet. Thiscoaching search is a joke. Fire mark dominic now. Marty, or josh mcdaniels get it done glazers
You want them to hire Marty or Josh? They interviewed Marty today, so how can there search be a joke? If they just interviewed 1 of the guys you want how can there search be a joke? What the hell? How do you think? Is it me?
January 10th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Marty or….Josh McDaniels..????
January 10th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
We are all complaining about some of the candidates (myself included), but is there really any candidate that we can all agree on? Even this year’s biggest prize, Jeff Fisher, is not exactly an elite coach. Although he may need a walker, I see no coach as qualified as Marty, but even he may have had the game pass him by. There’s just not a lot out there that will excite anyone. However, all of you people complaining about the candidates are the same ones who were screaming for Morris to be fired. Well, you got your wish, but this is the result. It comes a point where you just have to stop complaining and go with it. There’s no other choice. I’m pretty sure Dominik and the Glazers could give 2 sh!ts who any of us want to coach this team. You might as well just let the process unfold and wait until the new coach loses 2 in a row before you scream for his job as well.
January 10th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
JOSH MCDANIELS?!???!?!?!???
Somebody got ahold of Grandpappy’s cough syrup for lunch!
January 10th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
josh McDaniels didnt do anything as a HC in Denver and was even worse as an OC in St.louis, hes already signed on with the Pats and in all probability should have never left there. the best canidate for the job is Sherman, and stop putting OC’s & DC’s as HC’s with out any experience, their focus has been mianly on their respective side of the ball. i just wanna see this team get the right guy for the talent we have and manage the game, not waiver over DEF or Off first mentallity. and i hope we draft Richardson!!!! love Blount but hate the fumbles and no gas at the end of the game, make him a FB for Trent and watch out (1st we gotta teach him how to pick up a blitz then put him @ FB)!
BUC IT IM OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 10th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Yep.
January 10th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
WOW, GREAT GREAT GREAT article! One of the best reads ever! Thank you Joe! =)
January 10th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Wow, someone actually suggested Josh McDaniels as head coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers? That would be perfect. Within 2 months, we will have traded away Josh Freeman, Mike Williams, Davin Joseph, and Conner Barth. Then we could bring in Kyle Orton! How fun! I can’t wait to go out and get my #(whatever the hell number Orton wears) Bucs jersey! Pure genius!
January 10th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Anytime tposse.
January 10th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Sure….they’re stealing knowledge….
Dom. “Here Marty. Take a look at this tape. What do you think the problem is on defense?”
Marty. “It’s those damn plastic helmets! When did you go to those??”
January 10th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Lol not only is King terrible at his job but now he’s stealing from the Commish?!?
C’mon man!
January 10th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Ok Justin, who do you want? Sherman, Zimmer, Clement? Who should be the next HC of the Bucs?
January 10th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
My reasons for mcdaniels are 1 if he is good enough for bellichick, he is good enough for us. 2 i have to believe he learned alot from his first go around. 3 he has worked around good qbs his entire career. Does any one think that he wont be a leading candidate for a job next year, after calling plays for the hoodie. he will be. Last reason for josh mcdaniels is simple, brandon lloyd said he goes where mcdaniels goes, this could be our only chance to land a decent free agent, because we wont outbid anyone. lloyd williams and benn sounds alright to me. Out of this entire worthless coaching search ,marty is only acceptable one.
January 10th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Rich Bisaccia, good man. Lots of skill and passion. Plus he wont be trying to take the DC or OC headset away.
January 10th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Amen Hawaiian. Well said
January 10th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
If we get marty i hope we draft richardson. Perfect buc ball rushing attack between him and blount. I know theres need for cb, but isnt asante samuel leaving philly? why couldn’t we get him?
January 10th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Before it is over I bet the Bucs will make it into the top 10..
http://listverse.com/2007/09/06/top-10-stupidest-thieves/
January 10th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
First of all, the reason he has been successful under Bellicheat is because he is under Bellicheat. Every coordinator is great under him. That is, until they become a head coach. Give me one of his coordinators that has gone on to be even a decent head coach. Even one, even at the college level. Go ahead, I’m waiting.
