The Class Of ’09 Struggling
November 28th, 2011
When the Bucs hired Raheem Morris in January of 2009, he was one of 11 new coaches inked by NFL teams that offseason, more than one third of the league had new coaches.
Not quite three years later, the track record of those coaches is grim, so documented Kent Babb of the Kansas City Star while musing on Twitter.
@kentbabb: Haley took over in 09, one of 11 new NFL coaches. Five have already been fired. Three (Haley, Spags, Caldwell) on hot seat. … Only ones safe are Schwartz, Rex and Raheem Morris. This is how tough it is to find a great coach. 09 teams are batting .272 for sure thing.
And later, though he was writing about Chiefs coach Todd Haley and writing directly to Chiefs fans, he offered what could be a cautionary tale for Bucs fans who have set aside their personal schedules for the month of January in order to help Morris move.
@kentbabb: I’m only saying the chances are better of KC getting a Josh McDaniels than a Bill Cowher. Keep this in mind when leading Haley to guillotine
That’s an interesting thought on several levels. If the Bucs do jettison Morris, they could wind up with the second coming of Ray Handley.
Also, wasn’t it Morris who allegedly so charmed Broncos owner Pat Bowlen he nearly beat out McDaniels for the Denver coaching job which, urban rumor has it, motivated Team Glazer to hire Morris pegging him as the next Mike Tomlin, or otherwise the Bucs would lose him?
November 28th, 2011 at 7:11 pm
wow had to dig deep for this one.
November 28th, 2011 at 7:18 pm
Indeed, finding a great coach is very hard.
If our horrible losing streak continues and we’re 4-9 or 4-10 in a couple of weeks, then maybe we should go ahead and fire Raheem and Olsen then so we can get a jump start on a coaching search and be ahead of the other teams that will be looking for new coaches.
And Joe, according to Wikipedia (yes, I know it’s wikipedia) Monte Kiffin is still employed at USC. So that dream scenario of him returning seems to be impossible now.
The only coaching candidate I’d really be interested in is Andy Reid. He’s consistently had contender teams up in Philadelphia since he got there in 1999. I know he didn’t win a Super Bowl, but he’s been to one and he came close to it 4 other times. Maybe he can bring DeSean Jackson with him!
Jeff Fisher and Bill Cowher: decent coaches but I never thought Fisher was that great. The Titans always sucked under him as far as I can remember. Cowher……well it did take him a while to win a Super Bowl. Plus he doesn’t run the Tampa 2.
Maybe Jon Gruden’s brother up in Cincinatti? Look what he’s done with Andy Dalton and that Bengals offense.
Brian Billick?
November 28th, 2011 at 7:26 pm
Bring in Bill Cowher, and draft Trent Richardson. Hello superbowl.
November 28th, 2011 at 7:32 pm
Mike tomlin he is not. But he is good con-man he nearly had one owner fooled and the glazers jumped. Stas are for losers lol
November 28th, 2011 at 7:40 pm
Good post Joe. It’s easy to hire a coaching dud. I still think Raheem “gets it” and has a bright future. Chances are that we’ll get a downgrade if we replace him. What we need is new coordinators on both sides of the ball. I don’t want brilliance, just competence. It’s not hard to commit to running the ball and avoid obvious quick screens to Benn. On defense I’d prefer a switch to a 3-4 sooner than later, but if not then we should keep Raheem and just get upgrades at OLB and CB.
November 28th, 2011 at 7:40 pm
It doesn’t matter. Bottom line is he is doing a poor job. He ought to go. Just because the next coach might suck doesn’t mean you don’t get rid of the one you know sucks.
It pains me to type that, but it is time to move on.
November 28th, 2011 at 7:41 pm
Brain, switch to a 3-4 after just drafting an entire 4-3 d-line? That is crazy.
November 28th, 2011 at 7:42 pm
The run defense has been pathetic for over 3 years now. The defense as a whole hasn’t been good since it got gutted in Carolina on Monday night. Even the fans who want Rah to succeed (which I am one), find it very difficult to bring him back in his current roles.
November 28th, 2011 at 7:50 pm
Just get a coach that will get rid of EJ BIGGERS, he sucks
November 28th, 2011 at 7:53 pm
@Trox
When our run defense has been at the bottom of the league for 3 years now, why should we be confident that it’ll be better next year? Even if it’s better, it won’t be much better. Seeing how sadly low the standards are around this team, they’ll be happy probably with just moving up to 25th in rush defense.
