Geno Yanked Again?
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Back in the starting lineup yesterday after his wakeup-call benching, Geno Hayes appears to have headed right back to the doghouse.
Adam Hayward was on the field to start the second half in Green Bay — Hayes wasn’t — and Joe didn’t see Hayes return. Whoever the sideline chick was for FOX said on-air that Raheem Morris had been chewing out his linebacking corps.
Raheem may explain what happened to Hayes today at his noon news conference. Joe’s hoping Hayes isn’t hurt beyond a beating to his pride. For Joe, it’s just more evidence that Hayes won’t be in Tampa next year after his contract runs out.
Unfortunately, Adam Hayward got run over by FB/RB John Kuhn when the two met up the gut on a Packers touchdown.
These are tough times for Bucs linebackers. Joe thinks the Bucs have to go out and buy a good one in the offseason, or invest a first-round pick there.
November 21st, 2011 at 10:28 am
Why not Black?
November 21st, 2011 at 10:28 am
I don’t know what happened to Geno after starting his career in such promising fashion but I’m just as concerned about Quincy Black and what’s happened to him since he received that fat contract. Joe you’re right on the money re: the drafting or fa signings go linebackers. I’m hoping we do both! Other than Foster I don’t see any that really need to be here next season although Hayward is a very good special teams performer.
November 21st, 2011 at 10:32 am
I seriously, seriously doubt Geno and Black are playing for the Bucs next year, nor should they. Give Watson a chance, draft a new guy in the first round and add some depth in free agency at the position. These two guys are bringing down the defense big time. Along with the lack of depth at cornerback.
November 21st, 2011 at 10:40 am
K2theSoldier Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 10:32 am
I seriously, seriously doubt Geno and Black are playing for the Bucs next year, nor should they. Give Watson a chance, draft a new guy in the first round and add some depth in free agency at the position. These two guys are bringing down the defense big time. Along with the lack of depth at cornerback.
I forgot about Watson! Definitely need to bring him back!
November 21st, 2011 at 10:51 am
Sign a Free agent to fill a team need?
Never heard of it………………
November 21st, 2011 at 10:53 am
@ Eric, you never heard of Sean Jones, Jeff Faine or Albert Haynesworth?
November 21st, 2011 at 10:54 am
And @Jb, yeah Watson needs to get healthy but i think he’s got twice the talent that Black and Geno have, both as a pass rusher and in coverage. He’s just been injured so much it’s hard to tell for sure.
November 21st, 2011 at 10:54 am
I’m afraid we’re likely to see Black back because he got 11mil gauranteed. And at this stage, I doubt anyone would trade for him. We have too many needs to expect to fix this problem thru the draft especially since we have no 4th rd pick. 2012 will be telling whether this organization is committed to winning now. I am constantly reminded that the Glazers get paid the same amount for a loss as they do for a win and there is no CBA requirement to spend until 2013.
November 21st, 2011 at 11:03 am
Mac, that’s a pretty strong possibility that they keep him just cuza the contract. But we did get rid of Clayton pretty soon after he got his big contract, I don’t remember the figures or if they were close to what Black is getting, but still, it’s encouraging that we cut him even with a big contract.
If they do want to shop him they may be able to in fact get a 4th or 5th round pick. Who knows.
November 21st, 2011 at 11:22 am
Vontaze Burfict anyone?
November 21st, 2011 at 11:22 am
I think Geno’s issues have been well documented since year 2….was he willing to commit the time to his craft. Film room study, off season work, discipline, all of the extras that make players special. I remember reading a bunch of quotes from his teammates a few years ago (including Mr. 55 himself) saying the sky is the limit for Geno if he is willing to become a professional. Looks like he is still struggling with that.
November 21st, 2011 at 11:33 am
Burfict is hot garbage and doesn’t fit our defense at all. He’s essentially a poor man’s Mason Foster that can singlehandedly rack up as many dumb penalties as the rest of our team has (quite a feat). So sure if you wanna replace one of our best defensive players with a hotheaded, out-of-shape 2-down linebacker, be my guest.
Luke Kuechly anyone? (btw I’m addressing people who actually watch college football here)
November 21st, 2011 at 11:43 am
the worst linebackers in the league…period
November 21st, 2011 at 11:45 am
K2 Faine is a OVER RATED glass doll… that has yet to play a full season…Albert called them after his last cut and Jones is a ghost…next?
November 21st, 2011 at 11:46 am
Brain, Kuechly is a solid pick, but depending on where and when we pick, add these names to the list: Zach Brown, Manti Te’o, LaVonte David, and Ronnell Lewis, all LBs I could see in pewter and red!
November 21st, 2011 at 11:47 am
Joe we need 2 linebackers. If you notice opposing offenses are running screen pass left, screen pass right all day long. Our outside LB’s just can’t get through the blocking or are always out of position to defend the play. Then when Quincy Black is in perfect position Aaron Rogers jukes him for a first down. I know the money we will owe him but Dom might just want to admit a mistake and cut our losses. He is terrible, why Black doesn’t get benched along with Hayes is beyond me except we have so very little behind them.
