Too Many Fans Taking On Loser Mentality
October 30th, 2011
Joe’s talked to a lot of Bucs fans over the past week and many have told Joe they’ll be happy if the Bucs only lose two out of the next three games (at New Orleans, home for Houston, and at Green Bay).
The thinking is the Bucs would then emerge at 5-5 with an easier schedule in their final six to close the season.
Frankly, this makes Joe want to puke. What kind of loser mentality is that?
Sure, the Bucs could sit at 5-5 and then finish 9-7 or 10-6 and not make the playoffs, and lots of people would embrace that as the next step in the “lasting contender” era. But the Bucs have a real shot here to win two of the next three and potentially take the franchise to another level.
At some point good young teams and great coaches break through to the playoff level. For Joe, this is as good a time as any. The Bucs already have proven they can beat good teams this season (Atlanta and New Orleans.)
The Bucs should get Blount back and get healthier over the bye, and they have time for the coaches to fix what’s left them just short in two losses.
Joe’s not going to sit around and cheer losing two of three.
October 30th, 2011 at 10:49 am
Houston can be had, and NO needs to be had. And we proved we can beat a Packers team 2 years ago, that is largely the same roster, though I realize they have quite the unbeaten streak going right now.
So though its a stretch, it’s not out of the realm of possibility that we could go 3-0. Do I expect it? No way, but my point more so is that the Bucs have the ability to beat anyone on any given Sunday, and seem to be on the cusp of being able to do it EVERY sunday. So it’s time to step it up.
But I agree Joe, to be content with going 1-2 over this next stretch is unacceptable. I guarantee you the players themselves don’t expect to only emerge with 1 win in the next 3 games, and neither should we.
October 30th, 2011 at 10:52 am
This team has the talent to be great. They could EASILY win 2 of 3 or even all 3. Its the coaches preparation that I have no faith in. Game after game its the same thing. Slow starts, lots of penalties and inconsistency.
I have no faith in Raheem and his staff. If the Bucs come out flat after a bye week with the SAME problems, its time for everyone to wake up. Raheem just isn’t getting it done.
October 30th, 2011 at 11:00 am
I agree that this team has shown it can play with any team in the League. But it goes both ways. They barely got by a horrible Indy team at home and lost to a mediocre Bears team. This team is capable of playing to the level of the best teams in the league as well as the worst.
October 30th, 2011 at 11:01 am
i’m with you, Joe. The way this Buc team handled the Saints earlier this year…. well, when we play like that I think we have a chance at beating any team in the league.
October 30th, 2011 at 11:09 am
Not a loser mentality, just being honest. The team is mediocre at best. Doesnt mean I hope they don’t win every game. Management has napped through free agency two years in a row and insists on stocking the roster with inexperienced (i.e. inconsistent) players. It is what it is. Go Bucs!
October 30th, 2011 at 11:15 am
There’s a difference between having a loser mentality and being realistic.
I think the Bucs CAN beat every team on their schedule (okay, maybe not the Packers). But realistically, especially with how the team has been so up and down, it just doesn’t seem likely.
October 30th, 2011 at 11:31 am
Loser mentality = accepting not making the playoffs. I dont care what your record is if you are not 6th best in the conference. I was wrong for assuming that lasting contender was referring to “contending” for a super bowl.
I guess to Joe and the sheep the contender reference is contending for the 6th playoff spot occasionally. Speaking of loser mentality, that epitomizes it. As does the remaining tiny fan base that is willing to wait half a decade for a 6th place finish in the conference in the era of free agency. At least the bucs wont come out and get embarrassed in the first half today bc the coach has no clue how to gameplan except to repeat yungry a dozen times.
October 30th, 2011 at 11:39 am
The fanbase is split with pessimists and optimists. Normal behavior for a small market team. The numbers say the pessimism is justified but homerism says the season can still lead to a playoff birth. Personally, I’m split because the organization and coaching gambled too much with suspect players to me to have complete confidence. But over the years I’ve believed and suffered with the franchise so you want to buy in. I’m gonna stay in the median because this team is middle of the scale beat some good teams and then stink for 3.5 quarters to become competitive. No a winning brand of football and it reflects on the lack of answers and preparation by the coaches. How do you believe in a team that will turn its playoff hopes over to a guy name Craig Lumpkin? When you’re short a RB? That’s a skeptical move. Would Jerry Jones, Ozzie Smith, Parcells, or Belicheck do that? So I can see why the negative Outlook looms over this team. I’m not moved either way, which is why i dont go crazy posting when we win because the next week back to first half struggles.
October 30th, 2011 at 11:45 am
Knew it would just be a matter of moments before the real loser showed up, thank you Thomas for that enlightened meme. You must be a republican as you repeat the same talking points every time you post, regardless the subject. Please name me the FAs that Green Bay has brought in, which ones the Steelers have signed in the off season, I know they resigned players they cut because of the injuries to the O-line, but no outside FAs. Besides, out of the top 2 FAs this season, both pinpointed the teams they wanted to play for before they even started, Sproles told his agent either NO or Philly, Namndi was set on Philly. And as the last two SBs have shown you just have to get to the tournament to have a chance.
October 30th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
It IS a loser’s mentality Joe. The kind of crap a Thomas 2.whatever would post over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. These kind of “fans” and “experts” make the rest of us look bad.
Sickening, just pathetic.
October 30th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
Joe wrote: ‘At some point good young teams and great coaches break through to the playoff level.”