I’m not confident at all. Price and McCoy can’t ever stay healthy. Bowers is talented but his knee is always going to be a huge question mark. We saw the red flags before we drafted him. Clayborn is really the only one on the line that’s proven anything. I think he’ll be a great player at least.
The thing that matters in this league is winning, and this team is not doing that right now. Four straight years of no playoffs, three straight under Rah/Dom. That is unacceptable.
November 28th, 2011 at 7:54 pm
The only coaching candidate I’d really be interested in is Andy Reid.
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The same Andy who has one of the best run games and refuses to run the ball? Yeah, we’ll love that here. God I hope the Glazers internet is down
November 28th, 2011 at 8:07 pm
I’d take Jeff Fisher . His teams were at least well-disciplined , physical , and competitive on a regular basis. That alone makes him a step up from Mushmouth.
November 28th, 2011 at 8:08 pm
@Patrick
I believe you read my earlier post wrong. I tend to believe change is needed. However, I do feel there is some talent on the d-line. I think there is a nice nucleus at DE. The DTs, there are medical concerns, no doubt can’t disagree.
I believe Rah’s greatest downfall is the inability to keep players accountable. Too many bad penalties, missed assignments on both sides of the ball. I think the next coach has to be much more of a hardliner in the mold of a Parcells or Coughlin. Better to be respected and win, then loved and average at best.
November 28th, 2011 at 8:10 pm
Rah rah didnt charm the pants off Pat Bowlen, he hired Josh McDaniels over him lol. Rah was the rooney rule interview and nothing more. The bucs hired rah rah bc he took the job for pennies on the dollar which gave them the freedom to eat grudens salary if they haf to. Period.
This has been a disaster of near epic proportions. The few of you remaining sheep that argue patience and it takes time and all of this nonsense are fools. In year 1 that argument holds true and you get a pass, if you stink at the end of year 3, you have failed. The NFL is full of one year turnarounds. Look at the niners, they had some talent but werent disciplined or consistent, they brought in a qualified coach and improved immensely in 1 year.
Bring on Jeff Fisher. He will whip these players into shape and win games in the process. He did lose his 1 super bowl by a 1/2 yard but made that team a “lasting contender” for more than a decade.
Rah has made this team “a lasting contender for third place in the south.”
November 28th, 2011 at 8:10 pm
Brain wrote: “Good post Joe. It’s easy to hire a coaching dud. I still think Raheem “gets it” and has a bright future. Chances are that we’ll get a downgrade if we replace him. What we need is new coordinators on both sides of the ball. I don’t want brilliance, just competence. It’s not hard to commit to running the ball and avoid obvious quick screens to Benn. On defense I’d prefer a switch to a 3-4 sooner than later, but if not then we should keep Raheem and just get upgrades at OLB and CB.”
REALLY? Chances are we get a downgrade? It really can’t get much worse than it is right now, unless you want to go back to Raheem’s first season of 3-13. Plus Brain wants to jetison GMC, Price, Haynesworth, Clayborn and Bowers so the BUCS can go to a 3-4?
Brain you obvious picked a nickname that is anathema to your true self.
Why would Jeff Fischer be a downgrade? How about Andy Reid?
November 28th, 2011 at 8:12 pm
@Trox
Nah man. I agreed with your entire post. Maybe I just confused you a little on my comment.
November 28th, 2011 at 8:18 pm
SteveK:
Would that be the same Bill Cowher who couldn’t get to a Super Bowl with Jerome Bettis in his prime?
November 28th, 2011 at 8:22 pm
Clay is earning my respect, Price too before this injury Sunday. I believe that Bowers is a talent but raw and they need to stop babying him. McCoy is the biggest avoidable mistake that this org made in the draft. It also exposes how foolish rah/dom can be.
Mccoy has very good get-off and athleticism for a tackle, no doubt. However, even in college he showed that he is not strong, doesnt like contact and as a result was not productive at all despite his gifts. This was a HUGE red flag in combination with his poor strength measurables at the combine – made it DUMB to draft him
#3 and give him a 50 million contract with 30 guaranteed. He was a small upside huge downside player. I think they knew it which is why they took an identical player in Price a round later. Price has shown me that he is more complete and valuable.
