Bucs 26th In Committed Cash For 2012
December 3rd, 2011
The spend-some-damn-money crowd got an update this morning from the statistical gremlins at ESPN, so reports NFC South blogger Pat Yasinskas.
Privy to “committed” cash data for the 2012 season, Yasinskas reports that the Bucs have the 26th most dough on the docket at $91.5 million, about $14 million under the league average.
I’m seeing six teams with more 2012 cap room than the Bucs, who are at $91.533 million. Tampa Bay’s number also is going to climb after this season because the Bucs are playing a lot of young players who have escalator clauses in their contracts that kick in if certain requirements on playing time are met.
One of the teams well below the average is the Atlanta Falcons. They’re sitting at $89.3 million. The Cincinnati Bengals ($71.2 million) have the least committed toward the 2012 cap.
If this were late February, Joe might be paying more attention. But with five games to go and unknown variables in this data, Joe doesn’t care too much.
Remember, these numbers from ESPN are essentially contracts on the books for 2012. So, for example, Ronde Barber, who reportedly has a one-year deal for 2011 at $5 million, is not part of the 2012 cash numbers. The data may or may not include Albert Haynesworth’s rougly $7 million he’s scheduled to make next season. Quincky Black’s fat deal is in there.
The only thing clear is that the Bucs will again have a pile of money available to spend in the offseason.
December 3rd, 2011 at 11:12 am
After the last couple of reports from Yasinskas, I don’t believe any of the data. he most likely made them up.
And don’t forget Joe, The Bucs can’t spend that pile of money now, because one day we might have to give a contract to one of younger guys down the road. Or at least that is what we were told by the Rockstar GM!
December 3rd, 2011 at 11:21 am
So we spend more than the bangles and falcons but still can’t fill a stadium, score 1st half points, tackle anyone, and now find ourselves in the NFC basement….hey at least we aren’t the eagles…:)
December 3rd, 2011 at 11:26 am
You are right Quincy Black is going to need to be re-signed in a few years, better start saving now Dominick
December 3rd, 2011 at 11:28 am
LOL.
Bucs will find a way to cut Faine or Winslow and then “spend money” in free agency. Eight seasons of this team being run on a tight budget, but we’re supposed to believe otherwise.
December 3rd, 2011 at 11:33 am
Wins cost cash. 4-8 for a reason.
December 3rd, 2011 at 11:34 am
Glazers are a bunch of cheap azzes.
December 3rd, 2011 at 11:41 am
One thing about this money issue: It shows how many Bucs fans have only been fans since ’95 or ’96. Anyone who has been a fan since the start and, therefore, endured Hugh Culverhouse, has to almost laugh at the insanity. You “newby” fans don’t not crappolla about cheap owners. Think what you want about the Glazers but they took our “Burger Chef” franchise and turned it into McDonalds. They totally rebranded the Bucs, new stadium, basically everyhting you post-95 fans know about the Bucs . . . thank the Glazers.
Ridiculous that so many people are obsessed with payroll. When the Colts started rebuilding they had the lowest payroll in the league. They drafted Manning etc and built them team the exact same way the current Bucs are trying to build — through the draft. They became a perrenial contender and, guess what? Their payroll went to almost the highest in the league. Why? They had to pay all those young guys coming off rookie contracts. Same thing will start happening to the Bucs with Freeman, Blount, Williams, Price, GMC, Foster etc etc.
Relax you “newby” fans . . . . Stupid issue really. How upset were you about the payroll when the Bucs won 10 games last year? How about when we had one of the highest payrolls in the league and won 4 games???
December 3rd, 2011 at 11:44 am
They need to update their tackling dummies. They obviously aren’t doing their job
December 3rd, 2011 at 12:12 pm
I don’t care how you do it. Draft, FA or otherwise, but just get the best talent on this team you can get, because there is clearly room for improvement all over the place.
