Bucs Ask To Speak With Joe Philbin

January 16th, 2012

Per Chris Mortensen of BSPN, the Bucs have asked permission from Green Bay to speak with Packers offensive coordinator Joe Philbin to fill the void left by jettisoned coach Raheem Morris.

@MortReport: Bucs seek permission to interview Packers OC Joe Philbin…more coming on @NFL32 6 ET ESPN2

Joe has two quick thoughts on this:

1) Philbin, yes, is the offensive coordinator, but in name only. He is more the Packers offensive line coach, much like Bill Muir was with Chucky. Like Philbin, Muir was an offensive coordinator but in name only. Muir was the offensive line coach.

Also like Muir and Chucky, Mike McCarthy calls the plays and not Philbin.

2) Joe would be a bit surprised if Philbin leaves Green Bay now. For those unaware, Philbin’s son drowned last week and was laid to rest Saturday. Clearly, the family is likely in a state of shock. How clearly or hungry Philbin will be for a new gig so soon, Joe has doubts.

Now let’s say Philbin is offered the job and accepts. Might he bring Packers quarterback coach Tom Clements with him?

eric Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Excellent move.

Really pleased to hear this.

Guy knows what a good organization looks like and probably would feed into the Glazers philosophy. Surely he knows something from that, even if he didnt call plays. Hopefully he would have a good coordiantor to do that here anyhow – like Clements. Maybe Sherman? They worked together there also.

Getting out of GB might be best for him given the tragedy.
Matthew Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
I would love to have Philbin, but just don’t think the Bucs should go with him right now. His head can not be in the right place after the death of his son. It’s a big jump to become a first time HC let alone dealing with a loss like that.
Bucs4ever Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
If he brings Tom clements with him, I’m on board.
jvato24 Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Sounds like the interview was great !!!!

Zimmer walks out of One Buc … Door Shuts to the faint sound of ringing from a cell phone in the other room … Yes … Joe Philbin please ……..
Wisconsin Bucs fan Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
No Ex or current Packer coaches. Hire Marty! Lets start to win, next year, not a few years up the road. Marty ball with LGB……… Think about it!
Thomas 2.2 Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Rah did not leave a void. He was a negative, if you dont replace him y
Thomas 2.2 Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Rah did not leave a void. He was a negative, if you dont replace him you go back to zero – which is an improvement.
sensiblebuc Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Not really a fan of anybody without coordinating experience which is why I didn’t think Philbin or Russ Grimm would get a look (and I really like what Russ Grimm brings to the table). I’m sure Philbin is a great coach and I’m sure he’s well respected around the league but we don’t need another position coach who has to learn on the job.

We need a CEO.
sensiblebuc Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
* with experience running at least one side of the ball.
eric Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Blount would have to learn to block and catch out of the backfield to play for Marty. And not take plays off.

Wisconsin Bucs fan Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
When LGB has real coaching he will be fine.
jvato24 Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
The few times Blount has been thrown too he has been pretty effective. And has around a 4.5 yd Career average in an Offense that had no clue how to use him.
Brandon Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Yes, but at least he’s been around somebody that know HOW to call plays.

With that in mind, Pete Carmichael, the OC of the Saints, has been calling plays, ever since the Bucs broke Sean Payton’s knee. He’s available and is part of a just as high scoring offense that also runs the ball.
canada buc fan Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
I’m not always a fan of taking a co-ordinator of the best O or D and making them a head coach. Often times the co-ordinator is in a great position and the team makes him look better than he is. The most recent example is Josh Mcdaniels, is he as great of an offensive mastermind as we thought or is Tom Brady capable of making anyone look like a genius. I get the same vibe from Philbin, in that Aaron Rodgers and that receiving corps is out of this world (Minus last night of course) and have a lot more to do with how great that offence is. I would much prefer someone like Zimmer who has taken a group of players without a ton of superstars and turned it into a good defence. That said I would be ok with Philbin especially if some of that Green Bay staff came with him. (Clements as OC and Kevin Greene as DC-for those of you who want to see some 3-4).
Jonny Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
@canada Buc fan: Do not forget that Kyle Orton statistically had one of his best years as a QB under Josh McDaniels.