Albert is a beast, if focused he does what he wants, but next year will ve his 12th.
As for Mccoy, the story isnt over, I predict that he will have 1 good year in the league – that last year of his original deal so he can earn one more contract before retiring – probably and hopefully from another team.
November 28th, 2011 at 8:24 pm
You stupid Bucs fans won’t know what you have until it’s gone. Half the teams in the league right now would be very grateful to have Raheem Morris. Plus, if you’re stupid enough to want him to be fired, you might as well cut Freeman, Blount, and Clayborn also because you obviously want the franchise to go back to the ways of 1976. Let me be the first to remind you that the Green Bay Packers in their 2nd or 3rd year of rebuilding with Aaron Rodgers (we all know how great he is), finished the season 7-9. Look where they are now. And by the way, “stupid Bucs fans” refers to EVERY ONE of you that are even thinking about firing Raheem Morris. Thank you and please, if you truly are a Tampa Bay Buccaneers fan that thought Morris should be fired, rethink you’re position on the team; and if you’re still convinced he should go, then get the hell out of here, you ARE NOT a real Buccaneers fan, or at least not one that knows anything about the game.
November 28th, 2011 at 8:36 pm
@Hunter
Aaron Rodgers with Green Bay:
2008: 6-10
2009: 11-5
2010: 10-6 (Super Bowl)
2011: Undefeated
What 7-9 year are you talking about?
And wow, they had ONE bad year. Doesn’t seem too painful of a rebuilding mode for them. Even in 2008 when they went 6-10, they played pretty good football and seven of their losses were by 4 points or less.
Not the same as our situation.
November 28th, 2011 at 8:37 pm
I agree with you Patrick. It’s no coincidence that McNabb was a million times better under Andy Reid, as is Michael Vick. Everyone always points to the Eagles struggles in the red zone, but that is a result of both of those QB’s are not very accurate. In the red zone, the field is condensed, so the Qb has to be able to make those throws. Vick and McNabb cannot. I believe Freeman is more accurate, and would THRIVE with Andy Reid. We may even be able to score a first quarter TD and put up 30 on people every now and then. Imagine that!
As for Fisher, I’m not too sure about that. He is pretty conservative, ala John Fox. They are both good coaches, but I’m not sure if you can really win a SB playing that style. I don’t know about you guys, but I’m kind of tired of 17-13 type scores. I know that’s been our style forever, but I’m ready for a change. We finally have some weapons on offense, why not use them? Even with a pretty crappy season, Freeman is still the best QB we’ve ever had. Who knows when we’ll ever get another good one, so I want to take advantage.
November 28th, 2011 at 8:38 pm
I just want a good defense again because that was my favorite part of being a Bucs fan..knowing we can crush really good offenses..Its painful to read Trox and Patricks post who said we are in bottom in rush defense..that doesnt make me comfortable with Cam newton deangelo and jon stewart coming to town..but Ill still watch the game and hope we can do something like find a positive
November 28th, 2011 at 8:41 pm
@Patrick: Ok, I’ll give you that, for some reason I thought they had a 7-9 season lol. But the point is our long-term plan is proven to work.
November 28th, 2011 at 8:51 pm
@shortybuc,
I would love a great defense too, but in today’s NFL, it’s very hard to dominate on defense. The rules of the game lean so heavily towards offense that you have to be able to score points in order to keep up. Good defenses get punished more than celebrated nowadays (see Pittsburgh and Baltimore with all their fines). The NFL just isn’t what it used to be, so I think we have to adapt a little and be able to score some points.
November 28th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
THIS TEAM NEEDS VETS….name me a team who won a super bowl as the youngest team in the league, no need to even look it up because it has never been done. (im pretty sure) And we need more than just one kind of vet, we need a veteran coaching staff as well. Now im not saying fire RAH im saying keep him and surround him with veteran coordinators just as we want to surround this young nucleus of players with veteran players.
