“Lower Your Shoulder Pads And Run Over Him”
September 13th, 2011
Count former Bucs guard Ian Beckles, co-host of The Ron and Ian Show on WDAE-AM 620, among those who want to see Gerald McCoy talk less and play more.
Today Beckles was set off by McCoy’s quotes typed out by Anwar Richardson of The Tampa Tribune. McCoy offered a detailed take on what went wrong Sunday.
“The one thing I can say is how those guards were sitting,” McCoy said. “As deep as they were sitting, I don’t think that was legal. I really don’t. We said something to the refs. They just let it go. But we said, ‘Hey, we have to play with the conditions we are in and keep playing.’
“They didn’t slide protect like we planned. Everybody was sitting back. They game-planned our speed up front. But with us seeing that, it is a good learning experience. Now we can go work on that.”
Beckles called McCoy’s words excuses. Among other things, he explained to his readers that if a guard decides to gouge a defensive tackle’s eyes out and there’s no whistle, then that’s “legal” and you have to deal with it.
“If a guard is sitting back, the lower your shoulder pads and run over him. Stop talking and make a play,” Beckles said.
For Joe, McCoy’s comments are another illustration of the Bucs getting outcoached Sunday. As for McCoy talking, Joe is entertained by the steady flow of ex-players whose blood pressure rises after learning of McCoy’s quotes du jour.
September 13th, 2011 at 10:19 am
He’s a bust.
September 13th, 2011 at 10:23 am
We are now entering the no spin zone.
I said a month ago that this was a 6-7 win team. Unfortantly it looks like i was correct.
September 13th, 2011 at 10:25 am
Relax people. Did we think we were going 10-6 after week 1 last year?
September 13th, 2011 at 10:41 am
The organization needs to stop protecting its decision to pick this guy #3 overall by not being homest about his play publicly because it is preventing him from accepting that he needs to play much better.
It is clear that Rah and Dom are so defensive about GMC’s lack of productivity that they go out of their way to criticize Okam and Miller when GMC was every bit as bad.
You guys who argue that he was getting penetration are so misguided. Yes GMC has good get-off (partially bc he tries to time the snap count which causes his offsides penalties) but the O-linemen use that against him. GMC always tried to take the easiest pass-rush route, usually outside shoulder, and the offense just schemes to allow him to get upfield and run plays under him. It is so easy.
That is why Beckles says “try a bull-rush for once.” GMC’s game is so simplistic and one-dimensional, he even admitted yesterday that he is not a strength player – well in the NFL if you are one dimensional you get blocked.
Price, Crowder, Bennett and some of Bowers were decent on Sunday. The rest of them were awful.
SGW is correct, Okam needs to be on the field at the nose, I think that GMC and a healthy Price should rotate at UT.
September 13th, 2011 at 10:59 am
The D-line was not the prob on Sunday the play calling of the lions took them out of the game after the pick six. The LB’s and Secondary didn’t cover and didn’t hit. In the quick passing game that the lions started using you have to ear hole a few guys and get them scared to catch the ball on those short routs. Jones and Grimm should have been all over espn for big hits.
September 13th, 2011 at 11:01 am
How come all the talk has been about the D and O-Line and what not… What about the QB he sure didn’t play to his level… he’s also at fault for the offense ineptitude to move the ball during the first half.
C’mon Joe…
September 13th, 2011 at 11:09 am
“But we said, ‘Hey, we have to play with the conditions we are in and keep playing.’”
“They game-planned our speed up front. But with us seeing that, it is a good learning experience. Now we can go work on that.”
The quotes above are exactly what I want my tackles to say. These are young guys. I WANT TO KNOW that Mccoy is learning something each Sunday.
It’s the players who internalize everything who don’t improve.
September 13th, 2011 at 11:31 am
I thought the D-Line played well actually. You cant pressure a QB when he takes 3-5 step drops and releases tto wide open receivers. They actually did well against the run after the first 2 drives.
