“Jon Gruden Is Inherently Dishonest.”
November 1st, 2011
Last week Joe brought word of former Bucs wide receiver Meshawn Johnson unloading on former Bucs coach Chucky, both co-workers at BSPN.
Then, Chucky reacted with thin skin claiming he has thick skin.
Joe thought this was a felonious form of BSPN-on-BSPN crime.
A few days later, this topic came up amid discussion on the “too-Jewish” sounding King David Show, co-hosted by former Bucs quarterback Shaun King and Toby David heard weekdays on WQYK-AM 1010.
King, who is one of but three quarterbacks to lead the Bucs to an NFC title game, was in the locker room to see first-hand the vile that existed not just between Meshawn and Chucky, but other players. So King decided to detail some of the friction that went on between Chucky and his players and why few, if any players, respect Chucky.
Part of King’s undressing of Chucky was an explosive comment, “Jon Gruden is inherently dishonest.” King even invoked the name of Nick Saban into the discussion.
The full audio clip of the subject matter can be heard by clicking the little button below.
Audio courtesy of WQYK-AM 1010. [Hat tip Justin.]
[audio: ShaunKingonGruden.mp3]
November 1st, 2011 at 12:04 pm
None of that changes the fact that he was the coach of my team that won the Super Bowl. He’s not the coach anymore … I don’t care; move on.
November 1st, 2011 at 12:09 pm
I especially loved last night when he praised Thomas Jones and then went on to list the teams that let him go. Including himself and Bill Muir, currently on the Chiefs staff.
November 1st, 2011 at 12:14 pm
And he “wanted to draft Flowers” in 08. But went with Talib. I bet Monte wanted Flowers. He looks like Ronde in his prime.
November 1st, 2011 at 12:18 pm
As far as I’m concerned, this is just sour grapes from King. He’s still pissed that he had to tote the clip board as a 3rd string QB during Bucs’ Super Bowl run BEHIND the greatness that was Rob Johnson. Joe, I think you may be the only guy that listens to this buffoon.
November 1st, 2011 at 12:21 pm
Agree completely with lightningbuc, just STFU about Shaun King. He’s a bitter man and I don’t care what he thinks about Gruden.
November 1st, 2011 at 12:28 pm
I don’t know what lightningbuc and kh are talking about. King isn’t the first one. Simeon, Sapp, Lynch, Keenan, the list goes on. All sour grapes too?
November 1st, 2011 at 12:40 pm
That was a good lunch hour listen. I like that Justin does play devils advocate with king, because I agree with lightningbuc, dude is bitter.
If you’re going to coach like Gruden does, you have to win like Bilichek does.
November 1st, 2011 at 12:42 pm
Jrock:
Is that some kind of hybrid coach? Or do you mean Brian Billick or Bill Belichick?
Joe’s not sure. Helps to Google man.
November 1st, 2011 at 12:56 pm
Obviously Belicheck bc he is the winner. Billick is still sour from drafting Kyle Boller.
November 1st, 2011 at 12:58 pm
I don’t know what lightningbuc and kh are talking about. King isn’t the first one. Simeon, Sapp, Lynch, Keenan, the list goes on. All sour grapes too?
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Simeon was definitely sour grapes. Keenan was too and the Bucs were right in not paying either of them what they wanted.
Go watch the America’s game if you think Sapp and Lynch ripped Gruden. They praise the hell out of him. Sapp even ripped Dungy in his praise of Gruden.
Shaun King is a bitter man and I don’t care that players didnt like Gruden. Gruden’s job wasn’t to be the most popular players coach he could be. HIs job was to win a Superbowl and he did. Shaun King can go cry all he wants about it after the fact but he comes off petty.
November 1st, 2011 at 1:09 pm
I almost threw up a little in my mouth when King said that “no one can claim that Keyshawn didnt catch balls..he never dropped passes…” Really? I remember Meshawn dropping passes like hot rocks…pass that hit him right in those big mitts. He would make a circus catch and then drop a 5 yard in…
November 1st, 2011 at 1:34 pm
Too bad you peaked at Tulane Shaun. Don’t be upset that coach told you you “had a chance to start” and wound up 3rd on the depth chart due to your poor play. And Keyshawn dropped passes like it was his job. Not only are you bitter, you’re a liar.
November 1st, 2011 at 1:58 pm
MeShawn is an overrated jerk. Gruden used too much coach speak, but so does rah rah. Half of the junk he mumbles is b.s. coach spin (ask Barrett Ruud), unfortunately it is the nature of the beast.
I was getting tired of Gruden’s ego when he was canned. Unfortunately, we did get less ego with rah but we also got a coach who has absolutely no clue how to prepare a nfl team to win on Sunday.