QB – Bring in a Vet who can help Freeman
RB – No need for a vet here Blount is fine but need to add two more RB this year with speed to back him up
FB – I like Lorig but it seems every year there is FB who has blocked for a leading rusher in his past on the market, go get one next year
WR – Williams and Parker are the only ones I would guarantee a roster spot to next year
TE – We have a vet who acts like a child at times, needs to clean up his act and not commit foolish penalties thats the stuff rookies are suppose to do
Oline – Not a fan of faine but center is not a priority, if we have the chance upgrade LG or RT, however oline has been playing very good this year, several sacks have been freemans fault and their still not giving many up
DE – Good combo of clayborn/bowers/bennett/crowder
DT – Mccoy and price, bring back hanysnworth, and take a shot on a vet, possibly a 3-4 defensive end who’s primary job throughout his career has been to stop the run, most 3-4 ends can play tackle in a 4-3, plus bring back okam for depth
MLB- Foster will learn, but possibly bring someone in here and kick him out to OLB if not its fine. wouldnt hurt to get a better back up than hayward, would love to see some size at linebacker.
OLB – gotta cut hayes and black, if not maybe keep one for a backup role, i think we either draft LInebacker or corner depending on who is there in the draft. love to get TEO and kick foster to this position, if not get anybody who can blow up the run, also get a veteran OLB with starting experience
CB – A vet and a Rookie for sure, ronde is done and aqib has one more year left to prove himself, biggers is decent as a nickel nothing else as of now
FS- we have tanard who i think with a full year of camp he will back to his old self, plus we have grimm.
SS- Jones , gotta go he has been playing bad lately and just doesnt make plays he has 0 int since he has been here, ray ray armstrong looks good to me if he comes out big physical presence who plays for the U.
KR/PR – Joe adams or somebody like him would love to have a cb or wr who can play defense or offense as well as bring some speed big play potential
mix a few vets in along with some veteran coaches who know what there doing and i think we can compete
November 28th, 2011 at 9:03 pm
I don’t understand………..Lumpkin is horrible and is not going to do any better. If he was cut tomorrow, he’d be out of the NFL. Dominick basically just gave him a roster spot.
Why didn’t they give Chad Spann a shot instead of cutting him? How can he be any worse than Lumpkin? Type him into youtube……..there’s some sick highlight videos of him.
Mossis Madu can’t be any worse either. But no Lumpkin Pumpkin is Dom’s guy.
November 28th, 2011 at 9:03 pm
I am really skeptical as to whether the Glazers will do anything to venture off the course of their fraudulent plan to build a lasting contender. Rah was still spouting the company line on his show this afternoon about the plan and the teams commitment to it while acknowledging that he knows there are those that disagree with it. Sure didn’t sound to me like change is in the air over there at one Buc. Sounded to me like someone who knows,already, that the owners have his back. The thought of more of the same next year is a nauseating prospect.
November 28th, 2011 at 9:21 pm
doesnt he HAVE to make some type of change, i didn’t hear the interview but obviously something has to change right. even if you look at what i said earlier its not that many additions, and whats wrong with adding a 27 year old vet who has a little playing time under his belt. So many teams in the past have done it and that player turns out to be a three time pro bowler with the new team. We need to get some guys on this team who want it. A lot of the players here have no competition they were simply handed jobs. Why is dekoda watson not starting he could push the OLBs things like this make my mind boggle
November 28th, 2011 at 9:42 pm
thomas 2.2 Says:
November 28th, 2011 at 8:10 pm
Rah rah didnt charm the pants off Pat Bowlen, he hired Josh McDaniels over him lol. Rah was the rooney rule interview and nothing more. The bucs hired rah rah bc he took the job for pennies on the dollar which gave them the freedom to eat grudens salary if they haf to. Period.
This has been a disaster of near epic proportions. The few of you remaining sheep that argue patience and it takes time and all of this nonsense are fools. In year 1 that argument holds true and you get a pass, if you stink at the end of year 3, you have failed. The NFL is full of one year turnarounds. Look at the niners, they had some talent but werent disciplined or consistent, they brought in a qualified coach and improved immensely in 1 year.
Bring on Jeff Fisher. He will whip these players into shape and win games in the process. He did lose his 1 super bowl by a 1/2 yard but made that team a “lasting contender” for more than a decade.
Rah has made this team “a lasting contender for third place in the south.”
I wholeheartedly AGREE on every point Thomas2.2 makes here!
November 28th, 2011 at 9:45 pm
It would be a mistake to get rid of Raheem. This team isn’t that far away but the few things that need to be fixed are in dire need. Problem #1 is Greg Olson. #2 is Lumpkin. #3 is LB’s. If Raheem would hire a DC, he could focus more on the offense and the 3’rd down suckiness.