Number 2, what exactly did he learn? He sure didn’t learn how to coordinate an offense. Did you ever watch St. Louis play this year? Horrible offensively. Bradford may have regressed worse than Freeman.
He was also successful in NE because he worked with Brady. Every coordinator looks like a genius who works with Brady! Not sure how you can’t grasp that. He also worked with Cutler, oh wait, no he traded him away. I guess I forgot. So besides Brady, what great Qb’s has he worked with? I can’t wait to hear this one.
January 10th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
I sure wish they had gotten knowledgeable before hiring morris
The only thing chilly can teach them is how to be sorry sacks of crap
January 10th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Hawaiian
First, I’m not on board for McDaniels as HC, but….
I get your point, but maybe Brady wouldnt be Brady without that offense? Cassell, while not a great one, looked damn good playing in his offense.
It was Culter that didnt trust McDaniels because of the alleged trade offer for Culter by the Patriots. Cry baby Cutler got his wish.
BTW that Cutler trade netted them (2) 1st rounders, both spent on players contributing to where Denver is today! QB Tebow and WR Thomas. His other picks Ayers, Decker, and Moreno arent bad either.
As for the Rams, no offseason, rookie Stafford, and a hurt Steven Jackson makes for a rough ride.
BTW As for other coodinators, Jim Schwartz looks like a pretty good HC.
January 10th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Oh and Pat Hill, Kirk Frenetz, and Al Groh were good HC at college too.
January 10th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
I pray that you are right Joe, looking at this list of misfits, i can see any of this making any sense, Looking in the retirement home for a replacement to Rheem is insane and utterly maddening, I would like to believe that as business men, and people who i would think would have pride about the product that they put on the field, that all of this is a smokescreen and that yes some of the parts could fill other needs, but for crying out loud, this cannot be what we call change, and a hope of building a winning product for many years to come. Please tell me its all a bad dream, and someone please wake me up cause i think this is the worst horror movie i have ever seen, and yes it does scare the crap out of me that this team is headed in reverse back to the old days, when some of us can remember there were nothing but blackouts, and High draft picks, thats not success, OH MY GOD IS THAT BUCCO BRUCE IN THE CORNER WHINKING AT ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 10th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
“gathering” info is a two way street…..
if you don’t think info is passed by the interviewed coaches gets out about the Bucs presentation/interview process you are naive….nothing worse than being jacked around with no intention of ever being hired
January 10th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Let me know if the Ol’ Rockstar is able to get himself a CLUE!
He won’t get any FA’s (other than soccer players, i mean kickers)
Glazers + Dom= Blackouts and a sorry 2012 payroll.
January 10th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
McDaniels is a team destroyer. The players and fans turned on him in denver before he coached his first game there.
@Hawaiian Buc
Well said. Bothtimes.
@everyone
Next week. Be patient. Good News is coming.
January 10th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Hmm… didn’t know the Patriots were looking for “a team destroyer”, when they re-hired him?
January 10th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
C’mon Pete! You’re starting to sound a lot like Apple……LOL!
January 10th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Look how Fox straightened out that mess in Denver.
Pretty good for a retread.
January 10th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Yeah but he had a HOF QB in Tebow to work with….I’m Kidding! I’m kidding!
January 10th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
OAR, i live in St Louis and for the record Bradford is in his 2nd year, he won OFF Rookie of the year last year. Jackson only missed 4 games @ the begining of the season, and Bradford was out played by Feeley when he got hurt. i hate the Rams and enjoyed watching Bradford struggle under McDaniels. he went back to the Pats so he could win, knowing that would be next to impossible in the Lou.
January 10th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
anybody ask what Bill Cower is doing these days???? just another name in the fire, prolly hire another OC or DC. oh well Lets Go Bucs! BUC IT IM OUT!!!!!!
January 10th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
“Leather helmets….what the hell happened to the leather helmets??? Have I been out of the loop that long??! Brian! Brian! Where are my glasses??”
January 10th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Why r ppl sayin McDaniels? he flooped in Denver!!!!!!! Marty Ball or Zimmer
January 10th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
Also sign DeSean Jackson and LaRon Landry i think they would be great fits
January 10th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Sorry to rain on your parades Bobby and OAR…but it’s true. As a head coach in Denver, McDaniels started out by lying to and alienating Cutler. And then his lies continued and turned several other players against him.
