Texans 37, Bucs 9
November 13th, 2011
Yugly!
Why are the Bucs are so much worse than they were last year? Even the most positive-thinking Bucs fan must be wondering. And make no mistake, there’s been a significant dropoff, underscored by the complete beating at the hands of the Texans at home today.
The Bucs started slowly again. Their tackling was horrid. They continue to get gashed in the running game repeatedly. They don’t catch sure interceptions. Albert Haynesworth wasn’t a liability, at least not as much as the linebackers that just aren’t shedding blocks. Quincy Black and Mason Foster combined for six tackles, most of Black’s in garbage time.
And the offense? Well, it’s simply impotent at this point, even with the high-priced offensive line healthy and on the field.
CBS analyst Rich Gannon skewered the Bucs through the broadcast, saying the Bucs’ offense didn’t look good in practice Friday, Josh Freeman isn’t sharp (practice and game), and he called out Mike Williams and Arrellious Benn for losing battles downfield repeatedly.
What’s particularly heinous for Joe is the Bucs’ lame efforts this week and last after a bye week, plus the fact that there really isn’t a glimmer of hope anywhere. The coaching isn’t getting through, or the coaching is getting outcoached repeatedly.
Next up? The undefeated Green Bay Packers on the frozen tundra. … Joe suggests stockpiling painkillers.
November 13th, 2011 at 5:10 pm
please fire raheem what a joke he is as a nfl head coach
November 13th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
I just don’t understand it anymore. Period.
November 13th, 2011 at 5:12 pm
So Joe, do you think Raheem and Dom should be on the hot seat right now?
November 13th, 2011 at 5:12 pm
Pathetic. Again.
November 13th, 2011 at 5:13 pm
This season is shot. Please Dom do something proactive and look to the future. I know firing Ollie will not help this year; and we’l probably be even worse. But we will never see our potential reached under Olson. Please Rah or Dom grow a set and make a move. Shake this team up NOW! Our season is a lost cause with GB next week, lets start looking to the future.
November 13th, 2011 at 5:14 pm
I’m fed up with waiting for this team to be consistently good. How did we win 10 last year? This team is garbage.
November 13th, 2011 at 5:15 pm
fourth and 2 – fade route
third and 6 – check down for 3 yards
November 13th, 2011 at 5:16 pm
The team quit, and they did not quit is 2009 or 2010, I think they are not buying into the system anymore. If the Pack blows them out we may see some in season moves. I would not put it passed the Glasers to can Olsen and/or Morris. This game was a joke at home.
November 13th, 2011 at 5:16 pm
Joe here,
@Patrick — All depends how you define hot seat, but Raheem ain’t there yet. If they manage to win 8, he’ll be breathing very easy.
November 13th, 2011 at 5:17 pm
@FreemanBomb5
I don’t even know if we should bring Raheem and Dom back. They constantly crave the same mediocre players on our team (Black, Hayes), and never improve our team through free agency where it’s needed.
Hell, I don’t even know whether we should praise Dom as a drafter anymore because his picks sure aren’t making an impact!
But is it them or the coaching?
This is what happens when you have a bad team and a dysfunctional organization. Too many questions have to be asked!
November 13th, 2011 at 5:18 pm
no more kool-aid for me….thanks
November 13th, 2011 at 5:18 pm
Joe, I am not sure they can win 8!
November 13th, 2011 at 5:20 pm
The way they’ve been playing, we have to start asking if they’ll win AGAIN.
November 13th, 2011 at 5:20 pm
Joe here,
@Patrick — All depends how you define hot seat, but Raheem ain’t there yet. If they manage to win 8, he’ll be breathing very easy.
obviously Joe has gotten into “the painkillers”….
November 13th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
Remaining schedule:
Packers- loss
Titans- maybe we have a chance
Jaguars-win
Panthers-we’ll win one against them. if we’re lucky.
Cowboys-loss
Falcons-loss
I see a 7-9 record at best. Realistically 6-10.
November 13th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
@ Patrick,
Hey does your last name start with an N? If so been awhile but obviously we don’t have much good to talk about. Agree with you that as of now what studs have we picked in the draft? Freeman leads the league in picks, Roy Miller sucks, Myron Lewis sucks, Stocker has done nothing, Rejus has been a disappointment in my eyes (although he does flash periodically) GMC looks good but injury prone, Price injury prone, Clayborn at least plays with heart… and we re sign Black, Trueblood, while letting go of Caddy and Ruud… I hated Ruud and prefer Foster but yeah I agree Dom hasn’t quite been living up to the Rockstar name
November 13th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
So many people overreacting. We need better offensive weapons. And our defensive needs to be disciplined. This season isn’t over, a lot can happen, we will just have to see if anyone steps up in this adversity, or if we may find ourselves picking in the top 10.