November 28th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
Joe would actualy take Rah over Bill Cowher?
Thats scarier than the “beasts” dom has drafted
November 28th, 2011 at 10:21 pm
If we finish w 6 wins or less could the Glazers consider another dance with the devil and make a splash play for the “Big Tarpon”? Try yet again to hook the hump like a snowhill and finally land the Ahi Tuna – Darth Parcells? Jettison the entire Rah-gime including Mark Dominique and put the big boy pants back on? Fatty to run the show from the ivory tower and another made Soprano, Big Puss type-clone to patrol the RJS sidelines? Wouldn’t put it past them to make a call and at least closet whispers start to surface. #Medicare
November 28th, 2011 at 10:25 pm
BILL COWHER IS NOT COMING TO TAMPA, REGARDLESS. I don’t know what has led you to believe it’s happening, but it’s not. I don’t even think he’s coming back to coaching at all, but it’s not going to be Tampa. He’s going to want to go into a SB-ready team, and that is not exactly us right now. Why continue to talk about something that’s not going to happen. My wife wants me to watch “The Bachelor” with her, but it’s not going to happen, so she doesn’t continue to talk about it over and over. Get over it, move on. (And Gruden’s not coming back either).
November 28th, 2011 at 10:42 pm
when did i say he was coming hawaiian?
i was only commenting on joe dissing the guy and i can only conclude that he would take raheem over cowhergiven the choice.
but i dont think its impossible. cowher said a lot of good things about josh. why wouldnt he think he can win here? good stud running back similar to the bus. veteran oline.
did anyone predict gruden would be hired in 2002?
how do u know what Bill Cowher thinks about the bucs. all i hear is folks talking about how talented we are. maybe Cowher agrees?
November 28th, 2011 at 11:00 pm
You keep bringing up his name. If he’s not coming here, why even mention him? I don’t consider what Joe said “dissing him”, just stating a fact. He was graced with an extremely patient owner and fan base, something Tampa lacks in both areas (please don’t try to tell me I’m wrong – I lived in Tampa and know exactly what I’m talking about). As soon as he loses 3 in a row, everyone will be screaming that the game has passed him by. Please try to deny that!
Gruden says a lot of good things about Josh too, does that mean he’s coming back? You can ask every single fan, player, media, and coach outside of Tampa, and not one will say we are overly talented. We have potential, no doubt, but a big time coach like Cowher would be much more likely to go with proven talent. Do you think he would rather come to Tampa over the Philly job? Really? If so, you may want to get your head examined.
I have nothing against Cowher whatsoever. I met him a few years back at the Pro Bowl, and he couldn’t have been any nicer. He’s a very good coach, and if he did come here, I would be very happy. However, it’s just not going to happen. He’s Jimmy Johnson part 2. He’s been out of the league for so long, his name rarely even comes up anymore. He’s got a sweet gig on TV, and no real reason to come back. I get irritated when people continue to bring up his name, as if he is an option. That’s being an ignorant fan. Cowher may want 50 million, but I bet you would be all for paying him that because it’s not your money. And if the Glazers don’t want to pay him that much, that must mean they are cheap and don’t want to win.
November 28th, 2011 at 11:18 pm
oh yeah hawaiian those philliy fans are super duper! im sure cowher is chomping at the bit for that.
arent they 4 dash 7 too with andy reed coaching?
and im sure bill would love the diva oft injured vick.
nice lecture sir but your credibility is waning with those idiotic remarks
plus werent u the guy who said he couldnt wait for this
season to prove “clowns” like me wrong?
im waiting……..
November 28th, 2011 at 11:23 pm
Tampa will have a new head coach next year, bet on it.
The only question is WHO it is going to be.
Tony Dungy ????
Jeff Fisher
Marty Schottenheimer ?
Brian Bilfish ?
Jim Tressel
Andy Read
November 28th, 2011 at 11:30 pm
I believe Cowher wants to take over a winning team like Gruden did, not rebuild an entire franchise.
November 28th, 2011 at 11:33 pm
Is it possible we can Monte back?
November 28th, 2011 at 11:34 pm
eric:
I was just having fun with people who think Cowher is a second-coming. Half the city of Pittsburgh wanted to run the guy out of town like people here want to burn Raheem at the stake. When Cowher finally did leave, half of Pittsburgh threw a going away party.