You are right when you say Coordinators of good teams may not be as good as their results show up. But look at Philbin’s resume on Packers website, where ever he’s been, he’s had success with the units he was working on. Also if he gets Tom Clements as his OC, that is a very good start considering getting Freeman out of the slump is a big priority this season.
Trox Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
The defense stinks, but fixing Freeman has to be the priority of the next head coach. If Philbin can bring Clements on staff to me he has to jump to the front of the line.
A REAL Bucs Fan Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
And there it is…the bigger name I thought was coming. I suspect we’ll see another as well.

As to bringing Clements if the Bucs hire him, FORGET IT. The Packers would have to agree to let Clements go, and they won’t because they will need him there.

I could see them letting 2 people go…perhaps Kevin Greene and James Campen. Greene would possibly help in switching over to a 3-4 if that is the plan. He’s also a good LB coach.

Campen has been the Oline coach for the Packers…and has shown some skill there.

Or he could bring Edgar Bennett, who specializes in player development on offense, mainly RBs but also WRs.

Of course, I’m just guessing. But I don’t see the Packers letting him bring Clements with him. They are 2 of the 3 best coaches the packers have below the HC.

The Bucs COULD get Clements, but the only way to keep the Packers from blocking them is by signing him as head coach.
A REAL Bucs Fan Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Actually, if Philbin is HC I wouldn’t mind Marty as OC.
Squadoosh Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
How do you go on job interviews a week after your son dies…and why would you interview sommeone that soon after a tragedy like that..can’t imagine.
Brad Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
@real. Not sure why you think Philibin is a big name? As mentioned he’s not the play caller on offense so I think it would a mistake. I would take Marty as HC and Clements as my OC. Then I’d hire either Leavitts or Spags as my DC.
A REAL Bucs Fan Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
Is there any chance that the Bucs requested the interview in the hopes of gleaning info on Clements?

BTW…Joe Philbin would not have to call the plays if he got a good OC.

Who would be the DC though?
Steve Spagnuolo can coach 3-4, 4-3 and 4-4. And he has a habit of getting the best from his defenses.

I think at DC we need fresh blood. Not a retread like Rod or Herm.
Brad Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
@real. Clements is the QB coach. The Packers can’t block him if it’s a promotion to OC. He would be my OC before I would want Philbin as my HC. The Bucs aren’t going to hire a coordinator that doesn’t make his own call.
Brad Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
It’s not the point of him needing to call plays but if they are going to hire a coordinator as a HC it will have to be one that has good experience and actually runs their side of the team either offensively or defensively. We don’t need another on the job training HC. This is of course my opinion.
A REAL Bucs Fan Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Brad Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 9:51 pm

@real. Clements is the QB coach. The Packers can’t block him if it’s a promotion to OC. He would be my OC before I would want Philbin as my HC. The Bucs aren’t going to hire a coordinator that doesn’t make his own call.

As I understand it, a team cannot block an interview to be promoted to head coach.

However, they CAN block it for a lesser position. That’s why we saw a couple interviews (not for the Bucs) blocked this past week.

The Packers CAN block Clements from interviewing for the OC position if they want. And if Philbin leaves, why wouldn’t they?

Besides that…as I’ve already stated. If Philbin leaves, the Packers would make Clements OC there. Which would you think he would want to be OC at…Tampa or Green Bay? Green Bay is pretty much a guaranteed success with Rodgers there.
mainebuc Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
Joe,

Just saw on a message board- haven’t verified it yet- that the bucs have been given permission to interview, your boy, Tom Clements.
A REAL Bucs Fan Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
@mainebuc
He was the first name I said I wanted. As I once said to Joe…we get him and I would need dry shorts.

Sick, I know.
Brad Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Im not sure the ins and outs but of coordinators leaving and it may be contact driven cause I see coaches leaving for the same positions in some cases. As in Greg Williams for the Saints. Besides I don’t want Philibin but will take Clements. It can also depend on the coach. Us Williams going to a better job than the Saints. I don’t think so but he likes Fusher better.
Mattthew Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Just saw the same thing.
Brad Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
That’s contract driven
Brad Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
Damn I butchered my last blog. Lol. I’m typing on my damn iPhone instead of computer.

A REAL Bucs Fan Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Just to clarify…I was the first to suggest Clements:
https://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=59908

First comment.