Problem was the MLB spot. We got killed on 10-15 yard pass plays over the middle…particulalry to Pettigrew. Blown MLB coverage. D-Line was good enough. QB looked like crap for 75% of the game (just like preseason actually) and frankly, the complete abandonement of the run after 5 attempts was VERY Chucky-esque.
What concerns me is that this is a carryover from pre-season.
September 13th, 2011 at 11:44 am
This team has talent. They just don’t have good coaches. Raheem and Olson are outcoached every week.
That’s the reason for all of the 4th quarter comebacks. It’s Freeman trying to make up ground for time lost by horrible gameplans and bad coaching.
September 13th, 2011 at 11:48 am
Im starting to hear excuses not good!
September 13th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
There was some decent play (not great but decent) on defense. The problem was the offense left them out their in the sun to bake.
September 13th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
Dude, I just finished watching the Game Rewind on the NFL Network and I was totally thinking to myself “Those guys seem lined up really far away from the line of scrimmage”. Then I come onto to JBF and read McCoy flat out talking about exactly what I saw. I don’t ever remember an OL playing that far off the line. I mean, the guards and tackles were a good 4-5 steps on some plays.
September 13th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
lol thomas is simply burying himself at this point. McCoy was a monster for 3 quarters in both phases of the game.
September 13th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
All this crap McCoy is getting for his comments is silly. I guess to make the likes of Beckles, Sapp, Culpepper et al happy he should respond to questions with “I’m not good enough yet to actually answer your question in an educated manner so NO COMMENT”. Beckles telling McCoy he’s not good enough to talk is like the pot calling the kettle black.
September 13th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
I tell you what the boat is looking like it has leaks in it and water is slowly coming in. Will it sink or will Raheem fix it because all i am hearing is excuses from coaches and players alike. Sounds like a mentally fragile team. We know the talent is ok but we can’t afford to be beaten in the head. Freeman we need you to establish yourself like Manning and Brady and Brees would to silence the critics. This week is critical because the fans are getting antsy with the Glazers and Dominik not getting help in here.
September 13th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
If he was a “monster” w/out a sack. Wonder what he would be called if he had one
September 13th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
“The one thing I can say is how those guards were sitting,” McCoy said. “As deep as they were sitting, I don’t think that was legal. I really don’t. We said something to the refs. They just let it go. But we said, ‘Hey, we have to play with the conditions we are in and keep playing.’…….
we have to play in theses conditions??????Its called making adjustments, really should’nt be too difficult for a coach/player to realize this. especially at this level.
September 13th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
Ian Beckles has been in the league a long time. What he said makes a lot of sense and appears to be common sense…I agree with him 100%! I congratulate Mr. Beckles for speaking what (I bet) most Buc fans were thinking! Gerald McCoy needs to rip a page from John Hendersons playbook and get slapped real hard in the face by a skinny white guy (like Darek Sharp) before stepping on the field!!! Give the man a DRE (digital rectal exam)…something for pete’s sake!!! Jeeze!
September 13th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
@st augustine tom – What’s your position at WDAE? 🙂
September 13th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
At this point I’m just convinced that McCoy is immature…..I mean how old is he? 23? 24?
I think eventually he’ll get “it.” Just not yet
September 13th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
@buc40 McCoy was a monster in the run game all day and had 3 pressures.
September 13th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
They rag on Ruud till he leaves, and now our linebacker corps are severely lacking.
Now they need a new place to hurl hate to improve their ratings, and unfortunately it’s McCoy’s turn. It’s sad because hes playing well, and speaking candidly. The kid is too honest, and open, so these douchebags attack him because his openness makes him an easy target.
^ this is why I stop listening to 620 around 9am.
September 13th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
“They didn’t slide protect like we planned. Everybody was sitting back. They game-planned our speed up front. But with us seeing that, it is a good learning experience. Now we can go work on that.”
