Angry Bucs Fans Lashing Out
November 8th, 2011
Joe takes in a lot of email from his many thousands of daily readers, but never more than yesterday and today.
So Joe feels compelled to answer a few common questions here to save Joe time and, hopefully, to entertain.
Q. I’ve written to you before Joe and so have some of my friends. You really have to start an Occupy One Buc movement. It’s time the Glazers heard how angry we are that they’re playing fat cat owners but won’t buy us a good team or a good coach. We should all be marching at One Buc every [@#$%&] weekend. Why are you such a puss and scared to speak out. — James F. [Government IP address]
A. James, it’s football. Get ahold of yourself. Joe’s not a “puss” and Joe sees no reason to lead a revolution on One Buc Palace. If you want to organize one that has more than, say, a dozen screaming protesters, Joe would be happy to write about it. But Joe’s not big into joining radical freak shows. Fans get to voice their displeasure, if they have any, with their dollars, their voices at games, and on the Internet. All three are heard loud and clear at One Buc Palace. What cracks Joe up about guys like you is that nearly all in your camp pegged the Bucs as a seven- or eight-win team this year at best. So why so angry now? The team is what you thought they were. Joe might have a more frothy outlook if the Bucs drop four of their next five.
Q. You make me sick, Joe, how you call Dominik “rockstar GM.” Nobody even buys tickets to his show. What kind of rock star is that? You’re a shameful shill for the organization. I hope Dominik’s panties smell good. — Chris Z.
A. To clarify, Joe has never sniffed another man’s undergarments and Joe would bet Dominik doesn’t wear panties, though what a man does under his zipper is not Joe’s business. Joe likes the “rockstar” nickname, born from the wave of national interview requests Dominik fielded after the last two drafts. Drafts take years to grade legitimately after the initial impressions. Dominik’s first draft [2009] should be able to get a fair assessment after this season. Assuming Freeman doesn’t implode for the rest of 2011, just snatching him alone that year is enough to get Dominik a good 2009 grade. No, Dominik hasn’t proven to be a Hall of Fame GM in 2 1/2 years, but Joe’s going to stick with “rockstar.”
Q. Hey Joe, the Bucs cut Chad Spann. They didn’t even give him a chance. Did you see that? — BucJon99
A. Yes, Joe sees nearly everything, but Joe really doesn’t report transactions. Most practice squad moves don’t arouse Joe, so Joe doesn’t write about them. If it bores Joe, then it won’t show up here.
Q. Joe, you’re so damn negative about the Bucs. You’re probably not even a Bucs fan. Ever since your dumb site started you rip the Bucs. They’re 4-4-you idiot and every fan with a brain knows they would play this kind of football with a tougher schedule and a young roster. All you want is Raheem out of town. —Anonymous
A. Some people say Joe is too negative. Some people say Joe is too positive. (See above). Joe can’t win, and Joe’s not trying to. You can rest assured Joe is a Bucs fan. Joe could make a lot more money doing other things than following the Bucs 24/7. In fact, Joe’s writings here are done in between his “real jobs.” Joe’s never called for Raheem’s head, not even after 3-13, so you’re ridiculous on that point. Joe wants the Bucs to win regardless who is coaching. However, Joe would be the first to say that if Raheem doesn’t take the Bucs to the playoffs next year, then, barring a truly bizarre set of circumstances, it’s time for a new head coach.
November 8th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
I see Haynesworth is now available. Reach out and see if he’s willing to re-negotiate his contract to fill in for us. I’m not advocating a long term thing, but we’re thin and he’s the best available.
It goes against what the Bucs will do, so it won’t happen, but again – we need help in the middle.
November 8th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
One Joe is too negative, and the other Joe is too positive. Or maybe it is the other way around. Either way, I demand a cage match to the death to determine who is correct.
November 8th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
Hmmm, Haynesworth was cut by the Patriots for lack of effort. Lack of effort…on the Patriots…whose coach is Bill Bellichick. And our fans want him? I hope some of you people don’t look as stupid as you sound
November 8th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
This is the strangest website in the NFL … but I can’t stop reading. As for Haynesworth, I’d love to see him come in here and have Rah tell him to be his best self and run a couple of gassers with the yungry lineman. That’ll go over real well when he comes in 10 steps behind Price. He’s the last guy we need.
November 8th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
Don’t listen to the irrationals on either side Joe. People have gotten very confrontational on Buc fan sites. People need to take a chill pill and realize whatever happens happens.
I have to disagree with you on the 2009 draft Joe. Freeman was a solid pick that had to be made. We needed a franchise quarterback. Other than that the draft was a HUGE failure.
2nd round pick traded for Winslow. Looked like a good pick at first but Winslow has been nothing but a headache this year. On those knees I would be surprised if he was able to play past 2012. Should’ve just kept the pick and drafted the best tight end available OR LeSean McCoy (went 2 picks after Cleveland’s selection from us).