November 28th, 2011 at 11:34 pm
Is it possible we can *get* Monte back?
November 28th, 2011 at 11:45 pm
Pierre Thomas and this team is 12-4…. That’s if “this team” is also the New Orleans Saints.
November 28th, 2011 at 11:49 pm
A coach’s decision to take or not take a job has nothing to do with the fans. That’s not what I said, but apparently comprehension is a problem for you. However, the sentiment of the fans can influence a firing. Tampa fans are much less patient, and they will give up on a guy after a couple bad games (look no further than Gruden). Philly fans are just arse holes that hate everyone.
Believe it or not, the rest of the country believes Philly is SB ready. Spin it however you choose, but it’s the truth. I’m not sure I even agree with it, bit the general consensus is they are ready. Besides, like I said, I don’t think he’s going anywhere, so it’s all irrelevant. But yeah, let’s go ahead and waste more time talking about it. While we are at it, why don’t we discuss bringing in Joe Paterno as well.
November 28th, 2011 at 11:53 pm
I’d rather be the guy hoping we had a great season over the guy that gloats when we don’t. So who again is the real fan (reply with the standard,”I’ve been a season ticket holder since 1956 and went to games in the snow, blah blah blah.”)?
November 29th, 2011 at 12:00 am
I wish I lived in a dream world like some of you guys, where all the top available coaches would be on their tiptoes begging to come coach for cheap owners in Tampa. The reality is that we’re probably gonna be looking at a crop of decent coordinators to replace Morris. I’m not buying that risk. I’ve always felt that you don’t just fire coaches, but you look for replacements and then make a move. The search should always happen before the firing. If a better coach presents himself (not Jeff Fisher, he’s coached for decades and hasn’t won a ring) then I’m game.
As for the 3-4 comment, look at the top defenses in the league. The 3-4 teams are proportionally much higher than the 4-3 teams. There are exceptions like the Bears (Lovie and Marinelli) but for the most part the league has evolved and necessitates attacking 3-4 defenses. Some of our current personnel won’t fit…big deal. We’ve been getting gashed on the ground for years and all these young studs that you’re whining about can’t anchor or make a play to stop the run, and some of them can’t stay healthy either. The Texans switched to a 3-4 after having the worst defense in the league and now they have one of the best defenses in the league. The conversion can happen fast if you hire the right guy and add a few key pieces.
You can attack me all you want for being progressive, but the fact of the matter is that you guys are stuck in the past. The 4-3 Cover 2 style of defense that was dominant for years is becoming extinct. We can have a decent-to-good defense if we have a ridiculous amount of talent, but is that necessary? 3-4 defenses only need a handful of stout linemen and some crafty linebackers to stop the run and pressure the QB. Our defense (like the Giants) requires 5+ athletic linemen and LBs that can play sideline to sideline and hit. I don’t see Warren Sapp, Derrick Brooks and Simeon Rice growing on trees around here.
Then again if we hire a competent OC and surround Freeman with playmakers we’ll be outscoring teams and winning our division in no time. One or the other would be nice….
November 29th, 2011 at 12:02 am
hawaiian
im the guy who wants a great coach so we can compete and get another ring.
whats wrong with that?
and who never sheepishly accepted the db coach and former kansas state dc as legit. me and about 50k other bucs fans.
time to stop wasting our freaking time with this guy.
November 29th, 2011 at 12:23 am
No, there’s nothing wrong with that at all. I do, however, think it’s pretty arrogant that you think you know what is best for this team. You aren’t a GM, a coach, an ex-player, a member of the media, a waterboy, or any other position that would qualify you as an expert.
Fact is, you were always a negative Nancy about Raheem. Nothing, aside from a SB in his first 3 years would please you. You are not alone by any means. That’s fine, it’s your right as a “fan”. But you aren’t an expert, and neither am I. Raheem has forgotten more football than any of us have ever known. That is a fact, even though I’m sure you will make a joke about it. I have been very disappointed with the team this year, especially with their lack of effort on certain games. As a result, I can’t honestly say I think Raheem deserves another year. I’m just not so sure he deserves all of the blame for it. I truly believe that no coach could take this current team (as constructed) to the SB. However, he is the coach, and that does come with the territory. But I will NEVER, EVER, gloat about us losing, or someone who works his arse off for this team getting fired.