If he was so good, he would still be there. That’s the chink in your chain. Good coaches don’t lose teams before their first season starts.
McDaniels as a head coach IS a team destroyer. Denver may be doing okay right now, but they COULD have done okay back then if not for him.
With the Patriots, he’s not a head coach…in fact even as OC he would not be calling plays…we all know who the boss there is.
I respect your opinions, but in this instance you are off base.
(btw, my earlier comments were made on my Kindle…you can always tell when I’m on it because my comments are not long-winded, lol)
January 10th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
McDaniels is not a team destroyer. McDaniels wanted his QB, much like Rah pre-determining that Josh Johnson was a career backup and going and drafting the most average statistical QB in the state of Kansas this decade ;). McDaniels wanted his guy so he went after Cassell.
Cutler had that “stats but not wins” persona when McDaniels came in which lead to wanting his own guy there. Most QBs do, that’s why I am not totally sure Freeman is going to be here for more than two more years unless he starts throwing for 25+ TDs and less than 15 picks a year.
After rumors got out, Cutler did exactly what McDaniels knew he’d do; he threw a temper tantrum. He whined and cried and complained and got his way out, a more vocal version of what Jeff Gacia did after the Favre rumors back in 08. Cutler was/is a diva and it has to be all about him. McDaniels traded him and netted two first round picks along with Orton who was a positive influence on the team until Tebow mania (much like the same way he got butt hurt when Grossman came back in Chicago).
Then he got rid of Hillis and Marshall. Although not known at the time and the deal for Hillis was terrible, both of these dudes seem to look like divas. Marshall complains about everything and Hillis made up every excuse possible this year for his bad play and seemed to make PR mess after PR mess. Brady Quinn, although not a playing contributor, helped Tim Tebow with film study and game preparation and other things. Watch a Broncos game. Tebow is always talking to McCoy (why isnt he being mentioned?) or Brady Quinn.
To fill the void left by Cutler and Marshall, McDaniels went and drafted two project players with high ceilings and even higher character in Deymaryius Thomas and Tim Tebow. He thought he’d be given longer to instill his plan. Unfortunately that never came to fruition and John Elway was brought in a year too late. Now, John Fox is a great coach who was given a raw deal in Carolina by a terrible GM and the impossible task of having Jimmy Clausen as a franchise QB. Now, Fox’s loyalty to Delhomme played a role in the Panthers landing in that situation, but that’s neither here nor there.
McDaniels is probably the closest thing to a Bellicheck clone. In Bill’s first head coaching stint, he wasn’t overly successful. McDaniels is a hardass and demands respect from his players. He is also a high character guy and doesn’t take any BS. Bebe and Tebow were his two gambles and it looks like they may be paying off now.
Josh wouldn’t be a bad hire.
January 10th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
I would love to be wrong if he came here, and if he did come here, I would support him 100%. But until and unless that happens, I don’t want him.
It won’t matter. These guys have just been warmups to the good interviews.
On a side note, I could live with Marty, Martz…heck, believe it or not, I could force myself to live with Sherman (okay, I admit that would take a few days to wrap my head around).
In a few days we’ll be hearing about an interview with a good option coming up next week, and hopefully, either next week or right after the SB we’ll here of another, unless the first guy gets the job.
There are very few guys I would have a hard time with, and Josh McDaniels is one of them. I WOULD support him if he became the guy though, and I would not be hoping for his failure like Thomas does all the time.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:37 am
I’m fine with this.
Good on the Glazers.
Keep stealing all the knowledge that you can.
Maybe they’ll learn how to make the Bucs into a winner in 2012.
I’ve always bashed the Glazers for mismanagement since 2003
(IMO)….but THIS is GOOD news if it’s true.
It means they care.
January 11th, 2012 at 9:57 am
A real bucs fan (Pete)
No worries, I can thake a little rain! Just, dont p!ss in my cheerios and all will be good.
January 11th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Barton
I stand corrected! I’m not a fan of the Rams, so knowledge isn’t what you’d expect from me on them. But, I still dont think McDaniels is a “team destroyer” and is a very good OC. Calling plays for the Patriots, including the 16-0 year, is not a fluke.