So he can’t get hired…I’m always wrong, right?
Cmurda Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
I still like the idea of Zimmer or Marty better. Zimmer is young with the fire we need with an impressive recent resume and Marty is a proven winner. Albeit, regular season only.
A REAL Bucs Fan Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
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Bucs Want Coach Who Can Work With Dominik
January 6th, 2012

Bucs beat writer Rick Stroud of the Tampa Bay Times stopped in for a visit with Tampa Bay sports media czar J.P. Peterson yesterday on WQYK-AM 1010 and talked about the Bucs’ job search to fill the void left by jettisoned coach Raheem Morris.

Naturally Joe took notes.

The Bucs want to “interview someone that can work with Mark Dominik. But they are all on one-day contracts,” Stroud said.

“Not having Barrett Ruud and Cadillac Williams had an impact and was a calamity down the stretch. Coaches sort of expected it but they bought into it and” then came 2010.

“Keith Milliard never had a chance to work with his players in an offseason, but that’s the job they chose.

“You have to start with ownership. I’m a big believer in good organizations win championships. They do what it takes to win, they invest financially and they pick good people.

“One of the reasons Jon Gruden is not here is because they wouldn’t invest in free agency and get guys in their prime and spend money and they were not willing to do that.

“2010 was miraculous, I mean pretty incredible. But those decisions [on lack of veterans] came back to bite them. The coaches, believe me, they are on the field and in the classroom with these guys, they tried to impart upon management with wouldn’t fly this year and guess what?

“The Glazers do pay attention to the rest of the league. They take their time. Because Jeff Fisher is popular, doesn’t mean a thing to them. They have been around as long as Jeff Fisher. They will march to the beat of their own drum.

“There are a lot of good football coaches out there. I think it will be very risky for them to hire a first-time head coach after what happened with Raheem and that is unfortunate. Maybe the best coach is Rob Chuzinski, but a first-time head coach, is that the best move? That’s a different job than you have ever had before and you will learn on the job and make mistakes.

“Guys are going to wake up and not be on the team, they won’t realize it.

“I think they will get a guy who has head coaching experience. Jeff Fisher worked for an owner, Bud Adams, who is one step from Bill Bidwill or Hugh Culverhouse. What is Fisher looking for? Commitment. I don’t know if that is what he sees.

“Mike Mularkey is really intriguing. He’s not a young guy any more. He’s good with young quarterbacks. He knows the Falcons, he knows the Saints. He’s an intriging guy.

“Chip Kelly? It’s a big risk coming from college football. How will he do? Will his offense work with Josh Freeman? When you have LeGarrette Blount who gets a quarterback killed, when you have Mike Williams who can’t stretch the field, when you have Kellen Winslow who can’t run any more, let’s see how you do.

“I don’t think they want a guy who wants to run personnel. They will have to get along with Mark. I would be surprised if they hire a first-time head coach and that may be the best way to go, that guy might be a superstar.”

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72 Responses to “Bucs Want Coach Who Can Work With Dominik”

bucfanjeff Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 5:16 pm

Joe, unrelated, during coach media videos you often hear somebody off camera saying ’2 more questions’, or however many. Who is that person dictating the question amounts, and\or time left? Is there a standard time\amount?
Apple Roof Cleaning Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 5:19 pm

Unfortunately, the Glazer Kids grew up with Mark Dominik, he is their age, and their friend!
Both Jerry Angelo AND Bill Polian are availiable, but the Glazers will not fire Mark Dominik, though the rest of the NFL knows he is the problem.
Look at all the interest in Raheem because the NFL has TAPE, and can see Tampa’s lack of Talent and depth.
The ONLY one who see’s Mark Dominik as a “Rockstar” is everyone’s friend Joe, who seems to have adopted the “WDAE Model” for intentionally pissing off sports fans.
I was at the Press Box talking sports recently, and proudly said I an a regular on JBF.
I had a hard time defending Joe from total contempt for his position on Mediocre Mark Dominik.
I greatly respect Joe, I just disagree with his stubborn stance with regards to Mark Dominik.

It sure looks like Mike Sherman might be coming here to Tampa, and he has general manager experience as well.
He is a players coach, after all, he got into Sapps face for his player.