November 13th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
Lets talk next years draft…
6-10 gives us a possibility of Blackmon, Jefferey, Richardson most likely with all the high ranked QBs… Now I don’t think if we pick that high we should go tackle, but Burfict and Claiborne are the two guys I wanted when I thought we would pick in the late teens early twenties.. It now looks like we might pick early teens to (gulp) close to 10th
November 13th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
I’m a huge supporter of this team (and will continue to be), but this game was a joke. There is not one area or position that we look even decent at, and blame must be spread around everywhere, starting with the coaching. Offensively, we are absolutely horrible. I find myself jumping up and down with just a simple first down, just because they are so rare. Defensively, I think I could rush for 100 yards against this defense, and I could probably pass for 300. I find myself terrified every time the other team has the ball. There seems to be no creativity on either side of the ball, just more of the same (which is nothing). You can tell the players are starting to lose hope (if they haven’t already), and it appears as if their effort is severely lacking.
As for the talent, there’s just not enough. All of our receivers are virtually the same-big, slow, and questionable in the hands department. We have ZERO speed on offense. Our LB’s are invisible, our safeties are great at dodging offensive players, and our corners can’t even get an interception when they catch the ball from the QB (that was a ridiculous call by the way – still don’t get it, but it’s just the way it goes for us). Freeman’s accuracy is so bad I think I could beat him at the football toss game. Our running backs look like they are moving in slow motion. I also worry that our best player (our punter) is going to hurt himself from all the punting he has to perform. And to top it all off, the few times when we do actually do something good, you can just about guarantee there will be yellow laundry on the field. However, if we can actually fix all those problems, we should be okay.
November 13th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
Patrick cc: Joe, What have you seen from this team that makes you think we can win another game this year?
November 13th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
Brian Price on the post game show,
said it is good to have a veteran on the line to hear their advice.
Talking about Haynesworth.
Really…
November 13th, 2011 at 5:31 pm
Ok so Packers are gonna smash us. Jaguars is a maybe, Falcons are a much better team than they were earlier in the season so that is most likely a loss. Cowboys can go either way and I say we beat the panthers once and lose once. And for the Titans that could also go either way. Does not look good from here on out for the Bucs. This team is making it really hard to keep watching every Sunday instead of making money like I could be. Wtf!
November 13th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
The coaching is terrible.
The owners need to do a wake up call. This team is in bad shape especially after today. The media is going to tear this team apart. The lack of discipline alone is enough to rip this team a new one.
November 13th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
Fugly!
November 13th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
TJ Rives has got a tough job today.
Sad Locker Room
November 13th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
Raheem needs to resign. He is youless. Young clueless
November 13th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
how can you argue against free agency when your best player is the punter that you picked up in the prior off season ?
November 13th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
TJ will sugar coat it.
November 13th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
Disgusting. Break out the Creamsicles for the remainder of the season. Seriously, if they’re going to be historically bad, do it in orange. Take off the loafers and put on the barn boots.
November 13th, 2011 at 5:38 pm
Predictions:
Packers 52 Bucs 13
November 13th, 2011 at 5:38 pm
k1ngAdroc
and the best defensive player was a free agent that you just picked up this week
November 13th, 2011 at 5:39 pm
They did nothing this offseason to get better, period.
This Albert Haynesworth signing proved one thing to me….this organization doesn’t care about youth, or character, or growing a team together or any of the other excuses we’ve heard. They care about money. Nothing else.
I was a critic of how this team handled the offseason but I kept my mouth shut all year long and rooted for the team regardless….which I will continue to do. But this team would be better with Jonathon Joseph, Carlos Rogers, or Nnamdi Asomugha on it. They would be better with Darren Sproles (and don’t give me that lame ass Duemig line about Sproles’ cousin already being on the Saints…..money talks.). They would be better with Ahmad Bradshaw, Eric Weddle or Vontae Leach. I’m not saying all of them….I’m saying why not make a run? Well, now I think we know the reason why
November 13th, 2011 at 5:40 pm
Maybe the Glasers will try to hire Parcells again. LOL
November 13th, 2011 at 5:41 pm
Raheem is taking all the blame…
Right or wrong?