November 29th, 2011 at 12:27 am
HawaiianBuc Said “But yeah, let’s go ahead and waste more time talking about it. While we are at it, why don’t we discuss bringing in Joe Paterno as well.”
[Don’t go there man. — Joe]
November 29th, 2011 at 12:41 am
Tony Dungy ???? No way.
Jeff Fisher Meh.
Marty Schottenheimer ? DEAR GOD NNNOOO!!!
Brian Bilfish ? Who?
Jim Tressel LOL!!!
Andy Read Who?
To sum up this comment, lay off the bourbon people.
November 29th, 2011 at 12:42 am
if we all have to qualify as experts on here to comment joe i in serious trouble. might as well close down this thing if thats the case.
for an opinionated guy like yourself your strangly intolerant of other opinions.
what im hearing is we suck so bad that a guy like cowher wouldnt even consider us. i disagree.
hell the glazers went after parcells twice and even offered steve
spurrior the job once.
maybe they are disgusted also?
and mr hawaiian if im not a buc fan why am i posting at midnight ?
November 29th, 2011 at 12:53 am
eric:
Not true. I have no problem with people playing “Let’s get X coach.” But whenever someone does, I have to think both why would the Bucs want said coach, and why the guy would want to coach the Bucs.
Jim Tressel, seriously? Come on. 🙂
As for Cowher, hey, if Morris was jettisoned, I have no problem with Cowher coming here but he would gut the team to rebuild it (it’s now a 43 defense and Cowher runs a 34) which means even more years of losing. Though I think Cowher is a good coach, I can’t help but remember how he got a grand total of one Super Bowl in how many years? And I have a lot of friends in Pittsburgh that wanted to hang the guy from the closest tree in Point State Park. While we Bucs fans may think Cowher is so great, others have a very different view and I find that funny as hell.
When someone earlier said Trent Richardson and Cowher = Super Bowl, I had to laugh. Cowher had a Hall of Fame running back and not until the guy was literally on his last legs and a second team player did Cowher get to a Super Bowl with him, so all of a sudden a rookie who never touched a ball in the NFL will lead the Bucs to a Super Bowl with Cowher as a coach? Based on what exactly? LOL
Joe has to keep one foot in sobriety now and then, you know? 🙂
November 29th, 2011 at 1:01 am
[Don’t go there man. — Joe]
November 29th, 2011 at 1:04 am
My bad Joe, I was just to take it back after I saw your displeasure with the Joe Paterno comment above lol.
November 29th, 2011 at 1:08 am
Yeah, no need to turn the thread into an R-rated free-for-all.
November 29th, 2011 at 1:09 am
I don’t think you are grasping the concept Eric. You certainly don’t have to be an expert to post here. I’ve always said I have very little football knowledge, as I never played it beyond elementary school (way too violent for my taste). However, I just don’t like it when people claim to have all the answers, as you do. Firing Raheem may be the answer, but it may not. You are no more qualified than me to answer that. I assume you never miss a game, and I get my butt up at the arse crack of dawn (games start at 7am here) to watch every single game. Thats all we have, and it isn’t much.
You’ve done nothing but post negative and sarcastic remarks ever since Raheem got here. That’s not right. I’m sure you are a fan, but in my opinion, not a very good one. You’ve had zero support from day one. And now you want to gloat about us losing. I hope I never stoop to that level.
November 29th, 2011 at 1:14 am
Overall, I’ve noticed the deleted comments have been on the rise the past few days lol.
November 29th, 2011 at 1:15 am
guess the losing is really getting to us 🙂
November 29th, 2011 at 1:27 am
joe
i was addressing hawaiian buc not you.
sorry.
didnt make it clear.
anyhow let us naive fools have our cowher fantasy. what the hell it beats reality. i know its a damn pipe dream.
November 29th, 2011 at 1:30 am
@eric
If Cowher comes here, we have to change defensive schemes. No more Tampa 2. It’ll be even worse than what’s going on now. He’ll have to gut our entire team.
November 29th, 2011 at 1:31 am
Eric:
You never know man.
November 29th, 2011 at 1:49 am
Don’t worry, I’m sure Eric will be willing to wait years for Cowher to build a winner, as long as it’s his guy.
November 29th, 2011 at 3:51 am
Oh it’s hard finding a competent coach to make under-payed NFL players who might also be under-talented NFL players win NFL football games?
