The Final Price For Talib’s Foolishness
October 24th, 2011
"Did you just call me a trigger happy ref?"
The inexcusable personal foul called on Aqib Talib after the Bucs stoned the Bears three times in a goal-to-go situation was a major factor yesterday.
So what did Talib’s foolishness actually cost the Bucs?
Well, Joe went back to the video tape and Talib’s alleged attempted eye-gouging of an opponent cost the Bucs one minute and 36 seconds on the game clock, plus the two minute warning.
Sure, the Bucs turned in what was effectively a second goal line stand to get the ball back after Talib’s escapade, but subsequently Josh Freeman had much less time to work with and the game ended on a late interceptions. Without Talib’s penalty, the Bucs could have afforded a failed drive on offense and had time — and timeouts — to get the ball back.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:46 am
We had enough time and time outs. I get your point, but in this case it didn’t cost us the game by any means. The real statement is that he still isn’t mature enough and probably never will be. A completely inexcusable penalty and I’m sure if he did stick his fingers in the facemask, a fine is forthcoming.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:01 am
Christ he did everything in his power to make Roy “F-ing” Williams look like the Pro-Bowler only Roy “F-ing” Williams thinks he is. I rewatched some of the game, and IMHO what hurt us more than the Graham injury was TJax and Foster both going out. TJax just makes the back end of our D work, Lynch made a play or two, but he also cost us some points.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:02 am
I don’t need to call out Talib for his senseless penalty, Capt. Tim is going to expound quite eloquently on this today, and deservedly so. I’ve stood up for Talib because I’ve seen his ability and was hoping that he and his game would mature with time. But a continuation of these kinds of juvenile mistakes coupled with his obvious fall off in performance is unfortunate and disappointing.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:07 am
Maybe he was trying to pluck the guys eye out, like in the kill bill movie.
Talib isnt the only one getting penalties on this team. Bad discipline problems abound IMO.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:14 am
I’m completely done with this guy. The small flashes aren’t worth the overall pain he can cause.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:20 am
The discipline on this team is horrendous. From the penalties, to blown assignments, to temper tantrum throwing TEs, I blame the coaches.
As for Talib. I expected an all-pro, we’re getting a con artist. With each average game, Talib keeps looking guiltier and guiltier. At the very least, he should be in jail for stealing paychecks or impersonating the real Talib.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:22 am
he is an uneducated loser
October 24th, 2011 at 11:28 am
Didn’t the Bucs also have to use a timeout during the second set of downs because of some sort of confusion? That is an extra timeout they would have had on the final drive also.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:35 am
Least disciplined team in the league. That’s 100% on the coaching staff.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:40 am
And Goodell was in the stands to see this ..
THis is it for me with this dude .. He put himself before the team and has no self-control ..
Aqib Talib is not Elite … Did anyone see his reaction time to comeback to the ball ?? non-existent ?? Is he injured or does he not have urgency or care ??
SHould have traded him for Rodgers-Cromartie
October 24th, 2011 at 11:48 am
All good points…
Talib = Fail
October 24th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
Talib was a thug knucklehead at Kansas and we let it slide. He was a thug at the rookie symposium and we let it slide. He was a thug when he punched the cabbie, when he shot at his sister’s boyfriend, when he gouged a guys eye, when he ….ect. When is it time to cut this below average nickel corner go. Raheem is a puss, has no disciple, and is in over his head as a young head coach who is unsuccessful at also being a d-coordinator. Time to cut the A-hole thug and let Raheem either be the head coach or run the d, but not both. This is not a fun, entertaining team to watch and after we finish 7-9 Raheem will be on the hot seat.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
It’s always been a close thing with Talib, but I think he’s definitely drifted into “more liability than value” territory. I think it’s time to move on this offseason. If the guy were showing progress, it would be one thing. But he _continues_ to take selfish penalties that hurt the team, and shows no signs of letting up.