November 21st, 2011 at 11:51 am
Bring back Hardy Nickerson
November 21st, 2011 at 12:01 pm
At least he isn’t as bad as Biggers
November 21st, 2011 at 12:18 pm
It was embarrassing how hard Black bit on the run fake on that TD. New OLBs next season is a priority, as well as replacements for Talib and Barber.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:22 pm
Hayward didn’t play well. Black played terrible (again) but wasn’t pulled.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:22 pm
At least Biggers is better than Myron Lewis. Man that pick is looking like a waste.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:23 pm
Our first pick will be Alphonso Dennard- CB , Nebraska. As horrible as our OLBer are, Cb is an even Bigger need.
The next pick will be Lavonte David. He is an absolute perfect fit for our defense. AND he actually tries to tackle people, instead of running from them.
Next, they gotta get either a speed WR, or a Speedy back. Blount’s lil buddy from Oregon- if he stays healthy, could be the guy.
The next pick is hard. we don’t have a fourth round pick, yet need both a OLB and CB desperately here.
We have to come out of this draft/ offseason with 2 CBers, 2 OLbers. And speed at RB and WR. Otherwise, next year won’t get us over the hump again.
Odd- I wrote those exact same requirements last spring, and everyone disagreed!! Hopefully, we are all on board THIS go ’round!
November 21st, 2011 at 12:28 pm
The good thing is this. If we draft ANY OLB or CB rated at 5th round talent or better- he will be a HUGE improvement over the useless guys playing those spots now!( not including the Great Ronde Barber. Biggers tries really had, but just doesn’t have the talent to be more than a nickel back)
Any player at all . Anyone. Any rookie off the street is an upgrade. That’s how bad it is.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:30 pm
I’m a huge Te’o fan as well but I hear he’s leaning toward returning. Sean Spence would be an ideal pick in the 2nd or 3rd round. He’s small like Hayes but a lot more physical and instinctive. He’s a 4-year starter, leader, smart, great tackler, etc. He’s consistent and makes splash plays behind the line, and we could really use a reliable presence at WLB.
I like David a lot but he’s so small that I wonder if he can play OLB in the NFL. He really gets engulfed by blockers. David and Spence were teammates in high school.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:31 pm
November 21st, 2011 at 12:33 pm
At CB the top guys are Janoris Jenkins, Morris Caliborne and Stephon Gilmore. Jenkins is an ideal shutdown corner, but that’s assuming his pot issue checks out (don’t want another TJax situation). Jenkins shut down Alshon Jeffery as a Jr at UF. His combination of size, athleticism and skill is rare at CB. Talib has that combination but he plays like an r-tard. Jenkins does not.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:35 pm
Dre Kirpatrick? I see all these CB names but really, we should be picking low enough to get Kirpatrick or Claiborne, and both those guys are much better than anyone beneath them. I’d be fine with Dennard if we were picking in the mid 20s, but we’re likely to be at the 10-15 spot and we should be able to grab one of those top 2 CBs.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:36 pm
i think the buc, will actually try and grab decent free agents this year. Burfict style of play is actually better for the NFL than it is for college, and mason foster can slide out to his more natural position at OLB. there are plenty of free agents out there for CB and or WR with Speed. again that is only if this team is really going to try and get free agents.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:42 pm
Right now Kirkpatrick is a size/speed project guy. Honestly he’s not much different from Myron Lewis. He was getting exposed against Georgia Southern last week and just isn’t a shutdown corner yet. Jenkins is that, and Gilmore is a better athlete even though he’s smaller. Claiborne is legit though.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:51 pm
Black should have never been signed to a long term deal in the first place. I watch every bucs game and ever since hes been a starter all hes done is get ran over, pancaked and blowing coverages i dont know what dom or raheem ever seen in him. Just a failed attempt at trying to prove their “build through the draft” plan
November 21st, 2011 at 12:57 pm
@ Capt Tim
Don’t forget this one:
– Hire a new head coach, OC and DC.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:00 pm
I just can’t believe a 6th round undersized linebacker never panned out… Outside LB/Safety/CB all need to be addressed next season if we want to take a step forward. Other than that, our defense is great.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:02 pm
If I were to choose, I would rather get a LB with our first pick.
We need I would go CB with our second pick, and a FB with our 3rd pick…assuming we don’t fill those positions in FA.
It wouldn’t hurt to get 2 CBs. We still have Elbert Mack as well.
As to the here and now…
I would activate Matt Clapp off the practice squad and see what he can do. When Blount was pulled off the field for 3rd down yesterday, I cringed. Lumpkin is NOT a good FB (although he is listed as RB; he’s not good at that either).
I’ve been saying it for over a month now…activate Spurlock for kick returns. Really, did anyone even think we had a chance of a KR for TD yesterday? If Spurlock were back there, we would.