November 13th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
Raheem should take a very large portion of it.
November 13th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
I know everyone calling for olden to go but Raheem has to give up his “defensive cap” too
November 13th, 2011 at 5:43 pm
CBH – I agree with you 1000% lack of commitment to the fans to put the best possible product on the field. I’m a season tx holder but i understand why many have let them go
November 13th, 2011 at 5:43 pm
@Hammock: Jonathan Joseph was a no brainer. I was reserving judgement as well, but it’s pretty clear now.
November 13th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
Glasers were cheap with this team when they hired Raheem. And have been cheap SOB’s ever since.
November 13th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
so was sproles
November 13th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
Dominik too…
he is the reason that the team is the Young in the Youngry
November 13th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
If Raheem didn’t take the blame (right or wrong), I would lose a lot of respect for him. That’s what a head coach should do after a dreadful performance like this. I almost feel like the Bucs organization should issue an apology letter for all the fans that actually watched this game. Truly disgraceful.
November 13th, 2011 at 5:49 pm
What about Joe???
November 13th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
Joe,
What you are seeing is the 2010 bucs. They were exactly this team last year, they just caught a soft schedule, every imaginable break and established a little confidence as a result.
If you dont think rah is on the hot seat, then you are on more than pain killers. Blown out by SF- rah plays the west coast trip card, basically a blow out by Chicago – rah plays the injury / travel excuse. Thumped by NO (saints got conservative) after a bye = no excuses; Blown out at home by the Texans minus their 2 best players – team quits after the first play.
Finally, nobody in the seats in the second half, even Hawaiian has now admitted this is a disaster.
3 seasons into a “so-called rebuild and we are no better than 2009.” hell, defensively Jim Bates defense was statistcally much better. Lack of discipline, embarrassing game planning (kubiak new foolish rah would load up on the run first play so he scripted that play pass rollout on the first play).
This is the worst coached team Ive seen at this level. The public has rejected this Joe.
November 13th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
@CC
Bill Parcells is 70 years old. I’d love to have him as the HC here, but he’s too old.
November 13th, 2011 at 5:53 pm
Patrick, and no coach has won a SB with two teams. We need someones really good OC or DC.
November 13th, 2011 at 5:54 pm
Capt Tim is right…Our LBs suck! AH was one of the only bright spots.
November 13th, 2011 at 5:55 pm
Lets see Dom drafts sucks + No Discipline RHeem+ No offense Olson= A Big stinking mess, Time to make changes glazers or do you think we will buy into your stupid plan speech again. Pathetic doesnt event start to discribe this, and please dont fool yourselves thinking it will get better, you have no coaching and little if any talent, no where to go but further down, as in the ship is sinking!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 13th, 2011 at 5:57 pm
I would take Clyde Christiansen or Les Steckel as head coach right now. We may do better with no head coach at all. Lets let josh call the offensive plays and ronde the defensive plays.
They dont practice anyway – so who cares about practice.
November 13th, 2011 at 5:57 pm
Thomas:
Joe is not on painkillers but he is on antibiotics.
Joe truly believes Rah is safe this year. Now whether Team Glazer wants to make a move after the season, that’s anyone’s guess but Joe truly believes Morris will be around for a fourth season.
As Joe has written before, provided the Bucs don’t make the playoffs this year — right now that’s a pretty safe bet — next season will be a critical season for Morris’ long-term plans with the Bucs.
The Bucs are in a youth movement which doesn’t happen over night. In some ways, last year may have set very unfair expectations.
November 13th, 2011 at 5:58 pm
This team will win 1 more game this season. Raheem is done. Watching this is painful but it’ll be worth it to see this staff gone. And cut Sean Jones too. He sucks.
November 13th, 2011 at 6:00 pm
Turned the game off at halftime.
Season’s over. The offensive playcalling was embarassingly bad as usual. The defense tackled like a flag football team. There were absolutely zero positives that I could find from this game…just like last week, and the week before, etc.
I would join the chorus of thousands for getting a new coach but the list I found isn’t really exciting and it includes Olie (lmao) : http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-cole_2012_nfl_coaching_candidates_111011
November 13th, 2011 at 6:00 pm
Thomas,
While I admit coaching was horrible, I think there may be a lot more to it. I just don’t see the players in place to win a lot of games right now. I don’t think Raheem is able to make our players faster. However, it’s really hard for me to argue that some pretty drastic changes need to be made. Unlike you, I do not take pleasure in making those declarations.