Trueblood is the king of that territory, btw. Time for him to be gone, too.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
Joe
I can’t believe that anyone is not being benched during this game, let alone afterwards. Talib should be, Josh Freeman should have been, some of the linemen on both sides, plus the LB and DB that could not tackle. Lumpkins is either not ready or not good enough, get one of the fast receivers off the practice squad and put him in the back field, at least he could run fast. If Josh is trying to throw to Winslow because of the temper tantrums, both need an adjustment.
Play select is very bad and the starting receivers are almost never open or Josh doesn’t see them. Start Briscoe and Parker, along with Stocker and see if the others want to play, if not we have two fast good receivers on the practice squad and bring them in. Mack can’t tackle.
Raheem need a defense coordinator so he can look at the entire team and he needs to be a leader not a cheer leader. For what we are paying the starting line it seem like only Joseph, Penn, and Zutah are earning it.
They are at a crossroads, instill the discipline requried or bench them.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
What did I tell you guys during the Talib/Texas fiasco?
Anyone who has ‘successfully’ completed anger management classes would NOT do the things he has done, would recognize the position he was in, and keep away, or find a better intervention method.
Talib learned NOTHING from any of that, and now we get to see the results.
The rabid “ANY MAN WOULD DO THE SAME THING” crowd needs to pay attention.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
October 24th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
Creamsicle:
Sun Tzu?
October 24th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
Inexcusable penalty. It might have cost us the game. We’ll never know for sure, but extra time on that last drive might have made all the difference. Talib is not the same player this year. I hope he gets it together. If not (and even if so with his suspension looming next year) we should go CB, CB with our first 2 picks in the draft next offseason.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
On this topic…During the game, they showed Raheem talking face to facemask with Talib after that penalty. I would really LOVE to know what was said, and am surprised no one has asked Raheem that question. I am hopeful that he told him how expensive his lack of control had just gotten. I also hope that Talib took it to heart.
But I doubt it.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
Damn Joe, maybe just maybe if Freeman sorry @ss scored a couple of TD’s the first 3 quarters the teamn wouldn’t be in that position. The only reason why we lost was that for most of the game, Freeman looked like…a freaking college QB, innacurate and indecisive. To blame Talib or anyone else is just plain foolish or kust sucking up to Freeman.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
Yea Skookum…..I posted that quote at the time of the cabbie incident over on the TBBBB. I honestly believe that had Rah put his foot down right then and there (4 game suspension) we wouldn’t be having these problems now. Instead they went and sat courtside together at a Magic game
October 24th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
Talib is playing badly, and his mental instability hurts this team.
I was right.
I wish I was wrong, and he was playing great, and being a professional
Somehow, Ronde is still laying great. Biggers can’t stop anyone, he plays to contain. Lewis looks good, but only decides to play about 1 game outta 4. Talib, Gaitor, etc aren’t even close to getting it done!
October 24th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
How does no one remember on our second TD drive after the penalty for running out the play clock, Freeman hit Kellen in that left flat and Kellen ran out of bounds for 7 yards. Well, the clock never stopped running. He was not hit, or forced backwards and given forwards progress. He ran straight out of bounds but the clock did not stop. It ran off 29 seconds. Put that with the 36 seconds from Talib and the Bucs had any entire minute, a penalty, and a two minute warning stolen from them.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
Mauha: it is high time that you pull your head out of the sand and start being honest with yourself.
These players get no professional coaching, that is why they are constantly doing stupid s-it.
From penalties, to clock-management, to game-planning, to roster decisions, this is by FAR the worst coached team in football. Rah rah makes Tony Sparano look like Lombardi.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
From penalties, to clock-management, to game-planning, to roster decisions, this is by FAR the worst coached team in football. Rah rah makes Tony Sparano look like Lombardi.