We have the means to use all options available to improve this team, yet the Glazers handcuff their GM (and in turn their coach who is inexperienced and has worse quality talent to work with than he could) and expect the playoffs and fans in the seats? I mean come on.
Even the Rays don’t avoid free agency completely…
December 3rd, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Fans would come out to see the Bucs if they were in the playoffs?? Sure they would….I mean the Rays stadium was packed when they were in the playoffs right? Oh wait…..
December 3rd, 2011 at 12:33 pm
Take out Albert and add 7 million, where does that put them? 32nd? Regardless of how well AH continues to play (proving that you can actually make stats from that position) the team will either cut or renegotiate albert or both.
Take actual cash since 2004 and the Glazers have By Far consumed more cash from their franchise than any other owner.
December 3rd, 2011 at 12:54 pm
And they wonder why they can’t sell out anymore.
December 3rd, 2011 at 1:08 pm
The total BS crap you see on boards like these:
“Thomas 2.2: Take actual cash since 2004 and the Glazers have By Far consumed more cash from their franchise than any other owner.”
Please provide any link or source for that God forsaken pulled out of your azz tripe?
December 3rd, 2011 at 1:26 pm
Lucas…Burger Chef and Jeff! That brings me back to the old days. You are right on the numbers as well. Don’t worry about Thomas, he never reveals his top secret sources.
December 3rd, 2011 at 1:31 pm
The fact is the Bucs will never be an elite team again under this ownership. I guarantee you that. Most Bucs fans have come to accept that which is why they not only arnt going to the games anymore, but dont even really care about the team anymore, especially with the blackouts. If they cant watch the team on TV, they arnt going to the stadium to pay for a ticket. They are finding something else to do with their Sunday.
December 3rd, 2011 at 2:05 pm
@Jerry I agree with you on the blackouts. The blackouts are really killing the fan base. It takes the fun out of the season when you cant watch your team play on sundays and shouldnt be punished because you cant afford season tickets or have the time to go because you dont live close. The blackout range is from Tampa to Daytona so if you live by Daytona its alot to travel to Tampa for every game. However, this team not ever being elite again under this ownership you guarantee that I think is pretty far stretched. This team will be elite again.
December 3rd, 2011 at 2:54 pm
Sick of FANS BLAMING THE OWNERSHIP!! Jesus Christ! How are the Glazers cheap when we fired Gruden while he was still getting paid for the sake of this team? How are the Glazers cheap when they gave up so much to acquire Gruden? How are the Glazers cheap when they gave Kellen Winslow and Jeff Faine highest paid contracst at there positions? How are they cheap when they gave fat contracts to Donald Penn, Davin Joseph, Quincy Slack Black, Michael Clayhands, Derrick Ward, Offered more than the Redskins to acquire AH in 2009, and gave Antonio Bryant a 1 YEAR $10 million guaranteed Franchise tag, One Buc is not a part of C.I.T.S., the list goes on… ITS THE GM’S responsibility to SPEND THERE MONEY!! I guarantee we offer DeSean Jackson BIG MONEY and take a big leap in Free Agency this year.
ITS NOT THE GLAZERS, ITS DOMINIK! Oh, I forgot only true bucs fans know this.
Sick and Tired of these so called Bucs Fans pointing there fingers at the Glazers when we have one of the best owners in the NFL, and even if you disagree on whether there top 10 or not (which they are based on what theyve done for this ball club since theyve owned the team) what i said in the beginning at least proves or backs them up very well that they aren’t cheap.