Ask Rich Biasaccia? He thinks that Norv Turner (Norv Turner) is a better head coach than rah rah.
November 1st, 2011 at 2:06 pm
Rich Biasaccia should be worried more about the Chargers specials teams, which last I saw were among the lowest ranked in the NFL.
November 1st, 2011 at 2:17 pm
Gruden will never coach in this league again.
November 1st, 2011 at 2:17 pm
Gruden is out and Raheem is in. I respect what the players say because if they are breaking their own code of silence to expose dude must have been foul. I believe it but don’t care. It’s like a wwoman calling a guy a minute man if he does buy her a drink to her friends but the guy never intended on being there long anyway. Two sides to a story so I don’t care about this read. Anyone can shape a story for their interests. Gruden knows X and O’s but his people skills and lack or production caught up with him. Raheem better get donkey discipline on this team or he will be in the booth also.
November 1st, 2011 at 2:19 pm
With Brad Johnson injured in late 2002, after using Rob Johnson earlier in the yr in Carolina when Brad hurt his ribs, Gruden decided to give King the start on a MNF game vs Pittsburgh. The chance Shaun supposedly had worked so hard for…how’d he handle it? Not worth even remembering. Besides, it was Dungy and Mckay who traded for Brad Johnson to replace King in the 1st place, not Gruden. Just sayin
November 1st, 2011 at 2:33 pm
“Jon Gruden is inherently dishonest.”
And this Breaking news:
Water is wet and the sky is blue, film at 11…
All head coaches are, they have to be, how else do you think they say 99% of the crap they say.
November 1st, 2011 at 2:37 pm
thomas, why so much love for Rich Bisaccia?
According to Football Outsiders, Bucs special teams are currently 4th in the league. Chargers are 29th.
Tampa let Bisaccia go, and SD hired him. I don’t see how anyone could look at the two teams’ special teams play and see it as anything _other_ than a great decision by Tampa to let Bisaccia go.
November 1st, 2011 at 3:12 pm
flmike…exactly!
Joke, I agree that it was not bad for tampa, but I am sure Rich will bring that unit back in the next year. Thomas will give him time, just not a winning coach right here at home…the 4-3 Raheem Morris Bucs. Rich’s old assistant, I cannot think of his name right now, is really showing his worth with the Bucs. I think the punter/kicker pick up may be helping a bit as well. I think that dude could hit a 70 yard field goal in the right conditions.
November 1st, 2011 at 5:22 pm
FlBoyinDallas- you are exactly right. After the virtual mutiny here in Tampa, I dont see any owner offering him a job. He’s found his true calling in the booth, anyway.
And no, John lynch did not like Gruden. Hated was more like it. And to get a consummate professional like Lynch to that point, there is something fundamentally wrong with you.
November 1st, 2011 at 7:25 pm
I am no Gruden fan, but what’s with all the former cut player hit pieces?
November 1st, 2011 at 7:46 pm
Biasaccia left, he wasnt let go. He jabbed rah rah on the way out which is not like him. Clearly, he felt like soneone unqualified was in charge.
November 1st, 2011 at 8:36 pm
King is still upset that Gruden cut his fat, lazy ass.
November 1st, 2011 at 9:20 pm
LOL remember when Simeon Rice called Gruden a “scumbag” a few years back? That was pretty entertaining.
November 1st, 2011 at 10:40 pm
Stukes > Bisaccia
November 2nd, 2011 at 7:29 am
King and Johnson, two VERY credible players who played with integrity, pure team players who put the team first.
Sure………THAT’S the ticket.
For the love of GOD, get OVER the Gruden bashing. He won us a Super Bowl and now he’s moved on. As far as I’m concerned he gets on the Ring of Honor for that alone…….the Super Bowl part.
King and Johnson get nothing, not an ounce of respect from me.
November 2nd, 2011 at 10:15 am
Wah, Wah, Wah! Better call the Wah-mbulance! Grow up boys!
BTW Wonder if Meshawn and King like their SuperBowl Rings? Cause they wouldn’t have one otherwise!
November 2nd, 2011 at 1:52 pm
hmm…one mo-ron –king–talking about a really huge mo-ron (me-shuan)’s comments….keyshoun sucked in the nfl and is a horrible example for kids….
listening to shawn king just now was like listening to a disgruntled ignorant teenage boy who was told to stay home satdy night
November 2nd, 2011 at 4:51 pm
Thomas, Tampa let Bisaccia leave. And that looks like a great move right now.
The guy pulls an unclassy move (taking a shot at his old boss as he’s leaving), praises Norv Turner (Norv Turner!) and then does a terrible job with his new unit, yet you insist on valuing his opinion extremely highly? You must realize what an idiot you look like, right? You’re just doing this for grins?