What Joe SHOULD HAVE WRITTEN:
“At some point good young teams – WHICH THE BUCS AREN’T YET – and great coaches – WHICH THE BUCS DON’T HAVE – break through to the playoff level.
Potential does not equal GOOD. The Bucs coaches are acceptable at BEST.
October 30th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
Need a new off./ def. coordinator!! Nuff said.
October 30th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
Joe, ask yourself this: WHY WOULD FANS EVEN THINK THAT TO GO 1-2 FOR THE NEXT 3 GAMES IS A SUCCESS?
Maybe it has to do with a HC who’s claim to fame is being a spokesperson for Ebonics – YOUNGRY?
Maybe it has to do with an OC who looks like a Clyde Christian clone?
Maybe it has to do with a “franchise QB” who tosses eight (8) EIGHT interceptions in the past three games!
Maybe it has to do with a team that has a starting LB whom no one except his family has heard of?
Maybe it has to do with opposing teams scoring 92 points against the Bucs in just the last three (3) games!
Maybe it has something to do with the Bucs scoring a whopping 21 points in their last two losses?
Maybe those fans who don’t walk around with pewter glasses and can actually read the writing on the wall and aren’t homers are being realistic?
Maybe…..
October 30th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
Oh and before you start attacking me for not being a fan try this – DISPUTE THE AFOREMENTIONED FACTS!
October 30th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
Hey Thomas, what happened with the 6th place in the conference last year?
October 30th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
I’ll take 6th place, Rah doesn’t have any 6th place finishes though. With another January at home, rah must be replaced with someone qualified.
I am sorry that you guys hate my opinions. To change my tune, all I need is a playoff appearance. Based on my observations of how badly this team is coached, it won’t happen this year, again. I bet they finish 3rd or 4th in the division again. Unless rah gets demoted to d backs coach soon and they elevate someone with a clue.
October 30th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
Expecting a playoff finish from the youngest team in the NFL regardless of who is coach, is pretty high expectations. I’m sorry you obsess over something that continually disappoints you Thomas, I hope you are seeking professional help.
October 30th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
So 2 blowouts in the last 3 games… and 1 win over the Saints… which to be honest, isn’t looking that impressive considering what’s going on in St. Louis today…
October 30th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
Packer free agents: charles woodson (he is not too shabby);Ryan Pickett to name 2 starters that come to mind. Pittsburgh: some linebacker named james farrior, ryan clark and flozelle adams come to mind. I know that research would produce more.
Bottom line: we all agree that drafting well is important, but if you want to compete year in and year out, you need to supplement with a few free agents. To totally wall that off is purely an economic decision and no I dont count paying another team ‘s punter instead of your own a free agent mive.
October 30th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
Olson may be gone after the season if the offense doesn’t improve, but you can bet your bottom dollar that Raheem has at the very least two more seasons before he even gets close to the hot seat. His seat is as cold as ice right now. Period.
He gets humongous credit with ownership for standing on the table for Freeman as their draft pick. The other guys in the room wanted to trade up for Sanchez, but Raheem stuck to his guns without wavering in favor of Freeman. I think we all know who we’d rather have as our QB by now. No one else, and I mean no one, gets the credit for that pick except Raheem.
Combine that with the fact that these young guys would run through a brick wall for Raheem, and the fact that the Glazers & Dominik have both stated that they are building through the draft for the long haul and prefer stability over constant changes, and you have a recipe for Raheem being here for quite a while to come.
So to all you who want Raheem replaced: STFU, ’cause it ain’t happening in the forseeable future. And my condolences to all the people around you in your lives who have to listen to you little bitches whining all the damn time. Grow up.
October 30th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
Joe…I could not agree with you more.
Mr Lucky, I think you want someone to argue against your opinions, which is a waste of time. The facts you did include stand, but the numbers you left out are 4-3, which is still a winning record. The Saints lost today, so it is looking even better.
October 30th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
Actually, the Packers are the second youngest team in the league, according to ESPN. So yeah, I do expect a playoff appearance considering last year’s performance.
October 30th, 2011 at 8:28 pm
I expect the Bucs to beat the Saints. With the help of their bye and the return of so many injured players, we should all expect that.
The other two games, on the other hand, are going to be reeeaaaally tough.
October 31st, 2011 at 1:23 am
@Thomas, Sean Jones, Jeff Faine, Kellen Winslow, all big time contributors we’ve acquired through free agency/trade. Shut up, cheer for the team, and stop posting your ignorant garbage. You’re a punch line for jokes.
October 31st, 2011 at 9:58 am
Please name me the FAs that Green Bay has brought in, which ones the Steelers have signed in the off season, I know they resigned players they cut because of the injuries to the O-line, but no outside FAs
Charles Woodson:signed – 2006
Ryan Pickett: signed – 2006
James Farrior :signed – 2002
Ryan Clark signed – 2006 and, they just resigned him
Flozelle Adams signed due to decimated Oline last season.
So your argument is based on signings from between 5 -9 years ago.
Please remind me to not hire you if I need a lawyer, I understand precedent, but 9 year old FA signings don’t even come close to the argument you are making.
October 31st, 2011 at 10:05 am
Farrior was one of their own. He was drafted by the Steelers, left for a pay day with the Lions and came back to the Steelers.
November 1st, 2011 at 10:36 am
Joe,
Farrior never played for the Lions; Im pretty sure he was drafted by the Jets and played there before signing with Pittsburg. You are thinking of Larry Foote, he was a 1 year bust with the Lions 2-3 years back.