November 13th, 2011 at 6:03 pm
I still believe we have a ton of talent. Coaches gotta go. And I mean all coaches. We went from getting there to sucking to garbage to putrid all in 9 games. I fully expect to get shut out next week. By atleast 50 points. GOOO YUCS!!!
November 13th, 2011 at 6:05 pm
My new rule is to stop watching when they are down by 21 or more. Three games in a row…How sad is that?
They aren’t just losing they are getting beaten. Badly.
November 13th, 2011 at 6:08 pm
Our defense is garbage……..If were going to have a zero productive offense then we need to have a solid defense. Our defense cant stop anyone whenever the other team throws im nervous…..whenever the other team runs the ball im nervous………im sorry rah but you cant coach defence and be a head coach dom hire a defensive coordinator.
November 13th, 2011 at 6:09 pm
Altering a quote from the movie “The Program”… “Fire everybody, let the paramedics sort em’ out”.
November 13th, 2011 at 6:12 pm
@FIRE RAH
“I still believe we have a ton of talent.”
Where? Name the guys we have on this team who are at the top 5, 10 or even 15 in the NFL at their position.
T Jax, Penn…and that’s it. We’ve got an East-West Shrine Bowl roster.
November 13th, 2011 at 6:12 pm
Im not buying into this we lack talent argument, we have the same talent we had when we were winning games.The problem is the talent we have is not playing up to it’s potential. This is a coaching problem, this team can play better and has played better, yet they continue to regress. Mentally they no longer think they are a good team. Plus Rah is starting to lose the team with his inconsistencies. You bench Blount for a personal foul, but you dont bench Aqib who has them on more than one occasion. You bench Geno Hayes and not Quincy Black. You allow your OC to make horrendous calls that put the offense in difficult situations, yet you never question your OC and put all the blame squareley on the players. Like I said before, I like Rah and in a few years he will be a great head coach, but he was promoted too soon. In the medical field you don’t go straight from college to performing brain surgery, you have to be an intern first so you can be prepared and to see if you have what it takes to to be able to perform under pressure. How can you expect a coach to compete with established coaches when he is still learning on the job. Joe is right the coaching staff needs a consultant.
November 13th, 2011 at 6:35 pm
Joe,
I agree that they will not fire him during the season, there is no obvious cheap replacement on staff, he makes too little money so inserting a name would cost money.
I mean that rah must be fired 1 day after week 17. Joe, this is the 3rd season of a rebuild, its not year 1. Rebuilding should take a max of 3 years and this team is no better than 2009. Do you really think Rah has any clue how to prepare this team? Gannon was echoing my point about how pathetic they practice?
The key is that the fan base is fed up and has rejected this fraud. If they want to ignite the fan base, bring in a real coach. Otherwise, you will get blown out by mediocre teams without their best players at home with 15k in the stands in the 2nd half.
November 13th, 2011 at 6:46 pm
The Talent is there but they are not being coached properly as well as we have no veterans in key spots to mentor the Young Talent. Think of Steve Young here. Noone to coach or mentor him either. This go young at all cost is rediculous. Look at the top 10 teams in the league. They have a solid mix of young players and veterans to mentor them. It’s all about coaching from all levels. We definitely need new coaches that come with new philosophies on winning and developing a team with a solid mix of players. Reminds me of 1976. Very few Good free agents wanted to come to TB or Seattle for that matter. So we built through the draft and took a couple of retread FA. You cannot be competitive in the NFL in its current state with nothing but 1rst, 2nd and 3rd year players. They dropped Caddy, dropped Ruud. Like those guys or not they provided leadership and were mentors to the younger players. I hope we do scour the list of coaches. I would be more willing to go with an up and coming coordinator or college coach than a retread former super bowl coach but anything would be better. Joe can go back and look through any comments I’ve posted over the years and see that I have never been a Rah or Olson fan.
November 13th, 2011 at 6:50 pm
Joe here,
@Thomas 2.2 Your persistent ramblings are very nice, but it all comes down to the final record. Everybody knows that. There is no hot seat right now. Joe would bet that Team Glazer expected an 8-8 or 9-7 season this year. Raheem will not get torched with an 8-8 record, and there’s plenty of room and weaker opponents to get that done. … Way to early to project at this point.