Wow! Who’d of thought!?!
Browns, Bengals, Chiefs, Jaguars, Bills, BUCCANEERS…
You know what those teams have in common?
None of them have won a meaningful playoff game in YEARS! None of them have a coach that you can say “this guy is going to win the big one someday!” None of them pay their talent when the time comes.
Want to know what else they have in common?
They are all an easy win for every other team on the schedule.
November 29th, 2011 at 7:49 am
Grass is always greener, but….
I don’t think that the Glazer’s would fire Morris without someone else in mind. I also don’t think that the Glazer’s would hire a Josh McDaniels type after canning Morris.
November 29th, 2011 at 8:47 am
@Fear the Glo- Jon Gruden did that every year he was here after Malcolm’s stroke and the 3 Sons took over!
@Hawaiian- For someone that berates Eric for his posts you sure act like you are a professional forecaster for the NFL. Eric is very guarded with his comments. some of us are not. The Glazers had no business hiring Morris because he was nothing but an ass’t. DB coach and that is all the experience that he had to begin with. Unless, of course, you want to claim the week of his promotion to DC before his being hired as HC. His interview with Denver was under the Rooney Rule, which the Glazers didn’t ever bother complying with before hiring Morris for peanuts. Morris needs to go period. And any “experienced” HC would be an improvement over what we currently have with the amateur. At least Cowher would bring fans back to the stadium. So would Fisher! If they keep Morris, it will look like a ghost town in the stadium next year. And that is a fact you can’t deny!
November 29th, 2011 at 9:08 am
@ glo
What home grown talent have the bucs let go?
November 29th, 2011 at 9:14 am
I still believe most of the players have potential with Coach Morris. If they end up firing Raheem, I won’t complain, but they have to find the right person to replace him. If the Blame Game is the Name right now, the arrow should be pointing at Mark Dominick. Sure I can’t stand Ruud but Raheem always praised Ruud and wanted him back, or least what he said. Raheem also praised Cadi and same thing happened. Raheem praises Quincy Black, kind of a head scratcher there, but Dom was the one that gave him big money. Why is Roy Miller still on the team? Why is Greg Olson still calling plays and making a mockery of 3’rd down? It all just looks to be growing pains and you can’t win them all. I think they both will get a pass this season from the Glazers, but next year they have to find a way to win the Division and return to a Playoff Team.
November 29th, 2011 at 9:38 am
Cowher made 10 playoffs, 6 afc championship games, 2 super bowls with one win, and the Steelers had the best record of all teams in the nfl during his tenure. Wow!
And for rah, he made up the word “youngry” during his 3 year tenure.
November 29th, 2011 at 9:39 am
Joe, you mock Cowher’s resume.
November 29th, 2011 at 9:47 am
Unfortunately, you’re right Thomas. Cowher’s resume and reputation is so bright, he would never come to Tampa Bay – the franchise where coaches come to die. It is no secret, he covets the Giants and just may get his wish this year!
November 29th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
@Tampa2 “The Glazers had no business hiring Morris because he was nothing but an ass’t. DB coach and that is all the experience that he had to begin with.” Where the heck do you think head coaches come from…the head coach fairy??? The come from asst coaches moving up the ranks. Some work out and some don’t but that was a pretty lame post.
November 29th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
Tampa 2,
Is reading a problem for you? Where in any of my posts have I said I’m an expert? Where have I said I know what we should do? Read slow, maybe that will help.
So the Glazers didn’t bother complying with the Rooney Rule before hiring Morris? I’m not sure if you noticed, but Morris is black. They didn’t just comply with it, they hired him!!!! Maybe you should take a second to look up the Rooney Rule before you make an idiot out of yourself.
November 29th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
LOL!
November 29th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
“Cowher made 10 playoffs, 6 afc championship games, 2 super bowls with one win, and the Steelers had the best record of all teams in the nfl during his tenure. Wow!
And for rah, he made up the word “youngry” during his 3 year tenure.”
So Thomas, if it were Raheem you’re telling me you’d be OK with him taking the Bucs to 10 playoffs but only winning 1 SuperBowl??? I don’t think so. You’d be screaming about what a loser he was and how we need someone to ‘get us to the next level’. We went through that with Dungy so that record has already been played. Let’s face it, when you’re a complainer like yourself, Eric, and others…a 4-7 record is heaven. Enjoy it!