I think if we neutralize Mark Dominik by not allowing him final say in player acquisition, and improve our scouting department, Tampa will be OK.
Free Agents will have to be acquired, and we will have to draft wisely, but I think we are going to be just fine, in a few years.
After all, we simply can’t GET any worse!
MTM Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 5:23 pm

So Buc fans are f@#$ed! What a joke? See how many people in Tampa renew their season tickets for that crap.
Hillbilly Heaven Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 5:29 pm

There isnt an experienced coach in the league that will step into this mess without control over his staff and serious input into player acquisition.

I have been a fan all my life, since day 1, and I never thought we would ever be back in the dark days. I fear the worst.

Cancelled my season tickets when Rah was hired
Cancelled my Sunday Ticket after week 10

There’s nothing left to do but wait until the Glazers wise-up or sell to DeBartolo……dare to dream
MTM Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 5:37 pm

So the Rockstar is in the Glazers ear for all decisions. That spells disaster.
Sensiblebuc Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 5:41 pm

@ bucfanjeff

I would imagine that that’s Johnathan (?) Grella the team’s PR guru.
Jake Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 5:44 pm

It’s really amazing that it has taken this long for the mainstream sportswriters that cover the team to revoke the Glazer’ Free Pass !
Joe Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 5:50 pm

bucfanjeff:

That’s Jonathan Grella. He moderates press conferences.
A REAL Bucs Fan Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 5:51 pm

“One of the reasons Jon Gruden is not here is because they wouldn’t invest in free agency and get guys in their prime and spend money and they were not willing to do that.

That’s ironic, since it was the Gruden era that put us in cap hell because of over spending on Free Agents.
aj Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 5:52 pm

bucfanjeff, it is most likely a pr person. There may or may not be time considerations, the pr guy may just notice the player/coach has had enough and cuts the interview for them, or the q-and-a may just be going in a direction the pr guy does not like.

Happens a lot, most franchises loathe the idea of someone doing an interview without pr present.
Macabee Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 5:53 pm

Translation: The Bucs want a coach that will do what Mark Dominik says, as did Raheem Morris – no questions asked! Only coaches who will pledge to take 21yr old 7th rounders and practice squadders to the playoffs need apply!
A REAL Bucs Fan Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 5:56 pm

@Apple Roof Cleaning
“It sure looks like Mike Sherman might be coming here to Tampa”

That’s a strong assumption. Because Sherman was one of the first people interviewed?

They said they are going to take their time…in fact, they even said it might take as long as 3 weeks. Gee, what happens in 3 weeks?

Mark Dominick is an excellent GM. The Glazers kept him from spending up to this point, and they know it. That’s why he is still here. Mark my words…we’re getting someone good.
Ash Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 5:57 pm

A REAL Bucs Fan, Cap hell was mostly due to Rich McKay. Allen was brought in to clean it up. Us fans were under the impression that once Allen got the cap under control spending would follow but it never did.
Thomas 2.2 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 5:59 pm

So, let me get this straight.

Great coaches who will object or overrule Dom’s poor decisions are excluded from the coaching search but bad coaches who will not are candidates.

And you wonder why Rah was hired and our franchise destroyed?

I hope Stroud is way off. Dom is clueless and lost.

What scandalous pictures or info does he possess on the Glazers?
A REAL Bucs Fan Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:00 pm

@Ash
That’s because the Lockout was looming. All the owners except a couple held back spending so that they would have more leverage on the players.

Last year there is no good excuse, but they years leading up to it made total sense from a business perspective.
A REAL Bucs Fan Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:03 pm

@Thomas 2.2
Where’s your list of coaching preferences?
Thomas 2.2 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:04 pm

I heard on sports radio from a listener who said that he was told by Bruce Allen’s general counsel when hen was here that the Glazers initial instructions to Allen upon hiring were – trim 30 million from the payroll.

The listener said that they actually trimmed 37 million and Bruce and John objected when they were asked to slash more – that is what led to their dismissal.

If true, this makes perfect sense, is consistent with what we all have suspected and suggests that the Glazers and Clay Aiken haven’t been completely truthful. Shocker!
Ash Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:05 pm

No excuse being the lowest payroll in the league. I can see not spending all your money but they were / are just plain cheap ass owners
Ash Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:06 pm

since Manchester United
Brad Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:06 pm

Hiring a coach that can work with Dominik (I hope he gets demoted after a coach is hired) would be my last requirement. Finding a coach that has discipline and can bring in good coordinators would be top on the list. There were two people I didn’t want for a head coach next year. Morris or Sherman. If the Glazers want to change the perception of what the fans think about them they better not hire Sherman. What happened to looking at everything and taking their time in hiring a coach. If they stop at Sherman I would just assume they keep Morris. I know a coach isn’t going to do alot as far as an increase in ticket sells but hiring Sherman would guarantee a decline including mine.
Thomas 2.2 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:10 pm

A real buc:

Unrealistically, I want Cowher or Fisher.