Good Lord, then why did Tampa not adjust, a High School Coach would.
If McCoy admits he has no bull rush, and is not a strength player, WHY did we draft him?
What’s bad is the Lions just showed how to beat us on film. You can BET Minnesota will be watching that tape.
September 13th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
Agree with Mauha here McCoy didn’t get a sack, but his play was solid. Honestly outside of Miller the D line as a whole was solid and held up at the point, Bennett is a liability in the run game though, I have been saying since the Pats game he gets focused on whats in front of him and loses backside contain on a regular basis…Detroit capitolized on that with misdirection stuff.
September 13th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
McCoy didn’t do anyting spectacular. Pressures aren’t sacks or tackles.
He should agree to re-do his contract with the new rookie wage scale, because he hasn’t earned it.
I hope he can get it together and learn to play with some “strength and toughness”
September 13th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
@apple….thats what im thinking as well, so you can bet not only minnesota will be studying that, but every opponent as well. Hope we adjust quickly
September 13th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
Well I’ll be damned.
I thought other teams were only there to run plays and schemes that McCoy & the rest of the Bucs knew how to defend.
Those cheating Lions running different schemes in an attempt to win, how dare they?
September 13th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
@SteveK So, I’m sure you think Asomugha hasn’t earned his contracts either, right?
September 13th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
I’m interested in what McCoy says. Nice to hear him go thru the learning stage
I’m not interested in what that idiot Ian says. He already rallied the uninformed into running off a very good MLB, which will hurt this team all year. I don’t give a damn what other area he wants to infect with his opinion next.
September 13th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
Yo McCoy…For a guy who really hasn’t done anything in the past year…..shut up and play football. You act like you are great but you have done nothing to prove it.
September 13th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
By the way, McCoy had twice as many tackles as your hero, Suh. And the same amount of sacks. Typically, Dts don’t get sacks. That’s what DEs are for. Sapp didn’t start getting sacks until year 3. McCoy hasn’t played a full season yet. So please, know what your talking about, or try to restrain yourselves. McCoy played well Sunday. It’s our LBers that sucked
September 13th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
I like McCoy and I like him talking alot, he is usually entertaining, but this comes across as an excuse, nothing more.
Shut and play more aggressive and physical. GET MEAN
September 13th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
Sooo, this Sunday, McCoy was TWICE the tackle that Suh was. Guess Ian can stick that in his tweeter and post it!
September 13th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
Steve White agrees with McCoy…
@sgw94
Stephen White
I REALLY want to know how the Lions got away with their OLine being illegal pretty much all day though. I mean every play and it was OBVIOUS
5 hours ago via Twitterrific
September 13th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
@captain tim……very fair points you bring up, but sapp had plenty of sacks by the end of his third year….22.5 to be exact.
September 13th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
Buc40- I agree! And most of them came in which year??
That’s right? Year 3, when he got 18.5 of ’em. Hopefully, McCoy will develop as well. But he’s ahead of Sapp’s sack count to this point, so these idiots like Ian Beckles should shut up. 3 years is about when a D-lineman comes into his prime. Talking about his production until then makes people as big of a Horse’s ass as Ian!
September 13th, 2011 at 2:26 pm
Capt Tim, McCoy can talk all he wants when he gets 18 sacks in a season. Until that time, McCoy stop acting like you are hero, legend or god’s gift to tackles. Shut up and play football.
September 13th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
@Captain…No sir you are wrong again!!! where are u getting your stats?..maybe mine are off but doubt it
95- 3 sacks
96- 9 sacks
97- 10.5 sacks
September 13th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
@ Theodore: lol….i wish i worked there! I just listen to the station a lot. steve, ron&ian, justin, darek, and even silio 🙂 wish they’d give TJ reeves more air time. rock riley is really good too on the weekends. thank God for iheart radio…its on my phone so its easy to listen to. not to mention, no matter where your at the reception (signal) is always crystal clear 🙂
September 13th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
@Apple
Most around here have short memories, but when Monte first became our DC, the defense did not adjust well on the fly…especially the line. It took the weakness being capitalized on for the coaches to address it. And it went on for almost a complete season.