3rd round pick was Roy Miller, maybe the 2nd worst pick of Dom’s career. You have to get something out of a 3rd round pick but we got nothing. Miller is as soft as they come in the middle (that bench press sure doesn’t translate to the field). We could swap him with a free agent off the street and there would be no difference.
4th round pick was the worst pick Dom has made so far, Kyle Moore. Everywhere I read said the same thing: looks the part but doesn’t play that way. How accurate. Moore didn’t belong anywhere close to the football field.
5th round pick was Xavier Fulton who never played a game for us. What a waste. Anything would’ve been better than him.
Dom got good value in the 7th with Biggers and Stroughter but they’re average players at best. Stroughter has been outperformed while he’s in the training room (that’s cold, but that’s football) and might have lost his ole on the team. Biggers is no better than a nickel back (really might be no better than a dime back, but with our depth at corner he’s out there all damn day).
Dominik preaches about building through the draft but he definitely didn’t make the 2009 one count. No talent at all between rounds 3-5 and pissed away a 2nd rounder on a veteran player with serious knee issues. Freeman isn’t enough to save that crap.
November 8th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
Seems like this happens after every loss. People always running their mouths/keyboards.
November 8th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
The 4th guy who wrote above is an idiot…..RAHEEM AND THE STAFF NEED TO BE FIRED. THERE ARE NO EXCUSES SISSIES OF THE TAMPA MEDIA!!! YES, that is what the local media are “p*ssy’s.”
And Joe- You get a hold of YOURSELF.
November 8th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
How’d all them free agents Philly signed work out when they went against Chicago last night? About as good as the Bucs, looks like to me.
November 8th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
Abe:
Why so angry?
November 8th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
“Joe wants the Bucs to win regardless who is coaching”
I second that Joe. Some posters on this site don’t feel that way unfortunately.
November 8th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
As far as all the negative posters coming out of the woodwork, good for them. We have a passionate and mildly well-educated fan base that doesn’t like to be pushed around. I can respect the positives and the negatives associated with that passion.
Colin Cowherd always talks about his time on the West Coast and how boring is it to work there because of the lassez faire-type of fandom out there. He talked about how the Mariners’ way of getting fannies into seats was to re-sign an old and broken-down Ken Griffey Jr. or the Seahawks hiring Pete Carroll as HC. Pete Carroll! The fans don’t demand excellence from their ownership.
That’s something that we certainly don’t lack around here.
November 8th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
I am very glad I don’t run a blog
November 8th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
EEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR…
Your car ran totally off the road with that phrase.
November 8th, 2011 at 5:10 pm
It’s one thing to demand excellence and it’s another thing to be realistic in your expectations. It seems as though the fans in Tampa expected us to do a complete rebuild and within two years contend for the superbowl. That’s just being ignorant of what a rebuild involves. Everyone wants to see the Bucs go out and get a bunch of FA’s that couldn’t get resigned by their own teams because apparently they were asking for more than they were worth but it’s OK for the Glazers to spend that money because the ‘fans’ think they should? This is a business you boneheads. The Glazers and Dom have a plan and shockingly it probably isn’t the same one you came up with….but then, I don’t suppose you coach football or draft talent for a living do you???? Nope. Didn’t think so but I get it…you’d be sooooooo much better at it than the guys at 1Buc. I mean those cheap bastards didn’t hire Bill Cowher (forget the fact he wasn’t even looking for a coaching job) and because of that you gave up your season tickets. Sure you did…… They went 10-6 last year but by God they won’t get your money until they make the playoffs!!!!! ‘yawn’…I’m sorry….I’m too tired. Call yourself an idiot.
November 8th, 2011 at 6:11 pm
McCargo signed as replacement for McCoy. Figured it would either be McCargo or Woods again.
November 8th, 2011 at 6:20 pm
Abe,
I’d suggest a hobby.
Basket weaving?
Prescription pills perhaps?
Dude, calm down. Seriously, you’re gonna have a heart attack.
November 8th, 2011 at 6:22 pm
I agree with Bobby; most fans need more realistic expectations. There was some poor play calling and some lack of motivation which is completely on the coaching staff, but with youth comes mistakes and this year they are catching up to us. Luckly; Josh Freeman is a stud QB who is just trying too hard to carry this team on his back. The Bucs are very fortunate that he really is a franchise QB who’s going to be good for a long time.
November 8th, 2011 at 6:47 pm
“To clarify, Joe has never sniffed another man’s undergarments and Joe would bet Dominik doesn’t wear panties,” An unidentified source says differently.*
*The source’s name may sound like Lon Shmuden
November 8th, 2011 at 6:49 pm
@ Joe
LOL! Yeah I know you’re not a fan but the point is still a lucid one. The different factions of Homers and Chicken Littles on this site are the signs of a good fan base.
November 8th, 2011 at 8:44 pm
I would occupy Onebuc in a second..