Okay, now I know you are a complete and utter imbecile, I work about 3 secs away from SunLife-Margaitaville-JLo Stadium, have “Friends” in sports broadcasting here (my company builds advertising software for stadiums and outdoor networks), Sparano is lucky to still have his job this morning, but Ross is such an idiot that he can’t fire him until he has (shocker coming) Urban Myer locked up, if you don’t think the Gator Weekend at SunLife-Margaitaville-JLo Stadium wasn’t done for him you are crazy. Someone finally got to Ross and told him NO big name ex-HCs like Gruden or Cowher were walking into this mess for any amount of money. Mark it, Urban Myer will be the Miami Dolphins head coach next season, if not sooner. Also look for Jim Tressel to be signed as the HC at Indy on or about Jan 3, do you really think he’s there to advise on Challenges?
October 24th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
Mauha — If there’s more than 5 minutes left in 2nd half, clock gets restarted on an out-of-bounds play when the ball is reset. It only fully stops on incomplete/change of possession.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
Im no talib supporter, but I didn’t see him do anything. I saw a hand go up. I saw the WR eyes looking back, so they didn’t get poked or anything. When did it happen?
I also find it ironic Line Judge Daryll Lewis was the same line judge from last years Baltimore game when Talib got into it with an official that was never named. And trust me, I am NO conspiracy theorist.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
And on that note, there was the mysterious ‘facemask’ penalty called on a lineman (I don’t remember who), but the replay showed that the lineman’s hand was only on the ‘victim’s’ facemask for a split second and he never closed his hand on it. That’s a legal play, but we lost down and distance anyway.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
Thomas- “by far the worst” 10-6 ” team in Football”
Nah, that does work, does it? “worst first Place team”,
Nope, not working, either.
” worst -undefeated in their division- team”. Again, nope.
I got it! Worst coached team, since that lil bum Gruden left”!
Yeah, that works!
I know you took it hard, now that Griden has said his( feeble attempt at) coaching days are over. He’s a permanent announcer now. You know, like Howard Cosell, or Dandy Don Meridith! Chucky kinda reminds me of Dandy Don,- without the genuine honesty factor Don had.
I wonder if we can get Chucky to Sing” Turn out the lights, the party’s over! Lol
October 24th, 2011 at 2:45 pm
@Joke Really? Somehow I missed that rule. When did it change?
October 24th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
@flmike…..Last time I checked the Dolphins haven’t won a game. That was a pretty lame post.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
I think we need a old school coach, you know? A bill parcel, Mike ditka type of coach. That type of coach will fix all the penalties. A coach that could really chew some butt when things like this happen…
October 24th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
@Bobby I was answering Thomas2.2’s post which is where I go the top quote about Sparano and Lombardi from. Did you really think I wrote that? Damn, that would make me sound like T2.2
October 24th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
Capt Tim.
This team is where anyone with a brain thought they would be. Behind the Saints, about to be behind Atlanta, bad defense, worse than expected offense, horribly undisciplined.
Further, in addition to having little chance to win the division – they have dropped 3 games to probable wild card competitors which, if they can get past 8-8, will hurt their chances badly with gaining ang wild card tiebreakers. Det, Chi, SF are likely to all be 9-7 or better with only SF a probable division winner.
Tim, I could care less about what Gruden does. I just want a head coach that makes this team better and not worse. Have you ever seen such lack of discipline, inconsistency and poor prep to start games like this in your life? I havent.
Even the homers are starting to accept what I have been saying about this utter lack of discipline and professionalism that breeds inconsistency and underachievement. 3 years in a row no playoffs, blackouts, apathy require a coaching change. You should desire it and demand playoffs Tim.
Rah is a nice excitable D Backs coach who the players view as their buddy. This team needs experience and discipline and direction at the top, not a buddy who will go to the bar and mall with the players and who doesnt meaningfully discipline them.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
You know, you guys should really re-read what you write. You do realize your comments about the team should NOT be different from a win to a loss. How is this team undisciplined week 7, but not weeks 6 and 4? What it is, is inconsistent. You get that from a young team.
This defense at least CAN stop someone when it really sets its mind to it. Last year, or 09, it had no chance.
Yet for some reason, if we were talking about the Oakland Raiders playing their 3rd string Center, 3rd string Running back, backup L Guard, backup safety, backup DT, and on and on, you’d expect that team to lose. Give it time guys, be patient. You didn’t really think they were going to win the SuperBowl this year did you?