As far as GMC being picked…he’ll be fine. He was improving at the end of last year. There was a lockout, so he’s rusty (as are most of the players). AND he’s got a rookie on one side and another rookie on his other side half the time.
One man cannot do it all. When the others start playing better, you’ll see his sacks go up…and his run defense.
And Foster is a rookie…he’ll get it soon as well. I said before the lockout ended that the Bucs needed to keep Ruud because MLB is the second hardest position to learn (the first being QB). It’s going to be 2-3 years before Foster is really getting it.
Until then, expect Morris to limit his responsibilities, just like they did with Freeman. Remember, in his rookie year, Faine was calling the adjustments. Last year, Freeman was.
They’ll probably have Foster focus on watching the offenses and making plays when he can…sort of like a QB spy. It will help him learn faster and recognize things sooner.
September 13th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
Too back up my Monte point…think back to the Vikings with Culpepper. Remember how he use to run on us and gain tons of yards? The Bucs just could not tackle him. They had problems covering Favre as well.
September 13th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
Buc40- I mistyped . Should be “year 2 and 3,”
Then he had 19.5 by 3rd year. McCoy is still in year one, not having played a complete season yet. My point stands. Dapp didn’t start to produce sacks until his second year. I think McCoy will do similar. And what do you mean again?
September 13th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
And by the way, as nice as it is to have a personal editor, did you get the point of McCoy outplaying Suh Sunday? My forgetting to type a”2and” not nearly as impotent to the comments as the point that their Suh comparisons are overblown.
September 13th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
@Mauha Deeb – I just finished watching the game as well…Wow, I’ve never seen that allowed. I hate the “make excuses” mentality, but that’s a fact and someone needs to say something about it. Isn’t that illegal? I remember us getting penalized in the preseason for that and it wasn’t near that drastic. They didn’t even look part of the offensive line.
And clearly Thomas has no clue what he’s talking about…just let him talk if it’s the only thing that makes him happy. McCoy played very well.
Some people either don’t watch the games, don’t understand football, or need to re-watch the games…it’s ridiculous what is said on here sometimes. It seems like there’s too many cases of personal biases and vendettas to even see the truth or fact if they wanted to.
Capt.Tim – Good points sir!
And to all those people who were hating on Talib yesterday, re-watch the game. Exclude the blown coverage by Sean Jones and the perfectly thrown ball from Stafford to the Giant, and considering the fact that this was Talib’s first game since since week 12 last year, he played darn good. And he’s only going to get stronger and in better game shape from here on out.
Almost half of Johnson’s catches, excluding the two plays mentioned above, the Bucs were in some type of zone coverage, and Johnson wasn’t even in Talib’s zone at the time he made the catches. Talib had either passed him off to another zone or Johnson didn’t even run to his zone to make those catches. Talib faired very well. I question more why we didn’t just have Talib blanket Johnson the whole time. The two reasons are probably the obvious; Talib was tired and not in game shape (via missing so much time and not playing in an actual game for a while) to run with Johnson the whole day, so we put Talib in zone coverage to give him a break, or like any defense should do, we mixed up our looks to not become predictable and hide some of our other weaknesses on the day. Talib was not the weakness though, I assure you. He may not have played his best game, but he was not terrible by any means.
September 13th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
yeah Ian Beckles play was a joke remember watching him and thinking how did he ever make this roster, Ian needs to shut his mouth and jam some more food in it.
September 13th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
Capt Tim – You’re playing with stats that don’t correlate well. Players on crappy defenses will always have more tackles. Think about it. Not saying GMC is crappy, but comparing tackle totals doesn’t work when one team gets 3 and outs and the other team gets ran over.