November 8th, 2011 at 8:48 pm
It’s never been my impression that Joe wants to run Raheem out of town. Perhaps I missed that somewhere along the way.
November 8th, 2011 at 9:22 pm
Great, rational post by Bobby.
No Otas and no Acess to OneBuc hurt the young players badly. Another offseason with Millard, Stretz, Pat Morris, Stukes, etc will do the young guys wonders. Drafting some CBs and OLBers will do wonders.
Next year, we make the move.
But this” build thru the draft only” isn’t working. At all
November 8th, 2011 at 9:44 pm
Capt Tim: every team had no OTAs and no access to their facilities. The playing field is equal, the age difference between the oldest and young teams is 2 years. The entire offense returned with the same coordinator and playbook – stop making excuses. The well-coached teams aren’t missing a beat – look at San Fran – a completely new system and you don’t hear them complaining about Harbaugh not having enough time and access to his new players.
Harbaugh is a real coach.
Time will only further confuse Rah. Why do you think Biasaccia left? I’ll tell you why – he could not stand by and work under this fraud.
November 8th, 2011 at 9:44 pm
Capt Tim: every team had no OTAs and no access to their facilities. The playing field is equal, the age difference between the oldest and young teams is 2 years. The entire offense returned with the same coordinator and playbook – stop making excuses. The well-coached teams aren’t missing a beat – look at San Fran – a completely new system and you don’t hear them complaining about Harbaugh not having enough time and access to his new players.
Harbaugh is a real coach.
Time will only further confuse Rah. Why do you think Biasaccia left? I’ll tell you why – he could not stand by and work under this fraud. .
November 8th, 2011 at 9:45 pm
Joe, dont listen to the people who frequently post here, me and thousands of other rational people just read your posts and remain quiet. I do ahave a question though..
The Seahawks recently dropped ol’ Al Woods. Think the Bucs will take a look? He played very well for us last year I thought..I was sad to see him go in the first place. With GMC out, we need more depth.
November 8th, 2011 at 10:33 pm
I like the occupy one buc place movement idea. Hopefully that won’t be blacked out, I’d really rather participate by watching it in HD from my couch. Go Bucs!
November 8th, 2011 at 10:41 pm
Jesse:
Anything is possible but remember Mark Dominik generally stays away from older guys who are thrown to the curb by other teams.
November 8th, 2011 at 10:46 pm
D-Rome:
Of course not! For a coach to get run, that means the team is sucking the tailpipe.
As Joe has written before, provided the Bucs don’t make the playoffs this year — which appears very possible at this point — next year will be critical for Morris.
November 8th, 2011 at 11:10 pm
To put this loss in perspective…….the Bucs split with the Saints. I’ll take that every year. On the other hand, they have been playing/coaching like arse and it must improve. As far as the “occupy” one buc….a lot of you whiners sound like the occupy wall st. crowd. “I have the right to see the bucs on tv and someone else should pay for it!” stinking anti-free market commies! you savvy?
November 8th, 2011 at 11:25 pm
For a coach to be fired they have to be sucking the tailpipe?
Tell that to Tony Dungy and Jon Gruden.
November 9th, 2011 at 12:05 am
he said ‘run out’ not fired.
November 9th, 2011 at 12:35 am
Joe, I immediately “got” your decision to place “Rock Star” in front of Dominik’s name when you started doing it.
But do you have to keep doing it — forever?
Frankly, it annoys me and each time I see it I get more annoyed. In fact, it has lessened the number of times I now visit your site, to be quite honest.
This has no relationship to whether Dominik deserves the appelation. But it’s just like fingernails on a blackboard to me now.
Sorry to be a complainer; I’m just being honest.
November 9th, 2011 at 1:07 am
Joe if you think the fans are angry now wait until we get hit by the Mack truck which is the Texans. Two one hundred yard rushers last week and Foster is the real deal. Lets pray Okam can come back or McCargo channels Tanard Jackson and hits the ground running. Raheems biggest task when he took over for Gruden was to get a more stout run defense. Well here we are almost 3 years later and we look like Jim Bates is back in the saddle. I hope your wrong about next year Joe. If we miss the playoffs this year and tank like it looks like we might I hope the Glazers eat the last year of Raheems deal like they did Grudens and move on. Its time for some real coaching.
November 9th, 2011 at 1:49 am
Hey, JoePa will be available soon, maybe we can convince him to give the NFL a shot, see how that works out!
November 9th, 2011 at 9:03 am
Greg, JoePa could be our adult diaper coordinator.
November 9th, 2011 at 10:21 am
Why exactly is James F so angry that he wants to start a rape filled, drug infested, politically ignorant Occupy Buc Place protest?
Is he mad because the Bucs have taken a little step back in year 2 of a re-building process? Or is he mad because he has not a clue what he is talking about?
The ONLY thing I can see being mad about is the Glazers and every other owner raising ticket prices throughout the last decade while everything else in the economy was slowing down.