Did anyone notice? The offense started playing better AFTER Trueblood was replaced?
November 21st, 2011 at 1:03 pm
Here’s a question…do Biggers, Hayes or Black have any trade value 4th round or higher)?
November 21st, 2011 at 1:05 pm
Let’s give the team credit though…they did not give up. No one can accurately say now that this team has quit playing for Morris.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:10 pm
I watched Luke Kuechly get completely washed out on a few running plays against ND over the weekend. On the other hand I watched Manti Teo Hold up at contact … Run sideline to sideline and he lit someone up too .. At 255Lbs running like that … That would be welcome
ThaTS IF Teo even enters the Draft
November 21st, 2011 at 1:12 pm
I forgot, Kuechly may not enter either. He’s a huge school guy and doesn’t wanna leave on a bad note. >_> we need both to declare.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:12 pm
And he can break the career tackles record next year.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:25 pm
Capt Tim…we agree again…2xLb, 2xCB, and speed inside and out. Thats 6 players, so lets lay it out. (not counting OL)
LB’s
FA – Tulloch (a year too late)
FA – Da’quell Jackson
Rd1-Te’o, Keukly, Brown, Burfict
Rd2-Hightower, David, R. Lewis
CB’s
FA-Grimes,Rodgers,Finigan
Rd1-Clayborne,Kirkpatrick,Dennard,Jenkins
Rd2-Gilmore, Harris
Speed
FA-DeSean Jackson
Rd1-Micheal Floyd
Rd2-James
Rd3- Wright, Hilton, Broyles?
OL – Carl Nicks & Brewster on the radar.
Allot will happen between now and the offseason, but I’d go Te’o, James, Wright, Grimes & Nicks. Looking for a Vet OLB….anyone got a good idea?
November 21st, 2011 at 1:43 pm
Jarret Johnson maybe?
November 21st, 2011 at 1:44 pm
And I completely disagree on Kirpatrick. I think him and claiborne are the best 2 cbs in the draft, hands down.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:44 pm
We may need to differentiate between ILB and OLB. From everything I’m reading Zach Brown is the best candidate for a Will backer because of his speed and coverage skills. Depends on who you’re following – Capt Tim’s picks are straight outta WalterFootball where Charlie Campbell professes to have Bucs inside info, but maybe not anymore after that errant article about Morris’ contract. I look at Walterfootball as well, DraftCountdown, DraftTek and CBS. It will all change after the 2012 NFL Combine.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:28 pm
I still think Foster should be at SAM, but I think we are past that. But I wonder if that means the MLB’s slide down our board, or if they will take BPA at the position and make it work.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:45 pm
Since this has become a draft discussion, I’d love to see a two-headed monster of Trent Richardson and LaGarrette Blount. Imagine how worn down defenses would be in the 2nd half.
November 21st, 2011 at 4:23 pm
Ahhhhh draft discussions ten games into the season. Guess there is nothing else to talk about since the remaining games are meaningless. People are actually talking about available free agents like the bucs are going to sign anybody.
Ladies and Gentleman I give you Raheem Morris and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
We who are about to suck salute you!
November 21st, 2011 at 4:44 pm
@BKNY that would be terrific. We don’t need another power runner but I’m all for any move that gives us an offensive identity (assuming Olson is let go). If Olson isn’t let go then we might as well not add any playmakers on offense, cause they won’t get used.
November 21st, 2011 at 8:00 pm
Definitely read WalterFootball as my main info on draft picks. And I mention that as often as I think is prudent, considering this is Joes site.
They do have insight into OneBuc. They Identified Adrian Clayborn as our pick a year before the draft.
Again- need a great draft. But we have more holes than draft picks. If Don and Raheem wanna be around awhile, I’d find an expert in FAs, and listen to him. And my ass would sign a few
November 21st, 2011 at 8:56 pm
U got that right Mr. Captain.
And, I am quite sure Dom and Rah would have already been doing that, left on their own with ownership backing them up.
November 21st, 2011 at 11:23 pm
You think so Joe? I could have told you this the year after brooks was let go, but I didn’t know this site existed then. Quincy B had a couple splash plays last year(is he playing this year?), Ruud(let go) had too many tackles for a large gain. and Hayes just hasn’t shown me a consistent year of NOT being out of position on plays. We need a 1st or 2nd rounder who can go sideline to sideline. Too bad the Bucs didn’t have Brooks around a lil more to help our young linebackers progress. Much like the way teams get a young qb to learn from a vet qb. Farve>rodgers.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:05 am
Let’s remember, Geno is effectively getting yanked every single time we go into our nickel lineup, not just when Hayward comes in.
Hayes played 19 snaps at WLB. Hayward played 9.
But Black played 47 snaps at WLB/SLB. The SLB is the one that should be coming off the field, not the WLB.
So, in essence, Hayes was pulled for Hayward on 9 plays and Black on another 30 or so.
This is probably just Raheem’s way of saying that Hayes is on his way out.