September 13th, 2011 at 4:48 pm
Why is McCoy complaining about the guards sitting back when I saw him get spun around and pancaked on back to back plays in the 2nd half? Do you want the refs to throw a flag because their line is too far back AND too physical McCoy? Shut up and make a play…I agree completely.
September 13th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
@Four Finger You saw it too, right!? They were 2 1/2 yards from the line of scrimmage at times! Craziness.
September 13th, 2011 at 5:15 pm
With them 2 1/2 yards back, they have a little more time to find out what their guy on defense is doing and to adjust. The advantage goes to the offense in such situations. A, OT has more time to build up his power to plow.
The rules are there for a reason. They prevent one team from having an unfair advantage.
The irony? The Bucs were called on an illegal formation because they were too far back in the preseason.
Double standards by the refs.
September 13th, 2011 at 5:43 pm
Mauha Deeb Says:
September 13th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
“@SteveK So, I’m sure you think Asomugha hasn’t earned his contracts either, right?”
Different positions, and I would argue that Aso has earned his payday as this is his 2nd contract and notoriously teams don’t throw on his side of the field. He gets his pay day by shutting down one side of the field, where as McCoy is paid to supply pressure and
September 13th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
For McCoy, I like the guy and hope he turns out well, but $50 million in guaranteed money should go to those that perform!
Look at DeSean Jackson, that guy is making 600K this year….. ridiculous.
September 13th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
McCoy looked great on Sunday. Nobody is going to get sacks on 2 and 3 step qb drops. He needs to learn not to jump off sides and fall for qb cadence hard counts.
September 13th, 2011 at 8:07 pm
@SteveK – Be upset with the old rookie wage scale, not an improving McCoy who has shown signs of causing disruption and getting into the backfield. Even the great DT’s (specifically the 3-technique) will tell you, their number one job is not to get sacks, but to cause disruption in the backfield and make the QB uncomfortable and to move around in the picket instead of just standing there.
It’s not always about numbers with those guys in the center, even though you would of course like to see them.
September 14th, 2011 at 12:04 am
I hope McCoy really comes on and makes me wrong. I did not want Tampa to pick him, once Suh was gone. We could have traded down, then taken the USF Defensive End Pierrre Paul, or maybe a stud O Lineman like Nate Solder.
God, I remember this post.
Apr 14, 2010 11:01 AM
If Suh isn’t there they really need to go for Okung. Penn will be in Tampa for at least one more season and either he or Okung would be a huge upgrade over Trueblood on the right side, plus Okung MIGHT be an elite LT someday. Penn is really good… perhaps they draft Okung and Penn becomes expendable (as opposed to his sickening weight gain which has made him expandable).
I’m usually right on with DTs and the draft, and I don’t see McCoy dominating the NFL at any point of his career. His athleticism is good, not great, his work ethic is average, I just don’t see the value at #3 in his case. If Suh falls, fine, otherwise take Okung or trade-down. I hear the Jets want to “tard up”. Perhaps they want to move up to take Dez “The Tard Prince” Bryant.
September 14th, 2011 at 7:59 am
Mcoy had two times the amount of tackles tim, but suh had two times the amount of offensive line blocking him. in half the amount of plays. One was gameplanned for, the other was single teamed.
September 14th, 2011 at 8:12 am
I like Price’s strategy to beat the gaurd’s ” laying back ” – Roll over and like a fat dying turtle and grab your hamstring.
Mccoy has a lot to learn !
September 14th, 2011 at 11:19 am
Jarrett- nope embarrassingly wrong. Suh is On a line of great Defensive players. The lions signed great FREe AGENTS to compliment Suh. McCoy is far and away our best lineman right now. He saw nothing but double teams.
Blubber- you sir, are an ignorant Pr*^k. We have all seen your stupid comments. We have all acknowledged that you are an ignorant Pr*^k. You mission here is accomplished. You may return to your normal agenda. Which hopefully involves a trip to the jumper station on the Skyway.