November 13th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
Raheem should do us all a favor and fire himself as Defensive Coordinator. This defense is worse than when Jim Bates was here and Rah Rah fired him. Take a look in the mirror you are outmatched week after week. And don’t get me started on Olsen, the offensive play calling is worse than when Clyde Christiansen was here and we all see how good he’s doing with the Colts.
The Glazerhouse boys need to sell this team to someone (EDDIE DEBARTOLO) who wants to win and let him bring in a real head coach and staff and is willing to spend on the roster to improve it. Because this team sucks right now.
November 13th, 2011 at 6:56 pm
@Buc The World
“we have the same talent we had when we were winning games.”
The pathetically easy schedule we had last year was a big reason for us going 10-6. Remember when we barely managed to beat the winless Colts on Monday Night Football earlier this year? Remember when freaking Curtis Painter beat our secondary with two long TD bombs? This team is NOT good.
I really don’t know what it is, but I think it’s both. There’s a severe lack of talent in many areas such as linebacker that were obvious needs coming into this year. And then we have Olsen, who fails to use Blount properly. Also, Raheem is too much of a nice guy that doesn’t discipline the players.
[Patrick: Joe understands you are upset with the loss. But suggesting certain players with a rap sheet should punch a coordinator is a little overboard. — Joe]
November 13th, 2011 at 7:00 pm
One word! Stink! The Bucs stink out loud. Period!
November 13th, 2011 at 7:01 pm
Sensible Buc:
“@FIRE RAH
“I still believe we have a ton of talent.”
Where? Name the guys we have on this team who are at the top 5, 10 or even 15 in the NFL at their position.
T Jax, Penn…and that’s it. We’ve got an East-West Shrine Bowl roster.”
Don’t forget Connor Barth. He’s probably the only Buc that has a shot at the pro bowl. And I mean that. The guy made a nice 55 yarder today and has been getting it done all year.
November 13th, 2011 at 7:11 pm
The Glazers want this team in L.A. by driving away the fan base they will succeed.
November 13th, 2011 at 7:17 pm
…..you guys suck as fans. They lost so now we should fire rah and Dom? I do agree we should have a DC or some sort of defensive consultant to help raheem. But overall what do you expect from a
Team with little experience at WR a qb in only his 2nd season of starting. A d-line that has little experience. A Lb core that is full of no names. This team is the personification of the term “Any Given Sunday”, I think we can beat the packers just as easily as we could get dismantled by them, this is young team at almost every position, this is what happens to young teams, let them develop.
November 13th, 2011 at 7:21 pm
The coach is too close to his players. Talib should have been benched at halftime for his terrible tackling on both touchdowns but since Rah has his back he played the entire game. Winslows facemask while a cheap call was inexcusable, he had his man beat and it was at a turning point in the game. Coaching is sinking this team right now, I was at the game, very low energy on the field. They looked like they were just going through the motions. Raheem needs to shake things up in a big way this week or his job is in jeapordy. You can;t keep doing the same things and expect different results. Being a Buc fan since the 70’s and watching pretty much every game since then, this was one of the worst performances I have ever witnessed and we have alot of bad history to go back on.
November 13th, 2011 at 7:31 pm
@Joe
That comment above: I was just kidding and being sarcastic. I don’t really want Blount to punch Olsen in the face. But still, I should not have typed that. Sorry.
November 13th, 2011 at 7:39 pm
@Patrick
I’m not talking about last year, I’m talking about this year. We beat NO, Indy, the Vikings, and the Falcons with the same talent we have now. We had enough talent to beat detroit, the bears, and NO the second time just poor play execution and lack of discipline. The 49’s and Texans just whooped us, though I believe we still have enough talent to compete with them as well. In my opinion our losses are due more to the fact of insufficient coaching and poor play than a lack of talent. We have seen what this team can do with good coaching, good play, and good discipline. The problem is we rarely get those things on a consistent basis. Yes this team is not the most talented, but they have enough talent to be able to compete with any team if coached properly.
November 13th, 2011 at 7:48 pm
all you can say is “WOW!!!”
November 14th, 2011 at 10:42 am
What if: what if the plan is to look very bad in order to loose season ticket holders. At that point, a case could be made by the glazers for a move to London. I know this may be far fetched, but it looks like someone is engineering a dysfunctional organization.