December 3rd, 2011 at 3:06 pm
Lucas…don’t be an a$$. Some of us weren’t even alive or old enough to be a “pre-95 fan” or “real fan” as you make it sound. I’m a die hard Bucs fan. So sorry if in 95 I was only 9yrs old and had just figured out who my favorite team was. I get the idea of building through the draft. But right now I think Rah and Dom need to step things up. So far their team is not up to par. Their top 2 DL draft picks can’t stay healthy. They keep Lewis stubs when he can’t stay healthy and isn’t any good. Way more than likely there will not be a playoff this’d yr. That puts them at 3 yrs without one. And there could he a real shot at a losing record for 2 of the 3 yrs. The 10-6 record last yr only shows we played weak teams. This it people ae blaming it on a “tougher schedule”. However, I tjink this yr clearly shows us that we are not as good as our record showed us last yr. The discipline of this team is not good. They don’t stay on assignment, they commit way to many penalties, decision making needs to be better, Rah needs a real dc, Olson needs to be fired. There are so many thing to look at. They have had 3 drafts and so far they have not had 1 consistant stud. A lot of that comes on coaching and play calling.
December 3rd, 2011 at 3:10 pm
Ownership really has nothing to do with the money issue…I would take this team any year over the bad teams we had under gruden. Dungy had a high salary cap because we had a very talented team with three if not four hall of fame players on it . Allen and gruden came in had a horrible cap situation to deal with they cleaned it up a bit and dom inheritated basically a new team full of very little talent. You talk about starting over in 2009 we might have well been a new team coming into the league with so little talent and experience. We are now sitting at a spot where we and the coaches and gm know the players here won’t cut it. Yes we have a good young core now its tme to keep adding to that core do I expect a redskins offseason no and nor would I look at all the people they get every year and were still better than them. Three or four players who can push or are starting player calibur plus another draft and a full offseason of work this team will be fine. Plus some coaches who have been around the block. Rah is a new coach and coordinator as is olson and as is many of their coaches. If he wants to succeed I think he knows he needs to get some people around him who know what there doing
December 3rd, 2011 at 4:05 pm
I have been trying to provide my support but it wont let me.
Times 2009 article: cheap ways dooming bucs?
This year we are 31st in player spending (smidge ahead of kc).
December 3rd, 2011 at 4:23 pm
Thibs:
Trueblood, Dj, Penn, Faine, talib, Barber, Spurlock, Hayward, Black, Hayes (i know the last 2 suck) were all holdovers – many of your best players were here before.
Now, $ caused them to let Ruud, Caddy etc go. They rebuilt qb, offensive skill positions and DLine (hardly an “entire team” rebuild).
December 3rd, 2011 at 4:54 pm
Lucas:
Thomas 2.2 doesn’t roll like that. 🙂
Oh, and Joe isn’t a message board.
December 3rd, 2011 at 4:56 pm
Captain Stagger:
Re-signed, by who? The Edmonton Eskimos? The Iowa Barnstormers?
Black will be lucky if he’s not cut. The ONLY thing saving him is the bonus cash he got from Team Glazer.
December 3rd, 2011 at 5:31 pm
pull up google and type “Buccaneers least ” and it will take you to many articles.
“It’s official.
Bank on it, or, at least the Glazers bank on it. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers have spent the LEAST amount of money on player payroll for the past five NFL seasons.
They’re right there at the bottom: No. 32 of 32.
The total of $449 million earns them bottom honors per the survey put together by Jason La Canfora, formerly of the Washington Post, now with NFL.com. He reviewed the numbers provided by the NFL’s Management Council.”
December 3rd, 2011 at 8:51 pm
“Ownership really has nothing to do with the money issue…I would take this team any year over the bad teams we had under gruden”
ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR GD MIND?? DO YOU KNOW WHO OWNS THE TEAM?
Dude, go ask England what they think of the Glazers. Go Google the dirt they have on them. They increased ticket sales by 40% in 4 years for Man U. And its not about money? Go drink the koolaide some more junior.
“oo were rebuilding..dirka dirka..”
December 3rd, 2011 at 10:32 pm
I know zero about Legarrette Blount’s contract. Could one of these performance clauses be a reason they are inexplicably keeping him off the field?
December 4th, 2011 at 12:55 am
huge coincidence.
just like extending the salary floor to 2013.
December 4th, 2011 at 3:55 am
Is it really? (cue X-Files music)