October 24th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
Thomas- “anyone with a brain” . Hmm, dangerous grind for you to choose to stand on! You’ve been wrong Far more than right on these post.
Undisciplined, inconsistent,Dumb mistakes. This isn’t a sign of bad coaching, it’s a sign of a really young team.The Youngest in the league. Again- missing off season coaching has badly hurt our young team’s progress. But we still have a winning record- despite youthful mistakes and inconsistencies.
Winning despite all that, is the sign of excellent coaching.
The exceptions to my patience is the O-line and Talib! The O-line has played great recently, but really struggled a bit yesterday. Not a major concern, they had some serious personnel swapping going on.
Talib is a very average CB, who’s immaturity and stupidity far outweigh his value. He is not playing the top Wrs, and is still getting Ate alive every game. We should have made a move this offseason. I know we will this year.
We are 4-3. We have beaten the Falcons and the Saints. We are a good, but inconsistent team. I still believe, despite all the injuries, that we would have pulled off another last drive win yesterday, if Talib hadn’t screwed up again.
Last week, everyone was saying we were gonna win the division. Now, everyone wants to fire everyone on the team. Over a 6 point loss. After we loss 6 starters.
Come on guys, grow up a little bit. Even babies can maintain emotional stability better than that! It’s nauseating! Man up, if you can!
October 24th, 2011 at 5:17 pm
@Mauha,
It’s not a rule I remember ever having changed, so I’ll say it’s been that way forever. That’s probably wrong, though.
I think it’s just easy not to notice how this rule works while watching a game because you don’t really pay attention to the clock until the very end.
There’s a (too-brief) summary of clock rules at http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/timing
October 24th, 2011 at 5:48 pm
For those that still don’t get it…..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmaB5-Ab1yg
October 24th, 2011 at 7:39 pm
Niko:
Normally I would agree with you but look at our last 3 games.
Embarrassed 48-3. Beat a good Saints team, played well. Lost to a very average Bears team that had been struggling terribly on offense after spotting them a 16 point lead early.
Any roller-coaster of analysis is related solely to how inconsistent this team plays. Remember they pulled the Vikings game out late, and were down for a long time to a winless, terrible and decimated Colts team at home on a Monday night. Of their 7 games, I would say that they have only played well in 2.
If they come out and lose to the Saints at 4-4, with the easiest part of their schedule in the rearview mirror, 7-9 is a distinct possibility.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:11 pm
Mauha Deeb is an idiot.
October 25th, 2011 at 7:40 am
Thomas- inconsist is the trademark of young players! When you rebuild thru the draft- as management has chosen to do- then you get young players making youthful errors. Everyone here knows that, you must not have gotten the memo! And NO TEAM IN THE NFL could have played well with all the injuries we had Sunday- NO ONE! It’s a real glimpse into how good of a coach Raheem is, that we were still is a position to win the game, until Talib decided to blow it for us( as if his coverage skills this year aren’t sabotage enough!).
The problem is that the lockout has hurt this Young team. I don’t think we can do anything about it, until this offseason. The problems aren’t in coaching, they are in execution.we didn’t have these issues last year. Nor were Penalties a constant headache. These are the growing pains of youth.
And we still haven’t filled out this team. OLB is such a glaring weakness, that the draft anaylist at “Walterfoot” said any OLB drafted in the 4th round or higher, could walk in and be an immediate upgrade. Ouch!
And while Tanard breathed some new life into the secondary- it’s become obvious to most fans that Neither Talib or Biggers is a Number one CB. Not even close. Also a little depth at RB seems like a good idea, seeing how we’re screwed now.
But all in all, we are still progressing. Undefeated in our division is the best sign so far. I said 9-7 before the season. Still think that’s close to right. You can’t lose Cadallic, Rudd, and not adress OLB or secondary this year, and not regress- again, biggest factor is No offseason- that’s what killed this year for, IMO.