Realistically, Joe Philbin, Chuck Pagano, Mike Zimmer or Brian Billick.

Which would you prefer? Clements or Philbin?

My money is on Clements.
A REAL Bucs Fan Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
WOW. How the heck did all that other stuff get in there??? All I copied was :

“A real buc:

Unrealistically, I want Cowher or Fisher.

Realistically, Joe Philbin, Chuck Pagano, Mike Zimmer or Brian Billick.”
gotbbucs Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
Brad, Greg Williams’ contract was up as soon as the Saints season was over. He was essentialy a free agent.
REAL has a good point. If Philbin leaves Green Bay, Clements automatically moves to the front of the line to be the OC for an offense with one of the top 3 QB’s in the NFL. The only way I would see Clements wanting to move on is the fact that being the OC in Green Bay is just a glorified assistant job since you never really get to call your own plays.
T. Bass Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
Per profootballtalk.com Tom Clements will interview with Bucs
MTM Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
@ A REAL BUCS FAN. Nice Manifesto.
A REAL Bucs Fan Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
@MTM
LOL….oops.
Pete 422 Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
Nobody knows what the Glazers are doing. They are air tight.
Pool Fence Tampa Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
Not sure about Mr. Philbin. I’m really starting to lean toward Marty even though he wasn’t my first choice. He’s had some solid teams over the years and right now, solid sounds good.
FLBoyInDallas Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
You guys are betting that a guy who successfully develops QB’s, Tom Clements, is automatically qualified to not only install an offense but also to jump straight into head coaching and all the myriad details that involves. Does improving the games of Favre and Rodgers prove anything beyond the fact that he’s one of the best QB coaches? Seems like quite a stretch, to say the least. Unfounded optimism…that’s what got us in trouble with Raheem in the first place.
A REAL Bucs Fan Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 1:17 am
FlyBoy
Go to the packers website and read up on Clements.

Then consider this…Clements is very QB friendly. As HC he can see to the development of Freeman. But he does not have to install an offence himself.

There is the perfect guy out there to be named OC. No one is banging down his door to be HC because of his age, but he has stated he would love to teach the Bucs players. Everyone has stated we shouldmake Marty the HC and Clements the OC so he can take over when Marty retires.

I say make Clements the HC and Marty the guiding experienced OC. That way no team can steal Clements from the Bucs due to the NFL interview rules.

Think about it. Marty is not getting many offers. He just wants to teach the young guys. He would go for OC/ASST HC.

Imagine…

HC-Clements
OC-Marty
DC-Kevin Greene (I think thats the name of the GB LB Coach)

Greene has been a DC. he has worked with 3-4, 4-3, andthe 4-4…he’s the perfect one to turn aroud the defense. Shoot, he even has a LB getting double digit sacks!

(disclaimer: I’m on my kindle so can’t open another window to verify the lb coach name, but I do mean the LB coach. Not even sure I can open the packers site on this thing)
A REAL Bucs Fan Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 1:33 am
It is Greene.
Hillbilly Heaven Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 7:31 am
ARBF – what is your deal?
Are you 16 or something?

Man, you are the king of the uninformed — Marty as OC? WTF?
Do us all a favor, step back and learn a little before you post
Northend Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 7:56 am
No on clements,let him season up a bit as an oc,calling plays etc before we give him the keys to the car.lets get a motivator for our quitting,losing group if overpaid ballers and turn them into a team that is fundamentally sound and plays with heart.then lets experiment with the next big thing
Brad Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 8:56 am
@realbuc. Man that the dumbest idea yet. You don’t hire Marty as an OC and bring a QB coach as HC. You hire Marty as HC and have a head coach with only 2 losing seasons groom the next HC.
A REAL Bucs Fan Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:18 am
I am now convinced that I’m not the idiot here. Time will prove me out.

Some people are simply incapable of seeing beyond themselves.

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